No, no one enjoys criticizing anyone. I will admit that I suggested changing the forum to reply to forum because every other one I have seen is set that way and I didn't understand why this one was different. So we had a poll and it was voted to change it. Some were unhappy with it so we had another poll and still the majority want it set to reply to the forum but still there is a majority of people that just keep complaining so all I was saying was I give up and will change my vote if it will allow us to get back to the business of Ercoupes. Is that to much to ask? Now, should I have sent this to the group or the sender, I don't know, I so confused... I think I will go check in on the Bellanca forum or the Navion forum or maybe just go to bed.
Kevin1 --- In [email protected], "ercou...@..." <ercou...@...> wrote: > > > It is clear that some enjoy criticizing folks that respond to a poll and then > want to call a valid response fighting or whining. They might enjoy the > value of knowing what the purpose of a poll, rather than reflecting discredit > when someone responds in a way that differs with some opinions. Course some > folks don't want anyone to have a different opinion than theirs. > Lee > > > I agree, I use the web interface and it is better with the reply to forum. > The poll clearly show the majority like it going to the forum but as most > often now a days we conform to the lowest common denominator or to the ones > that whine the most so change it back so we can move on. I have to support > users with IT problems at work and I'm not going to do it here. I'm sorry I > ever brought it up and I am sure most people would rather get Hartmuts's post > than mine anyway. > > Kevin1 > > --- In [email protected], "bigbrownpilot@" <bigbrownpilot@> wrote: > > > > OK, I understand now. It seems as if the folks who use an e-mail client to > > read messages on the three Ercoupe sites are the ones most adversely > > affected by the change. I would rather just surf the Yahoo message board > > than use e-mail because I already get too much in my Inbox and that way I > > can scan messages until I find the information I want. But once I figured > > out how the pull-down menu worked, I had no problem with the old set-up as > > long as I remembered to select whether I was replying to the individual who > > posted or the entire group. Sometimes I had a misfire and had to re-post, > > but generally no big deal. > > > > Personally, I would prefer a PhpBB-type forum (like the many car forums > > I've belonged to over the years) to the Yahoo group, but hosting costs > > money if you don't have sponsorship and the additional overhead for the > > administrator/moderator is more demanding than a Yahoo site. > > > > If it helps those using e-mail, I'd say let's go back to the old way. This > > is not worth arguing about-- we're supposed to be talking about flying and > > fixing Er coupes here! > > > > > > Best, > > Dave > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Hartmut Beil <hbeil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > I am using my email client that collaborates all of my e-mail accounts. > > > > > > I can't afford missing E-mails, so this is the solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > My Email client does not display the email address of the sender in full > > > length. It just shows Dave in your case. > > > > > > When I copy and paste Dave the email address is not valid and e-mail is > > > not sent. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can hack myself the email address out of the message, but that is a > > > multiple step procedure that takes longer than writing a message. > > > > > > > > > > > > In essence , I am answering less often, since it is a hassle now for me. > > > I think that questions should go to everyone on the Forum, but answers > > > may or may not. > > > > > > There are many questions that I see taken care of by others, especially > > > when they are common requests, then I am not interested to read through > > > the long tail, that is repeating itself every few month. > > > > > > > > > > > > However. I am not here to lecture someone, nor to press him/her into my > > > mold. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just pointing out that the e-mail list now becomes less convenient > > > for me and I am having to climb through rings of fire to just give > > > someone a personal lengthily message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > From: bigbrownpilot@ > > > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:02:13 +0000 > > > Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Re: New poll for ercoupe-tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut, > > > > > > It shows up on the Yahoo Groups Ercoupe Tech web page (actually on all > > > the pages Ed moderates) in the To: block when you go to Post Message. The > > > default is now ercoupe-tech@ The next selection is the e-mail address of > > > the individual to whom you are replying, and the third is > > > [email protected], which goes to Ed. I'm using IE 8.0 to > > > view the message board. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > Dave > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Hartmut Beil <hbeil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > I don't have such pulldown. Can you name the software that is having > > > > that feature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > From: bigbrownpilot@ > > > > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:26:59 +0000 > > > > Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Re: New poll for ercoupe-tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut, > > > > > > > > I don't think Ed is talking about removing the option to reply directly > > > > to an individual. It's just a matter of what the default is in the TO: > > > > pull-down menu. Either way, misfires are bound to occur until everyone > > > > gets used to it. We all just have to pay attention to what we have > > > > selected in the pull-down. Personally, I would like to add a fourth > > > > option that would allow me to reply to the message board and e-mail the > > > > individual, but that would probably only confuse the issue even more. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Hartmut Beil <hbeil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee, all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing that any reply will send a message to the group as a whole > > > > > reduces my willingness to answer . > > > > > > > > > > I am differentiating between a personal advice and information for > > > > > general use. (That is burned onto public servers forever) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With removing the option of having a choice to whom reply, I am > > > > > hesitating to give answers on a personal level - it is a hassle to > > > > > get the personal e-mail address filtered out. > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the discussions that are held on a forced public > > > > > level become more shallow, less technical and the forum IMO shifted > > > > > toward a gray field of mediocrity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I usually found not one day go by without finding a reason to answer. > > > > > Now I am watching the discussions for days and find no reason to add > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think any type of restriction in this forum creates a new climate > > > > > and a new quality of discussions. > > > > > > > > > > If the forum decides this is the way to go I will be the last one to > > > > > stop anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a free thinking person, I like options and choice. Any type of > > > > > restriction I realize to be a censorship. But I can live with that - > > > > > I am used to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > From: ercouper@ > > > > > Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:22:23 +0000 > > > > > Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] New poll for ercoupe-tech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon wrote," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I VOTED FOR REPLY TO FORUM, BECAUSE i HAVE LEARNED MUCH FROM THE > > > > > ANSWERS GIVEN THAT i WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN OTHER WISE. > > > > > > > > > > Most emails provide the option of responding to the sender or > > > > > everyone. With the change, the only way to respond to only the sender > > > > > is to copy his email address then initiate a new email, paste the > > > > > senders email, enter a subject, then type your email. 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