EV Digest 2543
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph) Right?!
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: EVLN(Police EV without jumpers supercharges ICE)
by Martin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Compression Connectors?
by "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) With Friends Like These. . .
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Battery Internal resistance
by Martin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: With Friends Like These. . .
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph) Right?!
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Battery Internal resistance
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: With Friends Like These. . .
by Jon Knepher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: New EV on Ebay
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EVLN(Police EV without jumpers supercharges ICE)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) NBEAA Porsche : New EV on Ebay
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) PV programs lead to EV drivers
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph)
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) Re: NBEAA Porsche : New EV on Ebay
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) needing a few battpro modules
by "Doug Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: needing a few battpro modules
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: PV programs lead to EV drivers
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EV talk
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Looking for EV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Re: Compression Connectors?
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EV talk
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph)
> I wrote to ZAP and asked that they provide more details
> and a link to buy their vehicles on the product page.
>
> ZAP is not beyond pulling a BAT, by using wild claims to
> get orders.
>
> We need to keep our eye on ZAP's car to see if their claims
> ring true.
> Hi All;
Good point, Bruce. I notice that nobody is up and raving about this "
Breakthrough" Car. Sounds too good to be true, and it isn't. Right?? Its a
scam, to raise money. Prove me wrong! Damnit! Make me eat my words, right
here. I'll bet the car won't go 75 miles, and I could do as well with my
crappy Rabbit.
I prey that I'm all wrong and this car can glide off in regal splendor,
and DO it's clamed 240 miles. Hell, wouldn't yu be happy atr HALF that. I
mean at real world speeds? Not at 25mph, or downhill, slipstreaming a
Greyhound Bus, or an 18 wheeler like I do sometimes.Guilty.
Has anybody actually SEEN this car actually GO that clain: 240 milrs @
70?? Talk to us! Tell us it is real, Please! So I can dance around in
extesy, telling all the folks out here that EV's are HERE! Mine is a
Clairmont next to the Mauretania.
Stay tuned. Should be interesting, If so I want one!
Sceptically
Bob...........show me! An I'm not from Misouri.
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On 18 Jan 2003 at 8:40, Joseph H. Strubhar wrote:
> They did raise my
> eyebrows at the "240 mile on a charge at 70 mph" statement, though. I wish it
> were true! But I doubt that it is.
Let's hope it's accurate. EV vendors don't do anybody a favor, least of all
themselves, when they overstate the practical range of their vehicles. They
are just setting customers up for disappointment (and themselves for
complaints and even legal action).
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The subject column in the Sac Bee had about 5 topics; the first was
about a nice girl CoP who treated her car nicely. The last topic was
about the writer getting a ICE car battery boost from Greg McCrea who
has an EV shop north and 4 blocks east of the location. It's likely he
used an on board charger with a '12 V' capability to get the lady
going.
Greg isn't a CoP.
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The ones I am talking about can be seen at:
http://www.texasbattery.com/Cables_Terminals.htm
They are under the title quick compression connector.
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From: "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Compression Connectors?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Compression Connectors?
>
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > With all this crimp/solder crimp+solder talk I was looking at
> > > ordering some connectors and saw some compressions connectors
> > > for 2/0 from the makers of magnalugs. You would just use two
> > > wrenches to tighten/compress the lug to the wire. Has anyone
> > > used these? Could they work in very high current?
> >
> > Yes, they work. The main problem with any type of screw pressure type
> > terminal is that water and acid can get into them over time and cause
> > corrosion and bad connections.
>
> Lee, I'm not sure that screw-type is what he is talking about. There is a
> type of lug out here that has two parts with a pivot on the wire end -
when
> you tighten the lug onto the stud or bolt or whatever, it squeezes the
wire.
>
> I wouldn't use them, as they are made of aluminum, and could cause
corrosion
> problems if used with copper wire - never mind the acid eating them away!
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
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We EV people need to do a better job of educating our own. The EV
participation in the SF anti-war rally made Rob Morse's column in the
Chron. HOWEVER, he quoted a VW Bug conversion driver from Albany, David
Arkin, as saying that "...it's not quite correct to call it a no-emissions
vehicle if it's running off the grid. It's an elsewhere emissions vehicle."
Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!
Do gas car emissions measurements include emissions from refineries, or
from gas tanker trucks? NO! And an editorial in the Jan. 10th Chron noted
that pollution from refinery flares is much worse than previously thought,
and confirmed "the refineries' status as major sources of the area's air
pollution".
How can we expect fair treatment from the media and public, when our OWN
keep spreading this stuff?
(Pant, pant)
Ok, I feel a little calmer now.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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From: Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"....then the voltage drop for each current must have been in the
resistor (the battery's internal resistance)."
I have seen e-meter data from two different Trojan battery sets
through 500 Amp controllers and plotted up curves of V vs. A. The
lines connecting the dots (data) were very parallel and dropped down
the graph smoothly, but without changing slope. (The data in one case
where the battery was into the "fourth bar" became very erratic.)
I attempted to do a continuous calculation of resistance and think the
end calc. was reasonable. The data was filtered to get accel. points
(~2 sec. apart) between >50 Amps and >400 Amps. The e-meter resolution
was .5 V in nominal 120 V, so this accounted for about half the error.
Using running average of 5 points, the value was pretty good for 2
bars (40 % capacity). In local driving with mainly stop and go, there
could be perhaps 5 reasonable values in 30 minutes.
Maximum battery power is delivered when the external resistance equals
the internal resistance. Joe Smalleys 'published' SVR#4 spreadsheets
show these high Amp trends on the bench under controlled conditions:
http://www.manzanitamicro.com/download.htm
SVR#4 Amp Test, 478 kB
I (and others) call this resistance 'dynamic' because it is similar to
the actual application for the battery. Another presentation is
constant discharge current at several fixed Amp levels from which the
various ratings and the famous Peukert numbers are obtained. Most of
us don't have a constant load facility and the graphs are good except
that the battery voltage in the car are 'asymptotic' to these lines
with time.
If you look at the V reading on your e-meter at a stop light, it
creeps up towards the value you would get on the bench. Similarly, at
constant speed on the level, the Voltage would creep down towards the
bench const. Amps value.
Over a trip, the static and dynamic values would give similar
consumption and performance estimates. For drag racing, the static
discharge curves would have slightly lower Voltage at peak power.
Just off charge or after a bit of good regen, the battery will provide
a bonus Voltage that disappears rapidly, but contributes energy to the
next acceleration. I suspect this helps cycle life.
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Sounds like I need to be educated, too. I think that a sustantial
fraction of electricity consumed in the US is generated by burning
fossil fuels which produces greenhouse gasses and other pollutants.
Our electric utilities and producers have fleets of motor vehicles used
for mainenance, repair, construction, meter reading, etc. Manufacture
of generation and distribution equipment, construction of dams, power
plants, etc. all contribute to pollution and greenhouse gasses.
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: With Friends Like These. . .
> We EV people need to do a better job of educating our own. The EV
> participation in the SF anti-war rally made Rob Morse's column in the
> Chron. HOWEVER, he quoted a VW Bug conversion driver from Albany, David
> Arkin, as saying that "...it's not quite correct to call it a no-emissions
> vehicle if it's running off the grid. It's an elsewhere emissions
vehicle."
>
> Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Do gas car emissions measurements include emissions from refineries, or
> from gas tanker trucks? NO! And an editorial in the Jan. 10th Chron
noted
> that pollution from refinery flares is much worse than previously thought,
> and confirmed "the refineries' status as major sources of the area's air
> pollution".
>
> How can we expect fair treatment from the media and public, when our OWN
> keep spreading this stuff?
>
> (Pant, pant)
>
> Ok, I feel a little calmer now.
>
>
> Shari Prange
> Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone
831-429-1989
> http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
>
>
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24 miles at 70 mph should be pritty easy .and for 10K (did I realy see
that?)
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph) Right?!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP car: 240 miles on a single charge at 70 mph)
>
>
> > I wrote to ZAP and asked that they provide more details
> > and a link to buy their vehicles on the product page.
> >
> > ZAP is not beyond pulling a BAT, by using wild claims to
> > get orders.
> >
> > We need to keep our eye on ZAP's car to see if their claims
> > ring true.
>
> > Hi All;
>
> Good point, Bruce. I notice that nobody is up and raving about this "
> Breakthrough" Car. Sounds too good to be true, and it isn't. Right?? Its a
> scam, to raise money. Prove me wrong! Damnit! Make me eat my words, right
> here. I'll bet the car won't go 75 miles, and I could do as well with my
> crappy Rabbit.
>
> I prey that I'm all wrong and this car can glide off in regal
splendor,
> and DO it's clamed 240 miles. Hell, wouldn't yu be happy atr HALF that. I
> mean at real world speeds? Not at 25mph, or downhill, slipstreaming a
> Greyhound Bus, or an 18 wheeler like I do sometimes.Guilty.
>
> Has anybody actually SEEN this car actually GO that clain: 240 milrs @
> 70?? Talk to us! Tell us it is real, Please! So I can dance around in
> extesy, telling all the folks out here that EV's are HERE! Mine is a
> Clairmont next to the Mauretania.
>
> Stay tuned. Should be interesting, If so I want one!
>
> Sceptically
>
> Bob...........show me! An I'm not from Misouri.
>
>
>
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so when you get into you car and see 130v then take off and pull a steady
100amps vloltage drops to 120 10/100 =.1 ohm ??
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From: "Seth Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Battery Internal resistance
> hi all -
>
> I thought about this once and you can tell me I'm wrong, but here's
> how I'd go about it: assume that your battery is an ideal battery, ie
> no voltage sag under load. now also assume that your ideal battery is
> in series with a resistor of unknown value - the ideal battery plus
> resistor is your actual battery. Now measure your voltage across the
> whole thing with no load, then put say a 100 amp load on your battery
> and measure the voltage. Do this for a few different currents. now if
> you pretend that your ideal battery didn't loose any voltage under
> load, then the voltage drop for each current must have been in the
> resistor (the battery's internal resistance). now you have a current
> through and a voltage across this internal resistor, so resistance is
> easy to calculate using Ohm's law. Hope this helps,
>
> Seth
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 08:35 AM, Gordon Niessen wrote:
>
> > How do you go about measuring the internal resistance of a battery? I
> > don't think it's good to hook up you Ohm Meter across a battery. :-)
> > Or to short the battery and measure the max Amperage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
>
> http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/387.html
>
>
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Check out http://en-env.llnl.gov/flow/index.html
Some localities have a very different power mix, though. It is still good
motivation to put up PV... :)
> ----- Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------
> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:09:20 -0800
> From: Thomas Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: With Friends Like These. . .
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sounds like I need to be educated, too. I think that a sustantial
> fraction of electricity consumed in the US is generated by burning
> fossil fuels which produces greenhouse gasses and other pollutants.
> Our electric utilities and producers have fleets of motor vehicles used
> for mainenance, repair, construction, meter reading, etc. Manufacture
> of generation and distribution equipment, construction of dams, power
> plants, etc. all contribute to pollution and greenhouse gasses.
>
>
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this address didn;t work any other web sites .
I'm sure a light car with that much bat lbs will go more that 25 miles .
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From: "Trotman Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: New EV on Ebay
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6429&item=
> 2400338757&rd=1
>
> Just FYI , it's on the west coast and I'm in VA but I'm still looking.
>
> This 1969 Porsche 912 has been converted to electric. It uses the stock
> 5-speed transaxle adapted to an electric motor. This car is a daily
driver
> and is used for all local errands. Range is about 25 miles depending on
> speed, terrain, and temperature. We drive 55 on the freeway, and can hold
> 48 - 50 mph on the steepest freeway hills. Top speed is about 75 mph. The
> donor car was a 1969 Porsche 912 with 5 speed transmission and non-power
> brakes/steering. Motor is an Advance DC 8" and the Controller is Auburn
600
> amp, Pulse Width Modulation, 15,000 Hz. Batteries are 18 US-125 "golf
Cart"
> 6-volt, 220 Amp Hour. Battery Charger is a 3000 watt Russco using 120
volts
> AC. Total weight if car is 3,020 lbs. (Front = 1,240#, Rear = 1780#) A
> 12-volt "garden tractor" battery is used with a 20 amp Todd DC to DC
> converter for lighting and stereo. Construction Cost was about $9,000
> including the donor car. More details available on request. Best features:
> Good looks, and smooth, reliable, non-polluting, economical, guilt-free
> local transportation
>
>
> Trotman (EV newbee)
>
>
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What!?!
the media making a mistake!
Impossible!
NOT!
Thanks for the correction. That is one of the reasons I
POST these newswires so we can pick them apart, correct
them, and write the media source for a good spanking.
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The ebay item looks just like
http://geocities.com/nbeaa/preston.html
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6429&item=2400338757&rd=1
1969 Porsche 912 converted to Electric
Vehicle Description
This 1969 Porsche 912 has been converted to electric. It
uses the stock 5-speed transaxle adapted to an electric
motor. This car is a daily driver and is used for all local
errands. Range is about 25 miles depending on speed,
terrain, and temperature. We drive 55 on the freeway, and
can hold 48 - 50 mph on the steepest freeway hills. Top
speed is about 75 mph. The donor car was a 1969 Porsche 912
with 5 speed transmission and non-power brakes/steering.
Motor is an Advance DC 8? and the Controller is Auburn 600
amp, Pulse Width Modulation, 15,000 Hz. Batteries are 18
US-125 ?golf Cart? 6-volt, 220 Amp Hour. Battery Charger is
a 3000 watt Russco using 120 volts AC. Total weight if car
is 3,020 lbs. (Front = 1,240#, Rear = 1780#) A 12-volt
?garden tractor? battery is used with a 20 amp Todd DC to DC
converter for lighting and stereo. Construction Cost was
about $9,000 including the donor car. More details available
on request. Best features: Good looks, and smooth, reliable,
non-polluting, economical, guilt-free local transportation.
This car is located in San Rafael, CA and cannot be driven
to distant locations. The buyer is responsible for all
transportation costs.
Vehicle Condition
Condition is average to good for a car of this age. The car
has been repainted the stock green. There is no body rot or
serious rust issues, except for small bubbles under the
paint around the wiper arm shafts and just in front of the
A-pillars There are several small dings on the front edge
of the hood and in one door. The right-rear fender was
repainted sometime in the past. All glass is good and the
windows roll up and down. The drivers seat is slightly torn
and the dash has small cracks.
Terms of Sale
I would like a $500.00 deposit by PayPal within 48 hours of
auction close. I will accept escrow for balance payment. The
vehicle title is clear and in my possession so we can close
the transaction as soon as funds is transferred.
If you would like to have the vehicle shipped, let me know
and I can make arrangements with your vehicle shipping
provider after the close of auction.
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At the Silicon Valley EAA eaasv.org meeting today, I got
the extra set of hands to help me build up some
replacement battery cables.
While there much was said, many still mourning the loss of
the production EVs (automakers backed out of their public
promise to produce EVs).
One of the local production EV drives said the local city
solar panel program that allowed them to pay less to install
a PV system on their roof, lead them to think EVs. From PVs
to EVs was a natural process for them.
Perhaps EV drivers should encourage city PV programs in their
area. This will lead to more EV drivers.
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As you can see, virtually the same copy (PR) is being reused
for various media outlets. Feel Good Cars is doing the same
thing to promote their ZENN.
When I search, I find several ZAP n ZENN items from various
sources that are basically the same copy.
I wrote to ZAP and asked that they provide more details
and a link to buy their vehicles on the product page.
ZAP is not beyond pulling a BAT, by using wild claims to
get orders.
We need to keep our eye on ZAP's car to see if their claims
ring true.
I just went to ZAPWorld.com to see what I could find out and
discovered something very interesting indeed.
http://www.zapworld.com/new-cars.htm
Notice that it lists the ZENN as a ZAP car. WTF? So is Feel Good Cars
just a subsidiary?
I see they've also gotten sucked into the morass that is Moller
International's Skycar. Hmm, they've only been trying to get one to
fly since 1990 or so. They finally got it to hover about 6 months
ago. At that rate, in 15 years it might be viable. <sigh>
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If they are Lithium why not. Lawrence Rhodes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> I actually saw this blurb on local KGW Channel 8 news the other night -
very
> impressive! I thought it was a Tango at first glimpse. They did raise my
> eyebrows at the "240 mile on a charge at 70 mph" statement, though. I wish
> it were true!
> But I doubt that it is.
>
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:29 AM
> Subject: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
>
>
> > EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> > [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> > informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> > --- {EVangel}
> > http://www.nbc11.com/morenews/1909394/detail.html
> > Zap Electric Car A Hit In Vegas
> > Local Company Makes Affordable Gas Alternative
> > Scott Budman
> > POSTED: 6:38 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> > UPDATED: 6:58 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> > LAS VEGAS -- We saw a lot of unusual stuff at this year's
> > Consumer Electronics show. We also saw some very cool cars
> > -- big cars complete with computers inside, even cars set up
> > with video game tailgates.
> >
> > But, nothing really compares with the chance to drive a new
> > Zap car. Completely electric, this is a vehicle to drive us
> > to a more energy-efficient future. But even with all that
> > efficiency, this car still turns heads.
> >
> > Zap is a Bay Area company with an eye on the environment.
> > Its name stands for "Zero Air Pollution."
> >
> > Its new battery lets you go anywhere, at a decent speed, for
> > about a penny per mile. ZAP CEO Steve Schneider told NBC11's
> > Scott Budman, "In a vehicle like the one we're sitting in,
> > the car can go 240 miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per
> > hour."
> >
> > Budman reported that that's a lot less money than the
> > average driver pays. If you have about $10,000 and a plug
> > you can own one too.
> >
> > Schneider said, "You plug into any simple wall outlet and
> > you are ready to go, that's how you charge it."
> >
> > Electric cars are all the rage these days, Budman said, and
> > this is one that won't break the bank while helping you
> > break the gasoline habit.
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But Lithium battery EV with 240 mpc range, the pack alone would cost more
than $10k in mass production. I'm still a skeptic without more explaination
of what the car's made up of.
-Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Rhodes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
If they are Lithium why not. Lawrence Rhodes.
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From: "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> I actually saw this blurb on local KGW Channel 8 news the other night -
very
> impressive! I thought it was a Tango at first glimpse. They did raise my
> eyebrows at the "240 mile on a charge at 70 mph" statement, though. I wish
> it were true!
> But I doubt that it is.
>
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
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> From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:29 AM
> Subject: EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
>
>
> > EVLN(ZAP nEV on NBC CH 11 TV)
> > [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> > informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> > --- {EVangel}
> > http://www.nbc11.com/morenews/1909394/detail.html
> > Zap Electric Car A Hit In Vegas
> > Local Company Makes Affordable Gas Alternative
> > Scott Budman
> > POSTED: 6:38 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> > UPDATED: 6:58 p.m. PST January 14, 2003
> > LAS VEGAS -- We saw a lot of unusual stuff at this year's
> > Consumer Electronics show. We also saw some very cool cars
> > -- big cars complete with computers inside, even cars set up
> > with video game tailgates.
> >
> > But, nothing really compares with the chance to drive a new
> > Zap car. Completely electric, this is a vehicle to drive us
> > to a more energy-efficient future. But even with all that
> > efficiency, this car still turns heads.
> >
> > Zap is a Bay Area company with an eye on the environment.
> > Its name stands for "Zero Air Pollution."
> >
> > Its new battery lets you go anywhere, at a decent speed, for
> > about a penny per mile. ZAP CEO Steve Schneider told NBC11's
> > Scott Budman, "In a vehicle like the one we're sitting in,
> > the car can go 240 miles on a single charge, at 70 miles per
> > hour."
> >
> > Budman reported that that's a lot less money than the
> > average driver pays. If you have about $10,000 and a plug
> > you can own one too.
> >
> > Schneider said, "You plug into any simple wall outlet and
> > you are ready to go, that's how you charge it."
> >
> > Electric cars are all the rage these days, Budman said, and
> > this is one that won't break the bank while helping you
> > break the gasoline habit.
> > Copyright 2003 by NBC11.com. All rights reserved.
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And that it is. Preston even got a good view of the Mt. Tam
profile painting (as it looks from the north, but it's on their
south wall) on their front wall in the background. I think this
car with a good well-balanced battery pack could go on the order
of 50-70 miles. However, Preston does not like to run his pack
all the way down (neither do I, and with this pack of Trojan
T125s in my 96V Rabbit, I basically don't go further than 25
miles (about "half" my range - try to take it easy on the pack).
Another factor is that Marin County miles contain a big vertical
component. There are four ways for me to go from Larkspur to San
Rafael. Two of these require sustained 300-350A draws to go over
the 200-300 ft ridge that separates Larkspur from San Rafael.
The other two add extra miles to go around the ridge. I then
have a steep 20%-grade 250-ft climb with no pullouts to get back
up to my apt when I come back home. While Preston doesn't have
my apt hill to look forward to every trip, his travel is still a
lot of up-and-down, and it ain't fun on a low pack.
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: NBEAA Porsche : New EV on Ebay
> The ebay item looks just like
> http://geocities.com/nbeaa/preston.html
>
>
> -
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category
=6429&item=2400338757&rd=1
> 1969 Porsche 912 converted to Electric
> Vehicle Description
>
> This 1969 Porsche 912 has been converted to electric. It
> uses the stock 5-speed transaxle adapted to an electric
> motor. This car is a daily driver and is used for all local
> errands. Range is about 25 miles depending on speed,
> terrain, and temperature. We drive 55 on the freeway, and
> can hold 48 - 50 mph on the steepest freeway hills. Top
> speed is about 75 mph. The donor car was a 1969 Porsche 912
> with 5 speed transmission and non-power brakes/steering.
> Motor is an Advance DC 8? and the Controller is Auburn 600
> amp, Pulse Width Modulation, 15,000 Hz. Batteries are 18
> US-125 ?golf Cart? 6-volt, 220 Amp Hour. Battery Charger is
> a 3000 watt Russco using 120 volts AC. Total weight if car
> is 3,020 lbs. (Front = 1,240#, Rear = 1780#) A 12-volt
> ?garden tractor? battery is used with a 20 amp Todd DC to DC
> converter for lighting and stereo. Construction Cost was
> about $9,000 including the donor car. More details available
> on request. Best features: Good looks, and smooth, reliable,
> non-polluting, economical, guilt-free local transportation.
>
> This car is located in San Rafael, CA and cannot be driven
> to distant locations. The buyer is responsible for all
> transportation costs.
>
> Vehicle Condition
>
> Condition is average to good for a car of this age. The car
> has been repainted the stock green. There is no body rot or
> serious rust issues, except for small bubbles under the
> paint around the wiper arm shafts and just in front of the
> A-pillars There are several small dings on the front edge
> of the hood and in one door. The right-rear fender was
> repainted sometime in the past. All glass is good and the
> windows roll up and down. The drivers seat is slightly torn
> and the dash has small cracks.
>
> Terms of Sale
>
> I would like a $500.00 deposit by PayPal within 48 hours of
> auction close. I will accept escrow for balance payment. The
> vehicle title is clear and in my possession so we can close
> the transaction as soon as funds is transferred.
>
> If you would like to have the vehicle shipped, let me know
> and I can make arrangements with your vehicle shipping
> provider after the close of auction.
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Hope you let us know all the details about your new born ,first steps ect.
If you can't find a battpro I would think a Rudman reg would do . (from the
bats point of view )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:08 AM
Subject: needing a few battpro modules
Hi there. Just now putting together my first EV and I managed to "weld" a
battery to the chassis at the side-mount terminals (YT). In a mad panic to
get things unstuck quickly, I managed to destroy one of my BattPro battery
protector modules. Battery seems to be ok for now, but the module was
completely unrecoverable. I'm not sure where I can find any more of these,
but I'd be very happy to find a seller...
-Doug Martin
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One potential purchaser for my EV is motivated by the
fact that his re-fi covered a PV system, and he wants
to be full electric (including transportation). So
here is one anecdotal piece of info that bears out
your theory.
--- Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At the Silicon Valley EAA eaasv.org meeting today, I
> got
> the extra set of hands to help me build up some
> replacement battery cables.
>
> While there much was said, many still mourning the
> loss of
> the production EVs (automakers backed out of their
> public
> promise to produce EVs).
>
> One of the local production EV drives said the local
> city
> solar panel program that allowed them to pay less to
> install
> a PV system on their roof, lead them to think EVs.
> From PVs
> to EVs was a natural process for them.
>
> Perhaps EV drivers should encourage city PV programs
> in their
> area. This will lead to more EV drivers.
>
>
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My ford ranger has 3 bats in the front . When I'm gassing up the lawn mower
which is on a trailer behind the truck and a crowd gathers round to look
under the hood . I give my little EV speech and I if don't point out the
bats under the bed of the truck somebody will always ask "and it runs on
just 3 batteries?" This really is not to hard to understand as they are
looking at something they've been told can't work in the first place . There
minds are being opened and the brains just slip right out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: EV talk
> On 17 Jan 2003 at 16:44, jon wrote:
>
> > "How many D cells does it take?"
>
> When I had my Comuta-Car, I bought two 4-cell plastic flashlight cell
> holders from an electronic parts store. I wired them to a hunk of zip
cord,
> filled 'em up, tied the free end of the zip cord to something under the
dash
> of the car, and chucked them on the shelf under the dash (the one that
used
> to hold a charger in the old Citicars).
>
> When someone asked the inevitable question, "Does it ^really^ run on
> batteries?" I'd pull out the battery holders and show him. Some folks
> actually believed me. It's amazing how poor science education is these
> days.
>
>
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> 1991 Solectria Force 144vac
> 1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
> 1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
> 1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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Hi folks,
Well my wife told me today that she is about to take over my car! She's 6 mo.
pregnant and driving her Ford Probe has gotten to be a bit difficult.
So I'm going to give her my old Volvo wagon, and we are going to sell the
Ford. I have made a resolute decision that I *AM* going to replace my car with
an electric.
I have looked at all the ev trading posts and the like, and I have made a few
offers, but nothing has come to fruition as yet. If anyone out there knows of
a vehicle for sale that meets (or exceeds) these specs PLEASE let me know.
Range 50-60 miles @ 45mph (or 45 miles at 55 or so).
Seats at least 3 with one being a child seat (gotta plan ahead).
Can recharge off of 110 or 220.
Really that is all it needs to do.
My current morning commute is about 14 miles (one way) and I have been told
that I can have access to charging at the school.
BUT* My new house that we are (very slowly) building will increase that
commute to something coloser to 35-40 miles. Most of that commute is through
the country so will be 55 mph (or whatever traffic is doing) but the last 7-8
miles will be "city" stop and go traffic.
Of all the EV's I have looked at, the converted VW vans seem to be the closest
to EXACTLY what I want. Room for me, the Ms. and the little one and still
enough sitting/floor space to haul stuff or take the 3 dogs on a ride with us.
Budget is the issue. I could do 4-5k no problem, with 7-8k with some
diffuculty.
Anyone know of ANYTHING?
Thanks.
James
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Compression Connectors?
> The ones I am talking about can be seen at:
> http://www.texasbattery.com/Cables_Terminals.htm
> They are under the title quick compression connector.
I have not seen these before - I wonder how well the threads inside hold up
with corrosion. Maybe someone should give them a try!
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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That's great, but why don't you also have an electric lawm mower ?
You could always carry an extra battery pack for the mower or even an
extra charger or recharge atleast once from the vehicle if its an
emergency.
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:27:50 -0800 "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My ford ranger has 3 bats in the front . When I'm gassing up the
> lawn mower
> which is on a trailer behind the truck and a crowd gathers round to
> look
> under the hood . I give my little EV speech and I if don't point out
> the
> bats under the bed of the truck somebody will always ask "and it
> runs on
> just 3 batteries?" This really is not to hard to understand as they
> are
> looking at something they've been told can't work in the first place
> . There
> minds are being opened and the brains just slip right out.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: EV talk
>
>
> > On 17 Jan 2003 at 16:44, jon wrote:
> >
> > > "How many D cells does it take?"
> >
> > When I had my Comuta-Car, I bought two 4-cell plastic flashlight
> cell
> > holders from an electronic parts store. I wired them to a hunk of
> zip
> cord,
> > filled 'em up, tied the free end of the zip cord to something
> under the
> dash
> > of the car, and chucked them on the shelf under the dash (the one
> that
> used
> > to hold a charger in the old Citicars).
> >
> > When someone asked the inevitable question, "Does it ^really^ run
> on
> > batteries?" I'd pull out the battery holders and show him. Some
> folks
> > actually believed me. It's amazing how poor science education is
> these
> > days.
> >
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = =
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> = =
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> > 1991 Solectria Force 144vac
> > 1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
> > 1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
> > 1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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> = =
> > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto thee, "send this
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> > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any spam, lest I smite
> thee.
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