EV Digest 2573
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Curious battery behavior.
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
by Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Fw: More EV Calculator
by "Alan Shedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Fw: EV Calculator
by "Alan Shedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: PFC20 vs Sparrow - there is hope
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Begin Message ---
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if there is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your in florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these". Why not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
> I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
> attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
> present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric vehicle
> that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
>, nor do I feel that I am
> skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a hourse but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for somthing new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get your company
in on the ground floor.
> I'd like to
> learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
> whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
> away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
> anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there products alone ,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if they don't
have somthing working .
> -Sam Harper
>
> On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
>
> > You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those spinning
> > ,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
> > sit and
> > float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
> > went to
> > the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind
> > the HO
> > (hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the
> > mud.
> > I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on
> > making
> > some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
> > Steve Clunn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> >
> >
> >> Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll buy
> > one.
> >> Lawrence Rhodes..
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
> >>> regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
> >>>
> >>> -Sam Harper
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>> To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
> >>>>> Rhodes...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
No money :). I do have a bit of a hypothetical for people, though:
-If I have a generator, lets say a 15kw or 20kw generator in my EV, DC,
336 volt. It operates all the time when the vehicle is on, and on
afterwards to charge the small pack.
-And I have a 15 ah 336 volt string of deep cycles or lithium ions
plugged into that generator.
-And I have a string of 336 volt capacitors plugged into that string
-And I have one an AC drive system installed, nothing big, but enough
to get me going. Lets use the performance plot from Victor's CRX
(http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/acura336V.gif).
With regenerative braking used to charge the small deep cycle pack, and
the vehicle not going on trips much longer than say, 50 miles, in
theory, would it need to be charged from an outside source? I know I'm
vague, and I'm not asking details or even yes/no, but more of an
opinion. Thanks guys.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but
somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if there
is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your in
florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful
expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these". Why
not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a
hourse but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't
matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for somthing
new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get your
company
in on the ground floor.
I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there products
alone ,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if they
don't
have somthing working .
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those
spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll
buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected)
get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Sam,
I believe you answered your own question in the first part of your
statement. As long as the generator runs long enough after the vehicle is
shut off to fully charge the pack, it will never have to be plugged in. The
charger doesn't care where it gets the electricity from - grid or generator.
What you would have is basically a series hybrid. The real advantage to
such a setup would be if you had a sufficiently large pack to handle most of
your driving needs and could recharge by plugging in, not having to run the
generator. If you have to get all of your power from gasoline running the
generator, it will be more economical to just drive a gasoline car. You
could also put a very small engine in a car with a small pack, recharge the
pack from the engine, and drive the car on the gasoline engine with the
electric system to provide a boost when you need more power than the gas
engine offers. This would be effectively what the current hybrids do. It
probably wouldn't be too hard to set it up where your gas engine would stop
when stopped and your electric motor would start it, like the current ones
do. You would probably have to do manually what they do automatically, but
it would be doable if you were so inclined.
If you decide to build such a setup, I'll be curious to see what you come up
with.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:24:52 -0500
No money :). I do have a bit of a hypothetical for people, though:
-If I have a generator, lets say a 15kw or 20kw generator in my EV, DC, 336
volt. It operates all the time when the vehicle is on, and on afterwards
to charge the small pack.
-And I have a 15 ah 336 volt string of deep cycles or lithium ions plugged
into that generator.
-And I have a string of 336 volt capacitors plugged into that string
-And I have one an AC drive system installed, nothing big, but enough to
get me going. Lets use the performance plot from Victor's CRX
(http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/acura336V.gif).
With regenerative braking used to charge the small deep cycle pack, and the
vehicle not going on trips much longer than say, 50 miles, in theory, would
it need to be charged from an outside source? I know I'm vague, and I'm
not asking details or even yes/no, but more of an opinion. Thanks guys.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but
somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if there is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your in
florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these". Why not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a hourse
but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for somthing new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get your
company
in on the ground floor.
I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there products alone
,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if they
don't
have somthing working .
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
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--- Begin Message ---
Dave,
What I was trying to get at was the implications of the product
Perendev has claimed to have created. If in fact their technology is
valid, my hypothetical setup would be capable of operation and in
theory create a vehicle requiring no fuel.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dave Davidson wrote:
Sam,
I believe you answered your own question in the first part of your
statement. As long as the generator runs long enough after the
vehicle is shut off to fully charge the pack, it will never have to be
plugged in. The charger doesn't care where it gets the electricity
from - grid or generator. What you would have is basically a series
hybrid. The real advantage to such a setup would be if you had a
sufficiently large pack to handle most of your driving needs and could
recharge by plugging in, not having to run the generator. If you have
to get all of your power from gasoline running the generator, it will
be more economical to just drive a gasoline car. You could also put a
very small engine in a car with a small pack, recharge the pack from
the engine, and drive the car on the gasoline engine with the electric
system to provide a boost when you need more power than the gas engine
offers. This would be effectively what the current hybrids do. It
probably wouldn't be too hard to set it up where your gas engine would
stop when stopped and your electric motor would start it, like the
current ones do. You would probably have to do manually what they do
automatically, but it would be doable if you were so inclined.
If you decide to build such a setup, I'll be curious to see what you
come up with.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:24:52 -0500
No money :). I do have a bit of a hypothetical for people, though:
-If I have a generator, lets say a 15kw or 20kw generator in my EV,
DC, 336 volt. It operates all the time when the vehicle is on, and
on afterwards to charge the small pack.
-And I have a 15 ah 336 volt string of deep cycles or lithium ions
plugged into that generator.
-And I have a string of 336 volt capacitors plugged into that string
-And I have one an AC drive system installed, nothing big, but enough
to get me going. Lets use the performance plot from Victor's CRX
(http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/acura336V.gif).
With regenerative braking used to charge the small deep cycle pack,
and the vehicle not going on trips much longer than say, 50 miles, in
theory, would it need to be charged from an outside source? I know
I'm vague, and I'm not asking details or even yes/no, but more of an
opinion. Thanks guys.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but
somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if
there is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your in
florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful
expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these". Why
not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric
vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a
hourse but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't
matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for
somthing new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get your
company
in on the ground floor.
I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there products
alone ,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if
they don't
have somthing working .
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those
spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse
behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through
the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning
on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works
I'll buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward
information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected)
get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated?
Lawrence
Rhodes...
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> I am noticing that my pack no longer goes down to 1 amp on charge. Maybe 2
> amps then it draws more current. Many of my batteries drop below charge
> voltage. Some don't and their external resistor gets real hot. One or two
> melted the mounting plastic they were on. I think I cooked them for about
> an hour and a half more than I should of charged. The voltage on the BC -20
> actually went down about a half volt. None of the batteries went over
> voltage the regulators are doing their job. I think the excess current is
> converted into heat. Why? Why do some batteries drop in voltage and others
> don't. These are 8v Delphi batteries. Car runs well. Pack seems healthy.
Some guesses:
1. the batteries are getting old.
2. the batteries have lost some water.
3. the batteries are hot.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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--- Begin Message ---
Sam,
Didn't think of it that way. If the machine actually worked, it would
produce electricity and the charger would take it just the same as from
anywhere else. However, every so-called perpetual motion machine I've ever
heard of is just a perpetual money sink. At best, it's a misguided inventor
who thinks he has something due to misleading measurements. At worst, it's
an outright scam. I got my EE degree in 1975, but I don't believe the laws
of physics has changed since then. Give me one to put in my TEVan and drive
for a month and THEN I'll believe, but not until.
I'm not from Missouri, but share their philosophy.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:05:00 -0500
05 Feb 2003 03:06:59.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63EAE90:01C2CCC3]
Dave,
What I was trying to get at was the implications of the product Perendev
has claimed to have created. If in fact their technology is valid, my
hypothetical setup would be capable of operation and in theory create a
vehicle requiring no fuel.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dave Davidson wrote:
Sam,
I believe you answered your own question in the first part of your
statement. As long as the generator runs long enough after the vehicle is
shut off to fully charge the pack, it will never have to be plugged in.
The charger doesn't care where it gets the electricity from - grid or
generator. What you would have is basically a series hybrid. The real
advantage to such a setup would be if you had a sufficiently large pack to
handle most of your driving needs and could recharge by plugging in, not
having to run the generator. If you have to get all of your power from
gasoline running the generator, it will be more economical to just drive a
gasoline car. You could also put a very small engine in a car with a
small pack, recharge the pack from the engine, and drive the car on the
gasoline engine with the electric system to provide a boost when you need
more power than the gas engine offers. This would be effectively what the
current hybrids do. It probably wouldn't be too hard to set it up where
your gas engine would stop when stopped and your electric motor would
start it, like the current ones do. You would probably have to do
manually what they do automatically, but it would be doable if you were so
inclined.
If you decide to build such a setup, I'll be curious to see what you come
up with.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:24:52 -0500
No money :). I do have a bit of a hypothetical for people, though:
-If I have a generator, lets say a 15kw or 20kw generator in my EV, DC,
336 volt. It operates all the time when the vehicle is on, and on
afterwards to charge the small pack.
-And I have a 15 ah 336 volt string of deep cycles or lithium ions
plugged into that generator.
-And I have a string of 336 volt capacitors plugged into that string
-And I have one an AC drive system installed, nothing big, but enough to
get me going. Lets use the performance plot from Victor's CRX
(http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/acura336V.gif).
With regenerative braking used to charge the small deep cycle pack, and
the vehicle not going on trips much longer than say, 50 miles, in theory,
would it need to be charged from an outside source? I know I'm vague,
and I'm not asking details or even yes/no, but more of an opinion.
Thanks guys.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but
somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if there is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your in
florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful
expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these". Why not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a hourse
but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't
matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for somthing
new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get your
company
in on the ground floor.
I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there products
alone ,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if they
don't
have somthing working .
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500 watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are planning on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works I'll
buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already selected) get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated? Lawrence
Rhodes...
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My feelings exactly. :) I'm willing to invest a little time to see if
its a scam or not. I will divulge my needs to them in order to create
a useable vehicle. If they can agree to create product that can
fulfill those needs, and actually deliver a demonstration, then we will
move further. I'll keep you all updated.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 10:13 PM, Dave Davidson wrote:
Sam,
Didn't think of it that way. If the machine actually worked, it would
produce electricity and the charger would take it just the same as
from anywhere else. However, every so-called perpetual motion machine
I've ever heard of is just a perpetual money sink. At best, it's a
misguided inventor who thinks he has something due to misleading
measurements. At worst, it's an outright scam. I got my EE degree in
1975, but I don't believe the laws of physics has changed since then.
Give me one to put in my TEVan and drive for a month and THEN I'll
believe, but not until.
I'm not from Missouri, but share their philosophy.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:05:00 -0500
05 Feb 2003 03:06:59.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[A63EAE90:01C2CCC3]
Dave,
What I was trying to get at was the implications of the product
Perendev has claimed to have created. If in fact their technology is
valid, my hypothetical setup would be capable of operation and in
theory create a vehicle requiring no fuel.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dave Davidson wrote:
Sam,
I believe you answered your own question in the first part of your
statement. As long as the generator runs long enough after the
vehicle is shut off to fully charge the pack, it will never have to
be plugged in. The charger doesn't care where it gets the
electricity from - grid or generator. What you would have is
basically a series hybrid. The real advantage to such a setup would
be if you had a sufficiently large pack to handle most of your
driving needs and could recharge by plugging in, not having to run
the generator. If you have to get all of your power from gasoline
running the generator, it will be more economical to just drive a
gasoline car. You could also put a very small engine in a car with
a small pack, recharge the pack from the engine, and drive the car
on the gasoline engine with the electric system to provide a boost
when you need more power than the gas engine offers. This would be
effectively what the current hybrids do. It probably wouldn't be
too hard to set it up where your gas engine would stop when stopped
and your electric motor would start it, like the current ones do.
You would probably have to do manually what they do automatically,
but it would be doable if you were so inclined.
If you decide to build such a setup, I'll be curious to see what you
come up with.
Dave
From: Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:24:52 -0500
No money :). I do have a bit of a hypothetical for people, though:
-If I have a generator, lets say a 15kw or 20kw generator in my EV,
DC, 336 volt. It operates all the time when the vehicle is on, and
on afterwards to charge the small pack.
-And I have a 15 ah 336 volt string of deep cycles or lithium ions
plugged into that generator.
-And I have a string of 336 volt capacitors plugged into that string
-And I have one an AC drive system installed, nothing big, but
enough to get me going. Lets use the performance plot from
Victor's CRX (http://www.metricmind.com/line_art/acura336V.gif).
With regenerative braking used to charge the small deep cycle pack,
and the vehicle not going on trips much longer than say, 50 miles,
in theory, would it need to be charged from an outside source? I
know I'm vague, and I'm not asking details or even yes/no, but more
of an opinion. Thanks guys.
-Sam
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:34 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
Hi Sam
Have you been for a ride in a "real EV" yet . Not a 25 mph NEV but
somthing
that will go at least 60 mph and feels like a car. I'm sure if
there is
sombody in your area with one they will give your a ride. If your
in florida
you can give me a call/e-mail 772-465-1982- . Its a wonderful
expearince
that will leave you wondering "why are there not more of these".
Why not
have you company send you on a little R$D to Florida .
I'd like to build electric vehicles, and I have
attempted to investigate the market, but I dont feel that at the
present time technology would allow for a "turn-key" electric
vehicle
that would meet modern day expectations
What do you feel are modern day expectations of EV's?
, nor do I feel that I am
skilled enough to operate such a venture at this time.
There was a lot more to driving the first gas cars than feeding a
hourse but
when people felt the excitment of the first gas cars that didn't
matter.
With everthing thats happening right now people are ready for
somthing new
and exciting that will make them feel free of forign oil , get
your company
in on the ground floor.
I'd like to
learn more about Perendev and their products in order to
understand
whether what they claim to have is true, or false. I will not
turn
away from any technology until proven false, but I will not invest
anything.
I hope your investagation of EV's dose not depend on there
products alone ,
There are planty of on the road EV's right now for you to try if
they don't
have somthing working .
-Sam Harper
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 06:23 PM, 1sclunn wrote:
You'll buy , I want one for the hood of my EV now. All those
spinning
,swriling , rotating magnets, . If I could just get a small one
to
sit and
float 3" above the hood of the car (It would be worth 500
watts). I
went to
the web site and was shooked to see ,the insperational forse
behind
the HO
(hood ornament) Mr. tillie , was having his name drug through
the
mud.
I'd like to hear more about Sam's company and if they are
planning on
making
some kind of electric car. How fast how far ect.
Steve Clunn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
Well you go Sam. Let us know what you find out. If it works
I'll buy
one.
Lawrence Rhodes..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact. Edwin Gray the answer.
I got a much different response. I was told to forward
information
regarding my company in order to schedule a telephone
conference.
-Sam Harper
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Lawrence Rhodes
wrote:
Same answers. Same dodging. Same BS. Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
only those directly involved in the project (already
selected) get
this
privilege at this point. You'll have to wait a while.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Perendev.co.za U.S. Contact
Where can I see your product or products demonstrated?
Lawrence
Rhodes...
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More questions about the EV Calculator. If any of you have an
address for Uve Rick or can help answer my questions, I would appreciate
your
input.
Thanks.
-Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Shedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:54 PM
Subject: EV Calculator
> Hi:
>
> Another EV Calculator question:
>
> When I select a T-145 battery from the selection box, I get the following
> data loaded:
>
> Voltage = 6
> Weight = 71
> Puekert Exp = 1.31
> Puekert Capacity = 540
> Max Current = 800
> Internal resistance = 0.0036
>
> When I go to your battery page, I find the following info on a T-145
(these
> numbers for AH capacity and Reserve Cap agree with those on the Trojan
> Battery web site)
> Voltage = 6
> Weight = 71
> Pkrt num = 1.14
> 20 hr AH Cap = 244
> Reserve Cap = 530
> Internal resistance = 0.0036
>
> Using http://www.unicorn-trading.nl/epeukert.html to calculate Peukert
> Exponent and Capacity for the T-145 from 20-hr AH and Reserve capacity, I
> get 1.14 and 346 respectively.
>
> Which should I use in the EV Calculator?
> Pkrt Exp = 1.14 or 1.31?
> Is the value used in the EV Calculator the Puekert Capacity or the
> Reserve Capacity?
>
> As you know, the simulation results are quite sensitive to these values.
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> -Alan
>
> Alan C. Shedd, P.E.
> Advisor to Georgia's Electric Vehicle Education Program
> (cell) 770-654-0027
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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I'm trying to contact Uve Rick about the online EV Calculator at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8679/evcalc.html
The email address for him on the website didn't work. If any of you have an
address for him or can help answer my questions, I would appreciate your
input.
Thanks.
-Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Shedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: EV Calculator
> Hi:
>
> I like your Web-based EV Calculator. I have used if several times to get
a
> better idea of what's possible and make some comparisons on the relative
> impact of options. As I understand it, the range values calculated are
> based on steady-state operation and probably represents the upper limit of
> what the vehicle could attain.
>
> I would like to get a more accurate assessment of the impact of stop and
go
> driving, something more representative of how someone actually drives.
Due
> to the higher current draws during acceleration, battery
> capacity drops more rapidly. Do you have any suggestions of how I can do
> this type of calculation?
>
> One result that doesn't make sense is the wind speed entry. I ran two
> calculations, one with wind = 0, the other with wind = 10. The run using
> wind = 10 produced more range. Are you assuming the wind is always behind
> the vehicle? What am I missing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Alan
>
> Alan C. Shedd, P.E.
> Advisor to Georgia's Electric Vehicle Education Program
> (cell) 770-654-0027
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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That 84 amps output must play havoc with that 80 amp output fuse.
Can you turn it down so it won't leave someone stranded by turning the amp
knob up too high? Your other choice is to put 90 amp fuses into the buck
enhancer models.
Darned hot rodders.
Always have to push the limits.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: PFC20 vs Sparrow - there is hope
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > rich wrote:
> >
> > Who's gonna be the first PFC50 Sparrow owner??? it can charge a Sparrow
> > at 65+ amps. For those nice 20 minute fill ups....
> >
> > ---
> > I'm looking forward to the -50.
> > BTW - best throughput to date has been:
> >
> > input=208vac x 40a
> > output=180vdc x 20.8a =~ 3.7kwh
> >
> > BR,
> > Ed
>
>
> Ed, Joe and list
>
> Here are some amp numbers for a run of the line PFC50 Buck enhancer off
> 208 VAC
>
> 208VAC 50.4 amps 220 VDC 43.6ADC 9592watts
> 208VAC 50.4 191.7 47.9 9182
> 225VAC 50.2 191.7 51.2 9815
> 208.3 50.4 180.5 50.5 9115
> 208.2 50.4 170.7 52.3 8927
> 208.2 50.2 160.0 55.7 8912
> 208.2 50.2 149.3 58.5 8675
> 208.2 50.1 140.6 61.9 8703
> 208.2 50.1 130.6 65.4 8541
> 208.2 50.1 120.7 69.7 8412
> 208.2 50.1 110.8 74.5 8254
> 208.2 50.1 100.9 80.2 8092
> 208 47.2 90.6 83.0 7519
> 208.8 38.1 70.8 84.0 5947
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
>
>
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