EV Digest 2572
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: ampabout
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: A.C. relays
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) RE: 48 Volt charger wanted...
by "jack gretta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Why electricity isn't the holy grail and hydrogen is.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: A.C. relays
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: PFC20 vs Sparrow - there is hope
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Why electricity isn't the holy grail and hydrogen is.
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Curious battery behavior.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Why electricity isn't the holy grail and hydrogen is.
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: It's me: (New EV Project en route)!
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Curious battery behavior.
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Zap car news story.
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) What was the Ego
by "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: What was the Ego
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: What was the E.Com?
by "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) The missing Zebra
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: A.C. relays
by "Richard Millhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Today was another interview, so I headed South on Hwy 101
on a full charge. This time for a dumb-down non-tech job.
My new battery cables are cool and happy. Even more so
since I removed the condut-o-lube coating. It looks like
that stuff dries out and I am better off with metal to
metal connections.
I got down to Santa Clara in plenty of time, and my amp
hours are looking much more normal(2.1 ah per mile at
55mph drawing 100ah on average, 132 VDC pack reading
125VDC). I must have been wasting energy with heating
up the old cables.
The interview went well (I usually do well), but I
got the typical, 'well you certainly are qualified,
and we would like to have as par of our team, but
you know with the economy the way it is, we are
losing contracts, and have too many people as it is.
... We will call you'.
They do have a possibility of an opening in Oregon. If
offered, I would just pull up stakes and go! (but
I have to be offered first).
Moving to an area that has no public EV charging is not
new EV drivers that do not live where it is available.
Face-it I am spoiled. I may not have a lot here, but
I have enought o make me quite happy.
If I did move, I would need to find a place to stay
that is within my round-trip range (20 there and 20
back with range just encase). After thinkin about it
awhile, I am not thrilled band-aiding a genset on
my bumper to get around. I like to use the cleaner
Electrical grid power.
...
I headed back North on Hwy 101, and stopped off in
Palo Alto to prod a company that I applied to, for
a status. I got another 'we will call you' :-o
My amp hours were looking good and this was a good
run of my pack. I was going to get on Hwy 101 again
but afternoon traffic was backed up, so I took the
side street that runs in parallel.
If I keep at a constant speed, running at 35mph does
well for me. I am only using 2.4ah per mile (stop-n-go
eats amps).
When I got back home I was at 87 ahs down out of
a 100 ah pack(the two yellow leds on my ecrusining
control meter were on). This time I had taken my
pack down more than usual and yet the pack still
responded well (no crawling back home). The new
cables and clean metal-to-metal connections have
done the trick.
My US-145 pack is about a year old now. I just watered
them last weekend and only used 1 gallon of distilled
water. This is less water than usual. I attribute this
to the PFC-50. I can use 2 gallons (or more) in my 132
VDC pack hen I do high power charging on a long distance
run.
But I have not done one of those since the Sacramento
Nedra.com drags, and I used the PFC charger most of the
time.
...
A side note. Tonight a new neighbor pulled in. I am now
surrounded by construction types. They each have a
full size diesel truck (RAM 1500, 2500, F150, etc.) to
pull there 5th wheel with pop-outs. It's going to be a
noisy 5-6am when when they warm all those diesels up
to go to work.
My EV is so quiet, they do not even notice when I come
or go. We EV drivers are a different breed.
:-zzz
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Sterling D. Allan is probably a busy man. He has a Yahoo! group,
Tilley_Fans, where he posts most of the messages.
He has a website http://www.greaterthings.com/
which covers a variety of energy, religious and political things.
Maybe there's information about Edwin Gray on his website or in messages
on his Yahoo! group.
By the way, his Yahoo! site has a lot about debunking and condemning Tilley.
Tom Shay
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
>
>
> > only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get this
> > privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> > Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >
> >
> > Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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A search for Edwin Gray with your favorite internet search engine will
turn up a number of hits for Edwin Gray and his magic motor .
Tom Shay
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
>
>
> > only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get this
> > privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> > Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >
> >
> > Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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The car manufacturers at the EVAA show in December said it would be more
like 30 years before fool cells and the infrastructure would be in place.
Even then it would be difficult to get below $300k per vehicle. Ford said
their car at the show cost them $4M to make today. Although it wasn't
discussed much I was told that in reality direct burn hydrogen piston
engines would become the norm but they are just following the government
dollars. They like being able to meter (industry) and road tax (government)
liquid or gas but electricity in it's present form is difficult for the
powers that be to control.
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From: "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
> Hmm.. its a shame that they cant just take the 1.2b and just buy
> lion batteries for us for 240,000 196v cars.
>
> Im sure 18kWHr would go a long way into useful life for cars. especially
> with lighter batteries.
>
> you could replace cars in a coupl of cities for that.. which is probably
> more than
> we can say for how many cars will be replaced by Fuel Cell Vehicles.
>
> --of course.. it wouldnt have to even be giveaways like that. i wonder if
> we spent the
> 1.2 on building plants <or grants to build them> to make li-ion
batteries..
> my how cheap they would be
>
> research is nice.. but that wont help get ride of dependence right now.
> besides.. the private sector is spending oodles of money to try to get
fuel
> cells affordable and working..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Hydrogen Fuel Cell / Battery Hybrid
>
>
> Tonight on a SF PBS TV station KQED their program 'This Week'
> http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing.jsp?progID=6380
> one on the panel stated, '... Bush's reference to hydrogen
> fuel cell vehicles is typical politician statements. He said
> it would be 15 years before they would available. That is
> ten years after his term even if he gets a second one ..."
>
>
> Meanwhile back at the ICE profit coffers ...
>
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I've only seen pictures of mosfets. My electronic experience sort of stops
about the same time they stopped puting tubes in stuff! If you could give me
some numbers to look for, I'd try to find those parts. Thanks,
I haven't used them myself and don't have specific part numbers. I found them
in the Farnell catalogue (www.farnell.co.uk) in the semiconductors section
(rather than optoelectronics).
Paul Compton
BVS technical officer www.bvs.org.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
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I have a large 48 charger avalible.call me 860 5269085jack grtta its free
in chester ct 06412
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Bob Rice
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 48 Volt charger wanted...
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From: Chris Tromley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: 48 Volt charger wanted...
> Jon wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a 48 Volt (for flooded lead-acid) charger.
> > Does anyone
> > have one they want to sell? I need one big enough to charge 8 Trojan
> > T-125s.
>
> Uh, maybe.
>
> I have the original 48V charger from my '80 Lectric Leopard. It's
> virtually brand new. The car has only 100 miles on it. It's just a
> transformer/rectifier with a Hi/Lo switch (different taps), an ammeter,
> a timer and a male 120V plug connector. Oh, and a 12V tap that is
> guaranteed to cook your accessory battery (so I've been told). No
> smarts. It's crude, heavy, reliable and isolated.
>
> I'd be happy to sell it, unless the transformer could be useful to me.
> Would it? It has more taps than are being used. (See sketch of the
> Leopard wiring, charger is at upper right. Thanks to Brian Matheny for
> the link: http://home.attbi.com/~bmatheny/lepschem.htm) Any chance it
> has a 120V tap so I could turn it into a 120V backup charger? I believe
> my Fair Radio charger is limited to 135VDC, not the ~156V(?) needed for
> a 120V pack. (We're well into the realm of things I don't understand
> here. The only reason I ask this is that I've read a Bad Boy can charge
> a 144V pack.)
> Hi All;
Had to break in here an' say that a Fair Radio charger WILL do a 120
volt pack, just FINE, it will go up to 150 volts softly, just fine. So, give
it a try, yul be presntly surprised! This is off a 120 volt outlet. Tryit on
240, it may go higher? Never needed it to. As for 120 volt Bad Boyz, they do
fine up to 126 volts, a plug it in and forget it charger. Almost went to a
126 volt Rabbit to have this featire, BUT wherethehell do you PUT another T
145 in a Rabbit, beyond 20, the glove compartment? Tried it with one plopped
behind the copilot's seat. Nice, but it seemed so clunky there. Of course
yur voltage may vary? I have ROCK solid 120 volt outlets at work an' at
home.
Charging along
Bob
> I'll take a look at the transformer tonight to see if there's a label
> that might help. Lacking that, I guess I could pug it in and poke at
> the taps with a voltmeter to see what it has.
>
> So, back to the question: If it's of no probable use for me, I have a
> basic charger in great condition that I'd be happy to sell.
>
> Chris
>
>
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"Because it postpones the need to make costly investments in an entirely new
infrastructure, it's likely that the conversion to a hydrogen economy will
rely heavily on working with the existing system of pipelines, storage
facilities and fuel stations used to produce and deliver oil and gas," said
Janice Mazurek, an environmental policy analyst at the Progressive Policy
Institute, a centrist Democratic group.
This is what the system is doing to go in a direction which will benefit the
current kingpins of the energy business. The oil companies. Lawrence
Rhodes..
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Mark Hanson wrote:
> The car manufacturers at the EVAA show in December said it would be
> more like 30 years before fool cells and the infrastructure would be
> in place.
... And 30 years ago, GM was displaying a fuel cell powered vehicle; a
converted 1965 GM van. It used the type of fuel cells developed by NASA
for the space program, high pressure H2 storage tanks, and an AC
electric drive motor and inverter similar to today's EV1.
They said then that such a vehicle would take "thirty years" to bring to
market.
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Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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> I've only seen pictures of mosfets. My electronic experience sort
> of stops about the same time they stopped putting tubes in stuff!
> If you could give me some numbers to look for, I'd try to find
> those parts.
If you really want a solid-state relay that can switch high power DC,
they are available -- but expensive. Here are some examples from Digikey
<www.digikey.co>, phone 800-344-4539 or 218-681-6674:
Crydom series 1 (the classic "hockey puck" package, 1.8" x 2.3" x 1",
screw terminals on top, must mount to a heatsink). Input: 3.5-32 volts
DC to turn on, under 1 volt to turn off. Output "contact" is SPST,
normally open.
D1007 100vdc 7amps $47.58
D1012 100vdc 12amps $52.58
D1020 100vdc 20amps $57.62
D1040 100vdc 40amps $71.58
D2007 200vdc 7amps $54.94
D2012 200vdc 12amps $63.32
D4007 400vdc 7amps $64.54
D4012 400vdc 12amps $86.98
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Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> rich wrote:
>
> Who's gonna be the first PFC50 Sparrow owner??? it can charge a Sparrow
> at 65+ amps. For those nice 20 minute fill ups....
>
> ---
> I'm looking forward to the -50.
> BTW - best throughput to date has been:
>
> input=208vac x 40a
> output=180vdc x 20.8a =~ 3.7kwh
>
> BR,
> Ed
Ed, Joe and list
Here are some amp numbers for a run of the line PFC50 Buck enhancer off
208 VAC
208VAC 50.4 amps 220 VDC 43.6ADC 9592watts
208VAC 50.4 191.7 47.9 9182
225VAC 50.2 191.7 51.2 9815
208.3 50.4 180.5 50.5 9115
208.2 50.4 170.7 52.3 8927
208.2 50.2 160.0 55.7 8912
208.2 50.2 149.3 58.5 8675
208.2 50.1 140.6 61.9 8703
208.2 50.1 130.6 65.4 8541
208.2 50.1 120.7 69.7 8412
208.2 50.1 110.8 74.5 8254
208.2 50.1 100.9 80.2 8092
208 47.2 90.6 83.0 7519
208.8 38.1 70.8 84.0 5947
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll buy one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
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From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
> regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
>
> -Sam Harper
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> > Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >
> >
> >> only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
> >> this
> >> privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> >> Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >>
> >>
> >> Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
> >> Rhodes...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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> "Because it postpones the need to make costly investments in an
> entirely new infrastructure, it's likely that the conversion to a
> hydrogen economy will rely heavily on working with the existing
> system of pipelines, storage facilities and fuel stations used to
> produce and deliver oil and gas"
Hydrogen is much less energy-dense than natural gas. If you used a
natural gas line for shipping hydrogen, you would *reduce* its capacity.
Using an oil pipeline for hydrogen would be immensely more wasteful.
They can't take the pressure if you ship it as a gas, and can't take the
cold if you ship it cryogenically. And, none of the existing pumps or
metering equipment would work.
The only sane way to ship hydrogen in pipelines will be in new,
dedicated pipelines, probably cryogenically cooled to get their capacity
up. This means an expensive new infrastructure.
So, for economic and technical reasons, they'll wind up shipping the
same old gas and oil in those pipelines. Then build new plants at the
receiving end to convert the gas or oil into hydrogen, for local use so
they don't have to ship it as hydrogen very far.
This does not sound like a good alternative to what we are doing today.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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I am noticing that my pack no longer goes down to 1 amp on charge. Maybe 2
amps then it draws more current. Many of my batteries drop below charge
voltage. Some don't and their external resistor gets real hot. One or two
melted the mounting plastic they were on. I think I cooked them for about
an hour and a half more than I should of charged. The voltage on the BC -20
actually went down about a half volt. None of the batteries went over
voltage the regulators are doing their job. I think the excess current is
converted into heat. Why? Why do some batteries drop in voltage and others
don't. These are 8v Delphi batteries. Car runs well. Pack seems healthy.
Lawrence Rhodes....
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I don't think they are figuring shipping pure H2 for reasons previously
discussed. However, if they used methanol and an on-board reformer, they
could ship methanol in existing pipelines using existing equipment with very
little changes. Even the tanks and pumps at gas stations could be used.
And of course, methanol would most likely be made from natural gas, under
control of the oil companies.
If fuel cell cars ever make it to market beyond a handful, I think this is
what we'll see. Then, perhaps when the fuel cell goes kapoot or they become
too expensive to by methanol for or maintain, I can buy one cheap and simply
replace the fuel cell and associated equipment with batteries. The ideal
glider.
Dave Davidson
1993 TEVan
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why electricity isn't the holy grail and hydrogen is.
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:35:04 -0800
> "Because it postpones the need to make costly investments in an
> entirely new infrastructure, it's likely that the conversion to a
> hydrogen economy will rely heavily on working with the existing
> system of pipelines, storage facilities and fuel stations used to
> produce and deliver oil and gas"
Hydrogen is much less energy-dense than natural gas. If you used a
natural gas line for shipping hydrogen, you would *reduce* its capacity.
Using an oil pipeline for hydrogen would be immensely more wasteful.
They can't take the pressure if you ship it as a gas, and can't take the
cold if you ship it cryogenically. And, none of the existing pumps or
metering equipment would work.
The only sane way to ship hydrogen in pipelines will be in new,
dedicated pipelines, probably cryogenically cooled to get their capacity
up. This means an expensive new infrastructure.
So, for economic and technical reasons, they'll wind up shipping the
same old gas and oil in those pipelines. Then build new plants at the
receiving end to convert the gas or oil into hydrogen, for local use so
they don't have to ship it as hydrogen very far.
This does not sound like a good alternative to what we are doing today.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Bob Thank for the update . I don;t know about others on the list but I love
to hear about others people's projects from beginning to that first ride :-)
. Glade you could sell your EV as I know that frustration of having to put
one down ( strip the ev parts out when car won't sell for the worth of the
parts). Great names , My friend Tom has named his the EVetti , . Well I
guess I'm due for an update on some of my projects and as I getting over a
cold ;-( and sitting around the house .
The Porsche 9/11was/12 ended up weighting 2450 lbs and with the big DCP
controller (rapture) in that light car , well what can I say. How happy is
Paul (the owner of http://paulsexotics.com/ )with it ? well you know that
EV 9/12 Porsche that was for sale a while back , he bought it . yep he's
going to put one of his fiber glass 9/11 body on it also. Say he wants to do
just EV's now and sounds like the rest of us EV nuts. Its getting a paint
job this week and will be back in my yard to have the repaired GE "9 motor
put back in. (will a blower that I made form vacuum cleaner on it this
time ) I haven't seen it since it left and am looking forward to a ride
with a seat and windshield.
The 72v hynida with fork lift motor is getting a "9 net gain motor .
Russ has been driving this under powered car for almost 2 years and is
taking the first step in upgrading. I have another hynida so his old motor
will have a home ,. wish he could just sell it and start over that way we'd
have 2 EV on the road instead of one . He's a Music teacher in a middle
school and say his EV is the first thing students from other schools want to
see. His friend Chris brought a car (Honda prelude with 4 wheel steering,
not one I would pick to convert) over 1/2 a year ago to convert and after
sitting in the back yard of the EV garage ( rental house one block down were
I store all these cars and Dan my machine friend lives) he has come up with
the money for a "9 motor. Once I get the motor in and throw in some old
batts and can give him some kind of ride I know the rest of the parts will
follow quickly. The Toyota trecell is coming along as. I am doing this one
with my EV friend Tom at his house. He has been doing his "from the ground
up" EV project for the last 15 years and I'd like to see him one the road
with a conversion (his plan is to sell it when done to get money to finish
his EV , guess if he was on the list he's know better :-). Tom has a friend
who is a retired machinist and he's telling me how the guy can make the hub
for the flywheel for $100 . I found that hard to believe but sure enough he
did . So after he made the torcell hub I gave him the flywheels from
Chris's and Russ's cars . Making the hub on the raggedy old lath I have is
one job I'm glad I won't have to do . Well be using steel plates for the
adaptor plates as usual. Nobody wants to spend any money as usual. Larry
the guy doing the suv is spending money. He got the vacuum pump for the
power brakes and a nice motor to run the AC and power steering. I still
don't have any good figures on how many amps/mph put 100/150amps for 45 mphs
, that's a heavy dog (don't know the weight yet) . He's got the bug now and
is already planning the next project (3 wheel motor cycle). I know Lee
say's we're on the down swing of the EV cycle but you can't tell it from
here with three "9 motors ordered at once to start off the new year. It was
so warm out yesterday I laid in the Florida sun with t shirt ,baking that
cold out and drinking lots of OJ. It's been a ruff cold winter here and
It's so nice to get back out side.
Steve Clunn
> Well, plenty has transpired since last week; or since
> my last post.
> VoltsRabbit #2 (Farfromsmoggen) has been sold. As
> a result, I found it only fitting that I become
> "CivicWithACord", instead of "Farfromsmoggen." With
> my EV fund established at the sale of the vehicle plus
> another 1K, I'm _ready to spend_. (;-p
> I've removed the spare tire, and the padding from
> the trunk of the car; installed a sweet CD player, but
> until the block is pulled, not much else to do but
> measure and DREAM and THINK.
> Called a local Honda dealer, and while they
> couldn't use the block, the service manager had a son
> with a hatchback who wanted it (only got 350K mi. out
> of _his_ engine). So here's my 16 valve 1.5 liter; I
> want at least $250 for the EV fund, right? Turns out
> he welds at the local HS, and needs a senior project
> to graduate, and _really_ wants a well-maintained
> engine + computer with 97K miles on it.
> I gave him my copy of "Convert It", and a really
> cool videotape shot by Lynn Adams, showing the guts
> and all of _his_ Civic, that mine will be quite
> similar to. Well, he's been bitten by the bug, and
> can't wait to start work on my project!
> The '92 sedan I will be using has sentimental
> value, as it carried my older daughter home when she
> was born 10 years ago. Turning it into an EV will
> immortalize it, (until it gets hit). Because it is a
> sedan, I will be able to sit 3 x 3 batteries (8V GC;
> sorry, I'm pretty set on them) in the spare tire tray.
> It's _huge_ and will sit on two beefy frame members.
> The senior should come up with the same idea as he
> designs the rack. I also have room for a battery
> inside/in front of the taillight, and the charger on
> the other side. Not certain how I'll ventilate the
> single (10th rear) battery by itself. This thing
> should be 144V by the time I'm done. If Jeff can get
> 18 in a hatchback, I can get at least that many in a
> sedan!
> Next step was purchasing the 8" motor. Damon
> Crockett has been horse-trading them like crazy with a
> friend who bought out some of Corbin's inventory.
> I've got to get a controller and DCDC anyway; makes
> sense to go through him anyway.
> Adapter plate: Nels Strandberg, who did Jeff
> Clearwater's conversion (sold to Lynn Adams). Nels
> has plenty of detailed drawings and our rigs are
> identical in front. Problem was, he can't locate the
> CAD file. I'll be able to pick up a core tranny for
> my vehicle for Nels to use as a template for anything
> he's missing. That keeps me from needing to remove
> half-shafts, etc. to send him mine.
> Here's the way it's looking:
> $8300 for parts, minimum (shipping will add more).
> This includes suspension upgrades.
> 6500 in budget.
> 1100 tax breaks in OR
> 300 Fed. tax break
>
> Also in the budget was $3K for a salvage Civic for me
> to drive, which will be sold the day CivicWithACord is
> completed, likely for the same price as purchase.
>
> Whole thing should run me about $600 in the red, since
> I'm basically "trading up", as EVs go.
>
> Some things for novices:
> Yes, I love the body style of a '92 4 dr. Civic. And
> there are plenty of replacement parts in salvage
> yards. They are the "Rabbits" of the 90's.
> No, I don't have automotive expertise. I'm a biology
> major, who got into electronics because my parents
> wouldn't support my electric guitar playing, and I
> wanted a distortion box, and all of those other nifty
> stomp-boxes. So, yes, I can read a schematic and then
> some. Love to take things apart. If it sounds like I
> am going to need to tap the expertise of others, you
> would be correct. I don't weld, and I don't work on
> suspensions without prior instruction.
> Yes, I have EV expertise. Have wired controllers,
> fabbed interconnects, wired an E-meter, to name a few.
> Took a great class in So. Cal. at a JC.
>
> If you're bored by this post, join the club! I'm
> _smogging and I can't stop myself_ until this project
> is done, and I need the block pulled! Can't wait to
> talk to my new friend about his timeline!
>
> So for the record, Farfromsmoggen is now _smogging_,
> but he's soon to be driving CivicWithACord!
>
>
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> I am noticing that my pack no longer goes down to 1 amp on charge. Maybe 2
> amps then it draws more current. Many of my batteries drop below charge
> voltage. Some don't and their external resistor gets real hot. One or two
> melted the mounting plastic they were on. I think I cooked them for about
> an hour and a half more than I should of charged. The voltage on the BC -20
> actually went down about a half volt. None of the batteries went over
> voltage the regulators are doing their job. I think the excess current is
> converted into heat. Why? Why do some batteries drop in voltage and others
> don't. These are 8v Delphi batteries. Car runs well. Pack seems healthy.
> Lawrence Rhodes....
Thermal runaway... nasty thing in old batteries.
Make sure the regs are NOT fried and in constant shorted load mode.
You have a history of nukeing Regs.
I have some here that are pretty wasted...there are a couple of new Reg
Abusers out there.... You are not alone.
Ah for forensic Electronics teching.....
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> http://www.nbc11.com/technology/1909403/detail.html Lawrence Rhodes
Very clever. Zap car indeed CAN go 240 miles on charge AND does
it at 70 mph AND you can have one for $10k. All true.
The catch: they are talking about 2 different ZAPs: the one for
$10k is NEV 25 mph one, with looks like 50 Ah Chinese LiIons.
The other one 240 miles/70 mph is $25k, uses I think 200 Ah LiIon
cells. I can check that.
I have the link to the article, but it's at home, can't present it
here at the moment.
But, as we all know how ads work, they present the best performing ZAP
and say "a" ZAP _starts_ at $10k hoping your mind associate the two.
And, legally, they didn't lie. Indeed very clever.
You know, Toyotas probably can go 250 mph, be 55 mpg efficient AND
cost $11k new. They're not obligated to say it is not the same car.
If you order ZAP be sure to ask which one you get not to be very
disappointed.
Victor
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You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll buy
one.
> Lawrence Rhodes..
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
>
>
> > I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
> > regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
> >
> > -Sam Harper
> >
> > On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> >
> > > Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> > >
> > >
> > >> only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
> > >> this
> > >> privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> > >> Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
> > >> Rhodes...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
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Hi!
A couple of weeks back I saw a Toyota Ego on the sidewalk here. Looked like
a really little car, but had california plates and said it was an electric
car.
What is it? What is the story? Do these exist? Range/availibility/etc?
Chris
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Are you thinking about the E-com?
http://www.evworld.com/archives/testdrives/ecom.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/235.html
http://www.apep.uci.edu/ecom/purpose.html
http://www.autoworld.com/news/Toyota/Ecom.htm
http://pressroom.toyota.com/mediakit/toyota/2002kit/ecom_r.html
-Ed T
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Zach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What was the Ego
Hi!
A couple of weeks back I saw a Toyota Ego on the sidewalk here. Looked like
a really little car, but had california plates and said it was an electric
car.
What is it? What is the story? Do these exist? Range/availibility/etc?
Chris
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I saw nothing to the effect of Mr.Tilley on their website. I run
Distortion Networks Inc, a R&D firm. Many groups do not wish to deal
with individuals, and I find that being behind a corporation aids in
doing research. I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time. I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
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Hi guys,
There are many bad things being said about perendev on other lists
Be careful.
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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That was it, E.com. What the heck is it, and how many were made?
Apparently at least two, and one is in private hands (and was in DC) at this
point. The one in question was just sitting waiting to be parked at a
parking garage.
Is it a real car, or an NEV? Is it for sale; would be an excellent
compliment to dragging the Prizm all over the place. And with somewhat
longer range to boot :-)
Chris
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: What was the Ego
> Are you thinking about the E-com?
> http://www.evworld.com/archives/testdrives/ecom.html
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/235.html
> http://www.apep.uci.edu/ecom/purpose.html
> http://www.autoworld.com/news/Toyota/Ecom.htm
> http://pressroom.toyota.com/mediakit/toyota/2002kit/ecom_r.html
>
> -Ed T
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It appears I've located the missing Zebra roadster from Nash
Bridges, well almost. It was to be sold at an auction in Scottsdale last month with
some other of Don Johnson's cars.
Hmm I thought he said he didn't have it ;) I can find the car listed but not as sold
or as still for sale. Some of his other cars are listed as sold but not this one.
Anybody for a $148,000 Cuda? Ouch! I've got an email into the auction house. We'll see
if they answer.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/daylist.asp?auctionid=45&inventoryid=1403
Steve
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