EV Digest 2571
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by Alex Karahalios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Ed Gray & Perendev
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Moving electric cars long distances
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Manufacturers of AC Drive System
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) It's me: (New EV Project en route)!
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) cheap variable battery charger.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: cheap variable battery charger.
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Zap car news story.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hmm.. its a shame that they cant just take the 1.2b and just buy
lion batteries for us for 240,000 196v cars.
Im sure 18kWHr would go a long way into useful life for cars. especially
with lighter batteries.
you could replace cars in a coupl of cities for that.. which is probably
more than
we can say for how many cars will be replaced by Fuel Cell Vehicles.
--of course.. it wouldnt have to even be giveaways like that. i wonder if
we spent the
1.2 on building plants <or grants to build them> to make li-ion batteries..
my how cheap they would be
research is nice.. but that wont help get ride of dependence right now.
besides.. the private sector is spending oodles of money to try to get fuel
cells affordable and working..
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
Tonight on a SF PBS TV station KQED their program 'This Week'
http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing.jsp?progID=6380
one on the panel stated, '... Bush's reference to hydrogen
fuel cell vehicles is typical politician statements. He said
it would be 15 years before they would available. That is
ten years after his term even if he gets a second one ..."
Meanwhile back at the ICE profit coffers ...
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Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers? So
far I have: Ballard (though we cant buy their product), Solectria,
Metric Mind, and AC Propulsion. Again, thanks guys. I appreciate all
your help in advancing my knowledge of EVs.
-Sam
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Hi Sam,
You can add Enova Systems and Hitachi Automotive Products to your list.
http://www.enovasystems.com
http://www.hap.com/products.html
Alex Karahalios
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Sam Harper wrote:
Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers? So
far I have: Ballard (though we cant buy their product), Solectria,
Metric Mind, and AC Propulsion. Again, thanks guys. I appreciate all
your help in advancing my knowledge of EVs.
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On 3 Feb 2003 at 12:18, Sam Harper wrote:
> Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers?
Brusa (Switzerland) http://www.brusa.biz
AC (Finland) http://acev.iti.fi/acev/ (Note: pages not updated since 1998)
EMS (USA) http://members.aol.com/evguru/evc2600.html
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David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
1991 Solectria Force 144vac
1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers? So
far I have: Ballard (though we cant buy their product), Solectria,
Metric Mind, and AC Propulsion. Again, thanks guys. I appreciate
all your help in advancing my knowledge of EVs.
-Sam
Just a note, but to my knowledge, Victor Tikhonov (MetricMind) only
sells AC motors, he doesn't make them. He sells Siemens motor systems.
I think GE also make several AC drive systems, but I'm not sure.
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Michael Hurley Digital Print Specialist
AlphaGraphics, Inc. (901) 681-9909
1195 Ridgeway Rd. (901) 761-2139 FAX
Memphis, TN 38119 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unless you see something working don't bother. It's usually bull. Lawrence
Rhodes.
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From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: Ed Gray & Perendev
> Does anyone have information about modern developments based off the
> research of Edwin Gray? Has anyone heard of Perendev Power
> Developments (http://www.perendev.co.za/contact/index.html)?
>
> -Sam
>
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At 03:41 PM 2/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
Well my wife and I just "took the plunge" and have arranged to purchase our
first (working) EV from another list member.
The car currently (pun intended) resides in sunny California, and she is going
to have to be moved to NC.
There are several moving companies that will do the job for a reasonable
amount
of money, so that is not an issue, but I was wondering what we should do
to make
the move as safe, and easy on the batts as possible?
The car has yellow tops.
From past experience, if you open the circuit breaker or make some other
disconnect (which you should for safety), no matter how much explanation or
instructions you give, you are likely to get a phone call from the car
hauler saying, "Your batteries are dead." Don't panic. He just doesn't know.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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Hi Sam, Michael and All,
For a smaller one, E-Cycle has motors,
controllers for motorcycles at a reasonable cost,
about $800 for both motor and controller depending on
options. Good for sailboat inboards too as it has
regen.
Electric Wheel for big boats has a low speed
unit it sells but costs way too much.
HTH,
jerry dycus
--- Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive
> manufacturers? So
> >far I have: Ballard (though we cant buy their
> product), Solectria,
> >Metric Mind, and AC Propulsion. Again, thanks
> guys. I appreciate
> >all your help in advancing my knowledge of EVs.
> >
> >-Sam
>
> Just a note, but to my knowledge, Victor Tikhonov
> (MetricMind) only
> sells AC motors, he doesn't make them. He sells
> Siemens motor systems.
>
> I think GE also make several AC drive systems, but
> I'm not sure.
> --
>
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Michael Hurley Digital Print Specialist
> AlphaGraphics, Inc. (901) 681-9909
> 1195 Ridgeway Rd. (901) 761-2139 FAX
> Memphis, TN 38119 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Sam Harper wrote:
>
> Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers? So
> far I have: Ballard (though we cant buy their product), Solectria,
> Metric Mind, and AC Propulsion. Again, thanks guys. I appreciate all
> your help in advancing my knowledge of EVs.
>
> -Sam
Sam,
I (Metric Mind) just import the systems in the US, I'm not a
manufacturer.
Victor
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Curtis
http://www.curtisinst.com/Uploads/DataSheets/AC_Appl._Broch.F.pdf
Danaher
http://www.inmotech.com/Evd-products.html
Zapi
http://www.zapiinc.com/ac.html
Rod
David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
On 3 Feb 2003 at 12:18, Sam Harper wrote:
Can you please help me compile a list of AC drive manufacturers?
Brusa (Switzerland) http://www.brusa.biz
AC (Finland) http://acev.iti.fi/acev/ (Note: pages not updated since 1998)
EMS (USA) http://members.aol.com/evguru/evc2600.html
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David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
1991 Solectria Force 144vac
1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get this
> privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
>
>
> Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence Rhodes...
>
>
>
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I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
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Subject: RE: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
> Hmm.. its a shame that they cant just take the 1.2b and just buy
> lion batteries for us for 240,000 196v cars.
now if we used golf cart batteries how many would that be :-)
what about having the army make adaptor plates for any one wanting to do a
conversion for free. It could be good training for there young machinist
(might take years to get done).
> Im sure 18kWHr would go a long way into useful life for cars. especially
> with lighter batteries.
>
> you could replace cars in a coupl of cities for that.. which is probably
> more than
> we can say for how many cars will be replaced by Fuel Cell Vehicles.
>
> --of course.. it wouldnt have to even be giveaways like that. i wonder if
> we spent the
> 1.2 on building plants <or grants to build them> to make li-ion
batteries..
> my how cheap they would be
>
> research is nice.. but that wont help get ride of dependence right now.
> besides.. the private sector is spending oodles of money to try to get
fuel
> cells affordable and working..
Are they really trying to get them working or just get grant money ?
Our only hope is the back yard shops at this point.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
>
>
> Tonight on a SF PBS TV station KQED their program 'This Week'
> http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing.jsp?progID=6380
> one on the panel stated, '... Bush's reference to hydrogen
> fuel cell vehicles is typical politician statements. He said
> it would be 15 years before they would available. That is
> ten years after his term even if he gets a second one ..."
>
>
> Meanwhile back at the ICE profit coffers ...
>
>
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Well, plenty has transpired since last week; or since
my last post.
VoltsRabbit #2 (Farfromsmoggen) has been sold. As
a result, I found it only fitting that I become
"CivicWithACord", instead of "Farfromsmoggen." With
my EV fund established at the sale of the vehicle plus
another 1K, I'm _ready to spend_. (;-p
I've removed the spare tire, and the padding from
the trunk of the car; installed a sweet CD player, but
until the block is pulled, not much else to do but
measure and DREAM and THINK.
Called a local Honda dealer, and while they
couldn't use the block, the service manager had a son
with a hatchback who wanted it (only got 350K mi. out
of _his_ engine). So here's my 16 valve 1.5 liter; I
want at least $250 for the EV fund, right? Turns out
he welds at the local HS, and needs a senior project
to graduate, and _really_ wants a well-maintained
engine + computer with 97K miles on it.
I gave him my copy of "Convert It", and a really
cool videotape shot by Lynn Adams, showing the guts
and all of _his_ Civic, that mine will be quite
similar to. Well, he's been bitten by the bug, and
can't wait to start work on my project!
The '92 sedan I will be using has sentimental
value, as it carried my older daughter home when she
was born 10 years ago. Turning it into an EV will
immortalize it, (until it gets hit). Because it is a
sedan, I will be able to sit 3 x 3 batteries (8V GC;
sorry, I'm pretty set on them) in the spare tire tray.
It's _huge_ and will sit on two beefy frame members.
The senior should come up with the same idea as he
designs the rack. I also have room for a battery
inside/in front of the taillight, and the charger on
the other side. Not certain how I'll ventilate the
single (10th rear) battery by itself. This thing
should be 144V by the time I'm done. If Jeff can get
18 in a hatchback, I can get at least that many in a
sedan!
Next step was purchasing the 8" motor. Damon
Crockett has been horse-trading them like crazy with a
friend who bought out some of Corbin's inventory.
I've got to get a controller and DCDC anyway; makes
sense to go through him anyway.
Adapter plate: Nels Strandberg, who did Jeff
Clearwater's conversion (sold to Lynn Adams). Nels
has plenty of detailed drawings and our rigs are
identical in front. Problem was, he can't locate the
CAD file. I'll be able to pick up a core tranny for
my vehicle for Nels to use as a template for anything
he's missing. That keeps me from needing to remove
half-shafts, etc. to send him mine.
Here's the way it's looking:
$8300 for parts, minimum (shipping will add more).
This includes suspension upgrades.
6500 in budget.
1100 tax breaks in OR
300 Fed. tax break
Also in the budget was $3K for a salvage Civic for me
to drive, which will be sold the day CivicWithACord is
completed, likely for the same price as purchase.
Whole thing should run me about $600 in the red, since
I'm basically "trading up", as EVs go.
Some things for novices:
Yes, I love the body style of a '92 4 dr. Civic. And
there are plenty of replacement parts in salvage
yards. They are the "Rabbits" of the 90's.
No, I don't have automotive expertise. I'm a biology
major, who got into electronics because my parents
wouldn't support my electric guitar playing, and I
wanted a distortion box, and all of those other nifty
stomp-boxes. So, yes, I can read a schematic and then
some. Love to take things apart. If it sounds like I
am going to need to tap the expertise of others, you
would be correct. I don't weld, and I don't work on
suspensions without prior instruction.
Yes, I have EV expertise. Have wired controllers,
fabbed interconnects, wired an E-meter, to name a few.
Took a great class in So. Cal. at a JC.
If you're bored by this post, join the club! I'm
_smogging and I can't stop myself_ until this project
is done, and I need the block pulled! Can't wait to
talk to my new friend about his timeline!
So for the record, Farfromsmoggen is now _smogging_,
but he's soon to be driving CivicWithACord!
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Harbor Freight is selling a speed controller for ac motors for 12 bucks. It
controls brushed motors. Could this be a substitute for a variac? Says it
will handle 15 amps. With that and a bridge shouldn't that make a nice
variable charger for about 15 bucks? Lawrence Rhodes..........
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It is likely a high current triac light dimmer. You may need a light bulb or
other load across the input to the bridge to keep bias on the circuit.
It is weighs very little but has a horrible crest factor. It does not work
with low voltage packs unless you have a step down transformer.
It has no voltage control and can easily cook your battery.
The variac has a better power factor and will work with lower voltage
battery packs.
A voltage control can be added later but adds complexity.
If this is what you want, you can make it work.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: cheap variable battery charger.
> Harbor Freight is selling a speed controller for ac motors for 12 bucks.
It
> controls brushed motors. Could this be a substitute for a variac? Says
it
> will handle 15 amps. With that and a bridge shouldn't that make a nice
> variable charger for about 15 bucks? Lawrence Rhodes..........
>
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http://www.nbc11.com/technology/1909403/detail.html Lawrence Rhodes
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