On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 11:50  AM, justin bengtson wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-01-09 at 11:26, Jim Beard wrote:
>> I think it's pretty much the same, /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin,
>> /var, /etc are all still there etc.  One thing that can make the
>> directory structure tricky is using the fink project.  It recommends
>> (and I like) using it's own directory tree, so it has you create a /sw
>> directory and fink treats that as the root directory.  So you can end 
>> up
>> having apps in /bin, /usr/bin, /sw/bin, /sw/usr/bin...  I can 
>> understand
>> how some people might not dig that idea, but I like having it separate
>> incase something goes wrong I won't blow up my whole distro.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> so /sw would basically be the same as /opt?

I believe so, it's just a second tree for binaries and libs and man 
pages.

> i may have been mislead (?mislead myself?) when i was looking around.  a
> lot of the files/directories (can't tell w/o color...) looked just like
> the old mac stuff i'm used to.

  Now that I think about it, apple does package some of there software in 
non-standard directories.  Mainly to allow for mac folk who don't know 
unix to be comfortable, but only mac software will use this structure, 
and most all mac packages are super self contained, so you don't have to 
worry about library dependencies etc..

To be honest I only use a few mac apps, ie, iMail, iTunes...  I do all 
my development with unix tools.

> OS X was pretty kewl during the three minutes or so that i played with
> it.  just wondering :
>
> can you move the wharf around?

You can choose the bottom or the sides.

> can you make the wharf icons stay the same size?

Yeah, you have a lot of control over the behavior of the dock.  I think 
its pretty cool when they magnify tho :)  I also make mine hide when I'm 
not near it.

> last i heard, jobs came down pretty hard on the people trying to make a
> theming app for aqua.  has he backed down?

There is a xwindows manager called OroborOSX that is just trying to copy 
all of aqua's look and feel.  I haven't heard anything about jobs 
frowning on it.  I know it's pretty popular.  I used it a bit, the only 
thing that made it that different from Aqua was that it didn't take 
advantage of alpha blending like Aqua does.  Lately I've been playing 
around with different *nix windows managers.  I just tried AfterStep a 
little bit, it was kinda cool :)

> is OS X what became of (that super-interoperability platform that starts
> with an "r", running on the machUnix kernel that i was really into a
> couple of years ago but surprisingly can't remember the name...)?

Humm...  It is heavily influenced by some of the NeXT operating 
systems.  It's system (as I understand it) is basically a merging of 
mach and Free/Net BSDs.  The biggest difference that I've heard rumor of 
is the way that they are handling their shared libraries.  Basically it 
seems like they haven't yet decided how to handle them, and so sometimes 
you find them here, some times there...

I used macs back when I was in high school, but I haven't even really 
touched one since mac os 7.2 or so.  But os X has converted me back.

Jim

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