EV Digest 2516
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Segway interest
by "Prasad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) 110v AVCON Adapter
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: gimme a brake ...
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EVLN(ZAP's 3x performance batt forward-looking statements)-long
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: 110v AVCON Adapter
by Mason Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EVLN(ZAP's 3x performance batt forward-looking statements)-long
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Charging questions
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: gimme a brake ...
by Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: EV digest 2515
by William Korthof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) FW: [RAV4_EV] New Rav4EV discussion group
by "Tom Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Segway interest
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Charging questions
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Charging questions
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Segway interest
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: 110v AVCON Adapter
by Jon Knepher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Only if I had the cash......would buy it and fix it to my bicycle!!!! Trailer 'on' or
'off'!!! I weigh nearly 210lbs and
dont like standing.....prefer biking!!
Prasad
http://www.geocities.com/aquariangenius
http://members.fortunecity.com/aquariangenius
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Segway interest
In its present state, I do not believe the Segway will
have the interest. But this product has been pushed
and PR'd so hard, it is like an unlimited supply of
investment money is making this successful (like
landing on the moon).
As POSTed, the current Segway is heavy, not allowed on
all sidewalks, cumbersome, has a short range, and the
heavy persons who do not want to walk can't use it..
The current version would have to sit outside because
it is too heavy and bulky to move about. If it outside,
how is one to lock it up, or even charge it?
Imagine a version of Segway that is light, foldable
for taking on public transportation or taking up to the
work place, easy and fast to recharge witha 20 mile range,
and then you would have might something.
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Here's another question regarding the AVCON:
Can I run one of those AVCON adapter boxes and only use one of the hots?
My charger is 110v but can draw 30A.
I use a NEMA 14-50 receptacle in my garage- but only one of the hots is
connected in my charge cord.
Just wondering...and hoping...
J. Marvin Campbell
Culver City, CA
on 1/7/03 2:11 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Bachus Kohler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: 110VAC AVCON Plug
>
>
> Does anyone know the manufacturer of the 110 VAC to AVCON adapter that Honda
> used with their EV PLUS?
> Thanks,
> Marc Kohler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
> I need some advise on replacement brake pads.
Soon after I got my truck, the front brakes were in need of replacement
pads. From the local parts store I went with the "heavy duty" instead of
"regular" (not sure of material) that they claimed would outlast the
car. Of course with heavy EV and no regen I wore them out in a couple of
years and generated a lot of brake dust that kept the front wheels
looking ugly.
Last year I put in "TITANIUM ti" pads that are supposed to be even more
heavy duty. So far have generated a lot less dust as promised, too early
to tell the life span. About $30 at JC Whitney.
Since then I have also heard of Ceramic pads for severe duty use. No
first-hand experience. About $45 at JC Whitney.
Good luck on the job.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
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sounds to good to be true (hope it is true ) . They don't give a lot of
details "new technology"
dose not tell me much. If I came up with a battery like that I wouldn't be
doing anything but selling them and let others make the cars. What if the
battery cost 100 times what they do now .at 10 times the price of golf cart
I'd probable use 1/2 as many as 30 to 60 miles is really all I need and that
would give me 90 miles . I guess what bug's me about any talk of better
batters is 1 it never happens 2 it seem to always say what we have now is
not good enough. What if we never took the lead out of gas or paint because
it didn't stop all pollution. I may dream of better batteries in my sleep
but when awake I only believe in what we have which to me looks like it
works fine.
----- Original Message ----- > SEBASTOPOL, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6,
> 2003--Electronic transportation developer ZAP -
> today announced plans to unveil a new technology that
> appears to triple the performance of today's battery-powered
> vehicles.
>
> ZAP also expects to unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic car
> that would utilize the new charge technology during Las
> Vegas' annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES), January 9-13,
> which hosts 100,000 annual attendees from 100 countries.
>
> Lead-acid batteries have been the conventional power source
> in electric vehicles since the 1800s, but ZAP says the
> technology unveiled today could offer over three times the
> performance, meaning it could improve the range of ZAP's
> electronic cars from 60 miles with today's lead-acid
> batteries to more than 200 miles using the new technology.
>
> ZAP CEO Steve Schneider calls the new technology unveiled
> today the "Holy Grail" for this industry, saying that
> billions of dollars have been spent in recent years by
> government and industry to find ways of reducing automotive
> emissions by developing new battery technologies. However,
> many experts conclude that battery-powered transportation
> will never offer the convenience of conventional internal
> combustion vehicles. Others favor fuel-cell technology,
> although there has not been a commercial fuel cell available
> to date.
>
> Research shows that electronic cars using off-the-shelf
> technology produce 90 percent less emissions, even counting
> the emissions from power plants. Millions of electronic cars
> could be recharged during nighttime hours using surplus
> off-peak electricity. Electronic transport can also take
> advantage of renewable energy, like solar, wind, and
> hydroelectric energy.
>
> "I have personally experienced the performance of this new
> technology and look forward to sharing it with our
> customers," said Schneider. "We expect third-party testing
> to confirm the energy capabilities shortly. But to help
> illustrate the performance, we believe this technology will
> enable you to drive your brand new ZAP car from San
> Francisco to Los Angeles with only a one-hour stop to
> recharge and have lunch."
>
> ZAP compared the characteristics of the new technology with
> today's lead-acid batteries, saying the new technology more
> than triples the performance (See Table 1 below).
>
> Schneider was named CEO of ZAP in October following the
> company's merger with two automotive marketing companies.
> Five years ago Schneider founded his company Voltage
> Vehicles to establish a distribution network for electronic
> transport through the independent auto dealer network and
> entrepreneurs who open their own ZAP Outlets. His dealership
> in Fulton, California is a model of this retail strategy and
> Schneider says he is showing at CES to find partners
> interested in expanding distribution. Under the merger,
> Voltage Vehicles is a wholly owned subsidiary of ZAP.
>
> Publicly owned ZAP was founded in 1994 and is recognized as
> a world leader in creating a market for electronic
> transport. The Company has delivered vehicles to thousands
> of customers all over the world. ZAP stands for Zero Air
> Pollution. For more information, go to
> http://www.zapworld.com or call 800-251-4555.
> -0-
> Table 1 -- Battery Characteristics
> Range Energy (Whr/kl) Power (W/kg) Cycles
> Lead-acid 60 miles 35 150 500
> ZAP Technology 240 miles 200 400 1000
>
> Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
> to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
> Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
> such forward-looking statements involve risks and
> uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
> acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
> competition for the Company, new products and technological
> changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
> suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
> detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
> filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
> Contact: ZAP Alex Campbell, 707/824-4150 ext. 241
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.zapworld.com Source: ZAP
> [ http://zapworld.com/ ]
>
> ===
>
> http://www.zapworld.com/news/ces010203.htm
> ZAP to Unveil Electronic Cars at CES
>
> SEBASTOPOL, Calif. (January 2, 2002) ? ZAP the Northern
> California pioneer in electric bicycles and scooters, will
> unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic automobile January 9 at
> the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas, the
> world?s largest consumer technologies event with more than
> 100,000 annual attendees from over 100 countries.
>
> ZAP says it will also be unveiling a new technology that
> appears to triple the performance of battery-powered
> automobiles.
>
> Voltage Vehicles, a subsidiary of ZAP, has signed an
> exclusive agreement with a European-based group of companies
> involved in the design and manufacturing of electric
> automobiles. The group has started production on several
> different types of light electric utility vehicles for urban
> transportation and commercial use. A representative from the
> European group, Riccardo Coles, says they are working with
> ZAP to launch their initial sales in North America.
>
> We feel the timing for electric cars is now,? said Coles.
> ?There has never been more of a need throughout the world
> for clean transportation technologies. According to air
> quality studies, pure electrics are much more efficient and
> produce much less pollution than other technologies,
> including the new hybrids. We looked throughout the world
> for the best way to launch our new cars and decided that the
> USA is the right place and ZAP is the right company. We
> believe that ZAP has a recognizable brand in this industry
> and the right distribution strategy.?
>
> Coles added that the group of companies he represents is
> forming a new car company that will focus on electronic
> propulsion technologies. All of the companies, says Coles,
> have experience in making traditional automobiles. One of
> them, Studio Linia 2 of Torino, Italy, has designed some of
> the most famous brands of Italian automobiles.
>
> Through its subsidiary Voltage Vehicles, ZAP is working to
> establish a distribution network for its electronic
> transport in the independent auto dealer market as well as
> ZAP Outlets for entrepreneurs. Voltage Vehicles has licensed
> for the distribution of vehicles from a number of different
> vehicle manufacturers.
>
> The first car available under the venture is a 25 MPH
> neighborhood electric car. The venture also includes
> freeway-capable cars, vans, pickups, and
> <http://www.zapworld.com/news/images/babyluv.jpg> commercial
> vehicles. ZAP?s new neighborhood car is a compact 2-door
> with climate controls and all the equipment and features of
> conventional automobiles. The car utilizes several
> innovations in electronic propulsion design and engineering.
> For example, the instrumentation for the car can be accessed
> via a control pad on the steering wheel.
>
> ZAP?s announcement today includes plans for a new commercial
> vehicle that can be built in different configurations for
> use in construction, agriculture and excavation. One of the
> designs includes a backhoe and loader and Company officials
> say the new electric excavator offers a new experience
> compared to internal-combustion.
>
> Eight hours on a quiet pollution-free backhoe with no engine
> vibration is like relaxing or playing an arcade game, not
> like work,? said ZAP CEO Steve Schneider. ?Electric drive
> technology is almost silent so it can eliminate noise
> restrictions and extend working hours to around-the-clock
> production. Whether in suburban areas or high density city
> locations, contractors can meet time sensitive deadlines
> without noise regulation.?
>
> For purchasing information, call 800-251-4555 or visit
> http://www.zapworld.com.
>
> Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
> to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
> Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
> such forward-looking statements involve risks and
> uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
> acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
> competition for the Company, new products and technological
> changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
> suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
> detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
> filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
>
> ===
>
> http://www.zapworld.com/news/maces.htm
> Electronic Transport ZAP!s CES
> Technology Expo Jan. 9 in Las Vegas
>
> WHEN
> January 9 - 12, 2003
>
> WHERE
> CES - International Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas,
> Nevada, 1000 annual attendees from 100 countries
> (www.cesweb.org)
>
> ZAP Electronic Transport Pavilion, Booth No. 31277, South
> Hall Las Vegas Convention Center, also selected for lobby
> exhibition.
>
> WHAT
> New line of ZAP electronic cars, including
> freeway-capable, commercial and low-speed cars.
>
> New ZAP technology that triples performance of electronic
> transport.
>
> New products (electric bikes, scooters, water scooters and
> more).
>
> WHO
> Steven M. Schneider, Chief Executive Officer, ZAP, 20-year
> veteran of automotive sales and marketing, recently named
> CEO
>
> ZAP (www.zapworld.com), a worldwide leader in electronic
> transport, helped pioneer the market for electric bicycles
> and scooters
>
> WHY
> Electronic transport is the best way to power our daily
> transportation.
>
> ZAP is one of the only publicly owned companies in the
> world focused primarily on electronic transport
> technologies.
>
> ZAP (Zero Air Pollution), a market leader for electronic
> bicycles and scooters, is expanding to electronic
> automobiles
>
> INFO
> For further information, contact:
> Alex Campbell, ZAP, (707) 824-4150 x 241 email:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit www.zapworld.com
> Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
> to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
> Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
> such forward-looking statements involve risks and
> uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
> acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
> competition for the Company, new products and technological
> changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
> suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
> detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
> filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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+ Can I run one of those AVCON adapter boxes and only use one of the hots?
My understanding is that the AVCON units normally do not supply a
neutral at the output connector, so there's no way to get 110 from one
of the hots unless you use ground (not good). You can do it, but
you're going to need to use a big transformer in conjunction with the
adapter box.
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Any insiders have information about the 'ZAP' battery?
Is this Lithium Ion or Zinc Cells?
I guess I should be patient and wait until Jan 9 when
they introduce the vehicle.
Does anybody have a link for real time video at the conference?
Rod
Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
EVLN(ZAP's 3x performance batt forward-looking statements)-long
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Press Release Source: ZAP
New ZAP Battery Triples Charge of Electronic Cars
Monday January 6, 8:12 am ET
SEBASTOPOL, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6,
2003--Electronic transportation developer ZAP -
today announced plans to unveil a new technology that
appears to triple the performance of today's battery-powered
vehicles.
ZAP also expects to unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic car
that would utilize the new charge technology during Las
Vegas' annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES), January 9-13,
which hosts 100,000 annual attendees from 100 countries.
Lead-acid batteries have been the conventional power source
in electric vehicles since the 1800s, but ZAP says the
technology unveiled today could offer over three times the
performance, meaning it could improve the range of ZAP's
electronic cars from 60 miles with today's lead-acid
batteries to more than 200 miles using the new technology.
ZAP CEO Steve Schneider calls the new technology unveiled
today the "Holy Grail" for this industry, saying that
billions of dollars have been spent in recent years by
government and industry to find ways of reducing automotive
emissions by developing new battery technologies. However,
many experts conclude that battery-powered transportation
will never offer the convenience of conventional internal
combustion vehicles. Others favor fuel-cell technology,
although there has not been a commercial fuel cell available
to date.
Research shows that electronic cars using off-the-shelf
technology produce 90 percent less emissions, even counting
the emissions from power plants. Millions of electronic cars
could be recharged during nighttime hours using surplus
off-peak electricity. Electronic transport can also take
advantage of renewable energy, like solar, wind, and
hydroelectric energy.
"I have personally experienced the performance of this new
technology and look forward to sharing it with our
customers," said Schneider. "We expect third-party testing
to confirm the energy capabilities shortly. But to help
illustrate the performance, we believe this technology will
enable you to drive your brand new ZAP car from San
Francisco to Los Angeles with only a one-hour stop to
recharge and have lunch."
ZAP compared the characteristics of the new technology with
today's lead-acid batteries, saying the new technology more
than triples the performance (See Table 1 below).
Schneider was named CEO of ZAP in October following the
company's merger with two automotive marketing companies.
Five years ago Schneider founded his company Voltage
Vehicles to establish a distribution network for electronic
transport through the independent auto dealer network and
entrepreneurs who open their own ZAP Outlets. His dealership
in Fulton, California is a model of this retail strategy and
Schneider says he is showing at CES to find partners
interested in expanding distribution. Under the merger,
Voltage Vehicles is a wholly owned subsidiary of ZAP.
Publicly owned ZAP was founded in 1994 and is recognized as
a world leader in creating a market for electronic
transport. The Company has delivered vehicles to thousands
of customers all over the world. ZAP stands for Zero Air
Pollution. For more information, go to
http://www.zapworld.com or call 800-251-4555.
-0-
Table 1 -- Battery Characteristics
Range Energy (Whr/kl) Power (W/kg) Cycles
Lead-acid 60 miles 35 150 500
ZAP Technology 240 miles 200 400 1000
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Contact: ZAP Alex Campbell, 707/824-4150 ext. 241
[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.zapworld.com Source: ZAP
[ http://zapworld.com/ ]
===
http://www.zapworld.com/news/ces010203.htm
ZAP to Unveil Electronic Cars at CES
SEBASTOPOL, Calif. (January 2, 2002) ? ZAP the Northern
California pioneer in electric bicycles and scooters, will
unveil a new ZAP brand of electronic automobile January 9 at
the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas, the
world?s largest consumer technologies event with more than
100,000 annual attendees from over 100 countries.
ZAP says it will also be unveiling a new technology that
appears to triple the performance of battery-powered
automobiles.
Voltage Vehicles, a subsidiary of ZAP, has signed an
exclusive agreement with a European-based group of companies
involved in the design and manufacturing of electric
automobiles. The group has started production on several
different types of light electric utility vehicles for urban
transportation and commercial use. A representative from the
European group, Riccardo Coles, says they are working with
ZAP to launch their initial sales in North America.
We feel the timing for electric cars is now,? said Coles.
?There has never been more of a need throughout the world
for clean transportation technologies. According to air
quality studies, pure electrics are much more efficient and
produce much less pollution than other technologies,
including the new hybrids. We looked throughout the world
for the best way to launch our new cars and decided that the
USA is the right place and ZAP is the right company. We
believe that ZAP has a recognizable brand in this industry
and the right distribution strategy.?
Coles added that the group of companies he represents is
forming a new car company that will focus on electronic
propulsion technologies. All of the companies, says Coles,
have experience in making traditional automobiles. One of
them, Studio Linia 2 of Torino, Italy, has designed some of
the most famous brands of Italian automobiles.
Through its subsidiary Voltage Vehicles, ZAP is working to
establish a distribution network for its electronic
transport in the independent auto dealer market as well as
ZAP Outlets for entrepreneurs. Voltage Vehicles has licensed
for the distribution of vehicles from a number of different
vehicle manufacturers.
The first car available under the venture is a 25 MPH
neighborhood electric car. The venture also includes
freeway-capable cars, vans, pickups, and
<http://www.zapworld.com/news/images/babyluv.jpg> commercial
vehicles. ZAP?s new neighborhood car is a compact 2-door
with climate controls and all the equipment and features of
conventional automobiles. The car utilizes several
innovations in electronic propulsion design and engineering.
For example, the instrumentation for the car can be accessed
via a control pad on the steering wheel.
ZAP?s announcement today includes plans for a new commercial
vehicle that can be built in different configurations for
use in construction, agriculture and excavation. One of the
designs includes a backhoe and loader and Company officials
say the new electric excavator offers a new experience
compared to internal-combustion.
Eight hours on a quiet pollution-free backhoe with no engine
vibration is like relaxing or playing an arcade game, not
like work,? said ZAP CEO Steve Schneider. ?Electric drive
technology is almost silent so it can eliminate noise
restrictions and extend working hours to around-the-clock
production. Whether in suburban areas or high density city
locations, contractors can meet time sensitive deadlines
without noise regulation.?
For purchasing information, call 800-251-4555 or visit
http://www.zapworld.com.
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
===
http://www.zapworld.com/news/maces.htm
Electronic Transport ZAP!s CES
Technology Expo Jan. 9 in Las Vegas
WHEN
January 9 - 12, 2003
WHERE
CES - International Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas,
Nevada, 1000 annual attendees from 100 countries
(www.cesweb.org)
ZAP Electronic Transport Pavilion, Booth No. 31277, South
Hall Las Vegas Convention Center, also selected for lobby
exhibition.
WHAT
New line of ZAP electronic cars, including
freeway-capable, commercial and low-speed cars.
New ZAP technology that triples performance of electronic
transport.
New products (electric bikes, scooters, water scooters and
more).
WHO
Steven M. Schneider, Chief Executive Officer, ZAP, 20-year
veteran of automotive sales and marketing, recently named
CEO
ZAP (www.zapworld.com), a worldwide leader in electronic
transport, helped pioneer the market for electric bicycles
and scooters
WHY
Electronic transport is the best way to power our daily
transportation.
ZAP is one of the only publicly owned companies in the
world focused primarily on electronic transport
technologies.
ZAP (Zero Air Pollution), a market leader for electronic
bicycles and scooters, is expanding to electronic
automobiles
INFO
For further information, contact:
Alex Campbell, ZAP, (707) 824-4150 x 241 email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit www.zapworld.com
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant
to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that
such forward-looking statements involve risks and
uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued
acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels of
competition for the Company, new products and technological
changes, the Company's dependence upon third-party
suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks
detailed from time to time in the Company's periodic reports
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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Has anybody had the worst (bad boy )and the best BMS (? ) in the same car
and gone through two sets of batteries ?. What was the difference in miles?
I have been forwarding a lot of the Battery info to the people driving my
conversions and they all think I'm nuts. Now they are all using Golf cart
batteries and they all do put water in there batteries but that pretty much
it . In my work truck I have a 11 position switch and can look at and
charge any 2 (2x6=12v) batteries off a solar panel . The batts are a year
old and stay to my surprise with in .05 volts of each other (except for the
2 that the E-meter runs off of and I can see that they have been damaged buy
this BAD SETUP which I highly do not recommend ,get a dc/dc converter to
run the meter).When I first hooded it up I have noticed this . The batteries
at the most neg end of the string seem to be .025v lower and the other end
.025 higher (except the two running the meter .25v lower that the rest) . I
have found that leaving the solar panel on for 5 to 10 min is all that's
needed to put the low ones higher that the high ones. For me It's a lot of
fun flipping around and looking at each batteries voltage at different times
of charge discharge . But I am a little worried that somebody thinking of
going electric will feel that taking care of the batteries is going to be to
big a job. So lets here from some of the folks that don't take care of your
batteries with such zeal . It's kind of a guy thing like changing the oil
ever 1000 miles so the motor last 200,000 miles . For a lot of people
driving the car is about all there going to do to it and 100,000 miles is
all they'll get and there fine with them.
How about this for a batteries plan (BMS) . build a new car once a year ,
put you'll one year old batteries in it and sell it . Let the nebee learn
on your well broken in pack and with all the money (ha ha ) get a new pack
and take the wife out to dinner.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon "Sheer" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Charging questions
> Someone should set up a experiment involving two identical batteries,
> automated discharge & charge equipment, and test. Sure, it'd take 3 years
to
> run, but.. ;-)
>
> S.
>
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> From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Charging questions
>
>
> > This is probably one of the most kicked around
> > questions on the list.
> > People tell you to keep the batteries charged up to
> > have the most range when you need it, and make them
> > last longer. You'll also hear that a partial drawdown
> > doesn't constitute a full, true, "cycle".
> > People also tell you to draw the batteries down
> > over a few trips on three consecutive days, so that
> > the batteries are accustomed to being drawn down, and
> > that fewer cycles (discharge-recharge) means a longer
> > life.
> > As a result, after 4 years of being on the list and
> > driving an EV, I'm still hesitant on what to do. (;-p
> >
> > --- Johanna and Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you've only driven a few miles, how long can you
> > > let the batteries sit
> > > before charging?
> > > Our Trojan flooded lead acid batteries can be drawn
> > > down to 80%. If we only
> > > draw them down to 95 or 90% and then charge them,
> > > does that constitute a
> > > charging cycle?
> > > Would it be better to keep drawing the batteries
> > > down the following day and
> > > then charge them or should they be charged every day
> > > the car is driven?
> > >
> > > Johanna and Stan Soliday
> > >
> >
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On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 01:05, Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
> They asked my if my 1985 S-10 Blazer was a 4 cyl or a 6.
> Would there be two different brake pads that would fitt
> on the same wheel?
>
> I would assume the 6 cyl would be a bigger or beefier
> pad, I would want that for the added weight of my conversion.
Have him look up both. You may be surprised to find the same part
number. Most of the "helpful" people at parts stores now days can only
look up parts from a database. Those databases are "drill-down" from
the car model, and not the part type, and you must give some seemingly
un-related information to get to the parts level of the query. I once
had to say if my car had A/C or not to get tie-rod ends (I was so
surprised that I made them look up both just to check, and the part
numbers were exactly the same).
If the pads are different for 4 or 6 cyl., it would most likely be
related to a difference in wheel, disk, or drum diameter - in this case
the 6 cyl. pads could not be placed on the 4 cyl. Blazer. In this case
(different part numbers), have them pull both and compare them side by
side to verify.
That's from my "shadetree mechanic" experience. Since I have never
worked on a Blazer, and auto manufacturers always surprise me with their
design decisions, your experience may be different.
TTFN,
Lonnie Borntreger
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3) 110VAC AVCON Plug
by "Andrea Bachus Kohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Does anyone know the manufacturer of the 110 VAC to AVCON adapter that Honda
used with their EV PLUS?
Thanks,
Marc Kohler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCI made those 120 volt adapters that Honda included with the EV Plus.
Rather than go that route though, why not just buy a standard cord from
Avcon and put a 120 volt plug on the end? The price would be much lower
and the conductors are larger #10 Ga (vs 16 Ga).
/wk
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Segway has lobbied all the state legislatures to pass special laws so
the Segway can be driven anywhere. Of course, the laws don't explicitly
mention Segway. The law passed in Minnesota says a "2-wheeled non-tandem
self-balancing" vehicle can be driven anywhere pedestrians can go; on
streets, sidewalks, bike trails, in buildings; and that no helmet, no
license, no registration, and no age limits on it use.
I teach a class at my local elementary school on building electric
vehicles (part of the BEST program, see <http://www.bestoutreach.org>.
My 6th graders got very excited about this law, and are building their
own version of a Segway.
So far they have 3 working models. One (inspired by Bob Schneeviess) has
two very large wheels, left and right. A chair hangs from the axle of
these large wheels, with the battery and motors underneath it. They
drive the left and/or right motors to move and steer.
A second is similar, but with smaller bike-sized wheels. They put the
chair in front of the axle, and battery and motors behind it as a
counterbalance. They then hang dead weight underneath to maintain
stability.
The third uses two very wide tires, like rollers. Imagine a 4-wheeled
car, but with only a front left and rear right back wheels. The width of
the wheels keeps it upright.
It's going to be very interesting to see which design they pick, and how
the full-size vehicle turns out. It would be delightful if a bunck of
kids with a $100 budget turn out a vehicle when Dean Kamen says he spent
$100 million to do it! :-)
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Bob Bath wrote:
> This is probably one of the most kicked around
> questions on the list.
> People tell you to keep the batteries charged up to
> have the most range when you need it, and make them
> last longer. You'll also hear that a partial drawdown
> doesn't constitute a full, true, "cycle".
> People also tell you to draw the batteries down
> over a few trips on three consecutive days, so that
> the batteries are accustomed to being drawn down, and
> that fewer cycles (discharge-recharge) means a longer
> life.
> As a result, after 4 years of being on the list and
> driving an EV, I'm still hesitant on what to do. (;-p
It is said that a man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two
watches isn't sure.
It's the same with battery advice. All of your statements are true, to
varying degrees. You only run into conflicts if you try to take them as
absolutely true under all circumstances.
You can sum it up as, "The deeper you discharge your batteries, the
sooner you should recharge them."
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Jon "Sheer" Pullen wrote:
> Someone should set up a experiment involving two identical
> batteries, automated discharge & charge equipment, and test.
> Sure, it'd take 3 years to run, but.. ;-)
That was the whole point of my "Databug" idea (published a while back).
Build a very cheap data logger that permanently mounts on the battery.
Get hundreds of them out in the field, in real EVs. Gather the data, and
look for what works and what doesn't.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
> Imagine a version of Segway that is light, foldable
> for taking on public transportation or taking up to the
> work place, easy and fast to recharge witha 20 mile range,
> and then you would have might something.
Our local PBS station ran a program called "Normal For Us" which was a
documentary about the Miller twins and their amazing motorized
wheelchairs. A Google search on the web will get you some reference
information.
The Miller twins are quadriplegics; they have a form of muscular
distrophy, and have only limited use of their heads and hands. They live
in Alaska in a rural area, where normal electric wheelchairs would be
nearly useless because of the terrain. So, their parents built them
special motorized wheelchairs.
In effect, they are a cross between a Segway and a wheelchair. There are
two wheels, left and right, using turf-saver tires like you see on lawn
tractors. There is a third castor "tailwheel" that it lands on when not
moving.
The chair part is on a lift, so it can be driven up and down. When fully
down, the seat is essentially at ground level, so the girls can reach
things on the floor. When up, it puts them at eye level with adults,
giving them access to things on shelves, light switches etc.
The chair also moves forward and backward. Since the batteries are
behind the axle, and the occupant ahead of it, this is how it balances
on two wheels.
It doesn't use any fancy gyros or computers; just straightforward
mechanical and electrical devices. And it works! The girls attend normal
schools, and do everything and go anywhere regular kids go.
Something like this looks like a vastly better use of the Segway
technology. But the way things work today, Segway would probably sue
them if the Millers tried to market their wheelchair.
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Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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> Here's another question regarding the AVCON:
> Can I run one of those AVCON adapter boxes and only use one of the hots?
> My charger is 110v but can draw 30A.
> I use a NEMA 14-50 receptacle in my garage- but only one of the hots is
> connected in my charge cord.
> Just wondering...and hoping...
> J. Marvin Campbell
> Culver City, CA
No. You must pull power symetrically from the two hots. There is no neutral,
and you cannot move any current through the saftey ground. You will need to
use a 240VAC charger, or a transformer of some sort to make 120 out of the 208-
240 without a neutral (pretty heavy). The charger is very sensitive to Ground
Fault, so any current through the ground will send the charger into 'service
required' disconnect. I have sucessfully used a 240<->120 isolation
transformer, but it is about 100 lbs.
Jon
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