OK, so I realize that the Microsoft brainwashing machine has been hard at work, but this is truncating the history file more than a little.
Only the oldest professional group devoted to unix...
Around since the 1970's and still kicking.
Even though I might agree with you on the pointlessness of professional certification
(to get the fullest of rants on the topic of the Evils of Professional Certification
ask a feminist herbalist to tell you about the AMA)
On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 01:13 AM, E wrote:
This is a Signature: Someday soon it will have clever sayings and URL's
On the subject of certification, I think it is important to point
out that virtually no high level tech jobs(non ms) have as a requirement
any sort of name brand certification, nor do they necessarily play
any part in acquiring such a postition. Most certifications do not
have at their core a very specific technical skill, one that is valuable
or difficult to acquire. It's very easy to get these certifications, like
(pardon me for saying this) english degrees. (all of my friends with
english degrees that are unemployed are cursing me now). I think I would
respect these certifications more if they were more difficult to obtain,
but as it is they seem something you mention at the end of your resume,
next to where you mention that you got your Eagle badge.
If the people doing the hiring for a good job are worth their paychecks,
they are going to scrutinize you to find out what it is that you know
how to do. They should be able to seperate those talking out their ass
about thus and so, and those that actually know something and can explain
"given this situation, how would you do this" etc.
Personally, I'm skeptical of this SAGE Guild. Firstly, I've never heard
of it. Secondly, I'm increasingly skeptical of people charging this kind
of
money for something that isn't going to have any direct bearing on my
professional life, and indeed will probably just be a nice mental
exercise and decrease in my checking account. It's interesing to look at
the listing for this group's "board" and see NO bio, work experience,
skillset list (or anything) for any of it's members.I've never heard of
any
of them either. I'd think 2 or 3 times before sending these people money,
and I'd hope you would too. I consider myself to have a clue btw ;)
All this said, I'm glad to hear that LCC will be offering classes related to linux, cert or no cert.
Ed
--- Larry Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Beaker wrote:
Also, I think a big part of Linux/Open Source's attraction is
tinkering with things and figuring it out on ones own or amongst ones
peers. IMHO its still a geek thing and that kinda works against those
wanting to create profitable multi-tiered learning programs like all those "Certified M$ Cubicle Monkey" classes one sees at nearly every community college in this country. Of course if businesses suddenly decided to adopt Linux and/or Open Office in large numbers...
Actually there are certifications out there that do mean something; for instance the sage certification ( http://sage.org ) would probably make a difference if the choice were between two equally experienced people and the person making the choice were clueful...
Unfortunately there is no perfect measuring stick for ability only more
or less functional indicators.
And clueful hiring committees are almost an oxymoron.
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