EV Digest 2533
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Toyota pulls a Honda and kills RAV4 EV
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Battery heaters
by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Battery heaters (was: Evercel MB80's won't fit!)
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Battery heaters
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Single cell regulators
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Single cell regulators
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Single cell regulators
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: New Corbins
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Korthof charging
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Battery heaters
by "Kevin Coughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(Freeway EVs have been replaced by nEVs, $14k ZENN)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EVLN(Florida nEVs powered for pennies)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Reva looks at mini buses, city taxis)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(EVI Mexican Edelivery vans & Honolulu Airport Etrams)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Zero EV fees in Dallas EPA clean-air plan funding)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(LA boy on electric scooter vs ICE)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Battery heaters
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) tango in popular science
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: cut-n-crimp
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: New EV Project
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 13 Jan 2003 at 10:51, Otmar wrote:
> Funny, I don't see any limitations on Co2.
Oh, no, you couldn't have THAT. Setting CO2 standards would be regulating
fuel efficiency, and states aren't allowed to do THAT.
Never mind the fact that
(1) Setting CO2 standards ^isn't^ regulating fuel efficiency, and
(2) Why shouldn't states be allowed to regulate fuel efficiency?
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In the Omega product, the heat is not generated in the wires, they act
as a bus. There is a conductive plastic with + temp coefficient in the
gap between the wires, this is where the heat is generated. When the
temp and resistance is high, the current goes through the copper. When
cold, the plastic partially shorts the conductors and self-heats.
Still, it's susceptible to the first part of the cable draining all the
current and heat if the thermal load permits it. You'd want to stick to
shorter paralleled runs. It does not look like it has a tight min bend
radius anyway, you'd have to terminate it and go around corners (or
parallel them) with regular wire.
It may also get way hotter than you'd like, as Joe S pointed out. You
have no control over the "gain" of the system. If the control is poor,
you may end up increasing the temperature variations across the battery
string, though the batts would certainly be warmer.
- GT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Tikhonov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Battery heaters
>
>
> John Lussmyer wrote:
> >
> > At 06:03 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Victor Tikhonov stated:
> > >Self-regulating wire won't maintain the same temperature
> for all the
> > >batteries if, say, some behind front grille get cooled off
> more than
> > >those in the cabin. It may yield about the same current
> (better than
> > >nothing), but no active temp control.
> >
> > I don't think you are thinking of the same heat cable as I
> am. This
> > active heating element resistance goes up with temperature. So as
> > things get hotter, it heats less. This tends to maintain a stable
> > temperature. Since it's the actual material of the cable that does
> > this, one piece of it can be sucking the amps, while 3" away it's
> > already hot enough and is nearly idle.
>
> Huh? The current through any wire (including this cable) is
> identical at any point by definition, whether it includes
> regions of higher resistance or not. When one small region
> getting hotter current *through all* the cable is reduced,
> but is the same at any crossection point.
>
> Victor
>
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At 09:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Lee Hart wrote:
John Lussmyer wrote:
> I will need to figure out some way of switching the heat cable off
> during charging -- as I'm pretty sure the extra current draw would
> confuse the Zivan.
Get or make a current sensing relay. When the Zivan draws curernt, it
pulls in the relay, whose contact turns off the heater.
Actually the Zivan already has a relay output, I just have to get a relay
that can switch 200VDC at a max inrush of about 2A. (and wire it up of
course).
Though I am seriously considering hooking up this nice PFC-20 I have instead...
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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At 06:57 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Paul G wrote:
P.S. - John, I think you have about the best heater for the situation. I
may buy some to heat my own batteries.
I still have extra cable I'm willing to sell.
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Since I'm working with AGM batteries that have external interconnects,
and since there's only 24v worth of them, what options are available
for regulating them on a cell-by-cell basis? Can the Rudman regs be
modified for single-cell voltage, or is there another way to approach
the issue?
I'd be happy to build regulators myself, either from scratch using
veroboard or with PCBs and a parts list, but I don't know enough to
design them.
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Lesley Walker
Geek girl, back at work after the holidays.
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"Do you like cat?"
"Yes, I quite like cats."
"Leg or breast?"
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If you are working with a single cell, a Rudman style regulator is overkill
and the current design won't work because there must be at least 4 volts to
turn on the output transistor.
You can build a regulator similar to a Batpro with a few simple components.
The big question is how much current does it need to bypass. If you want it
to bypass only two amps, the size of the heat sink can be fairly reasonable.
More amps needs more heat sink.
Do you want to build them yourself (maybe from a kit) or assembled and
tested?
Do you want a Regbus to control a charger?
Do you want undervoltage detect? With memory?
Lots of questions need to be answered before a product emerges.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: Single cell regulators
> Since I'm working with AGM batteries that have external interconnects,
> and since there's only 24v worth of them, what options are available
> for regulating them on a cell-by-cell basis? Can the Rudman regs be
> modified for single-cell voltage, or is there another way to approach
> the issue?
>
> I'd be happy to build regulators myself, either from scratch using
> veroboard or with PCBs and a parts list, but I don't know enough to
> design them.
>
> --
> Lesley Walker
> Geek girl, back at work after the holidays.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Do you like cat?"
> "Yes, I quite like cats."
> "Leg or breast?"
> --- Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
>
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Joe Smalley wrote:
> The big question is how much current does it need to bypass.
> If you want it
> to bypass only two amps, the size of the heat sink can be
> fairly reasonable.
> More amps needs more heat sink.
As of right now, less than two amps - I haven't done anything about a
real charger yet, I'm still working with a cheapo automotive charger
and add-on regulator and the most I saw on the meter was about 1.9A
(this was recharging from maybe 25%DOD)
> Do you want to build them yourself (maybe from a kit) or assembled and
> tested?
I can build and test them myself.
> Do you want a Regbus to control a charger?
The charger is not capable of being controlled except by the off switch.
Pardon my ignorance, what's a Regbus, and what's a Batpro?
> Do you want undervoltage detect? With memory?
I hadn't thought about that. Probably not, since this whole pack is a
temporary measure and we'll be using different batteries, yet to be
chosen, when we get closer to the event (it's still a year away).
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Lesley Walker
Geek girl
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"[Hybrid electric vehicles] are self-sustaining,
as long as you keep putting gas in the tank."
--- James R. Healey, USA Today
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Round trip or one way? Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: New Corbins
> Hi all,
>
> I just got this message in my e-mail. I almost shorted out my computer as
I
> was drooling on the keyboard.
>
> It sounds almost too good to be true, But I'm thinking of doing it.
>
> Those of you who own Corbins I'd like some advice.
>
> Currntly, I commute about 14 miles to work. About 3-4 miles of that is in
a 55
> mile zone, the rest is 35-45 zones.
>
> I have access to 110 recharging at work.
>
> I know the corbin would be fine with this schedule, but I have just
purchased a
> piece of land that we hope to build a house on. The commute will be about
36
> miles almost all highway speeds.
> Since it will likely take me a couple of years or so to pay for this baby,
> should I do it or would it put too much stress on the corbin?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
>
>
> Happy New Year !!!
>
>
>
> Great News!! Corbin has resumed work on their remaining Sparrow 1
designed
> vehicles. Of these remaining vehicles, twenty are available for sale.
These
> vehicle will have the new A/C motor and Smart battery charging system. If
you
> are interested in one of these Birds or our demonstrator model, please
give us
> a call or email us ASAP.
>
> Lawrence Long
> Environmental Motors
> Glendale, California
> (818)244-BIRD (2473)
> www.environmentalmotors.com
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William is the one who paved the way for long distance runs
in a production EV, and he ought to write a book on it. Sure,
others have done long distance runs, but William has the
reputation, and a long success record at doing this.
I have seen ol' time EVrs have them, but I have not been so
bold to use "Mr. Alligator Clips" and "Mrs. Circuit breaker".
While I may have shown fast high powered charging can
repeatedly be done, William has the long distance EV driving
method down, and we should document his style for everyone to
learn and use.
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Refresh my memory again on this wire..... what voltage is it taking and what
maximum temp? I'm thinking something like this stuff, underneath the nylon
flooring of the outside doghouse, would make it a nice place for the canines
when they are outside and the weather turns crappy.
KC
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From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Battery heaters
> At 06:57 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Paul G wrote:
> >P.S. - John, I think you have about the best heater for the situation. I
> >may buy some to heat my own batteries.
>
> I still have extra cable I'm willing to sell.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
>
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134614842_zenn14.html
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 12:00 a.m. Pacific
Low-speed electric autos ready to shift to high gear
By John O'Dell Los Angeles Times
The major automakers may have abandoned the full-service,
battery-powered electric vehicle as they pursue development
of hydrogen-powered cars with electricity-generating fuel
cells. But battery power isn't completely gone.
It's just that the vehicle designed to carry up to five
people and move at freeway speeds for 80 to 100 miles or
more between charges has been replaced ? for now ? by the
neighborhood electric vehicle, or NEV.
By definition, an NEV is a low-speed electric vehicle that
looks like a slightly oversize golf cart and has a top speed
of 25 mph.
NEVs, which can run from $6,000 to $14,000, have two or four
seats and are legal only on roads with posted speed limits
of 35 mph or less. They are legal in most states.
The vehicles seem to be creating an industry in which small
players can compete with giants such as General Motors and
DaimlerChrysler. At least that's what entrepreneurs such as
Ian Clifford are banking on.
Clifford is founder and president of Toronto-based Feel Good
Cars, which has launched a line of full-bodied, low-speed
NEVs under the ZENN (it stands for Zero Emission No Noise)
brand name.
In this case, "full-bodied" means they have complete bodies,
like regular cars, with roofs, doors and power windows.
Clifford has big plans for Feel Good and ZENN, including a
city car capable of doing 40 mph that would be fully
certified under U.S. and Canadian crash-safety standards.
(NEVs don't have to meet those standards.) But back to the
ZENN car.
Clifford figures Feel Good can compete with GM and Chrysler
because the giants are selling cartlike vehicles, but the
ZENN, at least visually, is a small version of a regular
car. Its composite body has been used in Europe for 15 years
on micro-cars that use small motorcycle engines.
Feel Good has not set pricing, but Clifford said it would be
about $14,000.
The ZENN neighborhood electric also has locking doors, power
windows, air conditioning, heater, rear-window defroster,
radio with cassette and CD players, and a rear cargo area
accessible through a vanlike door. There's even remote
keyless entry. The seats have padded head restraints and a
three-point safety belt system, and all four wheels have
disc brakes.
"You have to look at what the others are marketing, and you
can see that there's a place for us," Clifford said last
month at the Electric Drive Transportation Association
annual trade show in Hollywood, Fla.
"Our car is a car for the urban market. I've been driving
one in downtown Toronto for the past eight months, and we've
found that the average speed during business hours is 17
mph," he said. "The car isn't at a disadvantage in that kind
of slow traffic, and it is small, agile and easy to park."
Range on the ZENN neighborhood car is 30 to 40 miles. Its
lead-acid batteries recharge fully in six hours on regular
110-volt household current.
So far, Clifford has not found Southern California to be a
receptive market. He figures that the car will win more
acceptance in urban centers such as Toronto, Chicago and San
Francisco.
Feel Good, he said, can build up to 10,000 cars a year. "For
GM, that's a failure, but for us it's a $150 million
business, and a success."
He expects to begin retail sales next month with 30
dealerships in the U.S. and has signed his first deal with a
dealer outside Detroit.
Feel Good wasn't the only new NEV builder to show its wares
at the trade show: Rivals included ZAP, the Northern
California EV and electric-scooter company hoping for a
post-Chapter 11 bankruptcy comeback; BigMan E.V. out of
Edmond, Okla.; and Dynasty Electric Car of Vancouver, B.C.,
which has reorganized after a round of financial troubles.
Of the Big Three, the only one to take NEVs to the Florida
trade show was DaimlerChrysler, which owns a company in
North Dakota called Global Electric Motorcars, or GEM, and
is the only major automaker to insist there is a real market
out there for the cars.
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Powered with pennies
New Palm City dealer touts environmental benefits of a new
line of electric vehicles costing as little as $8,500.
By Robin Pollack staff writer January 13, 2003
PALM CITY -- Imagine owning a new Lamborghini, a pricey and
high-status Italian car.
Now, imagine paying only $15,000 for it.
Treasure Coast residents can indeed buy such an inexpensive
Lamborghini -- an electric-powered one, that is.
It's part of the fleet at Florida Electric Vehicles, a new
Palm City company that's banking on a relatively new,
non-polluting transportation alternative called Neighborhood
Electric Vehicles (NEV).
An NEV can travel up to 25 mph, and is charged by plugging
it into a 110-volt outlet for about six hours. It runs on
several batteries, and costs about 50 cents daily to
operate. It has safety features like headlights, turn
signals, parking brakes, side and rear-view mirrors and seat
belts. Some even boast CD players.
Florida Electric Vehicles, founded by Tom Newman of Boca
Raton, opened last month in a temporary showroom in Palm
City's Sands Industrial Center. Plans are to move to a new
6,800-square-foot showroom and offices along Martin Highway
in March, and double its staff of four, said Charles
MacCallum, vice president and sales manager.
The dealer will stock about 40 NEVs that cost $8,500 to
$18,000, said MacCallum, who lives in PGA Village in St.
Lucie County. Four lines will be offered that are
manufactured by Lamborghini, the Lafayette County Car Co.,
Dynasty Motors and Adiamo Motors, the latter founded by Lee
Iacocca, the former chief executive at Chrysler.
One fully enclosed, hardtop model at the dealer's current
site strongly resembles a Volkswagen Beetle. The open-air
models, which come with snap-on fabric covers, look like
funky, futuristic golf carts.
NEVs, which don't have heat or air-conditioning, are
expected to be most popular in Florida and California, said
Jennifer Watts with the Electric Vehicle Association of the
Americas.
"Florida is a great market for them: the climate is
suitable, the population is there at universities and gated
communities, and tourists can use them," Watts said. For
instance, a Key West company rents NEVs to downtown
visitors.
Watts said her agency doesn't have figures on national NEV
sales.
The vehicles, which can go 35 to 40 miles on one charge and
are legal to operate on roads with posted speed limits of up
to 35 mph, are perfect for use as second cars for short
trips to the local supermarket or school, said MacCallum.
They also are used as security vehicles in industrial plants
and as golf carts.
However, unlike golf carts, NEVs are legal for travel on
public roads in more than 30 states. They were recognized as
vehicles in 1998 by the National Highway Transportation
Safety Administration. The electric cars have vehicle
identification numbers, and must be licensed and insured.
"There are 300 golf carts on Jupiter Island, but they are
not street legal, so they can't go across Bridge Road to get
to Publix," MacCallum said. "A Neighborhood Electric Vehicle
can."
The vehicles require little maintenance, said Robert
Sheffler, parts and service manager for the dealer. They
don't need oil changes, radiation coolant, emissions checks
or other traditional maintenance associated with
automobiles. Their batteries must be changed about every
three years, he said.
They are designed for use in residential areas with
low-density traffic and low speed zones. As a result, they
don't have steel-reinforced doors or bumpers like
gasoline-powered automobiles, Sheffler said.
The push for electric cars grew out of persistent air
pollution in the Los Angeles basin, which led California to
support the use of zero-emissions vehicles. They first were
used by residents of gated communities.
"It doesn't cause pollution, it's quiet and it's pretty
snappy-looking," MacCallum said. "It's an environmentally
nice vehicle. It's the future."
The local dealer originally projected $1.2 million in sales
this year. MacCallum said it could take two years to show a
profit.
"We're very optimistic, but we understand this is a very new
product, so we won't be concerned if we don't make it to
that figure," he said. "Since we don't have a history of
selling these, this first year is going to be a trial period
for us."
So far, the dealer has sold four NEVs. Its distribution area
stretches from Vero Beach to Key West.
"If we're successful, we'll expand to other areas, like the
west coast of Florida or possibly the Panhandle," MacCallum
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Reva looks at mini buses, city taxis
Sanjay K Pillai in Chennai
Published : January 14, 2003
The Bangalore-based Reva Electric Car Company manufacturers
of the first on-road electric car in India, is looking at
developing more models to add to its portfolio of products.
Reva is also slated to achieve cash break even from an
operational point of view in the current fiscal, according
to a senior official of the company.
Chetan Maini, managing director, Reva Electric, said the
company was looking at developing niche products that will
address the city mobility market in the medium term.
In the next two years we are looking at developing products
such as mini-buses and city taxis on the same electric
platform,? Maini said.
The company has so far been able to sell about 400 units of
its electric car ?Reva? and expects to close the current
financial year with domestic sales of about 1000 units.
Reva has also tied up with Going Green plc of UK, which will
import about 1,000 units during the current fiscal for sale,
lease and rental purposes in the country, Maini said.
An electric car makes lot of sense in a city like London. In
central London they charge five pounds per day for parking,
but if you were to use an electric car, there are no
charges,? Maini said.
Maini also said by February the company would have received
certification allowing sales of its car in Europe.
In Europe each component has to certified before the car can
be sold and we expect the process of certification to be
over by next month,? he said. Reva, Maini said expects to
achieve operational break even in the current fiscal.
The company has invested about Rs 80 crore into the entire
project and has been able to indigenise about 950 parts out
of a total of around 1,000 parts that go into the car.
The company imports the tubeless tyres, electric motors,
motor controllers, chargers, and chips required for running
the car.
The Reva has two onboard computers and an sophisticated
energy management software system which controls the running
of the car.
Today 50 per cent of our costs are technology costs and in
the technology area prices of processors, batteries, motors
are all coming down alongside improved performance. We
expect to pass on the benefits of such cost reductions in
technology related inputs to our future customers next
year.?
Reva, Maini revealed, was working on a larger more efficient
electric motor which would be more powerful and yet
cheaper.
The company which recently introduced an air-conditioned
version of the Reva will be appointing dealers across the
country and will have a presence across 20 cities by the end
of the year. The company has at present dealers in Delhi,
Bangalore, Chennai, Jodhpur and Goa.
The company has also recently introduced a convertible model
of the Reva alongside offering a unique maintenance package
to its customers.
Reva is offering a package of free insurance, maintenance,
free car during service time, and free repair to customers
in the first year for a charge of Rs 7,000 and Rs 13,000 per
annum from the second year onwards.
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Interest due on EVI loan Publication date: Sunday,
January 5, 2003 BY KEN de la BASTIDE Senior Reporter
After landing a new investor, along with two existing
orders, Electric Vehicle International is making payments on
its outstanding debt with the City of Anderson.
Ron Harris, director of the Anderson Community Development
Department, sent EVI officials a letter in December
reminding them of an upcoming interest payment on two loans
and requesting that monthly payments begin.
EVI agreed to pay Anderson $5,000 per month toward the old
debt.
A $10,000 check was delivered to the Community Development
offices on Tuesday to cover the November and December
payments.
Harris said the monthly payments will be used by the
department on projects in Anderson.
Last August, EVI officials delivered a $122,000 payment on
the principal due on a $1 million loan from the U.S. Housing
and Urban Development Department.
A $27,000 interest payment is due Jan. 31.
The company still owes Anderson $208,900 on missed payments
to HUD and $250,000 on a loan from the Economic Development
Department.
Bill Hardacre, president and CEO of EVI, said the monthly
payments will continue.
"We got a little behind, but now we're getting some cash
flow," he said from Florida on Friday. "The interest payment
will be made on time."
Hardacre said the company employs approximately 20 people.
EVI has a $5.4 million contract to construct 170 electric
delivery vans for a Mexican pharmaceutical company and a
$2.4 million contract for electric-powered trams for
Honolulu International Airport.
"We have delivered 30 vans to Mexico with another five
scheduled to be shipped in a few weeks," he said. "The first
power car will be delivered to Hawaii by the end of the
month.
"Everything is running smoothly," said Hardacre.
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News: Dallas Morning News Stories
Last-ditch effort to fund clean-air plan EPA ready to
intervene if lawmakers can't find way to cut emissions
01/13/2003 By RANDY LEE LOFTIS / The Dallas Morning News
It might seem like a small thing ? an extra dollar on a
hotel bill ? but on such seeming trifles the health of
millions of Texans rises or falls.
Because some legislators objected in 2001 to that and other
proposed taxes and fees, lawmakers went scrambling for other
ways to pay for a pollution-cutting incentive plan. The
solution they seized upon ? charging new residents $225 to
bring a car into Texas ? turned out to be a turkey, legally
speaking. So this year they'll have to go hunting again as
the Legislature convenes Tuesday in Austin.
If lawmakers don't find a solution, the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency says it's ready to reject the Houston and
Dallas-Fort Worth smog strategies. That could jeopardize
federal highway money, lead to a federal takeover of Texas
smog efforts and force Texans to keep breathing acrid
ozone.
The members of the Texas Clean Air Working Group ? local
governments and business and environmental groups from the
Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, Austin and San Antonio areas ?
have a squad of 60 lobbyists ready to make sure that
legislators understand what's at stake.
Recovery mission
The program Mr. Harris and others are trying to salvage, the
Texas Emissions Reduction Plan, was itself a salvage effort.
The Legislature passed it in 2001 to replace pollution cuts
that were lost when the state scrapped two controversial
smog-fighting proposals.
The clean-air plans for Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston had
sought to limit morning operating hours for construction and
industrial equipment and to force companies to speed up
replacement of older, dirtier diesel engines with newer,
cleaner ones. But industry objections scuttled those ideas,
so officials had to find other ways to cut at least 35 tons
a day of smog-causing nitrogen oxides.
Under the substitute strategy, the state would collect taxes
and fees that would help offset businesses' costs for
voluntarily replacing older diesel equipment. Some money
would also provide rebates to individuals who buy
clean-running cars ? a part of the program that hasn't taken
effect yet.
The program also set up new efforts for energy efficiency
and environmental technology.
If a solution isn't found soon, a loss of U.S. highway funds
could result.
Backers first proposed to fund the program ? $137 million
the first year, with like amounts until it expired after
five years ? with 10 percent of income from commercial
vehicle registrations, plus new taxes on construction
equipment and on-road diesel vehicles. They also proposed a
handful of small fee increases, ranging from 50 cents to $5,
on car and boat registrations, vehicle inspections, driver's
licenses, taxi fares and other activities.
One was a $1-a-night tax on hotel bills. It was the biggest
single source of money for the plan ? a projected $53
million in the first year ? but in a late-night revolt,
House members stripped it out, saying room taxes were
already too high and some constituents wouldn't be able to
afford vacations if it passed.
Rather than pass a bill with too little money, legislators
raised the fee that new Texas residents pay at their first
Texas vehicle inspection to $225, up from just $1. After
Gov. Rick Perry signed the bill into law, however, car
dealers sued and got the new fee declared unconstitutional.
That left $20.5 million for the first year instead of $137
million ? with just a dribble of pollution cuts to show for
the effort.
'Nothing is off the table'
The shortfall means the program now needs $188 million a
year for the next four years, said Robert Huston, chairman
of the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the
state's environmental agency.
Without that money and the resulting pollution cuts, Mr.
Huston said, the EPA is certain to carry out its vow to
reject the Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston smog plans this
year. "We don't argue with that position that the EPA has
taken, because they are right," he said.
The Legislature might trim Mr. Huston's request a bit,
focusing the money where it would do the most good, said
House environmental regulation committee chairman Warren
Chisum. But the Republican from Pampa predicted that even a
worsening state budget gap ? as high as $10 billion ?
wouldn't keep lawmakers from funding clean air.
"Nothing is off the table," said Mr. Chisum ? except, he
added, a hotel-motel tax. The program's advisory panel,
which Mr. Chisum chairs, struck the bed tax from its list of
recommendations.
He is backing, among other things, a $5 environmental impact
fee on every internal-combustion engine over 50 horsepower.
The comptroller's office hasn't said how much that might
raise, but Mr. Chisum said it might provide most of the
program's needs.
It has the added virtues, he said, of charging everyone the
same amount and being small and simple ? so simple that
retailers might sell state engine stickers along with
lottery tickets.
"Keep the fees low," Mr. Chisum said, "and spread them
around."
More registration fees?
Environmentalists also are keen to get the program funded,
but they would rather see the burden shifted to the
equipment and fuels that put out the most pollution. Their
proposal would add an average of $11 to the cost of
registering a car in Texas, starting with 2004 models.
New fees would range from zero for pollution-free vehicles
such as electric ones, to $22 for gas-hungry trucks and
SUVs, said Tom "Smitty" Smith, Texas director of the
consumer and environmental group Public Citizen. The
proposal also would tie fees on diesel fuel to the amount of
polluting sulfur it contains.
"We've proposed raising fees on the vehicles that cause the
problem, and on the stuff in diesel fuel that causes the
problem ? the sulfur," Mr. Smith said.
Rep. Steve Wolens, the program's House sponsor during the
last session, said putting a flat $10 fee on every motor
vehicle would be the easiest way. "But it will never pass,"
the Dallas Democrat said. Instead, he favors a handful of
smaller fees.
The trick, Mr. Wolens said, will be to tap those sources
while getting around resistance to new taxes. That might
mean calling them fees or surcharges.
"You can call them hamburgers if you want to," Mr. Wolens
said. "It is important to the state of Texas to have a
vibrant economic climate and a healthy one. We need to get
rid of the haze on the Dallas skyline."
Whatever the final proposal, the program's backers say
they'll monitor the political mood, lest a last-minute
glitch derail the plan again. When the House changed the
funding in 2001, it was near midnight on a Monday ? with Mr.
Wolens standing virtually alone to save the money, and with
influential backers such as Mr. Harris, the Collin County
judge, 200 miles away.
"I said [later], 'Where were you guys?' " Mr. Wolens said.
Mr. Harris said that wouldn't happen this time.
"There's a real awareness of the need to get this done," he
said.
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Article Last Updated: Sunday, January 12, 2003 -
11:14:32 PM MST Boy critical after being hit by car
A 3- year-old boy riding an electric scooter was struck by a
car Sunday in the 4700 block of Benham Avenue.
Marco Ruiz was left in critical condition and placed on life
support at Childrens Hospital Los Angeles, said Baldwin Park
Sgt. Melissa Stehly.
Ruiz was not wearing a helmet when he rode the motorized
scooter out of a driveway into the street, where he was
struck by the car about 3 p.m., Stehly said.
The speed of the car and the whereabouts of the parents when
the crash happened were not available.
Police are investigating the crash. -- Jason Kosareff
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I have them though I really don't use them but a few cold
Silicon Valley mornings.
See http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Battery+heaters
You need to have a thermostat to control the heaters,
else you will overheat and cook the pack.
90 degrees F is what I set my pack to. This leaves enough
of a window to let the pack rise if I do fast charges
and discharges on a trip, and not reach the 110 F limit.
I have found I need two separate breakered outlets.
One for the charger and one for the heaters.
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I saw the tango in Popular Science . Just a little "2 article on page 16 .
got the price a $150,000 . If somebody wanted to make a statement to the
big car companies buying on of these would do it . anybody that thinks
that's to high a price for an ev should remember that having a arm or leg
blown off fighting for oil will not make cheap gas seem like a deal. I guess
if we blow the arms and legs off the people who have the oil so we can get
it that's O.K. (not) . Been working on the air conditioning for the EV
Mazda in hopes of getting one gas burning American into an EV so I'm not in
the best frame of mind ( (I have never felt lake I needed AC in my EV so I
am doing it just to please some gas Brunner who down the road probable won't
use it if the buy it ) . It is one of the thing people ask of . Must we
always give them what they want. ?? "I couldn't drive a car with out air
conditioning" !@#$ A heater would be what I would like .
Steve Clunn
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Yes, Trojan is a drag when it comes to the post scene. When I
ordered my T125s at Battery Services (I think that's the place in
SF, without looking at my notes), Battery Services had to convert
my posts for me. Since I had decided to switch over to SAE
automotive posts (just the round stump), the original posts were
removed or subsumed (I don't know which, never watched the
process). This process came out ...fairly... well, but I'm not
entirely happy. The person that did it mangled a few of the
battery tops, and I have one post leaking pretty bad, and one or
two others that "think" about it. Also, we had to do a lot of
post grinding to clean up the posts, some of which tipped this
way and that. It is for this reason alone that I will quite
likely be going back to US batteries once this Trojan pack wears
out.
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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From: Nawaz Qureshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: cut-n-crimp
> Hi Shari:
>
> I am a bit confused. USBMC supplies any post you order. There
is a BIG
> difference between our "L" posts and the "S" "wannabe" posts
you describe.
> We just supply what the customer orders and all of the pictures
of the
> posts we offer are on our spec. sheet. BTW, there is large "L"
and a
> small "L" available also. Both of the "L" posts are quite
different from
> the "S" post which is preferred by some applications. Trojan's
only
> offer is the low profile, cheap, stud post for golf cars only
which
> cannot carry the sustained relatively high currents required by
EV's,
> without melting down.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Nawaz Qureshi
>
>
>
> Electro Automotive wrote:
>
> >
> >> Batteries now come as 'universal posts' unless you pay extra
> >> and wait.
> >
> >
> > I assume you mean "L" posts from Trojan? Last I heard,
Trojan didn't
> > want to do "L" posts at all, so I guess this is an
improvement. Last
> > I heard, US Battery would supply them by special order, so
there was a
> > short wait, but no extra charge. We just had 96V worth
delivered
> > here. Took about a week, no extra charge. They even
supplied the
> > nuts and bolts, and the battery lifter.
> >
> >> These are a funky half-n-half wannbe battery
> >> posts. They aren't quite a round post because the center is
> >> cut away to be flat with a hole through it.
> >
> >
> > This is not a true universal post, then. This is what US
Battery
> > calls a dual purpose S post.
> >
> >
> > Shari Prange
> > Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113
Telephone
> > 831-429-1989
> > http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos *
Since 1979
> >
> >
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Hi Lawrence and All,.
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't totally agree with Tom. He is right if you
> leave it as is. But if
> you use a full faring and I mean a full fairing
> covering the whole bike it
> shouldn't be hard to do it at 48v as long as the
> hills aren't too bad and
> you only want to go about 60mph. I have a fairing
> that will work and only
> needs 3hp to push it 60 mph. Lawrence Rhodes....
Fairings are needed to do anything over 45 mph
with any range.
The fairing only needs to come past the driver
and gently turning the air back toward the rear center
then cut it off cleanly. As long as the rear is in the
cone of the most aft body angle it will have no aero
drag from drafting.
Doing this and keeping forward fairing area as
low as possible should keep problems of side gusts
from wind or semi's low.
I would not build one too low as being able to
see and be seen is nessesary to not be killed on
todays hiways. Eye level should be at least 48" high
for safety.
Anyone using a trailer for batts must have brakes
on it!!!!! Motocycles are known for swapping ends and
a trailer with weight will make it happen at a much
lower speed without brakes on the trailer.
Be careful of loanng someone you fairing to make
copies. It's really easy to get the parts glued to
each other reducing both to junk. Only allow
experenced composite people to do it.
Costs are fairly low at composite job shops at
about $6-8/ lbs of part in most cases. At least have
them make the mold from you fairing.
jerry dycus
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