Quoting Damien Pollet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 3/4/06, Sašo Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wow o_O, unbelievable what ammounts of stored frustration can be set free
> by a
> > few 21 point long, 1 point wide lines, with either 1.0 or 0.67 gray, and
> 0.5
> > alpha :-D
>
> reminds me that one-pixel bug in the corners of the selection
> rectangle in OS X's Finder  :D

Huh? What bug? Could you please explain that? So I make sure it's fixed in the
Etoile menubar system.

> Granted, the dimmed versions are not so disturbing... But IMHO it's
> very important that the separators don't replace proper spacing
> (because the spacing is more robust to bad visual conditions)

Sure, spacing is important, but the dimmed separators are a visual aid, simmilar
to how serifs on fonts in books help lead the eye on the line - they aren't
really that annoying, but they help a little to keep your eyes from strain.

> > The reason why I like the menu item separators is to make it more easy for
> a
> > user to find menu item borders
>
> Yes, but why do you need to know where that border is so precisely ?

> --
>  Damien
>  type less, do more

I don't know, it simply helps me get a better image of the menu with a single
quicky glance, where the menu items are, where their activate areas are, etc.
Imagine you had a button on the interface without borders. You'd still know
it's a button, so if you directly clicked it's title it would behave as
expected. The border, however, adds you safety, tells you how far you can go,
and I'm the kind of person who likes to know where the limits are.

Anyways, I'd like to ask everybody participating in the pro/contra menu item
separators discussion, to first really try using the thing as it is now for
about a day or two (in the entire environment, not just one test app) in order
to get a real impression, and *then* start generating opinions. Honestly, how
accurate do you think the opinion of somebody who has seen a screenshot or two
and is used to seeing OSX style menus, will be?

--
Saso


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