EV Digest 2515
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Segway interest
by "a.k. howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Segway interest
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) 110VAC AVCON Plug
by "Andrea Bachus Kohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Successful Hybrid Conversion
by "VanDerWal, Peter MSgt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Optima YT modifications?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Successful Hybrid Conversion,comments
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Segway interest
by Alan Batie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Charging questions an' Thoughts
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Range
by Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Successful Hybrid Conversion
by Martin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: 110VAC AVCON Plug
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: Vehicle safety: Bigger isn't better
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Segway interest
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: OT Vehicle safety: Bigger isn't better
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Fw: Have you heard the nanometer material of battery additives to reduce the
choking by PbSO4 ?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Fw: Segway interest
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Charging questions
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Charging questions
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Fw: little cars without motors.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: 120V kwh meter
by "Tim Gulden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Segway interest
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) gimme a brake ...
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Intel EV charging ...
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: gimme a brake ...must be brake season
by "EV'r up LATE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) EVLN(ZAP's 3x performance batt forward-looking statements)-long
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Segway interest
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 08:09:05 -0800
At 09:07 AM 1/6/2003 -0600, a.k. howard stated:
The Segway strikes me as a vehicle with a very narrow niche. I think it
would work well for specialized applications such as the Post office, or
inside warehouses. Perhaps it might work well for security personnel in
large casino resorts.
It would be VERY nice to have while visiting Las Vegas. It's often a 1/2
mi or more between Casinos/Hotels, and walking gets really hard on the
feet.
What they need is a rental rack for them at the front of each Casino.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed, why didn't I think of that. A.K. Howard, Las Vegas, NV.
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If I was to go to the Las Vegas strip and rent a Segway and use it on the
sidewalk to get from casino to casino and hit a pedestrian by ACCIDENT would
those new laws there passing relieve me from paying for the pedestrians
broken foot or the never ending back injury or would I need liability
insurance?
From: "John Lussmyer"
>
> It would be VERY nice to have while visiting Las Vegas. It's often a 1/2
> mi or more between Casinos/Hotels, and walking gets really hard on the
feet.
> What they need is a rental rack for them at the front of each Casino.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
>
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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Does anyone know the manufacturer of the 110 VAC to AVCON adapter that Honda
used with their EV PLUS?
Thanks,
Marc Kohler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>The Subaru OHV engine on mine produces less emission than most. It
>meets CA emission requirements, though I haven't read what they are. It
>can also be converted to run on Propane, at the expense of power and
>ease of use. I do like the bio-diesel idea. If my engine dies it will
>likely be replaced with a diesel.
>
>How does one measure the amount of pollution from these small engines?
>Can I take it to an emission station and ask nicely?
That is a good idea, might work. I guess it depends on them though.
>I have trouble
>doubt the "100 miles a month" estimate below without more data.
I don't doubt it. First I've researched the numbers (don't have them handy
right now), but consider:
Small engines don't have a catalytic converter (big difference in
pollution), no smog pump, no charcoal canister to capture tank vapors, no
oxygen sensor, no...well you get the picture.
They simply aren't designed for low emissions. Even the new California
small engines emission standards allow far more pollution on an hour by hour
basis than are allowed for ANY on the road vehicle. On a power production
basis it's even worse (I.e. pollution per HP).
It's not really that small engines are so bad (compared to 50 years ago) but
rather emission standards for cars and trucks are so much tighter now than
they used to be.
-snip-
>What's in your garage?
an electric moped (home made)
an electric moped (commercially made, Sinclair C-5)
an electric motorcycle (converted Ninja)
an electric truck (converted Toyota)
several bicycles (used to be my primary commuting vehicle)
a manual push powered reel mower
electric trimmer
A (currently) gas powered 4Runner that's going to be converted to primarily
electric with diesel hybrid (direct drive on front wheels)
Several junked vehicle purchased for parts for above project (diesel rabbit,
Porsche 924S, Toyota Tacoma)
Ford Escort wagon (the best gas mileage vehicle available at the time that
met my needs).
no tractors or snow blowers yet.
P.S. anybody want any rabbit parts? Great body, thrashed interior.
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Delphi batteries have a white see through plastic case. Seems 4 holes and
some distilled water could be the answer. With a back light I bet you could
see through to see if the plates are covered. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Optima YT modifications?
> At 01:53 PM 1/5/03, you wrote:
> >I received this message recently. Does anyone know anything more about
this?
> >Is it possible? Does it increase capacity significantly? What are the
> >drawbacks?
> >
> >>I have also heard that it is possible to convert an Optima to a wet
cell,
> >>and that you get more capacity out of them if you do so. You may not
even
> >>have to take the top off, adding water by injection and leaving a hole
to
> >>vent. This takes away the advantage of a sealed battery, but gives more
> >>capacity.
>
> While letting them vent is not a good idea, adding water can
> sometimes extend the cycle life. Weigh a new one and then add water to the
> cells of the "tired" old battery to bring the weight up to the original
> weight. Seal up the holes with plastic screws and RTV. Kind of like
> refilling an ink cartridge in you printer. I've never done this myself,
but
> I have heard of others doing it successfully. Can't hurt, the tired old
> battery is nearly useless anyway.
>
> If you plan on doing this, weigh your batteries when new and
write
> the weight on the side of each battery.
>
>
> _ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
> \'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> =(___)=
> U
> Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
>
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Tavria, maybe? There was a guy in the Los Angeles area trying to sell
them for EV conversions.
--- Richard Furniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't remember the name of the car, but he said it was the same
> size as
> the first Honda's here in the USA, those little orange two door
> cars, these
> are full cars, 70 MPH, real glass and everything, brand new just
> off the
> line without engines, I think he said there were 3k delivered to
> Vegas with
> papers. His name is Miro Kefurt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 06:56:29PM -0700, Rick wrote:
> I'm glad the Segway is available now, but I tend to agree with Lee. An ebike
> is much more affordable, and if something goes dead, you can pedal it home,
> at least most of them. I bet at least one is like trying to pedal an old
> paddle boat. The MoRad scooter strikes me as the most reasonable cross
> between all aspects and concerns.
An ebike has the advantage of being a bicycle, and thus you can take it on
the light rail and busses, at least here in Portland. I live a couple miles
from the light rail station, and the parking garage there is always full
by the time I get there. The bus connector doesn't even come very close to
my house, so an ebike would be reasonable option, at least in the summer.
Well, actually, I really ought to just use a regular bike if I were really
doing it (I work at home), but this is the EV list ;-)
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Hi Johanna an' Stan;
I have found that a few miles, they don't care,re charge in a
reasonable time again, same day, or so, or overnite.
Afraid that would be called a cycle, but they go for thousands of lite
cycles like that, it's those deep cycles, where you inch home on a few
remaining volts, like 80 percent, is a deep cycle, those cycles count big
time toward your batteries earlier retirement. This is what turns off alota
EV wannabees, as the batteries will do their extended commute, for awile,
but as they lose power from deep discharges, they don't make it home
anymore. "EV for sale, needs batteries" as they turn up on E bay. They would
find a happy home with guyz like you, with a modest mile commute.John
Lussmyer's Sparrow, being a prime example. He's searching for better
batteries, as his Optimas won't go the distance anymore. The other end of
that spectrom is John Wayland's Blue Meany, Datsun conversion, with Optimas.
HE goes about 25 miles, at hiway speeds, never passing up an oportunity to
dust a disbelieving gas car or two. He should post more of the Blue Meanie
Stories, or fun with EV's. But his secret is a state of the art charger,
thanks Rich Rudman, and fast and frequent charges, 'round PDX, as he goes.A
light nicely designed conversion, not an elephant on Roller Skates, like my
82 Rabbit. I piled in the lead@120 volts of T 145's to do my 56 mile RT
commute. I NEEDED enough juice to get home, 450 foot climb, if I couldn't
plug in at work. In the summer I can do it easily, but today, say, would
need the plug in at work, it's 25 degrees and #$%^ SNOWING today. To get
home at hiway speeds. But slogging along in the snow at 30, no problem. I
don't drive it in this weather, as why hasten the demise of an older, clean
car, salt sand and all that crap imbedded in fender wells, and underneith. I
have been cought in the snow, and it is sorta cool, on the two laners
gliding along through the snow, silently, softly, enjoying nature's magisty.
Classical tunes on the radio. Heavy 3300 lb car goes fine. you hasfta TRY to
spin the wheels, but yu gotta keep in mind that I only weigh slightly less
than a Greyhound bus when ya gotta stop<g>!A thing forgotten by alotta SUV
pilots as you see them in the bushes or wheels to the sky.
Sorry got carried away.Last question, Plug it in whenever ya get the
chance! You're batteries will thank you and reward your love with lottsa
life. Yul get used to doing that in awile, part of the EV lifestyle, so to
speak. Have a handy place with cords in place and ready to use. when yu get
out of the car, walk around to the back, insert cord, walk away, with a warm
warm, as yur car is happy. On the same theme, UNPLUG BEFORE driving off if
yu don't have a power knockoff setup so you can't just drive off, plugged
in. I have, in my early daze of EVing. Folks honking and yelling at you as
yu drag the cord along behind you! Slows ya down a bit, with road friction,
too<g>! You will get used to the plug an' unplug gig, pretty fast, and
forget how to use gas pumps, too. Hey ! That's the name of the game!! Was
embarrissing the first few daze of last summer's Woodburn trip from CT to
PDX. "Gees! Howthehell ya work this thing?" to other gass folks at the
fillup time. They look at you funny, and I say " Well, sorry, I don't
normally buy this stuff, I have an electric car at home" By the time I got
out West, got good at gassing my car. Amazing that you can get it ANYWHERE
in the USA that ya need it and for less than Perrier bottled WATER ! And
were about to go to war to defend this "privlidge." Sigh. Restart the
draft?? Yes, that's been on the radio, I don't want MY sons, or any of yours
to go to war for the gas thing. I'll take the train, or EV where I hafta go
before that. Or stay home. I won't get started on all that. But we EVers are
a national resourse, of stratigic importance.
I hope I have rambled into answering your EV quiestions, in a roundabout
way. We're here, Support, camarade, and good clean EV fun. I amed this all
at EV newbees to try to show EV life as it is with Lead acid batteries.
Looks like were gunna be stuck with them awile, but have my hopes on
EVercells or some new breakthrough battery.
Seeya
Bob
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From: Johanna and Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: Charging questions
> If you've only driven a few miles, how long can you let the batteries sit
> before charging?
> Our Trojan flooded lead acid batteries can be drawn down to 80%. If we
only
> draw them down to 95 or 90% and then charge them, does that constitute a
> charging cycle?
> Would it be better to keep drawing the batteries down the following day
and
> then charge them or should they be charged every day the car is driven?
>
> Johanna and Stan Soliday
>
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Hmmm. And I thought that battery powered cars didn't have enough range
for the car companies.
-------------------
DaimlerChrysler to Test FCVs in Japan Next Year.
DaimlerChrysler plans to field-test eight hydrogen-powered fuel cell
vehicles (FCVs) on public roads in Japan next year. The F-Cell
prototype FCVs to be tested are based on its Mercedes-Benz A-class
subcompact car and have a top speed of approximately 140 kilometers per
hour (about 87 miles per hour). The FCV is able to travel 150
kilometers (about 93 miles) without needing to refill its 1.8-kilogram
compressed hydrogen fuel storage tank.
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Hi Dave;
"The Subaru OHV engine on mine produces less emission than most. It
meets CA emission requirements, though I haven't read what they are."
I take it this is not a car engine. The test of a utility engine isn't
the same as a car engine, but there would be a standard to go by. Ask
the ARB directly.
"Can I take it to an emission station and ask nicely ?"
If it were a standard car, this could be worked out with the central
technical office. In smaller BC, they asked some of us who failed if
we would bring our cars in for a more complete test of before and
after repair. It happens I know the testing manager. This sort of
thing isn't done in the usual line, but in a 'back room' and may only
be done in 1 or 2 offices in California or in a college lab.
The usual inspection station personnel won't go outside of their job
description because it's extra work and they would not get extra
credit for their effort. Someone higher up might get interested in
your situation.
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Sorry Marc,
Now that I've installed an AVCON inlet on my EV I wish I had held onto this
adapter when I returned my EV+ back to Honda. I don't know if these adaptors
might be purchased from Honda.
-Ed Thorpe
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From: Andrea Bachus Kohler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 110VAC AVCON Plug
Does anyone know the manufacturer of the 110 VAC to AVCON adapter that Honda
used with their EV PLUS?
Thanks,
Marc Kohler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Please, not again...
SUVs are far worse safer than cars only if driven as cars
(i.e. by morons). No science needed - just common sense.
If you drive SUV considering its specifics and limitations in handling,
it is just as safe as cars, and safer than, say, Geo metro in head-on
collisions from pure bulk mass stand point. We've debated it too.
Don't start about cornering and turnover stuff - you 're not suppose
to drive it like that; SUV aren't designed and will never deliver
regular car's maneuverability. Some people still try, then complain,
and write articles. Well, see paragraph 1 above.
Victor
Vince wrote:
>
> Robert wrote:
>
> > Very interesting study on safety of different types of vehicles. Big
> > surprise, the mighty SUV isn't as safe as most folks think, both to
> > the driver & passengers and to people in other vehicles; only Pickup
> > trucks are worse.
>
> Granted, this is the proper and scientific manner in which to examine the data, but
>when asked why they're driving big SUVs, the first
> words you hear out of every Soccer Mom's mouth is that it's safer for their children.
>
> Vince
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From: John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Segway interest
> At 09:07 AM 1/6/2003 -0600, a.k. howard stated:
> > The Segway strikes me as a vehicle with a very narrow niche. I think it
> > would work well for specialized applications such as the Post office, or
> > inside warehouses. Perhaps it might work well for security personnel in
> > large casino resorts.
>
> It would be VERY nice to have while visiting Las Vegas. It's often a 1/2
> mi or more between Casinos/Hotels, and walking gets really hard on the
feet.
> What they need is a rental rack for them at the front of each Casino.
>
Right on ! John. But as you folks say the Segway has limited appeal to
the average guy. Hell, who wants to STAND on a longer trip. I always look
for a seat in the Subway or Max when going that route, yu do, too. For about
300 bux you can get a nice Curry scooter with a bike seat on a pipe, stuck
on back, so you can scoot in comfort. A dead Curry is easier to drag home
than a Segway, although I guess yu drag dead Segwayz home like pushing a
lawnmower??Dragging it up the steps in the Subway, could be a pain? I know I
coulda sold the Curry on EVery Max trip we took in PDX to curious fellow
passengers, that thought it was 'way cool. It Maxed very easy, roll on roll
off. Coulda bussed that easy, too. In NYC subwayed, as I do take my Bike
on the Subway, when rained out or flat tire. Yu can schleppe it through the
turnstyle, the Good Folks that run the MTA don't care.
If ya have deep pockets, get one and report back to the List how it
goes<g>! But put yur EV money in something more conventional, I'd say.
Seeya
Bob
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
>
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Lee Hart wrote:
>
> The study recently cited in Scientific American looked at the driver
> fatality rates in your car and the other car. Basically, it found that
> the ranking for YOUR safety was:
>
> best: imported luxury cars
> minivans
> large cars
> mid-sized cars
> SUVs
> compact cars
> pickup trucks
> subcompact cars
> worst: sports cars
>
> And the ranking for the car that hits you was:
>
> best: imported luxury cars
> subcompact cars
> large cars
> mid-sized cars
> compact cars
> minivans
> SUVs
> sports cars
> worst: pickup trucks
I believe, one critical factor is missing - driving mentality of
people buying these particular vehicles from these classes.
You don't expect sports car driver to behave and risk the same
as luxury import driver, do you?
All this studies are not as meaningful as they are presented:
if the vehicles would be driven by identical robots, then
crash safety results would reflect strengths/weaknesses of
the vehicles themselves.
In real world PEOPLE get vehicles in crashes, not vehicles.
Just like a gun never killed anyone yet, a *person* did.
Vehicles are designed to reduce impact of people's errors.
But the errors fed into different classes of the vehicles
for studies are not the same.
Have you ever seen red Corvette doing 65mph where 65mph limit
is posted? I bet there are more Mercedeses E320 driving
more carefully in such situations, and *that* would account for
more favorable E320 statistics just as much as car's more
superior safety design.
Victor
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You want to reduce electron transfer (responsible for self discharge)
to the minimum, while increase ion transfer (conductivity).
Any electron path between plates is the same as any conductive
material and will cause high self discharge.
Unless he's not describing correctly, this invention won't do
any good.
Victor
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> Anybody know what this guy is talking about? Anybody got some messed up
> batteries to test it on? Lawrence Rhodes......
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:51 AM
> Subject: Have you heard the nanometer material of battery additives to
> reduce the choking by PbSO4 ?
>
> > Besides the physical method of agitating PbSO4 moleculars, there is
> another alternative to use nanometer materials as additive to create
> electron path inside of the lead acid batteries, simple to use and works
> great at low cost.
> > If you're interested in this product to test, let me know by return email.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Segway interest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Segway interest
>
>
> > At 09:07 AM 1/6/2003 -0600, a.k. howard stated:
> > > The Segway strikes me as a vehicle with a very narrow niche. I think
it
> > > would work well for specialized applications such as the Post office,
or
> > > inside warehouses. Perhaps it might work well for security personnel
in
> > > large casino resorts.
> >
> > It would be VERY nice to have while visiting Las Vegas. It's often a
1/2
> > mi or more between Casinos/Hotels, and walking gets really hard on the
> feet.
> > What they need is a rental rack for them at the front of each Casino.
> >
> Right on ! John. But as you folks say the Segway has limited appeal to
> the average guy. Hell, who wants to STAND on a longer trip. I always look
> for a seat in the Subway or Max when going that route, yu do, too. For
about
> 300 bux you can get a nice Curry scooter with a bike seat on a pipe, stuck
> on back, so you can scoot in comfort. A dead Curry is easier to drag home
> than a Segway, although I guess yu drag dead Segwayz home like pushing a
> lawnmower??Dragging it up the steps in the Subway, could be a pain? I know
I
> coulda sold the Curry on EVery Max trip we took in PDX to curious fellow
> passengers, that thought it was 'way cool. It Maxed very easy, roll on
roll
> off. Coulda bussed that easy, too. In NYC subwayed, as I do take my Bike
> on the Subway, when rained out or flat tire. Yu can schleppe it through
the
> turnstyle, the Good Folks that run the MTA don't care.
>
> If ya have deep pockets, get one and report back to the List how it
> goes<g>! But put yur EV money in something more conventional, I'd say.
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
> > --
> > John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> > http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
> >
>
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This is probably one of the most kicked around
questions on the list.
People tell you to keep the batteries charged up to
have the most range when you need it, and make them
last longer. You'll also hear that a partial drawdown
doesn't constitute a full, true, "cycle".
People also tell you to draw the batteries down
over a few trips on three consecutive days, so that
the batteries are accustomed to being drawn down, and
that fewer cycles (discharge-recharge) means a longer
life.
As a result, after 4 years of being on the list and
driving an EV, I'm still hesitant on what to do. (;-p
--- Johanna and Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you've only driven a few miles, how long can you
> let the batteries sit
> before charging?
> Our Trojan flooded lead acid batteries can be drawn
> down to 80%. If we only
> draw them down to 95 or 90% and then charge them,
> does that constitute a
> charging cycle?
> Would it be better to keep drawing the batteries
> down the following day and
> then charge them or should they be charged every day
> the car is driven?
>
> Johanna and Stan Soliday
>
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Someone should set up a experiment involving two identical batteries,
automated discharge & charge equipment, and test. Sure, it'd take 3 years to
run, but.. ;-)
S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Charging questions
> This is probably one of the most kicked around
> questions on the list.
> People tell you to keep the batteries charged up to
> have the most range when you need it, and make them
> last longer. You'll also hear that a partial drawdown
> doesn't constitute a full, true, "cycle".
> People also tell you to draw the batteries down
> over a few trips on three consecutive days, so that
> the batteries are accustomed to being drawn down, and
> that fewer cycles (discharge-recharge) means a longer
> life.
> As a result, after 4 years of being on the list and
> driving an EV, I'm still hesitant on what to do. (;-p
>
> --- Johanna and Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you've only driven a few miles, how long can you
> > let the batteries sit
> > before charging?
> > Our Trojan flooded lead acid batteries can be drawn
> > down to 80%. If we only
> > draw them down to 95 or 90% and then charge them,
> > does that constitute a
> > charging cycle?
> > Would it be better to keep drawing the batteries
> > down the following day and
> > then charge them or should they be charged every day
> > the car is driven?
> >
> > Johanna and Stan Soliday
> >
>
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Anybody on the list registered as a manufacturer with EPA or DOT? Looks
like a possibility for a low speed glider. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: little cars without motors.
> www.okaauto.com
>
> The LOW SPEED INCOMPLETE VEHICLE is $3,000 but you MUST be registered as a
manufacturere with EPA, DOT and your state before you can legally purchase
them (3 minimum) and when completed they must confirm to standard 500 for
low speed vehicles (See DOT regulations) MAXIMUM attainable speed MUST be
below 25 MPH or 40 km/h
>
> OKA AUTO USA
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Try this link. Mine works great!
http://www.efi.org/products/power/wattup.html
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From: "Randy Holmquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: 120V kwh meter
> I need to keep track of AC power used by on board chargers and need to
> find a compact kwh meter.
> Preferably not the big glass fronted ones.
> Thanks
> Randy
>
> --
> Canadian Electric Vehicles Ltd.
> PO, Box 616, 1184 Middlegate Rd.
> Errington, British Columbia,
> Canada, V0R 1V0
> Phone: (250) 954-2230
> Fax: (250) 954-2235
> Website: http://www.canev.com
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Manufactures of: "Might-E Truck"
> EV conversion Kits and components
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In its present state, I do not believe the Segway will
have the interest. But this product has been pushed
and PR'd so hard, it is like an unlimited supply of
investment money is making this successful (like
landing on the moon).
As POSTed, the current Segway is heavy, not allowed on
all sidewalks, cumbersome, has a short range, and the
heavy persons who do not want to walk can't use it..
The current version would have to sit outside because
it is too heavy and bulky to move about. If it outside,
how is one to lock it up, or even charge it?
Imagine a version of Segway that is light, foldable
for taking on public transportation or taking up to the
work place, easy and fast to recharge witha 20 mile range,
and then you would have might something.
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When I put the parking brake on, it goes too close to the
floor to hold on steep grades, and my brake pedal goes to
the floor to engage. Time for new pads.
To get a price on jsut to the pads to knows the costs if
I get a quote from a service center, I went to a Kragen's
auto store.
They asked my if my 1985 S-10 Blazer was a 4 cyl or a 6.
Would there be two different brake pads that would fitt
on the same wheel?
I would assume the 6 cyl would be a bigger or beefier
pad, I would want that for the added weight of my conversion.
The helpful young man told me they did not offer an organic
pad, but did offer a 2 year pad or a metal pad with a
life time warrentee.
I need some advise on replacement brake pads.
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This message is for Intel contacts who know of the EV
charging at their Santa Clara site. I need to talk to
them, so please contact me.
...
Sidebar: I got the call and I impressed the contract
company agent. I have two more hoops of fire to jump
through before I could be a temp worker at that site,
so please put me in your prayers.
I would need to secure EV charging, to use for the
commute. I hope I can use my PFC-50 with the AVCON
ics-200 they have in their parking structure ...
but first I gots to get da job ...
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Semi metallic work great for heavier vehicles (aka EV app)
4cyl might have smaller brake components (not a place to skimp)
never tried the organic pads. figured I wouldn't be eating them anyway ;)
BinSJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Bruce EVangel Parmenter
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: gimme a brake ...
When I put the parking brake on, it goes too close to the
floor to hold on steep grades, and my brake pedal goes to
the floor to engage. Time for new pads.
To get a price on jsut to the pads to knows the costs if
I get a quote from a service center, I went to a Kragen's
auto store.
They asked my if my 1985 S-10 Blazer was a 4 cyl or a 6.
Would there be two different brake pads that would fitt
on the same wheel?
I would assume the 6 cyl would be a bigger or beefier
pad, I would want that for the added weight of my conversion.
The helpful young man told me they did not offer an organic
pad, but did offer a 2 year pad or a metal pad with a
life time warrentee.
I need some advise on replacement brake pads.
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EVLN(ZAP's 3x performance batt forward-looking statements)-long
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Press Release Source: ZAP
New ZAP Battery Triples Charge of Electronic Cars
Monday January 6, 8:12 am ET
SEBASTOPOL, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6,
2003--Electronic transportation developer ZAP -
today announced plans to unveil a new technology that
appears to triple the performance of today's battery-powered
vehicles.
ZAP also expects to unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic car
that would utilize the new charge technology during Las
Vegas' annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES), January 9-13,
which hosts 100,000 annual attendees from 100 countries.
Lead-acid batteries have been the conventional power source
in electric vehicles since the 1800s, but ZAP says the
technology unveiled today could offer over three times the
performance, meaning it could improve the range of ZAP's
electronic cars from 60 miles with today's lead-acid
batteries to more than 200 miles using the new technology.
ZAP CEO Steve Schneider calls the new technology unveiled
today the "Holy Grail" for this industry, saying that
billions of dollars have been spent in recent years by
government and industry to find ways of reducing automotive
emissions by developing new battery technologies. However,
many experts conclude that battery-powered transportation
will never offer the convenience of conventional internal
combustion vehicles. Others favor fuel-cell technology,
although there has not been a commercial fuel cell available
to date.
Research shows that electronic cars using off-the-shelf
technology produce 90 percent less emissions, even counting
the emissions from power plants. Millions of electronic cars
could be recharged during nighttime hours using surplus
off-peak electricity. Electronic transport can also take
advantage of renewable energy, like solar, wind, and
hydroelectric energy.
"I have personally experienced the performance of this new
technology and look forward to sharing it with our
customers," said Schneider. "We expect third-party testing
to confirm the energy capabilities shortly. But to help
illustrate the performance, we believe this technology will
enable you to drive your brand new ZAP car from San
Francisco to Los Angeles with only a one-hour stop to
recharge and have lunch."
ZAP compared the characteristics of the new technology with
today's lead-acid batteries, saying the new technology more
than triples the performance (See Table 1 below).
Schneider was named CEO of ZAP in October following the
company's merger with two automotive marketing companies.
Five years ago Schneider founded his company Voltage
Vehicles to establish a distribution network for electronic
transport through the independent auto dealer network and
entrepreneurs who open their own ZAP Outlets. His dealership
in Fulton, California is a model of this retail strategy and
Schneider says he is showing at CES to find partners
interested in expanding distribution. Under the merger,
Voltage Vehicles is a wholly owned subsidiary of ZAP.
Publicly owned ZAP was founded in 1994 and is recognized as
a world leader in creating a market for electronic
transport. The Company has delivered vehicles to thousands
of customers all over the world. ZAP stands for Zero Air
Pollution. For more information, go to
http://www.zapworld.com or call 800-251-4555.
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Table 1 -- Battery Characteristics
Range Energy (Whr/kl) Power (W/kg) Cycles
Lead-acid 60 miles 35 150 500
ZAP Technology 240 miles 200 400 1000
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Contact: ZAP Alex Campbell, 707/824-4150 ext. 241
[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.zapworld.com Source: ZAP
[ http://zapworld.com/ ]
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http://www.zapworld.com/news/ces010203.htm
ZAP to Unveil Electronic Cars at CES
SEBASTOPOL, Calif. (January 2, 2002) ? ZAP the Northern
California pioneer in electric bicycles and scooters, will
unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic automobile January 9 at
the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas, the
world?s largest consumer technologies event with more than
100,000 annual attendees from over 100 countries.
ZAP says it will also be unveiling a new technology that
appears to triple the performance of battery-powered
automobiles.
Voltage Vehicles, a subsidiary of ZAP, has signed an
exclusive agreement with a European-based group of companies
involved in the design and manufacturing of electric
automobiles. The group has started production on several
different types of light electric utility vehicles for urban
transportation and commercial use. A representative from the
European group, Riccardo Coles, says they are working with
ZAP to launch their initial sales in North America.
We feel the timing for electric cars is now,? said Coles.
?There has never been more of a need throughout the world
for clean transportation technologies. According to air
quality studies, pure electrics are much more efficient and
produce much less pollution than other technologies,
including the new hybrids. We looked throughout the world
for the best way to launch our new cars and decided that the
USA is the right place and ZAP is the right company. We
believe that ZAP has a recognizable brand in this industry
and the right distribution strategy.?
Coles added that the group of companies he represents is
forming a new car company that will focus on electronic
propulsion technologies. All of the companies, says Coles,
have experience in making traditional automobiles. One of
them, Studio Linia 2 of Torino, Italy, has designed some of
the most famous brands of Italian automobiles.
Through its subsidiary Voltage Vehicles, ZAP is working to
establish a distribution network for its electronic
transport in the independent auto dealer market as well as
ZAP Outlets for entrepreneurs. Voltage Vehicles has licensed
for the distribution of vehicles from a number of different
vehicle manufacturers.
The first car available under the venture is a 25 MPH
neighborhood electric car. The venture also includes
freeway-capable cars, vans, pickups, and
<http://www.zapworld.com/news/images/babyluv.jpg> commercial
vehicles. ZAP?s new neighborhood car is a compact 2-door
with climate controls and all the equipment and features of
conventional automobiles. The car utilizes several
innovations in electronic propulsion design and engineering.
For example, the instrumentation for the car can be accessed
via a control pad on the steering wheel.
ZAP?s announcement today includes plans for a new commercial
vehicle that can be built in different configurations for
use in construction, agriculture and excavation. One of the
designs includes a backhoe and loader and Company officials
say the new electric excavator offers a new experience
compared to internal-combustion.
Eight hours on a quiet pollution-free backhoe with no engine
vibration is like relaxing or playing an arcade game, not
like work,? said ZAP CEO Steve Schneider. ?Electric drive
technology is almost silent so it can eliminate noise
restrictions and extend working hours to around-the-clock
production. Whether in suburban areas or high density city
locations, contractors can meet time sensitive deadlines
without noise regulation.?
For purchasing information, call 800-251-4555 or visit
http://www.zapworld.com.
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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http://www.zapworld.com/news/maces.htm
Electronic Transport ZAP!s CES
Technology Expo Jan. 9 in Las Vegas
WHEN
January 9 - 12, 2003
WHERE
CES - International Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas,
Nevada, 1000 annual attendees from 100 countries
(www.cesweb.org)
ZAP Electronic Transport Pavilion, Booth No. 31277, South
Hall Las Vegas Convention Center, also selected for lobby
exhibition.
WHAT
New line of ZAP electronic cars, including
freeway-capable, commercial and low-speed cars.
New ZAP technology that triples performance of electronic
transport.
New products (electric bikes, scooters, water scooters and
more).
WHO
Steven M. Schneider, Chief Executive Officer, ZAP, 20-year
veteran of automotive sales and marketing, recently named
CEO
ZAP (www.zapworld.com), a worldwide leader in electronic
transport, helped pioneer the market for electric bicycles
and scooters
WHY
Electronic transport is the best way to power our daily
transportation.
ZAP is one of the only publicly owned companies in the
world focused primarily on electronic transport
technologies.
ZAP (Zero Air Pollution), a market leader for electronic
bicycles and scooters, is expanding to electronic
automobiles
INFO
For further information, contact:
Alex Campbell, ZAP, (707) 824-4150 x 241 email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit www.zapworld.com
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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