EV Digest 2595
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Current Eliminator News/how can this knowledge help the average EVer.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Question about Curtis 1221 with ADC 9"
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) 'Junkyard Wars' is looking for new contestants
by Jay Donnaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Urgent-Well head to car vs. EV efficiency article
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Question about Curtis 1221 with ADC 9"
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EV speed record
by Henry Deaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EVLN(WA sez Electric Sparrow is a motorbike)
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: OT Proposed Solar Tax
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Re: Ebay Electric Rabbit
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10) Re: Current Eliminator News/how can this knowledge help the average EVer.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Got Isolation?
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Ebay Electric Rabbit
by Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) OT: looking for specific site with cartrailer
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14) Re: Current Eliminator News/how can this knowledge help the average EVer.
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Tilley Scam Exposed in the Media
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Solectria Force Problem
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Current Eliminator News/how can this knowledge help the average EVer.
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) Re: Solectria Force Problem
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Solectria Force Problem
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Solectria Force Problem
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) 1996 NiMH Solectria Force for sale?
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Battery Management and Regulators
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: EVLN(Plenty of free EV parking, with no production EVs availa
ble)
by "Walker, Lesley R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EVLN(FPL raises Electricity prices as fuel goes up)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: Got Isolation?
by "David McAlister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: EV speed record
by Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This might be the kind of information that some of us average ev users might
make use of. My bike is moderately slow. I would really like to improve
the performance. At 48v and 400 amps with an A89 what could I do to improve
performance. IE: hill climbing and acceleration without degrading
dependability or hurting the motor. One thing that comes to mind is jacking
up the back wheel turning the system on. Spin at a slow speed and adjust
the brushes untill it spins as fast as possible. Is this dangerous or a
valid technique. Next question how do you adjust brush angle and timing?
Are there other adjustments I should know about. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News
> Another saturday at Speedworld in Pho.The Current Eliminator went quicker
and
> faster today but it took the last run of the day for it to happen.I did a
> gear ratio change that went the wrong way.So next weekend it will go back
to
> what I had last weekend.I did however let the brushes move away from close
to
> netural at the starting line to a more advanced position at the finish
> line.Results were amazing,nearly .42sec. better off the line with a great
> increase in mph at the far end.Motor amps nearly doubled the last eight
> mile.It will take many more runs down the track to dial in this brush
moving
> system but the results are very promising.I still have 4 power supplys in
the
> pack that are weak,so I have yet to lean on this low voltage pack.Oh what
fun
> this is. Come on George
an
> Net Gain/Warp Motors/Nasa/Warfield motors Bring your Car Show Best
enginered
> electric dragster,New Record Holder to Vegas.......Go faster an quicker
and I
> will pay your way... nedra....... OUTLAW Dennis KILL A WATT Berube
>
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David,
I've got a 1221C that I had rebuilt by Curtis and then never used if that's helpful.
Steve
In a message dated 2/15/2003 1:05:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, "David (Battery Boy)
Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>All,
>I'm helping a local EV'er, not on this list, with his 120VDC Toyota truck
>conversion that he had bought used. After he put batteries in and drove it
>for a number of months, it recently left him stranded with an EV frown! I
>just diagnosed that he has a dead Curtis 1221C, so he is thinking about
>buying a used 1221B from another local EV'er to replace it. I had heard,
>and I think Peter mentioned this recently on the list, that the 1221 is too
>small for the 9". Does anyone know if this is model specific, like the "B"
>might be better, or should he switch to a 1231? His truck is an early
>standard cab, and a lot lighter than mine, and I had to switch from a 1231
>to a H2O cooled Raptor because the 1231 was overheating, even after adding
>a larger heat sink. I think he experienced a thermal cutback one day last
>summer, but otherwise the 1221C has been trouble free. Also, his controller
>is mounted directly behind the cab in a utility box (on a large heat sink),
>which I've heard can help with the mismatch when used with the 9" motor, in
>that the longer cables add inductance.
>
>Thanks for your time,
>Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
>Executive VP of the Denver Electric Vehicle Council
>(With an emphasis on youth education)
>http://www.devc.org/
>Lyons, CO
>1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's, for the 16 year-old son!)
>1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
>
>
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-Surely some of you "Plasma Boys" could give ratings a boost,eh?
Help Us Bring On The Junk! Take a tour stop in our Junkyard!
'Junkyard Wars' is looking for new contestants to compete on the 2003
series.
'Junkyard Wars' (broadcast on TLC Wednesdays @ 9) is an Emmy nominated
hour-long engineering talent show that pits teams of mechanics and engineers
against each other. Teams of contestants are given ten hours to build a
machine to solve a specific challenge using parts they salvage from a
junkyard. The winners go onto further rounds and a chance to get their hands
on the coveted Junkyard Wars trophy!
In contrast to previous seasons, this year we are looking for individual
applicants who are skilled at putting together sophisticated machinery and
not
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'Junkyard Wars' wants applications from people of all ages, races,
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If you think you match the description or you know of someone who does
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Sorry to hit the list wioth this so late , but I have a speach to
give on EV's today (12 noon West cost time)and need to find the
article that was talked about toward the end of last year that
compared the Well head to car vs. EV efficiency using power line
losses, etc.
Also, if anyone has access to previous EV speaches and could send
them to me or send a link, I would appriciate it.
If you mean the one by Chip Gribben, here it is:
http://www.princeton.edu/~bcjones/transportation/ev/myths.html
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers, now available.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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Actually Mike Any Curtis first needs the heatsink properly attached to the
controller, THEN good free airflow. Or Fan forced is still needed.
Acknowledged, yes, it does require a heatsink, although not necessarily a
finned one, depending on application. I didn't mention that, but yes, I
know it has to be there. Also needs heatsink grease to give good contact
to the heatsink.
Mike Brown
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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The ECTA uses the Southern California Timing Association (SCTA) rules with
a few minor changes. EV's are put into one of three streamliner classes,
based on total vehicle weight:
Class 1, under 1099 lbs (less than 500 kg)
Class 2, 1100 to 2200 lbs (500 to 1000 kg)
Class 3, over 2200 lbs (over 1000 kg)
They also have some fairly stringent safety rules that I don't think your
average NEDRA-machine would meet. For example, your car will need at a
minimum a roll bar or roll cage, a fire extinguishing system, and a
competition seat-belt. The driver will need an SFI-rated suit, plus
SFI-rated boots, and gloves. The specific requirements are based on the
anticipated vehicle speed or the speed of the class record.
If you want to run with the ECTA, I'd recommend getting a copy of the rule
book right away and also contacting someone on the ECTA technical committee
to discuss your plans.
So, while the speed for the record seems "low", I don't think you could
just show up with a NEDRA/NHRA EV drag racing vehicle and be able to
compete. But, if you do make your machine ECTA-legal, I bet you'd have a
lot of fun running there. Just think, it's a 1.2 mile long dragstrip!
Henry Deaton
(still working on my electric LSR motorcycle)
At 10:03 PM 2/16/2003 -0800, you wrote:
It's looks like they make new class's as they need them, so it should be
easy for some of those Power of DC racers, most EV transmissions never see
fourth gear.
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "Seth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: EV speed record
> http://www.ecta-lsr.com/recordscars1.htm
>
> The East Coast timing association has an electric class, and the 1 mile
> record is ~115 mph. I think there are a few people on the list who could
> raise that a bit. I have heard is it an overgrown dragstrip for a
> course, nothing like the salt flats, but it might be relatively easy
> pickings for an EV drag car. I don't have the rule book, and it isn't
> online (that I saw) though.
>
> Seth
> --
> vze3v25q@verizondotnet
>
>
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I would also like to read more details about that $ 115K installation.
Maybe it was a typo and should have been 11.5K or 15K.
It would need to be a very large roof to install that many PV panels
unless
they charged him list price on all the equipment plus labor.
Does anyone have e-mail address for Bob Demont or does he belong to any
of the other energy list (alternative energy, wind energy, etc. ) ?
The only way 115K would be repaid in 17 years would be for electric rates
to double every other year and that is not out of the realm of
possibility given the fact that my electric rates have gone up four fold
in the last 25 years with the utilities being regulated and will be able
to increase uncontrollably at the beginning of 2004 when they are totally
deregulated in CT.
Which is why I am increasing my PV array from 1KW to 5KW and will attempt
to go off the grid.
Menlo Park III,
Bill, Glastonbury, CT
> Modesto resident Bob DeMont, took the California energy crisis real
> seriously. During the worst of the shortages, he cut power consumption
> at his home by 40 percent and has since gone on to install a $115,000
> solar system on his roof.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:14:09 -0800 "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I'd like to read more about this system. $115,000 is big money
> and should buy an awesome system. The 5000 watt system
> described in the latest issue of Home Power Magazine cost "only"
> $38,000.
>
> It would also be interesting to see calculations supporting
> his expectation of getting his investment back in 17 years. I 'm
> not convinced that any PV system ever repays its cost. Assume 5
> percent interest ($5750 per year). If his system nets $5750 per
> year
> in savings on his electric bill, he breaks even. Anything over
> $5750 can be considered return on investment and might someday
> pay him back his $115,000 investment. All calculations I've
> seen that show break even after a few years, ignore interest
> expense and recovery of initial investment. Let's hear from Otmar
> who can probably explain a more optimistic way to calculate
> return on investment.
>
> Of course, any tax levied on his electricity produced would make
> prospects of recovering any return on investment even more
> remote.
>
> Tom Shay
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Does anyone have the history of that SCT company that built this Rabbit
with a Siemen's Compound Wound motor ? When, where, how many were made
and for what purpose (fleet only) ?????
Controller ?
Thanks.
Menlo Park III,
Bill
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:13:35 -0800 Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> >From what I can sell of the description and photos on this vehicle,
> it's an
> SCT conversion, like mine. Located in Philadelphia. Currently at
> $800, with
> no reserve, four days until auction ends:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2403806406&;
cat
> egory=15294
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Hi Lawrence,I am not sure that a brush advancing system such as I am using
would work well on a street machine.My brushes automatily start out in an
advanced position when doing the burnout.This keep the brush arcing down when
the motor rpms go over 6000rpm in less than1.2sec.I then bring the brushes
closer to netural on the stageing line before I click on the second amber
bulb.After the car leaves the line a adjustable timing delay occurs then the
brushes move to a more advanced position down track.The mech. has been built
into a pretty much stock brush housing on my ge type motor.So the effect is
lots of torque off the line and the motor wants to spin faster at the top end
of the qt.mile.Otmars new hairball controller may someday position the
brushes correctly at any point on the track.Rich Rudman and Father Time have
also created a mech. that moves the brushes but for 30 times less than what I
have spent on mine.I feel my system is worth an extra second and at
least15mph in the qt. mile.
I would like to see the Wisemen on the list comment further as I am only
a drag racer. nedra OUTLAW Dennis
KILL A WATT Berube currenteliminator.net
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4665&item=2508325134
A 480 to 240/120 10KVA transformer. I assume it could go from 240 to 120
as well, but I am not an electrician. And I have always seen 480 as 3
phase, but like I said, I am not an electrician.
Might be just the thing for a PFC charger if someone wanted isolation?
And they could pick the thing up in Ohio.
So maybe it's only a good deal to Ohioans, if that's a word.
Seth
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>Does anyone have the history of that SCT company that built this Rabbit
>with a Siemen's Compound Wound motor ? When, where, how many were
>made and for what purpose (fleet only) ?????
>Controller ?
Bill, everything I know is posted on my web site:
http://www.mrsharkey.com/rabbit.htm
The controller is PWM field weakening. There is one high voltage TO-3
transistor on an aluminum plate acting as a heat sink. The controller
handles a maximum of 10 amps of field current. Armature current is
monitored via a shunt, and the controller is set to limit armature amps to
around 270 for the sedan and 300 for the pickup models. There is over-temp
cutback and interlock, as well as complete instrumentation.
BTW. The motor is not compound wound, it's strictly shunt. It's rated to
160 volts.
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Several months ago, when I was searching for a way to trailer a 3-wheel or
small 4-wheel EV, I came across a trailer manufacturer/supplier in Oregon or
Washington state with a unique design. It basically lifted the front two
wheels of a car, strapped them to adjustable-width rails and then allowed
the front wheels to track with the towing vehicle. Had option to enclose a
small utility box on the trailer, which was a good size for a small
3-wheeler.
Now that I'm interested in this product, I cannot find in using the usual
search engines. Does anyone know how I can contact this company. Tracking of
the wheels was similar to the range-extender trailer that ACP sells.
-Ed Thorpe
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Hi Dennis,
This is something I noticed when looking at standard motors compared to
pulse motors I was experimenting on.
While I could move my trigger and change the timing to make the motor run
better, a standard motor could not and coming from a mechanical background I
knew that timing was important to getting a petrol engine running properly
at any given speed so it followed that it must apply to an electric motor.
The reality is that an electric motor only needs to have a single speed and
a single output at that speed when used for a normal application, so getting
into this would be pointless to the makers.
The closest you will come to it is the second winding some motors have to
give them more grunt when starting, without checking I assume this is timed
slightly different to give more torque at low speed.
I would think that as soon as you add this you would want to be tuning it in
on a dyno ?
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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There have been a few whistleblowers and apparrently Mr. Tilley has a long
history of this sort of thing.
Go here for all the dirt:
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
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Hi folks,
I just purchased two 1995 Solectria Force sedans that were formerly with
the New York Power Authority. They arrived Saturday and so far I have
removed the ruined batteries from both cars and replaced them with 13 very
very used Delphi 12 volt units just two confirm the things work before I
buy new batteries. Both cars seem to charge correctly, but neither one
drives.
The first car has no visible problem, but when you attempt to operate it,
all you get is a faint high pitched peeping noise when you press the
accelerator and the AH meter shows power being used. On that car the
heater and air conditioner does not seem to work either. The AH meter does
seem to track charging correctly, and the battery heaters work
correctly. All 12 volt accessories seem to work as well.
The second car has signs of wiring damage, apparently due to a short on the
back of the AH meter control box. The damage does not seem to extend
beyond the unit itself. After I replaced the AH unit with the one from the
first car I found the second car did not operate either. On this car the
AH meter and lights show no activity, and when you attempt to drive the car
there is no response at all. The interior heater does seen to work on this
car, but not the air conditioner, The battery heaters work, but the
pre-heat timer does not. All 12 volt accessories seem to work as well.
Having not previously worked with Solectrias, does anyone have any
suggestions? I did try swapping controllers between the two cars but that
had no effect.
The only manuals I have is the small users manual.
Where should I begin? Anyone have a good contact at Solectria?
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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Hi Garry, I have already had this motor on a dyno for hours,but the track is
still quite different. Dennis Berube
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Have you measured the pack voltage on either? I believe many Forces came
with an undervoltage lockout. I would think you would need at least
13x11V for a good test. Also I think the AH counters are on a rapidly
progressing (exponential? logarithmic?) scale, so a bar or two on an amp
hour counter wouldn't mean much current, maybe just the DC-DC load. If
I underestimated the load, have you tried jacking the car up and
spinning the tires in the air? Perhaps the speed sensor has come
unconnected, so the drive can't measure speed and the resulting funny noise.
Seth
Mike Chancey wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I just purchased two 1995 Solectria Force sedans that were formerly with
> the New York Power Authority. They arrived Saturday and so far I have
> removed the ruined batteries from both cars and replaced them with 13 very
> very used Delphi 12 volt units just two confirm the things work before I
> buy new batteries. Both cars seem to charge correctly, but neither one
> drives.
>
> The first car has no visible problem, but when you attempt to operate it,
> all you get is a faint high pitched peeping noise when you press the
> accelerator and the AH meter shows power being used. On that car the
> heater and air conditioner does not seem to work either. The AH meter does
> seem to track charging correctly, and the battery heaters work
> correctly. All 12 volt accessories seem to work as well.
>
> The second car has signs of wiring damage, apparently due to a short on the
> back of the AH meter control box. The damage does not seem to extend
> beyond the unit itself. After I replaced the AH unit with the one from the
> first car I found the second car did not operate either. On this car the
> AH meter and lights show no activity, and when you attempt to drive the car
> there is no response at all. The interior heater does seen to work on this
> car, but not the air conditioner, The battery heaters work, but the
> pre-heat timer does not. All 12 volt accessories seem to work as well.
>
> Having not previously worked with Solectrias, does anyone have any
> suggestions? I did try swapping controllers between the two cars but that
> had no effect.
>
> The only manuals I have is the small users manual.
>
> Where should I begin? Anyone have a good contact at Solectria?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
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Seth wrote:
Have you measured the pack voltage on either? I believe many Forces came
with an undervoltage lockout. I would think you would need at least
13x11V for a good test.
I did make sure both packs were at least 150 volts before testing. Testing
the chargers had done a good job of bringing them up, but even though those
Delphi batteries were sitting for about a year all were close to or
slightly over 12 volts.
Also I think the AH counters are on a rapidly
progressing (exponential? logarithmic?) scale, so a bar or two on an amp
hour counter wouldn't mean much current, maybe just the DC-DC load. If
I underestimated the load, have you tried jacking the car up and
spinning the tires in the air? Perhaps the speed sensor has come
unconnected, so the drive can't measure speed and the resulting funny noise.
I did try the first car with the wheels up, but since that had no effect
and the second car seemed even less responsive I did nt jack that one up.
The whole problem with these vehicles is I know nothing of their past
history. The seller had purchased them as part of a lot of vehicles at a
state auction and simply wanted to be rid of them. Anyone familiar with
the New York Power Authority station car program for IBM at
Hawthorne? There was some paperwork suggesting the cars were part of that
program in one of them.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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Check the connections to the shunt, main pack fuse, and accessory fuses
(probably in the front battery box; mine are enclosed in a flexible plastic
sleeve). If the batteries did awful things in there, they might have caused
some corrosion to accumulate.
As Seth mentioned, make sure you have enough pack voltage at the inverter.
Also make sure the DC:DC is putting out enough voltage.
If your amp-hour counter looks like the standard one I'd expect on a '95, there
are no bars on it, just a numerical display of amp-hours and 2 LEDs marked
"in" and "out" (for charge and discharge respectively). If the charger shut off
after charging, you should have gotten enough on-charge voltage -- but it
might not stand up under motoring current draw.
For the second car, check the "ignition box" -- it has to get +12v from the
keyswitch to enable the inverter. Mine is under the dash.
Solectria's techs will usually provide a limited amount of assistance over the
phone (assuming you will be buying parts from them). If it gets too involved,
though, they'll ask you to open a support account. They didn't get to be one
of the few surviving EV specialty companies by dispensing free advice! <g>
Gotta go -- I'll think about this a little more later tonight.
David Roden
Akron OH USA
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Speaking of Force's in need of repair... this goes back to October 28,
2002 so I don't know if it is still for sale:
American Electric Power in Ohio has a 1996 with NiMH pack for sale. It
apprarently has some problems where it "cuts out all at once" and rather
than make more repairs they want to sell it.
http://www.solectria.com/downloads/force96.pdf
Kevin Dinan, 614-883-7622, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Lang, 614-883-7624, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMERICAN ELECTRIC POWER
700 Morrison Road Gahanna, OH 43230
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Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S-10
1970s Elec-Trak E20
http://www.eeevee.com
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Mark Fowler wrote:
> So, does anyone know where I can get my hands on plans, kits, or
> actual devices to regulate the voltage on 3.6V Li-Ions, similar to
> the Rudman Regulators
My first battery regulators were very simple; a darlington power
transistor, a 200 ohm pot, a car brake light bulb as the power resistor,
and a zener diode. If you use a green LED in place of the zener, they
should work fine as 3.6v regulators.
battery+ ____________________
| |
green _|_ > power resistor
LED _\_/_ > (1.5 ohms for
| > ~2 amps max)
| |
| ____| collector
> |/ |
potentiometer >/_______| |
200 ohms >\ base | |/ NPN darlington
> |\__| power transistor
| | (I used MJE1100)
| |\
battery- _____|______________| emitter
http:
None of the fancy features of the latest Rudman regulator, but it's
cheap if you're going to have a lot of cells.
--
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Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
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> Drivers of clean-air vehicles in Hermosa Beach may someday get a perk
> rarely afforded anybody with four wheels in the space-challenged city
> - free parking.
Sounds good, but where's Hermosa Beach?
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I thought Florida had a large nuclear power plant.
What happened to all that cheap nuclear power ?
Florida's 2003 electric rates are still less than CT and MA
(both about 9 cents /kwhr).
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:07:17 -0800 (PST) Bruce EVangel Parmenter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> EVLN(FPL raises Electricity prices as fuel goes up)
> [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> informational
> purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
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> http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryA43597A.htm
> Complete FLORIDA TODAY Feb 12, 12:17 AM
> Gas prices creep near record high
> Diesel-fuel prices reach highest ever
> By Scott Blake, Brian Monroe and Wayne T. Price
> FLORIDA TODAY
>
> Gasoline prices inched within a penny of a record high in Florida on
> Tuesday and diesel-fuel prices set a record.
>
> Consumers and business owners alike are feeling the pinch on their
> finances.
>
> "Gas prices are killing me," said Tom White, a sales representative
> for Savings Safari in Cocoa, who said he drives about 500 miles a
> week
> and is not reimbursed for mileage. White said he is spending $50 or
> $60 more a week on gas than he used to.
>
> "That could be a car payment," White said. "Higher gas prices eats
> into it all."
>
> It's not just gas prices that are rising in the nation's latest
> energy
> crunch. Natural-gas bills for about 35,000 Brevard County customers
> are running about 60 percent higher than they were a year ago -- the
> result of increased usage from the colder-than-expected winter and
> higher gas-purchase charges by NUI City Gas Co. of Florida.
>
> Local electric bills also have risen, although not nearly as much.
> But
> the escalating fuel costs could prompt Florida Power & Light Co. to
> seek a cost increase for its electric customers later this year.
>
> People in Brevard County and around the state are paying roughly 50
> cents more per gallon for gas than they were a year ago, and about
> 14
> cents more than a month ago. Energy analysts predict gas prices will
> continue to rise, and they already have exceeded $2 a gallon in some
> parts of the country. In Florida, the price of regular unleaded
> gasoline climbed to $1.641 a gallon on Tuesday -- less than a cent
> shy
> of the record high set in May 2001, according to AAA's daily
> gas-price
> survey. The price of diesel fuel, used primarily by truck drivers,
> hit
> a record high of $1.733 a gallon Tuesday.
>
> Doug Larson, owner of Larson & Larson Towing in Palm Bay, said
> soaring
> diesel-fuel costs to run his fleet of trucks could force him to
> raise
> his towing rates. He estimates his company is spending about $600
> more
> on gas per month than it did a year ago. So far, he's been absorbing
> the extra cost.
>
> "No towing company can continue paying these prices" without somehow
> making up for it, Larson said.
>
> Rising oil prices are at the root of the problem. Crude-oil futures
> hit a 26-month high Tuesday. The increase came amid new assertions
> by
> U.S. officials of a link between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein,
> fueled
> by reports of an audio tape of Osama bin Laden asking Muslims to
> defend Iraq.
>
> On the New York Mercantile Exchange, crude-oil futures for March
> delivery rose 96 cents to close at $35.44 a barrel, its highest
> level
> since November 2000. Also Tuesday, natural gas for March delivery
> rose
> 12.5 cents to settle at $5.977 per 1,000 cubic feet.
>
> Fear of another "significant" terrorist attack, uncertainty about
> war
> in Iraq, loss of oil and gas exports from Venezuela and recent cold
> weather are driving gas prices higher. But that doesn't entirely
> explain the recent sharp price hikes, AAA said in a statement
> Tuesday.
>
> AAA urged gas wholesalers and retailers to "show restraint in the
> pricing of their product," and cautioned the gas industry "not to
> take
> advantage of the nation's heightened terrorist alert status."
>
> "The nothing fully justifies the dramatic increase in gasoline
> prices
> experienced across the United States in the last month," AAA said.
>
> Fast-rising gas prices also have caught the attention of Florida
> Gov.
> Jeb Bush.
>
> "He's keeping an eye on it," Bush spokeswoman Elizabeth Hirst said
> Tuesday. "Certainly, we don't want any price-gouging going on, and
> that's something we'll be on alert for."
>
> AAA advised motorists to shop aggressively for the best price for
> gas,
> to look for ways to cut down on fuel consumption, and to keep
> vehicles
> properly maintained to increase fuel economy.
>
> "The biggest concern for me is the way gas (prices) spiked up so
> fast," Brevard County School Board member Robert Jordan said as he
> pumped gas into his Dodge Dakota extended-cab pickup truck Tuesday
> at
> a filling station near Suntree.
>
> Jordan was surprised he had to pay $1.70 a gallon for midgrade fuel,
> which he said he uses because his truck's engine "knocks" if he uses
> regular grade. His other car, he said, uses only premium, which was
> $1.80 a gallon.
>
> Local car dealers said gas prices seem to be on the minds of some of
> their customers who look for vehicles with higher gas mileage.
>
> "What I have noticed is that, during the last 30 days, our larger
> SUV
> sales have slowed," said John Theders, general manager of Sutherlin
> Cadillac, Nissan, Isuzu and Oldsmobile on Merritt Island. "Customers
> are looking for something that will save them money."
>
> Mike Moody, the general sales manager for Mike Erdman Toyota, said
> his
> large trucks and sport utility vehicles still are selling well,
> despite the surge in gas prices.
>
> But Moody has noticed an increase in attention toward Toyota's
> hybrid
> gas and electric vehicle, the Prius, which averages 52 miles to the
> gallon on highway driving, 45 city.
>
> "Interest has peaked," he said.
>
> Dorothy McBride of Cape Canaveral said she is worried that rising
> fuel
> costs could put a dent in her living expenses.
>
> McBride said she already is cutting down on the number of trips she
> makes in her 1996 Buick Century, and she's concerned what her
> electric
> bill will be this summer when she begins cranking up the air
> conditioning.
>
> "I'm on a very limited income, so it's going to hurt," she said.
>
> A typical monthly residential electric bill, based on 1,000
> kilowatts
> of electricity usage, from Florida Power & Light, which supplies
> electricity to about half the state, including Brevard County, has
> increased from $75.74 in January 1999 to $76.85 this year, said
> company spokesman Bill Swank.
>
> Since 1999, state regulators have required FPL to drop its rates
> twice
> for a total of about $600 million a year. But the rate reductions
> have
> been largely offset by higher fuel-adjustment charges the utility
> company passes through to its customers.
>
> Swank said, if fuel prices continue to rise, Florida Power & Light
> may
> seek an increase on this year's fuel adjustment charge from the
> Florida Public Service Commission.
>
> "Any fuel we buy (to run its power plants and trucks) is a direct
> pass-through to the customer," he said. "And we try to burn the fuel
> that's least-expensive, so that our customers benefit from it."
>
> NUI City Gas Co. of Florida, which supplies natural gas in Brevard
> County and elsewhere, also has been hit with higher fuel costs,
> which
> it has passed through to customers, said company spokesman Ron
> Reisman.
>
> Because of that and higher usage this winter, the average monthly
> natural-gas bill in Brevard has increase to $82.01 in January from
> $50.36 a year earlier, Reisman said.
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Yes, this transformer can be used for 240 to 120. Just wire the 240 to the
primary (the 480 side) and get 120 from the secondary using the connections
shown for 240. And yes, 480 is often used in a 3 phase configuration, but
single phase is also used.
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From: "Seth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:38 PM
Subject: Got Isolation?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4665&item=2508325134
>
> A 480 to 240/120 10KVA transformer. I assume it could go from 240 to 120
> as well, but I am not an electrician. And I have always seen 480 as 3
> phase, but like I said, I am not an electrician.
>
> Might be just the thing for a PFC charger if someone wanted isolation?
> And they could pick the thing up in Ohio.
>
> So maybe it's only a good deal to Ohioans, if that's a word.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> vze3v25q@verizondotnet
>
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I feel sorry for the ETCA if they are going to follow the lead of the
SCTA. As far as I'm conscerned they have absolutely no credibility
and their electric vehicle records are worthless. Get them to send
you a copy of who holds what EV records. Find out what class they
have for "Silent Thunder", a car I campained first on the one mile
oval at Phoenix International Raceway and then at Firebird
International Raceway in road racing.Both tracks are located in the
Phoenix Arizona area. We sold the car to Michael Murphy who had me
set it up and deliver it to Bonneville Salt Flats to set a land speed
record. As I remember the car weighed in around 3200 lbs. with 336
volts of Optimas, a first generation Zilla and a single 9 inch
Advanced DC motor. On the first run we firballed the motor and
coasted through the traps 106 MPH. Bob Schneveis installed four 8
inch Advanced DC motors for Michael and I was on the pit crew the
following year when it ran 133 MPH as I remember. This was a lisenced
street legal car. At the end of a run the brushes weren't even warm.
I know because I stuck my finger on them before we towed the car back
after the run. The main problem with the car going so slow was that
it ran out of gearing before it even got to the beginning of the
timing line . There is still more in that car! When you look up the
SCTA record on this heavy weight they will tell you it holds the
Class 1 record. Give me a break! Why don't you tell me that Dennis
Berube's car runs in the NEDRA 96 volt high school sedan division.
Another NEDRA Outlaw
Roderick
Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore
www.evparts.com
1-888-EV Parts (387-2787)
Phone: 425-672-7977 Fax: 425-672-7907
18908 Highway 99, Suite B
Lynnwood, WA 98036-5218
The ECTA uses the Southern California Timing Association (SCTA)
rules with a few minor changes. EV's are put into one of three
streamliner classes, based on total vehicle weight:
Class 1, under 1099 lbs (less than 500 kg)
Class 2, 1100 to 2200 lbs (500 to 1000 kg)
Class 3, over 2200 lbs (over 1000 kg)
They also have some fairly stringent safety rules that I don't think
your average NEDRA-machine would meet. For example, your car will
need at a minimum a roll bar or roll cage, a fire extinguishing
system, and a competition seat-belt. The driver will need an
SFI-rated suit, plus SFI-rated boots, and gloves. The specific
requirements are based on the anticipated vehicle speed or the speed
of the class record.
If you want to run with the ECTA, I'd recommend getting a copy of
the rule book right away and also contacting someone on the ECTA
technical committee to discuss your plans.
So, while the speed for the record seems "low", I don't think you
could just show up with a NEDRA/NHRA EV drag racing vehicle and be
able to compete. But, if you do make your machine ECTA-legal, I bet
you'd have a lot of fun running there. Just think, it's a 1.2 mile
long dragstrip!
Henry Deaton
(still working on my electric LSR motorcycle)
At 10:03 PM 2/16/2003 -0800, you wrote:
It's looks like they make new class's as they need them, so it should be
easy for some of those Power of DC racers, most EV transmissions never see
fourth gear.
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "Seth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: EV speed record
http://www.ecta-lsr.com/recordscars1.htm
The East Coast timing association has an electric class, and the 1 mile
record is ~115 mph. I think there are a few people on the list who could
raise that a bit. I have heard is it an overgrown dragstrip for a
course, nothing like the salt flats, but it might be relatively easy
pickings for an EV drag car. I don't have the rule book, and it isn't
> online (that I saw) though.
Seth
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