It's getting harder to find laptops without Vista.  We are getting an
ever increasing number of requests to upgrade Vista to XP.

On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 19:26 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
> Re:  years from now... (see Jason's last line)   Bummer!  It has been
> less than 60 days...
> didn't someone mention not being able to get XP from Dell already? 
> 
> ben
> 
> 
> On 12/29/06, Jason LaPier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         After using and supporting XP for the last four years or so,
>         I'd have to admit, it doesn't BSOD as much as earlier versions
>         of Windows - in fact, even when I did see a BSOD it was
>         hardware related (bad memory, failing hard drive, etc).
>         Anyway, I think the point of the OP was that 98% of Windows
>         users could use XP for the next 5 or 10 years if they had to
>         and not even blink (as long as their AV works and their OS
>         updates keep coming in) - there's no point in upgrading to
>         Vista, because Vista doesn't have anything additional to offer
>         the web-surfing, word-processing, mp3-playing, general pop. 
>          
>         My biggest problem with OS X is lack of UI feedback. Most of
>         the time if an application crashes, it just goes away - ugly
>         error messages are hidden from the end-users, which both
>         confuses the user and makes support that much more of a pain.
>         Does hiding the error messages make the OS appear more stable
>         to the end-user? I don't know. Probably. I just wish there was
>         a way to at least go into System Prefs and check a box
>         somewhere that would change that behavior. 
>          
>         I've pretty much gotten to the point where I hate Windows and
>         OS X equally, but for entirely different reasons. When it
>         comes to user support, I find Windows easier to troubleshoot
>         (the Event Viewer beats the pants off the 'Console' and
>         googling for Windows errors yields solutions, whereas googling
>         for Mac-related problems tends to lead me to propaganda) but
>         of course OS X has a much more intuitive interface, cutting
>         down on the "How do I" issues. So generally, in my office I
>         let the end-users pick their poison. I won't support Vista
>         until vendors like Dell no longer offer XP pre-installed,
>         which I have a feeling will be years from now.
>          
>         - Jason
>          
>          
>         
>                 
>                 ______________________________________________________
>                 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>                 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:04 AM
>                 To: [email protected]
>                 Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content
>                 protection,hardware and the death of open source in
>                 the "consumer" world.
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                  I'd have to say you are talking about mac-users
>                 there!
>                 
>                 
>                 "2% of people are perhaps fortunate enough to have it
>                 work all the time. Blessed are thosethat have never
>                 seen a blue screen and/or never sworn at their
>                 computer." With of course the exception that I had
>                 sworn at my computer at least a few times (mostly for
>                 the lack of dual-releases on games and/or game
>                 developement tools). I only wish apple spent as much
>                 time making developement suites (if they made any at
>                 all) as easy to understand as they did the workings of
>                 their os.
>                 
>                 -E
>                 
>                  
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                 To: [email protected]
>                 Sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 7:49 PM
>                 Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content
>                 protection, hardware and the death of open source in
>                 the "consumer" world.
>                 
>                 That seems a gross over statement. Should be "XP works 
> sometimes
>                 
>                 for 98% of the people that use it". 
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 --- Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 >XP works just fine for 98% of the people out there. 
>                 
>                 > Miller
>                 
>                 >
>                 
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