EV Digest 2542
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Tango battery thermal management (was: Aquarium Chillers)
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: New EV on Ebay
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Detroit Doubletalk
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) EV talk
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EV talk
by jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Detroit Doubletalk
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) 34Ah NiCd excel spreadsheet
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EV talk
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(I got along fine, but the public didn't accept EVs)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EVLN(Rancho Mirage library will have an EV charging station)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(Police EV without jumpers supercharges ICE)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Detroit Doubletalk
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EV talk
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Battery Internal resistance
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Detroit Doubletalk
by harsha godavari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Compression Connectors?
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Battery Internal resistance
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Thanks for the connector
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re:OOPS: Thanks for the connector
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Made in Asia
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Seattle EV Calendars - How to order YOURS
by "Steven S. Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Battery Internal resistance
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re:OOPS: Thanks for the connector
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) re: bc-20 problem
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> feed it and keep it going.
>
> >A failed cell interconnect at high current might also do it.
>
> That is one cause for smoke and melt-down, but typically doesn't
> cause a fire.
>
When the molten interconnect melts though the bottom of the case, and
onto the hull of a plastic and wood Hydroplane... Fire DOES result.
It gets real entertaining to drive/coast at 60 miles an hour with
burning things under your knees and Butt.
I won a race once when some OTHER Boat had a fire and the rest of us
all powered down to fight the fire.... I was the first to realise it was
Not me!! I powered up faster than Father time and them got across the
line first.
Graphite Hulls DO conduct 144 VDC!!
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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What a pity i'm not on the good side of the pond, i love it !!!
Philippe
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
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From: "Trotman Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: New EV on Ebay
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6429&item=
> 2400338757&rd=1
>
> Just FYI , it's on the west coast and I'm in VA but I'm still looking.
>
> This 1969 Porsche 912 has been converted to electric. It uses the stock
> 5-speed transaxle adapted to an electric motor. This car is a daily
driver
> and is used for all local errands. Range is about 25 miles depending on
> speed, terrain, and temperature. We drive 55 on the freeway, and can hold
> 48 - 50 mph on the steepest freeway hills. Top speed is about 75 mph. The
> donor car was a 1969 Porsche 912 with 5 speed transmission and non-power
> brakes/steering. Motor is an Advance DC 8" and the Controller is Auburn
600
> amp, Pulse Width Modulation, 15,000 Hz. Batteries are 18 US-125 "golf
Cart"
> 6-volt, 220 Amp Hour. Battery Charger is a 3000 watt Russco using 120
volts
> AC. Total weight if car is 3,020 lbs. (Front = 1,240#, Rear = 1780#) A
> 12-volt "garden tractor" battery is used with a 20 amp Todd DC to DC
> converter for lighting and stereo. Construction Cost was about $9,000
> including the donor car. More details available on request. Best features:
> Good looks, and smooth, reliable, non-polluting, economical, guilt-free
> local transportation
>
>
> Trotman (EV newbee)
>
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If it is true I want one. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:29 AM
Subject: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
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> http://www.nbc11.com/morenews/1909394/detail.html
> Zap Electric Car A Hit In Vegas
> Local Company Makes Affordable Gas Alternative
> Scott Budman
> POSTED: 6:38 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> UPDATED: 6:58 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> LAS VEGAS -- We saw a lot of unusual stuff at this year's
> Consumer Electronics show. We also saw some very cool cars
> -- big cars complete with computers inside, even cars set up
> with video game tailgates.
>
> But, nothing really compares with the chance to drive a new
> Zap car. Completely electric, this is a vehicle to drive us
> to a more energy-efficient future. But even with all that
> efficiency, this car still turns heads.
>
> Zap is a Bay Area company with an eye on the environment.
> Its name stands for "Zero Air Pollution."
>
> Its new battery lets you go anywhere, at a decent speed, for
> about a penny per mile. ZAP CEO Steve Schneider told NBC11's
> Scott Budman, "In a vehicle like the one we're sitting in,
> the car can go 240 miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per
> hour."
>
> Budman reported that that's a lot less money than the
> average driver pays. If you have about $10,000 and a plug
> you can own one too.
>
> Schneider said, "You plug into any simple wall outlet and
> you are ready to go, that's how you charge it."
>
> Electric cars are all the rage these days, Budman said, and
> this is one that won't break the bank while helping you
> break the gasoline habit.
> Copyright 2003 by NBC11.com. All rights reserved.
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I am working on a couple of articles for Home Power on EVs, hybrids, fool
cells, and alt fuels, and ran across this acronym that cracked me
up: PZEV, which stands for "partial zero emissions vehicle".
Partial zero? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I stopped yesterday by the store, and when came back, a lady who
stopped next to my parking spot and read "Battery powered" on my ev,
asked:
Her: How did you make this car electricAL?
Me: Just pulled the engine out and put electric motor and battery in.
Her: Was it difficult to do?
Me: If you do it for the first time, a little difficult.
Her: How's your gas mileage now?
Victor
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Reminds me of this comments I recently received:
"How many D cells does it take?"
:-)
Jon
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> I stopped yesterday by the store, and when came back, a lady who
> stopped next to my parking spot and read "Battery powered" on my ev,
> asked:
>
> Her: How did you make this car electricAL?
> Me: Just pulled the engine out and put electric motor and battery in.
> Her: Was it difficult to do?
> Me: If you do it for the first time, a little difficult.
> Her: How's your gas mileage now?
>
>
> Victor
>
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I think PZEV means that some of the requirements of a ZEV have been
met and partial credit for producing a ZEV can be claimed. PZEV is one
of several "almost a ZEV" caregories. Other categories include: ULEV,
SULEV, TLEV, LEV and ATPZEV.
tOM sHAY ok! WHO'S THE WISE GUY
WHO MESSED WITH MY cAPS lOCK KEY?
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: Detroit Doubletalk
> I am working on a couple of articles for Home Power on EVs, hybrids, fool
> cells, and alt fuels, and ran across this acronym that cracked me
> up: PZEV, which stands for "partial zero emissions vehicle".
>
> Partial zero? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
>
> Shari Prange
> Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone
831-429-1989
> http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
>
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Otmar is the first person to host it so far.
http://www.cafeelectric.com/temp/Nicad-bb600.xls
Thanks Otmar!
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> >
> > Its new battery lets you go anywhere, at a decent speed, for
> > about a penny per mile. ZAP CEO Steve Schneider told NBC11's
> > Scott Budman, "In a vehicle like the one we're sitting in,
> > the car can go 240 miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per
> > hour."
> >
> > Budman reported that that's a lot less money than the
> > average driver pays. If you have about $10,000 and a plug
> > you can own one too.
> >
I wonder if they mean $10k for the batteries
and what's this "decent speed" like 55 is a crime .
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I haven't had anyone say 'how many D cells' since '90's.
When I changed jobs to a different dept., one of the
men handed me a double D cell pack and said, "Here put
this in your glove compartment, encase you get stuck ...".
Everyoe laughed at the joke (his though was if my pack
ran low, I could pop in the D cells for enough miles
to get home). I took the farewell joke with a smile
(back then, nearly no one new anyone who drove Electric).
...
But Victor's experience was from a builder's view.
Since I paid ot have my Blazer converted, I would
and said:
Her: How did you make this car electricAL?
Me: No, you can buy them connverted, or convert them
yourself.
Her: Was it difficult to do?
Me: I paid to have it made Electric, but the women's
racing team converts their own cars.
Her: How's your gas mileage now?
Me: I don't use gas ... (usually I get a frown because I
did not answer the question) ... but it costs half as
much per mile as gasoline.
[then I'd let the conversation go where she wants]
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http://www.irvineworldnews.com/Astories/jan16/campbell2.html
Senate seat on Campbell's agenda
John Campbell, R-Irvine, a newcomer to the political arena,
is attempting to step up the political ladder just two years
after being elected to the state Assembly, a move marked by
his announcement early this month to run for state Senate.
[...]
But not all of Campbell's ideas have panned out. He tried to
create a tax credit proposal for low-emission cars. After
driving an electric car around Irvine for two years, he
admits it didn't catch on. "I got along fine, but the public
didn't accept it."
Campbell has been married to his wife, Catherine, for 23
years and the couple have two children, both of whom attend
public schools in Irvine.
Irvine World News Online Edition
2006 McGaw, Irvine, CA. 92614 949-553-2900
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http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories/local/1042780972.shtml
Library wins approval
Rancho Mirage facility expected to open in 2004
By Jacob Quinn Sanders
The Desert Sun January 17th, 2003
RANCHO MIRAGE -- The discussion featured references to
Martin Luther King Jr., Winston Churchill and Andrew
Carnegie and included a song from 24 Rancho Mirage
Elementary School pupils.
At the end, City Council members unanimously approved the
new Rancho Mirage library -- which library director Tom
Johnson said he hoped would open late next year.
[...]
The schematic design, prepared by Minneapolis library design
consultant Jeffrey Scherer, shows in detail what the city
will buy for its $14.5 million in redevelopment money.
[...]
Parking -- 220 spaces in all -- pools around the building in
three lots, the designs show. Also in the plan, a walking
path through a sculpture garden, a covered drive-up book
return and an electric car-charging station pop up like
islands.
City Manager Patrick Pratt said last week that because the
project?s funding comes from the city?s redevelopment agency
and not its general fund, it will have no effect on local
taxes.
[...]
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http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1088591&nav=23iiDQmJ
New Electric Car Turning Heads at Electronic Shows
You've probably heard the news that a gallon of gas could
soon cost you two dollars. A San Francisco company has an
alternative, drive without any gas and still get around in
style.
---------------------
It was unveiled at this year's consumer electronics show in
Las Vegas.
The new Zap car...completely electric. The company that
makes it says it's the vehicle to drive us to a more energy
efficient future. Zap is a San Francisco company with an
eye on the environment. Its name stands for 'zero air
pollution.' According to the company, its new battery lets
you go anywhere at a decent speed for about a penny per
mile. "In a vehicle like (the Zap car), the car can go 240
miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per hour," says Zap
CEO Steve Schneider.
That's a lot less expensive than what you're driving now,
and if you have about 10,000 dollars, and a plug, you can
own a Zap. "You plug into any simple wall outlet, and
you're ready to go," says Schneider. "That's how you charge
it."
Electric cars may be all the rage one days, but the Zap car
is available today...and doesn't break the bank while
helping you break the gasoline habit.
Click here to visit the Zap Car website.
[ http://www.zapworld.com/new-cars.htm ]
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ZAP Electronic Cars Unveiled
ZAP unveiled new brands of electronic automobiles in January
at CES in Las Vegas, the world's largest consumer
technologies event with more than 100,000 annual attendees.
ZAP announced that Voltage Vehicles, a wholly owned
subsidiary, has signed an exclusive agreement with a
European-based group of companies involved in the design and
manufacture of electronic cars. The group has started
production on several different types of light utility
vehicles for transportation and commercial use, including a
neighborhood car that is now available. A representative
from the European group, Riccardo Coles, says they are
working with ZAP to launch their initial sales in North
America.
"We feel the timing for electric cars is now," said Coles.
"There has never been more of a need throughout the world
for clean transportation technologies. According to air
quality studies, pure electrics are much more efficient and
produce much less pollution than other technologies,
including the new hybrids. We looked throughout the world
for the best way to launch our new cars and decided that the
USA is the right place and ZAP is the right company. We
believe that ZAP has a recognizable brand in this industry
and the right distribution strategy."
Coles added that the group of companies he represents is
forming a new car company that will focus on electronic
propulsion technologies. Coles says all of the companies
have experience in making traditional automobiles. One of
them, Studio Linia 2 of Torino, Italy, has designed some of
the most famous brands of Italian automobiles.
Through its subsidiary Voltage Vehicles ZAP will be working
to establish a distribution network for its electronic
transport in the independent auto dealer market. Voltage
Vehicles has licensed for the distribution of vehicles from
a number of different vehicle manufacturers.
"Finding a pollution-free way of powering our daily
transportation is the greatest challenge of our times," said
ZAP CEO Steve Schneider. "I believe this partnership will
move us towards this goal."
The first of the vehicles, a neighborhood electronic car, is
now available. The venture also includes an electric van,
pickups, and commercial vehicles.
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http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/5910602p-6873021c.html
R.E. Graswich: This sheriff's deputy plays it cool, calm --
and with lots of tact
By R.E. Graswich -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PST Friday, January 17, 2003
Civil obedience: In the tight world of cops, [...]
Power up: Our correspondent doesn't want her name mentioned.
She's embarrassed. She left her lights on while shopping at
Osaka Ya on 10th Street. Drained the battery. Looking for a
jump-start, she found Greg McCrae parked nearby. "He had an
electric car, so he didn't have jumpers," our correspondent
said. "But he agreed to plug his supercharger into my
battery, if we could find an electrical outlet on 10th
Street." They ran a cord through the snow-cone window at
Osaka Ya. "In no time, my battery was working," our
correspondent said. Greg wouldn't take a gift but suggested
our friend trade her gas-burning red Honda for an electric
car. And she just might -- if it comes with a snow-cone
window.
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On 17 Jan 2003 at 15:16, Electro Automotive wrote:
> "partial zero emissions vehicle".
>
> Partial zero? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
No, no. See, "partial zero" means a fraction of zero. So it's a vehicle that emits
LESS than zero pollution. In fact, it ABSORBS smog.
And when your PZEV is all full of smog, you take it to a smog station. There
they have smog pumps that accept credit cards. You put a smog pump hose in
the smog tank, and that sucks all the smog out and sends it back to the smog
company -- you know, British Pollution, Exxon Smudge, and Shell Haze. Then
they just put into the ground. Just like the car companies, they're real
environmental heroes!
That's why PZEVs are great for the state, the country, and the world. Much
better than those old fashioned, obsolete ZEVs. So if you still have a ZEV, be
sure to trade up to a brand new PZEV today!
David Roden
Akron OH USA
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come up, just like the flowers.
Charlie Brown: Now Lucy, I know that's wrong. Snow doesn't come up -- it
comes down!
Lucy: Charlie Brown, AFTER the snow comes up, the wind blows it around so it
LOOKS like it's coming down. But actually it comes up out of the ground, just
like the grass. Snow comes up, Charlie Brown. Snow comes up!
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On 17 Jan 2003 at 16:44, jon wrote:
> "How many D cells does it take?"
When I had my Comuta-Car, I bought two 4-cell plastic flashlight cell
holders from an electronic parts store. I wired them to a hunk of zip cord,
filled 'em up, tied the free end of the zip cord to something under the dash
of the car, and chucked them on the shelf under the dash (the one that used
to hold a charger in the old Citicars).
When someone asked the inevitable question, "Does it ^really^ run on
batteries?" I'd pull out the battery holders and show him. Some folks
actually believed me. It's amazing how poor science education is these
days.
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How do you go about measuring the internal resistance of a battery? I
don't think it's good to hook up you Ohm Meter across a battery. :-) Or
to short the battery and measure the max Amperage.
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Live Long and Prosper Lil Abner!
:-)
hg.
"David Roden (Akron OH USA)" wrote:
>
> On 17 Jan 2003 at 15:16, Electro Automotive wrote:
>
> > "partial zero emissions vehicle".
> >
> > Partial zero? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
>
> No, no. See, "partial zero" means a fraction of zero. So it's a vehicle that emits
> LESS than zero pollution. In fact, it ABSORBS smog.
>
> And when your PZEV is all full of smog, you take it to a smog station. There
> they have smog pumps that accept credit cards. You put a smog pump hose in
> the smog tank, and that sucks all the smog out and sends it back to the smog
> company -- you know, British Pollution, Exxon Smudge, and Shell Haze. Then
> they just put into the ground. Just like the car companies, they're real
> environmental heroes!
>
> That's why PZEVs are great for the state, the country, and the world. Much
> better than those old fashioned, obsolete ZEVs. So if you still have a ZEV, be
> sure to trade up to a brand new PZEV today!
>
> David Roden
> Akron OH USA
>
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>
> War is peace
> Freedom is slavery
> Ignorance is strength
>
> -- George Orwell, "1984"
>
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>
> Lucy: And when it's cold, and winter is upon us, they [the stars] make the snow
> come up, just like the flowers.
>
> Charlie Brown: Now Lucy, I know that's wrong. Snow doesn't come up -- it
> comes down!
>
> Lucy: Charlie Brown, AFTER the snow comes up, the wind blows it around so it
> LOOKS like it's coming down. But actually it comes up out of the ground, just
> like the grass. Snow comes up, Charlie Brown. Snow comes up!
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I actually saw this blurb on local KGW Channel 8 news the other night - very
impressive! I thought it was a Tango at first glimpse. They did raise my
eyebrows at the "240 mile on a charge at 70 mph" statement, though. I wish
it were true!
But I doubt that it is.
Joseph H. Strubhar
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:29 AM
Subject: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
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> http://www.nbc11.com/morenews/1909394/detail.html
> Zap Electric Car A Hit In Vegas
> Local Company Makes Affordable Gas Alternative
> Scott Budman
> POSTED: 6:38 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> UPDATED: 6:58 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> LAS VEGAS -- We saw a lot of unusual stuff at this year's
> Consumer Electronics show. We also saw some very cool cars
> -- big cars complete with computers inside, even cars set up
> with video game tailgates.
>
> But, nothing really compares with the chance to drive a new
> Zap car. Completely electric, this is a vehicle to drive us
> to a more energy-efficient future. But even with all that
> efficiency, this car still turns heads.
>
> Zap is a Bay Area company with an eye on the environment.
> Its name stands for "Zero Air Pollution."
>
> Its new battery lets you go anywhere, at a decent speed, for
> about a penny per mile. ZAP CEO Steve Schneider told NBC11's
> Scott Budman, "In a vehicle like the one we're sitting in,
> the car can go 240 miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per
> hour."
>
> Budman reported that that's a lot less money than the
> average driver pays. If you have about $10,000 and a plug
> you can own one too.
>
> Schneider said, "You plug into any simple wall outlet and
> you are ready to go, that's how you charge it."
>
> Electric cars are all the rage these days, Budman said, and
> this is one that won't break the bank while helping you
> break the gasoline habit.
> Copyright 2003 by NBC11.com. All rights reserved.
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Compression Connectors?
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > With all this crimp/solder crimp+solder talk I was looking at
> > ordering some connectors and saw some compressions connectors
> > for 2/0 from the makers of magnalugs. You would just use two
> > wrenches to tighten/compress the lug to the wire. Has anyone
> > used these? Could they work in very high current?
>
> Yes, they work. The main problem with any type of screw pressure type
> terminal is that water and acid can get into them over time and cause
> corrosion and bad connections.
Lee, I'm not sure that screw-type is what he is talking about. There is a
type of lug out here that has two parts with a pivot on the wire end - when
you tighten the lug onto the stud or bolt or whatever, it squeezes the wire.
I wouldn't use them, as they are made of aluminum, and could cause corrosion
problems if used with copper wire - never mind the acid eating them away!
Joseph H. Strubhar
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hi all -
I thought about this once and you can tell me I'm wrong, but here's
how I'd go about it: assume that your battery is an ideal battery, ie
no voltage sag under load. now also assume that your ideal battery is
in series with a resistor of unknown value - the ideal battery plus
resistor is your actual battery. Now measure your voltage across the
whole thing with no load, then put say a 100 amp load on your battery
and measure the voltage. Do this for a few different currents. now if
you pretend that your ideal battery didn't loose any voltage under
load, then the voltage drop for each current must have been in the
resistor (the battery's internal resistance). now you have a current
through and a voltage across this internal resistor, so resistance is
easy to calculate using Ohm's law. Hope this helps,
Seth
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 08:35 AM, Gordon Niessen wrote:
How do you go about measuring the internal resistance of a battery? I
don't think it's good to hook up you Ohm Meter across a battery. :-)
Or to short the battery and measure the max Amperage.
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Hi Rich.
Thanks for including the Anderson connector with the Reg. The
cheque is in the mail. And thanks for the tip about evparts.com.
Believe it or not, I wasn't aware of them, or if I was, I
forgot. I got all my stuff together from Randy (except for the
charger). Randy puts together a good kit, including lots of
things I wouldn't have thought of, like covers for the battery
posts, labeled heat shrink material, etc. So I haven't had to
buy much.
The electricians are installing a 50 amp outlet in my parking
spot at the condo as we speak. Only 30 miles separates my
project from the outlet. That's a heck of an extension cord;
perhaps I should get going on the outlet I plan to install at the
cottage.
Mike Hoskinson
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As you can see, virtually the same copy (PR) is being reused
for various media outlets. Feel Good Cars is doing the same
thing to promote their ZENN.
When I search, I find several ZAP n ZENN items from various
sources that are basically the same copy.
I wrote to ZAP and asked that they provide more details
and a link to buy their vehicles on the product page.
ZAP is not beyond pulling a BAT, by using wild claims to
get orders.
We need to keep our eye on ZAP's car to see if their claims
ring true.
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Sorry, that was supposed to go to Rich Rudman.
Mike
Michael Hoskinson wrote:
Hi Rich.
Thanks for including the Anderson connector with the Reg. The cheque is
in the mail. And thanks for the tip about evparts.com. Believe it or
not, I wasn't aware of them, or if I was, I forgot. I got all my stuff
together from Randy (except for the charger). Randy puts together a
good kit, including lots of things I wouldn't have thought of, like
covers for the battery posts, labeled heat shrink material, etc. So I
haven't had to buy much.
The electricians are installing a 50 amp outlet in my parking spot at
the condo as we speak. Only 30 miles separates my project from the
outlet. That's a heck of an extension cord; perhaps I should get going
on the outlet I plan to install at the cottage.
Mike Hoskinson
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As I prepare to leave for an EAA meeting so I can get an
extra pair of hands to build new battery cables, I am
thinking of the changes of terms and what area is currently
the manufacturing maven.
A long time ago, made in Japan meant the item was junk. That
we know was turned around to mean better than anyone. Then
Japanese manufacturing was moved to lower cost sites in
less developed countries. Those countries have developed to
the point that they are making their own products.
Currently, many items USA buys show Made in China on the box.
In the beginning, the designs were not from China, but many
PR pieces are touting that they soon will be. I have read
that for quite some time.
While China would be a power house for producing home grown
EVs that could be exported, it just has not happened.
The entrepreneurs have not linked with the right people or
gotten the right permissions to have this happen.
In checking the searching engines, I found that many old
and dead EV links are still out their. But I did find a
few new ones that could be viable if they could get their
act together.
I sent a message to evthai.com to let them know their
web site images are not all loading and asked if they were
planning to sell to the USA.
It might just be, that Asia would be the manufacturing
source for EVs and gliders local converters could use.
Now that all large volume automakers have dropped EVs,
their is room for new EV products. I only hope ... no
pray that no more venture capital is wasted on another
nEV startup in an already saturated nEV market.
That capital would be better spent to build a four
passenger sedan or a two passenger king cab truck. Owners
would be the free sales people, and orders could made via
a web page. Target EV price would be $15,000. This would
compete with cheap ICE. Local dealerships that develop
could offer performance options (better chargers,
batteries, etc.).
Watt do you think?
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Some folks responded that there was "Nothing on our web site" about the
calendars...
Please refer to: our sub page on "Meetings and Announcements"
http://slough1.home.mindspring.com/seva-m.html
FIRST Paragraph:
"Many folks came to get their copies of the 2003 SEVA calendar. What a
great thing John Frost put together. And only a mere $10 per copy.
We still have about a dozen left ( out of an original order of 50 ) So
do not hesitate too long to get a hold of John. Evening phone#
253-941-2204 "
So... the info is there... just not UP-Front on page ONE.
If you care to e-mail John Frost ( our Treasurer ) directly, you can
reach him at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 396-9189
Eve: 206 524-1351
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At 06:35 AM 1/18/03, you wrote:
How do you go about measuring the internal resistance of a battery? I
don't think it's good to hook up you Ohm Meter across a battery. :-) Or
to short the battery and measure the max Amperage.
You use and impedance meter instead of an Ohm meter.
A regular Ohm meter works by applying a small DC voltage and then
measuring the current. Occasionally, it is done by applying a small current
and measuring the voltage. An impedance meter uses and AC voltage (or
current) instead.
You can also gauge the internal resistance of a battery by
discharging at current "A" and measuring the voltage, then discharging at
current "B" and them measuring the current again. The in internal
resistance can then be calculated:
Vb - Va
Ri = -------------------------
Ib - Ia
If you think about it, this is not all that different to what the
AC impedance meter is doing.
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At 10:23 AM 1/18/03, you wrote:
Sorry, that was supposed to go to Rich Rudman.
Mike
Regardless, it's nice to hear good reports about good suppliers! I
have had similar good experiences dealing with these same folks.
Michael Hoskinson wrote:
Hi Rich.
Thanks for including the Anderson connector with the Reg. The cheque is
in the mail. And thanks for the tip about evparts.com. Believe it or
not, I wasn't aware of them, or if I was, I forgot. I got all my stuff
together from Randy (except for the charger). Randy puts together a good
kit, including lots of things I wouldn't have thought of, like covers for
the battery posts, labeled heat shrink material, etc. So I haven't had
to buy much.
The electricians are installing a 50 amp outlet in my parking spot at the
condo as we speak. Only 30 miles separates my project from the
outlet. That's a heck of an extension cord; perhaps I should get going
on the outlet I plan to install at the cottage.
Mike Hoskinson
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did some sleuthing Thursday. I inspected the charger inside and out, and
checked every inch of wiring. Then I plugged in the charger to see if it
would do the same thing. It would not start because of a ground fault.
After poking around with a meter, I found that somehow there was a leak at
pack negative to 12V ground.
Today, I removed all the connections to the B- terminal of the controller.
No problem. Then I tried various combinations of attachments, hoping one
would be the culprit. I took voltage readings from the battery side of the
B+ contactor to 12V Ground.
With the charger connected to B- I had no voltage, and charger ran normally.
Conclusion: The charger is fine (though why the GFI didn't trip Wednesday
is a question I still have.
With B- connected to the Controller, and no aux. wires connected: a large
voltage difference appears, which diminishes rapidly and stabilizes at
between 8 and 9 volts. Interesting, since the contactors are keeping B+
isolated, and the controller is mounted on a non-metallic surface. there is
no direct connection to ground.
With B- connected to the precharge circuit (wire goes from B- through a
120VAC relay coil in series with a resistor and then is connected to the B+
terminal of the controller), the same thing happens.
With the voltmeter connected to B-, The value jumps around a lot.
With B- connected to the auxilliary board (DC-DC and heater relay), I read
123.5V. If I remove the connection between the DC-DC and the 12V ground, it
goes up to 135.9V (OK, there's one problem). I verified that the heater
relay works as it is supposed to.
The DC-DC, when connected manually, just clicks a lot instead of making the
slight PWM whine it used to, so it looks like that is busted, but there is
no evidence of anything losing its smoke. So aside from the obvious problem
with the DC-DC, what is going on with this 8-9V difference in the
controller? Everything was just fine, and I don't know of anything that has
changed.
Thanks for any help you can give,
David B.
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