EV Digest 2504
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: cheapest conversion
by harsha godavari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Evercel cycle 102 report chart
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Zivan NG3 - Transistor Lookup
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Charging Military NiCad batteries
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: VW fire (long rambling)
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: OT - ? What am I doing wrong
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Good news items coming ...
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Evercel cycle 102 report chart
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Re: Tropica #16 has it's plates - LONG
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Good news items coming ...
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: VW fire (long rambling)
by "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Zivan NG3 - Transistor Lookup
by "Dave Stensland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EVDash working now!
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Good news items coming ...
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: VW fire (long rambling)
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Evercel cycle 102 report chart
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Festiva conversion
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) TOU Meter Online
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Happy New Year from EV Charger News
by "Tom Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) How To Best Promote Our Cause?
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EVRegistration
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) NBEAA January meeting (Jan 11, 2003, 10am-12noon, Peter Senkowsky) announcement
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thanks for your suggestions. I will save this message for ref. I didnot
quite drive one but had a ride around the block :-) Quite impressive.
Regards
Harsha Godavari
1sclunn wrote:
>
> Here are a few thoughts on "cheapest conversion"
> I did a hyndia with a 6 hp 36v fork lift motor and ran it on 72 volts . 72
> volt controllers are cheap and I got this one used, It would go 30 miles at
> 35 and a top speed of about 50 . All this may sound good but it did not come
> close to a "regular" conversion with 9" adc motor and 120 volts/ 400 amp
> controller. It did cost 1/2 as much but now to upgrade any one part without
> upgrading everthing would not help it's poor proformance. Buy spending a
> little more money you can have a car that will profrom quite a bit better.
> The parts are only half the story , there is the time in putting them in
> (Lee said it well in his post) . Have you driven a conversion ?
>
> From: "harsha godavari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re:cheapest conversion
>
> > I would like to know if any one has considered/done a conversion for the
> > least amount spent for various componants (given an ICE machine was/is
> > available at no cost and no pricing for personal labour). A mid sized
> > ICE as a starting point and the final product with a 30- 40 mile range
> > (per charge) in winter in the praiaries?
> >
> > If there is an account of such an experiment, i would appreciate hearing
> > about it. Yes I am an ignoramus but enthusiastic about EVs and a little
> > too old.
> >
> > Regards
> > Harsha Godavari
> >
> >
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If I run a test that says that this battery needs something like 0.5 amps of
trickle to keep it up, Should that be generalized to all evercels need 0.5
amps?
It is really hard to make valid generalizations based on tests with one
corpse.
If I had a live one (that had not puked out all that electrolyte) the tests
would be more valid.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Evercel cycle 102 report chart
> At 10:40 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, Joe Smalley wrote:
> >Another thing I noticed is that if the battery sits for a while between
> >cycles, the capacity is lower. I don't know if this is a thermal issue or
a
> >self discharge issue.
>
> So, I wonder if a float charge would be appropriate for Evercels?
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
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Fairchild bought Harris a while back.
You should be able to find all the Harris parts on the Fairchild website.
Your part should be a HGTG20N60B3. The D (for diode) may not be necessary.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zivan NG3 - Transistor Lookup
> > Case appears to be a 340G-01 or TO-3PBL
>
> > 1st line... bold italicized "H" followed by H931
> > 2nd line... G20N60B3
> > 3rd line... AT9
>
> In both the ex Sparrow NG3s I've examined, one a 110vac the other 230vac,
> they used (as I recall, the charger is at work);
>
> IRG4PC40UD
> International Rectifier IGBT 600volt 40amp. Ultrafast with an integral
diode
>
>
> Ah Ha! Just found your original part;
>
> HGTG20N60B3D is the Fairchild equivilent.
>
>
> Paul Compton
> BVS technical officer www.bvs.org.uk
> www.sciroccoev.co.uk
>
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Terry the EAA Historian, is not on the EV List.
While I was touring S. CA for new digs, he went
to AZ to enjoy the holidays with friends.
He has a question (below) about how to charge
NiCad batteries. I assume these Military batts
are used in an EV that has a 288 VDC pack.
Please copy your response to
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One of the Phoenix Chapter Members got some
NiCad batteries, but he is useing a lead acid
battery charger. How can he find the right
charger? These are the military aircraft type,
he's running at about 288 volts.
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Observations, which I admit are guesses. (I also don't have nearly the
experience at post-mortems that some of the more experienced EVers do)
1) The fire happened during charging. Likely the initial event was either
caused by a poor connection at the charging terminals igniting hydrogen gas
from the batteries, or underrated wire coming from the charger to the
batteries heating up until it started burning. After that, there might have
been a arcing event precipitated by charred or missing insulation - you
didn't say if any of the fuses were blown or not.
2) From the amount of char, one tends to suspect a arc event took place.
However, whatever it was, it must have been self-extinguishing, since the
entire car didn't end up a crispy critter. Perhaps it only 'flamed' until
enough of the 0/2 was gone - or did a fusable open?
3) 'The rear headliner was melted in the left rear'. This suggests a
hydrogen fireball. (a arc would have melted the headliner everywhere, I
would think)
4) The more I look at these pictures, the more I envision a H2 fireball that
started near the charger endpoint. I've often seen poorly crimped charger
connections on a smaller scale throw a few sparks.. one thing that I think
supports my hypothesis is your report that the battery pack was fully
charged when the incident occured. Was this car equipped with a vent fan?
Just my 2 wh. Maybe some of the other EV fire experiencers can help with
some insight of their own.
Maybe we should try and hack a solenoid-operated fire extinguisher connected
to a smoke detector ;-) Of course, this wouldn't extinguish a arc, which is
the most likely source of damage.
S.
p.s. These EV fires are getting discouraging. While I was kidding about the
fire extinguisher, maybe we do need some kind of a arc-breaking system - 2
or 3 contactors spread throughout the pack, bridged by 30A fuses for
charging? I don't know..
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Steve and All
When you see a page that has it text that you want others
to see, do not mail the whole page.
html and attachments are stripped off by the listproc
and the yahoo group EV List archive (when detected).
When I gather newswire items, I go through all the extra
work to pull just the text off the page, reformat it,
and paste it into a message. That is a lot of work,
so it is just easier to paste the url (the web page
address of the piece) in your POST, and people will
go see it.
By me pasting the text in, it is not only easier to
quickly read, news items purposely go old. Thus I have
archived news as it happens. There are a few archives
of all our POSTs. A record of EV History.
Steve just paste the news item url in a message and
people will read it:
Hey everyone, check this news item
GM is too late to make hybrids
http://www.gm.com/screws/everyone/
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While most likely everyone ate too much, ingested liquid
libation, and imbibed deleterious chemicals, all in the
name of Happy New Year ...
I searched the newswires.
I have several items I have to spend the time to reformat
the text before I can POST them. I will get them out
asap but I now that the illegal fireworks and firing of
guns in the air have stopped, I need to crash.
One of the nice ones is now EVs can now cross the Golden
Gate Bridge for free.
Aahhh, there are still advantages to fighting to obtain,
register, and drive an EV. Despite the promises of US
made hybrids and fcvs will be coming. I guess I just
could not wait for vaporware.
Have a happy :-zzz
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In a message dated 31/12/02 17:52:05 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> So, I wonder if a float charge would be appropriate for Evercels?
The reason Zinc batteries have not previously been much used is the
propensity of Zinc to form dendrites which puntcure the separator and short
out the cell and also reducing the active plate area. Evercel seem to have an
improved separator and construction and have tweaked the chemistry. From what
I've read trickle charging greatly encourages the growth of dendrites.
Paul Compton
BVS technical officer www.bvs.org.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
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I am surprised at how long you have gone with your old Battery pack . I
think you are right on in getting to know the car ect with an old pack .
There is a Tropical at the local collage in my town . I got to see it a few
months ago ( was going to write about it but didn't ) I had seen it in a
book , but seeing it live was quite an experience. A beautiful car. They
were having trouble with there charger also . Are you planning on using 6v
golf cart bats or something sealed . watering looks like a problem.
enjoy your post
Steve Clunn
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Tropica #16 has it's plates - LONG
> I hope no one took my post as a negative comment on EVs. As far as I'm
concerned my trip was a great victory. There were two things that made this
more of an adventure than it could have been. The primary VIN # had been
removed from the car and I wanted to keep the orginal VIN instead of having
a new one assigned. That would have been easier. The other problem is that
my batteries are shot. I knew that when I purchased the car. My plan is to
debug the car,especially the charger, on this pack and get a new set of
batteries in the spring. That decision limits my range. If I had taken
Bruce's advice back when I purchased the car and replaced the pack straight
away, this trip might have been easier. Right now I'm learning bunch on a
pack that I plan to replace rather than murdering a new one. It's still
doing most everything I need. I don't normally need to do 63 miles in a day!
I also could have put it on a trailer and hauled it down to CHP. That would
have been easy but I like!
> a challenge ;) I'm looking forward to the spring with a new pack,
smarter charger (working on it), both controllers working all the time (just
fixed that) and my new sound system (not exacly Wayland but I like it).
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2002 9:55:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >
> >
> > Sounds like more work that a conversion . But you saw it through , good
for
> > you . Any non EV'ers that read this and think what a lot of trouble
don't
> > know how much fun those EV's are. ( worth all the trouble X 10 ) .. Ever
> > notice that what ever your doing when your EV is charging is just fine .
I
> > never mind long slow lines ect when my EV is plugged in and charging .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Tropica #16 has it's plates - LONG
> >
> >
> > > Tropica #16 finally has it's plates. You say I already posted this in
Oct?
> > Well I thought I was done. Not so fast bubba. It turns out that there
was a
> > mistake made during the VIN # verification and an 'S' was mistaken for
an
> > '8'. When my wife took the paperwork back to DMV in Oct to get my plates
the
> > mistake was noticed and a reverification was required. Between traveling
and
> > minor problems with the car, Oct and Nov were shot. In Dec came the
rains
> > and the colder temps which reduced my already limited range with my
abused
> > battery pack. I couldn't make it back to the same CHP so another
solution
> > needed to be found. There is another CHP facility in San Martin, about
20
> > miles south from my home. I had been getting about 20 miles of range
back
> > when it was warmer but now I was down to about 12. My temporary
registration
> > expires at the end of Dec so I was running out of time. If it would just
> > stop raining for a bit. Remember the Tropica doesn't have a top. Adobe,
like
> > many compani!
> > > es in the valley, shuts down for the holidays so I had some time. The
> > weather forecast said Dec 23 looked promising so I started my adventure.
> > >
> > > 8:00 - Drive from my home to Marcel's in Coyote, about 7 miles south.
Help
> > him put up his Christmas lights while the car charges for about an hour.
> > >
> > > 9:30 - Leave Marcel's and head to my father in law's place in Morgan
Hill,
> > about 7 miles further south. We walked to Just Breakfast for a bite and
> > chatted to kill about 3 hours while charging.
> > >
> > > 12:30 - Leave Morgan Hill for the 10 mile round trip to CHP in San
Martin.
> > When we got to the CHP inspection facility, they refused to look at the
VIN
> > # even though on the phone they said they would. She said that I would
need
> > to go to the CHP facility in Gilroy, another 5 miles south. I explained
my
> > limited range but she respond "why would you buy a car that can't get to
> > Gilroy from San Jose". She was going to be of no help. I called CHP in
> > Gilroy and they said they could look at it. I called my wife and we
decided
> > to go for it. At this point I just wanted to get it done. If I had to
get
> > towed home, so be it. My wife told me later that she contacted the local
> > rental yard to see if a trailer was available if needed.
> > >
> > > 1:30 - Off to CHP in Gilroy. Unfortunately the San Martin facility is
on
> > the north bound lanes of hwy 101 so I had to travel north and then back
> > south. I arrived at CHP in Gilroy and they were wonderful. She inspected
the
> > car while others came out to have a look. I mentioned that I needed to
find
> > a place to plug in but she said that they had no outdoor outlets. If
they
> > did, I would have been welcome to use them. Back inside she looked at
the
> > paperworked and then asked, "Why did DMV give you this form?". DMV had
given
> > my wife the wrong form. ARG!@#$! I called my wife and she offered to
drive
> > to DMV, pick up the correct form and drive it to Gilroy. I passed this
on to
> > the officer who asked if it would be possible to fax it, then she paused
and
> > dialed the phone. She called the local DMV and had them fax the form. I
was
> > told that DMV said they would get right on it but that usually means it
will
> > be a while. I left her with my cel # and went of in seach of a friendly
> > outlet. I di!
> > > dn't have to look far. It turns out that there was an outlet right
near
> > where the car was parked and she said I welcome to use it.
> > >
> > > 4:30 - Signed paperwork in hand and some charge back in the batteries
we
> > headed north back to Morgan Hill. No freeway speeds here. I couldn't
afford
> > the extra current draw.
> > >
> > > 5:00 - Back in Morgan Hill I plugged in the car. My next problem was
that
> > my family was going to dinner with some friends in San Jose at 6:30. I
> > wasn't going to get enough charge in time to make dinner so my father in
law
> > drove me home and we left the car to charge.
> > >
> > > 8:30 - After dinner, Marcel drove me back to Morgan Hill to pick up
the
> > car and I headed back to his place in Coyote for some more charge.
> > >
> > > 10:00 - Finally the last leg from Coyote to home. By now it was about
45
> > degrees. I don't even want to know what the wind chill was, I was COLD!
> > >
> > > Dec 24
> > > Against my better judgement, my whole family headed to DMV to finish
the
> > registration and get my plates. I was sure something else would go wrong
and
> > really didn't want to be bummed on Christmas Eve. When we got to the
front
> > of the line, we handed the paperwork to a clerk who looked it over and
then
> > said, "Why didn't CHP fill out these 2 sections". Sigh, I knew it. She
gave
> > us a number anyway so we waited our turn. When our number was called we
went
> > to the window, handed over the paperwork and explained our needs. The
> > gentleman was very helpful and even asked if I knew about the Clean Air
HOV
> > Access stickers. He signed us off and handed us our plates. As we walked
> > towards the door I was waiting for someone to say "Wait, you still need
> > to..." but it never happended. I installed the plates as soon as we got
home
> > and removed the temporary sticker.
> > >
> > > My wife suprised me with personalized plates. '121GWAT'
> > Think Back to the
> > Future.
> > >
> > > It was a very Merry Christmas,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
>
>
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:06 AM
Subject: Good news items coming ...
> While most likely everyone ate too much, ingested liquid
> libation, and imbibed deleterious chemicals, all in the
> name of Happy New Year ...
> I searched the newswires.
I was trying hard to get my wife drunk but with kids and grand kids didn't
have ANY luck .
while I wait for my slow computer to descide if its going to do somthing I'v
been reading your Electrifying times mag . I'd like to know were you get
the time to do all this ??? I got a feeling CA hours are longer that Fl.
hours . I didn't see how to subscribe to your mag , whats a year sub?
> I have several items I have to spend the time to reformat
> the text before I can POST them. I will get them out
> asap but I now that the illegal fireworks and firing of
> guns in the air have stopped, I need to crash.
>
> One of the nice ones is now EVs can now cross the Golden
> Gate Bridge for free.
> Aahhh, there are still advantages to fighting to obtain,
> register, and drive an EV. Despite the promises of US
> made hybrids and fcvs will be coming. I guess I just
> could not wait for vaporware.
>
>
> Have a happy :-zzz
>
>
>
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No fuse blew in the pack and the GFCI's didn't go. I'll have to check the
charger fuxes/breaker but I didn't think they blew, sorry the car is about a
3 hour round trip from me at Jack's house so I can't check now :-(
There was a AC powered vent fan that blew into the box and the box had a
cover and an exhaust hole on the other side. Of course not knowing what the
before looked like or being able to feel how much ait pressure the exhaust
came out I can't say much. The fan, in the rear right of the box, doesn't
hold tight anymore and just dangles there so at least if I were to plug it
in now there would be a buildup of gasses because there aren't any seals for
the cables coming in and the box probably doesn't seal. Plus the fan kind of
hangs off the bolts because it's threads are stripped, but I could have done
that when I removed it a couple weeks ago.
I will definately be replacing the fan since it is kind of weak, at least
compared to the one I use in the blazer, and mounting threads are stripped
so it doesn't clamp tight.
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From: "Jon "Sheer" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: VW fire (long rambling)
> Observations, which I admit are guesses. (I also don't have nearly the
> experience at post-mortems that some of the more experienced EVers do)
>
> 1) The fire happened during charging. Likely the initial event was either
> caused by a poor connection at the charging terminals igniting hydrogen
gas
> from the batteries, or underrated wire coming from the charger to the
> batteries heating up until it started burning. After that, there might
have
> been a arcing event precipitated by charred or missing insulation - you
> didn't say if any of the fuses were blown or not.
>
> 2) From the amount of char, one tends to suspect a arc event took place.
> However, whatever it was, it must have been self-extinguishing, since the
> entire car didn't end up a crispy critter. Perhaps it only 'flamed' until
> enough of the 0/2 was gone - or did a fusable open?
>
> 3) 'The rear headliner was melted in the left rear'. This suggests a
> hydrogen fireball. (a arc would have melted the headliner everywhere, I
> would think)
>
> 4) The more I look at these pictures, the more I envision a H2 fireball
that
> started near the charger endpoint. I've often seen poorly crimped charger
> connections on a smaller scale throw a few sparks.. one thing that I think
> supports my hypothesis is your report that the battery pack was fully
> charged when the incident occured. Was this car equipped with a vent fan?
>
> Just my 2 wh. Maybe some of the other EV fire experiencers can help with
> some insight of their own.
>
> Maybe we should try and hack a solenoid-operated fire extinguisher
connected
> to a smoke detector ;-) Of course, this wouldn't extinguish a arc, which
is
> the most likely source of damage.
>
> S.
>
> p.s. These EV fires are getting discouraging. While I was kidding about
the
> fire extinguisher, maybe we do need some kind of a arc-breaking system - 2
> or 3 contactors spread throughout the pack, bridged by 30A fuses for
> charging? I don't know..
>
>
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Newark Electronics sells this exact replacement part for only $2.37
each. I ordered 10 so I can replace those inside my NG3 and still have
spares.
In case you missed it, one of the masterminds behind Manzanita Micro's
incredible PFC chargers just assisted in the repair of my tired old
Zivan... a praiseworthy action that reflects well upon Joe Smalley and
the open nature of the EV Discussion List.
I am grateful and apt to purchase a shiny new PFC-20 as soon as my
finances permit.
Cheers!
-Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Joe Smalley
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Zivan NG3 - Transistor Lookup
Fairchild bought Harris a while back.
You should be able to find all the Harris parts on the Fairchild
website.
Your part should be a HGTG20N60B3. The D (for diode) may not be
necessary.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zivan NG3 - Transistor Lookup
> > Case appears to be a 340G-01 or TO-3PBL
>
> > 1st line... bold italicized "H" followed by H931
> > 2nd line... G20N60B3
> > 3rd line... AT9
>
> In both the ex Sparrow NG3s I've examined, one a 110vac the other
230vac,
> they used (as I recall, the charger is at work);
>
> IRG4PC40UD
> International Rectifier IGBT 600volt 40amp. Ultrafast with an integral
diode
>
>
> Ah Ha! Just found your original part;
>
> HGTG20N60B3D is the Fairchild equivilent.
>
>
> Paul Compton
> BVS technical officer www.bvs.org.uk
> www.sciroccoev.co.uk
>
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Christopher Meier wrote:
> Has anyone experimented with using the irda port to connect to the
> E-Meter? Make a custom holder for the Palm with a built in irda
> port, which is connected to the E-Meter. Modify the EVDash
> software to receive the data on that port.
Just remember that the E-meter's serial data port is HOT! It is directly
connected to the propulsion pack battery! So, isolation would be
mandatory.
John G. Lussmyer wrote:
>> I finally got EVDash working on a Palm M100 with my EMeter.
>> Turns out I had a bad serial cable my first attempt...
>> My biggest problem is that I need to find a serial cable with less
>> bulky plugs.
The ones used with flat cable are pretty low profile. Or, just solder a
pair of wires to the E-meter's PC board on pins 3 and 5 of the serial
connector.
>> I could probably plug the M100 cable directly into the EMeter
>> - but I need it to sync with the computer, and it's really awkward
>> connecting to the E-Meter (inside the dash of the Sparrow.)
Run the 2-wire cable out to a little box somewhere that has the
opto-isolator and connector to plug in the palm pilot. Remember to
heavily insulate those two wires!
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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[ref http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVList/message/33981 ]
I believe you are confused ...
I do not have a magazine. Electrifying times is not me.
However people do pick up on my POSTs and reprint them freely.
If you do a search on brucedp you will find me all over the
net, usually by reprints (that can be a good thing, or bad)
All my work is free ... for now ...
I do not see a future where I would sell them ...
There has not been a strong EV market, even for EV stories.
EV World while a professional mag, is a lot of work of EV love.
I pray that they at least break even. They are the polish
our EV cause needs.
Electrifyingtimes is another effort of EV love and survives on
the edge (some of their articles have been on the edge too -
urine as a batt additive?!? ). But the sexy models keep the
male antennas pointing.
No, if you read a piece with my name on it, it was likely
lifted, and that publication is not mine.
(For now) the EV List gets my newsitems and EV stories first.
Where they go from there ...
I only find out after the deed is done.
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This type of event happened here in Las Vegas about two years ago, your were
very lucky Mark, the event here was much larger. The car here in Las Vegas
caught fire during charging, the house breaker didn't trip, after much
discussion here on the list I feel very strongly that the problem was in the
wires from the charger to the battery pack was under sized and acted like a
heating element, they got hot enough to catch other burnable stuff near the
wires on fire with out blowing the fuse in the charger.
I'm no expert, this is just what I got out of the discussion I had here
on the list, It takes a "short" to blow the fuse quickly enough to stop the
problem before it gets big, so some of the solutions to the problem (in my
opinion, I'm sure others will correct if I'm wrong) is to use the proper
size wire to the charger and from the charger to the battery's, take in to
account the number of feet, amps, and HEAT, then build in some safety by
over sizing the wire from there, also as Sheer pointed out poorly crimped
terminals have high resistance which = heat, the next thing is, try to keep
the wires from the charger to the battery's together as long as possible so
that if they get hot a short will developed and blow the fuse.
I hope others learn from other peoples misfortune, I was drawing 500
amps through 0/2 wire and didn't give much though about 20 to 30 amps from
the charger until the fire.
From: "Jon "Sheer" Pullen"
> Observations, which I admit are guesses. (I also don't have nearly the
> experience at post-mortems that some of the more experienced EVers do)
>
> 1) The fire happened during charging. Likely the initial event was either
> caused by a poor connection at the charging terminals igniting hydrogen
gas
> from the batteries, or underrated wire coming from the charger to the
> batteries heating up until it started burning. After that, there might
have
> been a arcing event precipitated by charred or missing insulation - you
> didn't say if any of the fuses were blown or not.
>
> Maybe we should try and hack a solenoid-operated fire extinguisher
connected
> to a smoke detector ;-) Of course, this wouldn't extinguish a arc, which
is
> the most likely source of damage.
>
> S.
>
> p.s. These EV fires are getting discouraging. While I was kidding about
the
> fire extinguisher, maybe we do need some kind of a arc-breaking system - 2
> or 3 contactors spread throughout the pack, bridged by 30A fuses for
> charging? I don't know..
>
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:
>
> At 10:40 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, Joe Smalley wrote:
> >Another thing I noticed is that if the battery sits for a while between
> >cycles, the capacity is lower. I don't know if this is a thermal issue or a
> >self discharge issue.
>
> So, I wonder if a float charge would be appropriate for Evercels?
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
Umm NOT recomended... the float would turn into thermal runaway. You
can't float NiCds, or NiZn. It more proper to empty them and leave them
discharged then full.
Of course this means you need a Honking charger and a "Reawakening"
cycle before they are useable. Working in that....
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Don't know if this will help for parts sourcing or whatever, but the
Festiva (certainly the first generation ones, and I believe all of
them) was a re-branded Mazda 121. Incidentally, the 121 is still sold
by Mazda in Europe and Asia. Don't know if modern parts would fit in
the older models, but it might be worth looking into.
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Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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Well we finally got the TOU meter last Friday...ordered on November 12.
Seems the delay was caused by a long chain of factors, including the "one
guy" at Edison who does all the EV meters was on vacation, and not only did
most of the Edison people I talked to not know what I was talking about,
they didn't even know who to ask to find out anything either.
Like at all huge organizations, inter-departmental communication at Edison
seems to be a bad thing...and I don't know why.
And you know how it is when you ask someone something they don't know and
their subsequent machinations, intended to obscure the fact that they don't
know, instead only cement your knowledge of that fact? Well, to her credit,
our planning lady offered on her first trip out that she had never even seen
a TOU meter for EV charging.
After weeks of delay I finally snapped, faxing a letter to the VP whose name
is on the bottom of all the Edison docs concerning their EV program,
detailing my efforts to date. That morning I got a call from Ed Kjaer
(care), head of EV Development at Edison. It took me five weeks but, man oh
man, I finally had THE answer man.
Ed dispensed quick answers to ALL my questions, and concluded our
conversation by saying, "We're going to get you taken care of".
And he did.
I....I think I love you, Ed.
And the remaining cast:
Norma Chacon/Edison Planning- Nice lady and well spoken of by her peers; but
I sensed a little resentment. Could be because I called her daily for five
weeks?
Brian Cisco/Edison EV Development- He's one of the little brainiacs at the
(apparently) top secret EV Skunkworks located at a remote desert location
somewhere east of the city. He seemed pleased to be contacted by the outside
world and even allowed me to invite myself to go check out their EV
Technology Center. (Wonder if a few quick charges might wake up my sagging
Sonnenscheins somewhat?)
Beatrice/Clean Fuel- She put up with dozens of my calls with much grace and
aplomb. Nice people there, and I'm sure they'll just move into AVCONs when
SPIs are phased out- but can you think of a more unnecessary middle-man? How
about on-board chargers being the standard? How about NEMA 14-50s for all?
Power to conductive charging! Every man a king!
Maynard- God bless him. He's the one heaven sent with my fancy Siemens Model
AXRS-4 TOU meter. Of course he did pull the house meter and start to replace
it with the TOU. I got him to make a quick call to verify that he was to
leave us with two meters.
That's right, the new meter goes in that new socket there...
He had a really cool "ToughCase" laptop with a reader that plugged onto the
front of the meter. I don't know if it's a magnetic or optical link, but it
also puts out a radio signal that they can read from the truck out in the
street.
He seemed really excited about the whole EV thing as he had never planted a
TOU Meter for EV Charging before. That's when I learned that the "one guy"
who sets all the EV meters was on vacation. Even offered to get me the
software for the Landis & Gyr watt/hour meter in the EVcort when he noticed
it had the same kind of reader as our new TOU.
HNY!
J. Marvin Campbell
Culver City, CA
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Happy New Year!
We've just completed some major revisions and updates to
www.evchargernews.com
(or http://evchargernews.home.attbi.com ).
Some pages were inadvertently out of commission for a couple of days.
My apologies, and thanks to drivers who pointed out the problem.
We've completed the conversion to the new, condensed format. All
regions are now in the new format. All regions are now complete lists,
not just supplements to the EV1 Club list.
With the new, condensed format, size of the individual region listings
is not so much of a concern, so we've combined San Francisco with the
Bay Area list, and made Los Angeles County one list instead of two.
These changes should make these listings easier to use.
Gil Dawson has been doing a great job of automating the process.
Thanks, Gil!
We still have a lot of updates to process, and (especially) hundreds of
I Was There reports to include. Keep 'em coming, though! Our New
Year's resolution is to keep the information more timely and useful.
Please send any feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Tom Dowling
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Here's a hypothetical for you-
Let's say you had a friend who had just acquired a say in how one of the
largest philanthropical organizations in the world directs their funding
efforts.
This friend is also very interested in promoting our cause, i.e., BEVs (of
course), renewables, etc.
If you were to be a consultant regarding these issues to this person, how
would you advise they spend their money in order to best advance our cause?
What organizations and/or projects do you believe would be most worthy, and
be able to do the most good in branding the public with EVs, renewables,
etc.?
Just wondering...
J. Marvin Campbell
Culver City, CA
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Stan and Jo,
As Bruce Parmenter had said with his conversion registration, my
conversion (VW VoltsRabbit - homebuilt in '94) DMV registration
experience is also a bit dated to be relevant, but here is a
summary. Took the Rabbit to Corte Madera (Marin) DMV. They
checked it over with no hassles (the VoltsRabbit kit did supply a
sticker to be attached to the underside of the hood - maybe that
helped). Entering the information into the DMV computer at Corte
Madera was another story, taking several tries till they finally
got it accepted. As I recall, my next stop was to drive the
vehicle up to Petaluma some 27 miles distant to the ARB referee
to have it inspected for the $1000 EV tax credit that existed at
that time. The refs crawled under and over that car for a good
twenty minutes (where in the heck is that gas engine that makes
this thing "really" go?). They finally wrapped the process up
and gave me my walking papers. Unfortunately, they did not have
any charging available, so with new batteries, newbie EV driver,
original non low-rolling resistance tires, North Bay hills, etc.,
there was no way I was going to make this roundtrip without a
charge. Fortunately I knew an EAA member up in Petaluma that was
happy to have me leave the car on his driveway overnight for a
charge while I had other transportation arrangements to go home
and come back up to Petaluma the next day. I got the tax credit
for the 1994 tax year, which brought a nice smile to my mug, but
unfortunately DMV in Sacramento could never get it right on the
registration (saying something to the effect that it had to be
registered as a commercial vehicle to have an `E' for fuel type),
so alas and alack it to this day remains a `D', for "diesel",
which is what the car originally was. I decided I wasn't going
to hassle with it anymore, since I got my tax credit, and diesels
weren't required to go through a bi-annual inspection (which
would've required a trip to the ref in Petaluma everytime). Now,
however, if I have a hassle with that D designation if/when I try
to get an EV charging parking place sticker, I will most
certainly stick it to the state to change the D to an E. 'Nuf
said. Your own mileage will vary...
?: Will says below that there is an ARB check on speed for
conversions for the HOV sticker (which sticker I don't have much
interest in, at least now). How is it determined your conversion
will not turn into a blockage in the HOV lane? Do they have
somebody ride out there with you while you take it however far
you need to go in the HOV lane?
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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From: beckettw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: EVRegistration
> Registration should be no problem. If the car is not converted
> professionally, then they will inspect it to be sure it is
electric. Then
> they put the E on your registration. Even though my Blazer was
> professionally converted, they required an inspection. Some
conversion
> owners have said the E type gets changed from year to year and
they have to
> go in for another inspection, but this never happened to me in
the six years
> I had that vehicle.
>
> There is an ARB check on conversions for the HOV sticker now
because they
> want to make sure the car will go fast enough in the car pool
lane. But
> this is only for the sticker, not for registration.
>
> - Will
>
> Will Beckett
>
> Contact information (https://ecardfile.com/id/will_beckett)
>
> Become a member or donate to the Electric Auto Association,
donations are
> tax deductible. http://eaaev.org/eaamembership.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of Johanna and Stan
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: EVRegistration
>
>
> EV Drivers:
>
> Has anybody registered their conversion with Ca DMV as a
conversion?
> The DMV only seems to recognize certain manufactured EVs as
such. We filled
> out the forms to try and register, no luck. The DMV just
circulates you to
> the Air Resources Board and around the block a few times.
Anybody else have
> this happen? Know how to register? It would be noce to pick
up of a few of
> the parking incentives and so on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stan and Jo Soliday
> in the Ohmsmobile
>
>
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The January meeting of the North Bay Chapter of the Electric Auto
Association will be held on Saturday January 11th from 10am - 12
noon
at the Napa Wine Train in Napa.
Our featured speaker will be Peter Senkowsky, who will discuss
his
exciting adventures with electric vehicles over the past several
years. Peter
was the first Sparrow Dealer in the Napa-Sonoma area. At his
EVTransport
facility in Glenn Ellen, he assembled the SuperSparrow, which won
two
world electric motorcyle records at Sears Point and in Colorado.
Subsequently, he was hired as vice President of Manufacturing at
Corbin
Motors, where his designs were incorporated in the first
generation of
Sparrows with a workable propulsion system. Recently he and his
twin
brother Ule have been working in Germany on an electric version
of the
Spanish Buomo, which looks like a clone of the Smart.
Location:
Napa Wine Train,
1275 McKinstry Street,
Napa, CA 94559
Date: 11th January from 10am-12 noon
Contact: Amy
Tel: 707 253-0920
Web site: http://www.winetrain.com
Driving directions:
Exit Lincoln Avenue from Highway 29 in Napa. Go east on Lincoln
Avenue.
Turn right on Soscol Avenue. Turn left at light onto First Street
then
immediately turn left again onto McKinstry Street. Make second
left into
driveway for parking at the McKinstry Street Depot.
Further directions at: http://www.winetrain.com/wtmap.html
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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