On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Michał Wadas <michalwa...@gmail.com
<mailto:michalwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I disagree.
PHP have WeakReferences, OGG manipulation, MPEG manipulation, builtin
support for Kerberos, Bzip2 bindings, Zlib bindings, configurable
random number generation, OpenSSL bindings, simple hashing, drivers
for databases, ImageMagick bindings, arbitrary precision math,
statistics support, GPG support, PostScript support, Judy Arrays,
neural networks, Lua integration, FTP support, XML support, 9 data
structures, recursive iterators with well defined interfaces etc.
All of them are missing in JavaScript. PHP have extremely bloated
standard library - and JS have very minimal one.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 4:32 AM, kai zhu <kaizhu...@gmail.com
<mailto:kaizhu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
my thoughts are the opposite. javascript (similar to perl and
php) already has a huge number of specialized builtin functions
and methods accumulated over its 20+ year evolution that pretty
much solves every practical problem encountered in frontend
programming (and effectively backend as well). the problem is a
failure to educate new programmers on how to use existing
builtins to elegantly solve everyday problems, instead of having
them ignorantly reinvent things on their own.
the mindset to writing javascript programs is more akin to
writing perl programs, e.g. "how do i leverage builtins to
implement the requested one-off UX feature using elegant
perl-like one-liners", instead of "how do i create extra
abstractions, classes, and modules to implement this one-off UX
feature".
My thoughts: big source of JavaScript criticism is its small
standard library and community attempts to solve that issue -
hundreds of small modules. Significant part of lodash should be
present in standard library.
My lodash selection - chunk, dropWhile, first, last, flatten,
fromPairs, pull, without, takeWhile, zip, flatMap, keyBy,
property, groupBy, partition, sample, shuffle, sortBy, ary,
memoize, once, operators as functions, clamp, inRange, get,
mapKeys, mapValues, pickBy, many strings operations, attempt,
constant, flow, noop, range.
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, T.J. Crowder
<tj.crow...@farsightsoftware.com
<mailto:tj.crow...@farsightsoftware.com>> wrote:
I'd find it helpful to have:
1. A general steer from TC39 as to whether the committee are
committed
to a robust, feature-rich standard library, or a minimal one
(with the
expectation of a rich ecosystem of libraries, presumably).
2. Guidelines of what to consider when proposing standard
library features.
The latter can come from the community; the former needs to
come from TC39.
We see a fair number of simple lib function proposals on the
list, it
would be useful to have some guidelines for what's worth properly
proposing and what's likely to be a non-starter.
Naveen Chawla's [recent suggestion][1] is a good case in point: A
standard lib function for taking an array (ideally, an
iterable) and
creating an object with properties referencing the elements
by one of
their property's values. (One could easily argue for a Set
version as
well.) Ignoring the details of his suggestion, this is a simple
operation that I've needed in every codebase I've ever worked
on. I
haven't proposed it (having considered doing so repeatedly)
because my
perception had been that TC39 wants to keep the standard lib
small.
But with the additions in 2015, 2016, and 2017, is that
simply not the
case (anymore)?
Apologies if either (1) or (2) already exist and I've
overlooked them.
-- T.J. Crowder
[1]:
https://esdiscuss.org/topic/array-prototype-toobjectbyproperty-element-element-property
<https://esdiscuss.org/topic/array-prototype-toobjectbyproperty-element-element-property>
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