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Rio supports Ogg on some players. My 20GB Rio Karma does Ogg
just fine, there is unofficial support for mounting the
filesystem in linux, and the base plugs into the network so you
can use the java app to manage music.

It was Sandisk that approached Rockbox. Not quite a no-name
company. I believe they are also the ones behind "idont.com".

DRM does suck your battery dry. If you load up with non-DRM
music on a "Plays for Sure" device you won't have to worry about
your battery. 

Oh, and double and triple "A" batteries come in affordable
rechargables too. 

That be all,
Mr O.


A bunch of people wrote:

Take a look at the RockBox project.  It's an open source
replacement firmware for several brands mp3 players.

I thought I read recently that some no-name company is shipping
mp3 players with RockBox preinstalled, but I can't find it now.

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Which models besides the iRiver, support ogg playback?

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"PlayForSure" is the Microsoft branded DRM.  "PlaysForS%$%^" is
more  like 
it. (It is a very troublesome bit of code to keep working, even
if you do use Microsoft products.)  It also drains battery life
on the device because of the extra cpu load.

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