On Dec 8, 2007 6:28 AM, Simon Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 7, 2007 8:13 PM, maddiin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I took the erlang-logo as an inspiration, thats where the red color
> > scheme came from and why the logo was lowercase, to match the "e" of
> > the logo. I agree the contrast was a bit too heavy, here is the second
> > shot on the layout, a blueish one: 
> > http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6808/erlywebbluedj5.png
>
> Very nice layout and I like the blue colour scheme. I could be happy
> with other low-contrast colour schemes as well, I'm quite partial to
> green, but the blue is nice.

Thanks again, this is a nice improvement. The main suggestion I have
is to put the ErlyWeb logo in the top left.

>
> > I hope you like this one better, else I would need some examples of
> > layouts you like to get the idea.
>
> This layout is fine by me.

The layout looks good. I may want to tweak the final design but
overall it looks nice. By the way, in case it wasn't obvious, if I use
this design there will be a link at the bottom to the designer's site.

>
> > The order of the content can of course be changed to what you
> > suggested, I just copied the content for a first reference, also the
> > headline is just a placeholder because the slogan is in the logo, so
> > what you see is not what you get in the end. q:]
>
> I like the sequence. When visiting the home page of a project, I
> expect to have the project described and the reasons why I'd want to
> use it right there front and centre on the home page. This layout does
> just exactly that.

I think this kind of layout targets newcomers but is rather static for
repeat visitors. The Django site does a pretty good job at balancing
out the new and static content I think, but it may be a bit too busy.

>
> *snip*
> > Regarding the documentation, I follow Simon“s opinion. There should be
> > documentation from the start off, how to build a page from scratch
> > with all necessary stuff like the installation, setting up
> > controllers, views, templates (best way for structuring and reusing
> > parts of a layout, e.g. header, main-content, sidebar, footer), urls
> > configuration, syndication and what not. So beginners can start
> > reading in the morning and have a basic app with essentials running
> > some hours later. The magic stuff from the musician example is nice,
> > but its not helpful to get the idea how erlyweb really works and
> > should be used and no one would be running a website this way, at
> > least i wont.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Permit me to give you my story. I have been following the Erlang list
> for years and have been trying to find time to work through
> Programming Erlang since I started receiving the beta copies as PDFs.
> I was aware of erlyweb (ErlyWeb?) from the start and tried it back in
> the 0.2 days, but was unable to get it to install properly. I asked
> for help on the list, but while I did get answers, they didn't seem to
> help me.
>
> I am busy to the max with work and also pastor in my "spare time", so
> I need very straight-forward, almost boringly and insultingly,
> straight-forward set of directions or tutorials. I would even be happy
> to beta test any tutorials that others write or, if you could put up
> with my stupid questions on the list, I could try writing something
> myself by just diving in and trying to get going and screaming for
> help every time I get stuck.
>
> While my exact circumstances are perhaps unusual, I strongly suspect
> that my needs in the documentation area are very typical. It might be
> worth noting that while this list is as friendly as you could wish it
> to be (thanks for that folks) the secret of the success of languages
> like Perl and Ruby are often noted to be the extreme lengths that
> folks will go to to help the newbies. Some really good newbie
> documentation would take great strides towards making erlyweb/ErlyWeb
> a beginner friendly framework.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Simon

Thanks for the suggestions. I agree that beginner documentation is
very important. I have meant to do it for a while but I've been short
on time and haven't been able to get to it (I admit I was also
secretly hoping someone else would do it  :) ).

Are there any volunteers that may want to write the ErlyWeb for
beginners tutorial?

Thanks,
Yariv

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