Bob Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>Bob Crandell wrote:
>
>> I'm not for Screw The Establishment(TM).  I am against government
>> involvement, of any kind.
>
>The problem is that today, there is no penalty for spamming.  If you
>successfully block one kind of spam, the spammer is free to try again
>to find a way around your block.  That's fine for the spammer -- he's
>providing value for his customers with ever-harder-to-block messages.
>But it's not fine for you -- you waste a lot of time trying to block
>spam, your daughter wants to enlarge her penis, you can't find your
>legitimate email under the mountain of scams, and your ISP is
>struggling to provide bandwidth to handle all that spam.
>
>I have a friend who runs an ISP (other than EFN).  He says 60% of his
>total bandwidth is spam.  I don't doubt it.
>
>The problem isn't going to go away on its own.  The volume of spam is
>increasing fast.  The cost of spam is 99.9% borne by the recipient and
>his ISP.  There's a tremendous demand, from both legitimate businesses
>and scam artists, for unlimited free advertising, no matter how low
>the sell-through rate is.  There is no limit on how much spam we'll
>eventually see, unless we change the system somehow.
>
>But if there were a way to punish spammers, so that once they're
>caught sending spam they get hurt, the volume of spam would go down.
>Just like the volume of junk FAXes went down once there was a law that
>fined the sender.
>
>Punishment either comes from the government or from vigilantes.  If
>you're so strongly opposed to any kind of government that you prefer
>vigilante justice, then we can agree to disagree.  If you're saying
>that spam isn't a problem, or that it's a problem we can live with, or
>that there's a technical solution, then we have to keep arguing.
>
>IAAMOAC.
>
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I don't really want to argue about it.  Stopping SPAM has been argued alot.  My
thought is that SPAMers are using technology to create a problem therefore we should
use technology to frustrate their efforts.  No technology and no government
oppression is going to stop SPAM just like it didn't stop junk FAX.

Even though I said that government involvement is worse than SPAM, that doesn't mean
SPAM is good.  The "Don't even think about it" list should contain:
Government Involvement
SPAM
Vigilante Justice

Fighting fire with fire is good.  Using one wrong to battle another wrong isn't.

See you.

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