>From euglug.org:
 The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group (EUGLUG) is a volunteer group
 whose goal is to promote and exchange information about Linux, Unix and
 Open Source Software in Eugene, Oregon and surrounding cities.

And /about.phtml:
Why we are here
  The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group was formed to learn more
  about the Linux and Unix operating systems, to help others use and
  learn Linux/Unix, to advocate the use of Linux/Unix, and to share
  ideas about Linux/Unix and open source software. 

I don't see anything in there about wiping out microsoft, bringing
greedy corps to their knees, revitalizing democracy or ending world
hunger.  Perhaps the activism list is the right one for you, but this
list is about the things stated above.  Remember that www.euglug.org is
the first thing people see when they find the group.  This mailing list
is posted there, right on the front page.  Please keep that in mind when
posting.

You question may not be off topic for you, but it is for the list, and
certainly the front page of our website.

You are right, the majority of oss people just want to play with their
toys.  In fact many of them make the toys.  Surprisingly it happens that
those toys are actually quite sophisticated tools that do really cool
things when applied to business.  For instance a group of hackers making
an NT emulator.  Now thousands of companies use Samba.  One of my
favorite toys is perl.  I've used it to make some file and log auditing
tools for myself and others in my company.

There is room in the free software movement for non-technical leaders
and innovators.  People who want to take the movement to new hights by
working with people.  However these people are not complainers, they are
doers. Such great men are indeed few and far between, in any field.  Not
We, Dexter, but You.  Are you looking for that ideal leader to follow or
are you him?  You'll never find the right movement if you find fault
with it.  You'll always find the right one if you make it with your
ideals.

Cory


On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 05:58:26PM -0800, Dexter Graphic wrote:
> > >  Is this off-topic or what?
> > Yup. 
> 
> For me it's not off topic at all. I was attracted to the free software 
> movement because it seemed to consist of visionary radicals who were 
> dedicated to changing the world for the better through technological
> openness and information sharing. However, what I'm realizing is that 
> few people take these ideas seriously and most just want to play with
> their geek toys, show off how clever they are, be anarchistic, and get 
> high. The idealism and drive to accomplish something worthwhile seems
> to be completely missing, and I wonder if this comes from smoking the 
> marijuana. This hedonistic self-indulgence while the rest of humanity
> suffers and dies is despicable; we have the power to make a difference 
> but we are doing nothing, or barely anything. I want to be part of an
> IT revolution that wipes out Microsoft, brings greedy corporations to 
> their knees, reforms corrupt governments, and revitalizes democracy
> around the globe. I am beginning to think I'm in the wrong movement.
> 
> Dexter Graphic
> 
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