I didn't know this was a flamewar. I've heard of USENIX, and not SAGE. My email states the latter quite clearly.
No flames here, just opinions, albeit contrary ones. Ed --- Larry Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've never heard of USENIX ?? > > OK, so I realize that the Microsoft brainwashing machine has been hard > at work, but this is truncating the history file more than a little. > > Only the oldest professional group devoted to unix... > > Around since the 1970's and still kicking. > > > > Even though I might agree with you on the pointlessness of professional > certification > (to get the fullest of rants on the topic of the Evils of Professional > Certification > ask a feminist herbalist to tell you about the AMA) > > > On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 01:13 AM, E wrote: > > > > > On the subject of certification, I think it is important to point > > out that virtually no high level tech jobs(non ms) have as a > > requirement > > any sort of name brand certification, nor do they necessarily play > > any part in acquiring such a postition. Most certifications do not > > have at their core a very specific technical skill, one that is > > valuable > > or difficult to acquire. It's very easy to get these certifications, > > like > > (pardon me for saying this) english degrees. (all of my friends with > > english degrees that are unemployed are cursing me now). I think I > > would > > respect these certifications more if they were more difficult to > > obtain, > > but as it is they seem something you mention at the end of your > resume, > > next to where you mention that you got your Eagle badge. > > > > If the people doing the hiring for a good job are worth their > > paychecks, > > they are going to scrutinize you to find out what it is that you know > > how to do. They should be able to seperate those talking out their ass > > about thus and so, and those that actually know something and can > > explain > > "given this situation, how would you do this" etc. > > > > Personally, I'm skeptical of this SAGE Guild. Firstly, I've never > > heard > > of it. Secondly, I'm increasingly skeptical of people charging this > > kind > > of > > money for something that isn't going to have any direct bearing on my > > professional life, and indeed will probably just be a nice mental > > exercise and decrease in my checking account. It's interesing to look > > at > > the listing for this group's "board" and see NO bio, work experience, > > skillset list (or anything) for any of it's members.I've never heard > of > > any > > of them either. I'd think 2 or 3 times before sending these people > > money, > > and I'd hope you would too. I consider myself to have a clue btw ;) > > > > All this said, I'm glad to hear that LCC will be offering classes > > related to linux, cert or no cert. > > > > Ed > > > > > > --- Larry Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Beaker wrote: > >> > >>> Also, I think a big part of Linux/Open Source's attraction is > >>> tinkering with things and figuring it out on ones own or amongst > ones > >>> peers. IMHO its still a geek thing and that kinda works against > >>> those > >> > >>> wanting to create profitable multi-tiered learning programs like all > >>> those "Certified M$ Cubicle Monkey" classes one sees at nearly every > >>> community college in this country. Of course if businesses suddenly > >>> decided to adopt Linux and/or Open Office in large numbers... > >> > >> Actually there are certifications out there that do mean something; > >> for instance the sage certification ( http://sage.org ) would > probably > >> make a difference > >> if the choice were between two equally experienced people and the > >> person making the choice were clueful... > >> > >> Unfortunately there is no perfect measuring stick for ability only > >> more > >> or less functional indicators. > >> > >> And clueful hiring committees are almost an oxymoron. > > > > > > > This is a Signature: Someday soon it will have clever sayings and URL's > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
