On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:37 PM, David Herman <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Dean Landolt wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM, David Herman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This argument seems to over-reach. C and C++ use -> for pointer
>> indirection. Perl uses -> for method calls.
>>
>
> This is precisely why it can't really be overloaded any further.
>
>
> It's not "overloading" when different languages use a symbol for different
> purposes. They're different languages-- they are by definition different
> notational systems! There's not some global registry of ASCII art where
> each language stakes a permanent claim to a universal meaning for a given
> symbol.
>
> There's tons of precedent for -> to be visually interpreted as an arrow
> and for arrows to be used for different purposes. That there is variety
> across languages is evidence of the *flexibility* of the symbol, not of its
> being closed off to repurposing.
>
> Does it *have* to be ascii? The growlix space of unicode is vast:
> https://plus.google.com/109925364564856140495/posts
>
> Reaching into the depths of unicode was roundly panned during the function
> shorthand debates but Allen's reach for ◁ is compelling -- is it really
> so bad to just go all in for it?
>
>
> Yes. There are so many points in the pipeline, from programmer to server
> to router to browser, where encoding bugs can crop up. And anyway the point
> is *not* to make it look like an exotic alien glyph in the middle of a
> program. :)
>
> FWIW I personally think <| is just fine :)
>
>
> All I can say is it looks terrible. I don't have any way to quantify that,
> of course.
>

I will gladly do a survey of the web development community to satisfy any
requests for qualification. I also think it looks terrible - because it
does. The concept is tremendously awesome, the representation is
unfortunate.

Rick



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