EV Digest 2629
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: battery charging
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: How AC Propulsion got there.
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Standard Public Charging Station
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: LRR Tires
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: LRR Tires
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) Re: Electric Scooters
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Honda EV headquarters
by Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) LiIons order time
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: OT need motor
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Rudman Reg Mark I Rev C repair parts.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Horizon Batteries alive again?
by Dave Navas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: LiIons order time
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) eMeter amp blown!
by fred whitridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Honda EV headquarters
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: eMeter amp blown!
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Honda EV headquarters
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17) Re: Honda EV headquarters
by Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Siemens Motor Dimensioned Drawings
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Honda EV headquarters
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Siemens Motor Dimensioned Drawings
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Honda EV headquarters
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) New chargers and Ah meters are in...
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: New chargers and Ah meters are in...
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: New chargers and Ah meters are in...
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Two more scooters on Ebay
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: trip with gen/long
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: LiIons order time
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) charging cycle
by "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: battery charging
by "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) EVLN(CARB abandons EVs for Automakers hybrids)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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veena wrote:
> Could someone clearly explain inductive charging and conductive
> charging. Which is advantageous?
I'd be happy to.
"Conductive" charging is what almost all chargers do. The charger has
two (or more) actual wires coming out of it, with a connector at the
end. The connector has metal contacts that plug into a mating connector
that is wired to the battery to be charged.
Advantages:
- simple
- inexpensive
- efficient
Disadvantages:
- can wear out (if cheap or flimsy connectors are used)
- can be a shock hazard (if connectors with exposed pins are used)
An "Inductive" charger assumes that you have a transformer to provide
isolation, and perhaps to step the voltage up or down. In effect, they
cut the transformer in half, and put half of it in the charger, and the
other half in the car. The charging "plug" mates the two halves of the
transformer. Energy is coupled magnetically.
Advantages:
- no exposed contacts (no shock hazard)
- not likely to wear out (assuming well made parts)
- complete electrical isolation between charger and battery
Disadvantages:
- complicated transformer design
- lower efficiency
- larger, heavier charger "plug" and "socket"
- (usually) more expensive
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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That was (is) Honda CRX.
Victor
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> It is amazing what AC Propulsion has achieved in the past with their
> drivetrain. I like the 145 mile part. Wonder if this is the Honda or the
> Tzero. Lawrence Rhodes..
> http://www.acpropulsion.com/Press%20releases/AC150%20two%20years.htm
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Hi All, Did I say electric vehicle charging, Oh, I meant RV outlet, yeh
that's the ticket, uh, oh I meant outside welding outlet, yea, that's the
ticket! Yea, that's what we have here, a generic welding outlet that you can
plug your car stereo into ;-)
Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore
www.evparts.com
1-888-EV Parts (387-2787)
Phone: 360-385-7966 Fax: 360-385-7922
PO Box 221, 107 Louisa Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Standard Public Charging Station
> Mike Chancey wrote:
> > Since cities adopt and adapt the NEC at their own whim, perhaps we
> > should each attempt to make our local Department of Codes aware of
> > the situation and suggest a simpler more rational alternative. Of
> > course, that might make it worse. At the moment most of us are
> > slipping under the radar so to speak, and the extra attention might
> > not be a good idea.
>
> Mike, that's a great idea! Perhaps the EAA or some other group can draft
> a replacement for NEC 625. Each of us can go to our local Dept. of
> Codes, and lobby to get it specified instead of NEC 625.
>
> It could be as simple as saying, "I want to install a free outdoor EV
> charging outlet at my home or business. The NEC standard was written for
> EVs in California that are no longer available. So here is a more
> generic alternative standard, that is easier to meet and enforce, since
> it is based on the RV standards already in place."
>
> Eventually, we might even be able to get the NEC to change 625 (but that
> will take a lot of time and money).
> --
> Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Hi all,
i bought my Citro�n Saxo electric one weeks ago, no Michelin proxima like
the first model was, these are Energy Xgreen instead.
I inflate them to 44PSI (they were down to 25PSI, Citro�n recommend 33PSI),
i notice a lot more noise and a lot less rolling resistance.
Comparing to initial state (25PSI) i have 9 more kilometers range which is a
BIG improvement and evidence than pressure is vital.
I asked for Proxima tires but it seems there are not common at all, even
here, tires sellers majority don't know about them !
Philippe
Bigger EV grin ;^) every day
Peugeot Scoot'elec 1996-16000km
Citro�n Saxo electric 2001-2490km
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: LRR Tires
> First, let me welcome John Wayland back to the EV list. His informative
> and entertaining posts have been missed!
>
> John Wayland wrote:
> > Gotta take Lee to task here... the tires on my car are pushing 31k
> > now, and after reading Lee's claims of just 20-30k miles, I just
> > inspected them, and I am happy to report he's wrong. The tires on
> > my car, even at 50 psi, have perfectly even tread wear (the center
> > is not wearing out due to over-pressure) and have a conservative
> > 40% tread left on them, maybe even 50%.
>
> That's great. My comments are based mainly on information from the Prius
> list. There too, the Potenza has a reputation for poor wear and
> squirrelly handling.
>
> The Toyota Prius tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE92 P175/65R14 84S,
> "extra load" 1102 lbs, 50 psi max, treadwear 160. People who drive
> normally and use Toyota's recommended tire pressures are having their
> tires wear out (primarily from excessive wear on the edges) in 20-30k
> miles. Toyota offered to replace any tires that showed excessive wear at
> at 25,000 miles free of charge.
>
> This tire is certainly low rolling resistance. People who change to
> other tires routinely report worse gas mileage. Like my EV, the Prius
> also has that "rolls forever" feeling in neutral.
>
> Many people are running higher tire pressures (including me). This
> improves fuel economy and handling, and reduces tire wear. The penalty
> is a harsher ride and more noise (and the Potenza is already a noisy
> tire). However, tire wear is still high; our Prius has 30k miles on it,
> and the tread is 3/4 gone.
>
> On handling; the Potenza is not a performance tire. But for the Prius at
> least, the squirrelly handling is solved by careful front end alignment.
> The improved settings are still within factory specs, so there hasn't
> been a problem getting dealers to do it.
> --
> Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
> 814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
> Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
>
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So far my research has revealed the following;
1 Hi pressure is better because the sidewalls flex less and require
less
energy however the ride is rougher.
4. Tread patterns don't appear to have any rime or reason on hi
pressure tires.
Has anyone found LRR tires that are still available?
Michelin Proxima RR 175/65-14's from the EV1 are still available from
California Saturn
dealers for around $62-$66, but I think they are low on stock and I belive
the tire has been
discontinued. Also note that these tires have fairly soft sidewalls, are
rated at 50 psi
and have puncture sealant on the inside.
George S.
'81 Rabbit
'99 EV1
Both with Proximas
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The EVT-4000e is a nice scooter. A friend of mine from the EVA/DC club
purchased one a couple months ago and he really likes it.
It can seat two people up to 270 pounds.
It shares the same hub motor and controller as the MoRad 1500 (aka the
EVT-168).
The EVT-4000e has higher amperage batteries then the MoRad 1500 and EVT-168,
I believe. The EVT-4000e has more storage as well.
Parts and Service. No problem. I was able to get a new EVT controller for a
MoRad 1500 not to long ago. The controller can unbolt rather easily and
parts for EVT scooters should be easily available.
Chip Gribben
http://www.skootercommuter.com
on 3/3/03 1:54 PM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> From: "James Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:48:41 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Electric Scooters
>
> I've heard a lot of good things about the Morad 1500, and I like it. In
> looking around on the web I saw this one
>
> http://www.nycewheels.com/evt4000e.html
>
> It is an EVT400-e. Anyone know anything good/bad about these?
>
> James
>
> James F. Jarrett
> Information Systems Associate
> Charlotte Country Day School
> (704)943-4562
>
> Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. - Leonard Brandwein
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Does anyone know the address of Honda in the orient. (What their head office address
is or what department is in charge of the EV's)?
THanks
At 12:47 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>That was (is) Honda CRX.
>
>Victor
>
>Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>>
>> It is amazing what AC Propulsion has achieved in the past with their
>> drivetrain. I like the 145 mile part. Wonder if this is the Honda or the
>> Tzero. Lawrence Rhodes..
>> http://www.acpropulsion.com/Press%20releases/AC150%20two%20years.htm
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All,
Few people responded to my initial group purchase offer,
but may be by now someone else decided to take advantage of it.
I'm placing order within next two weeks regardless, so
if you want to join and [the cash is] ready, please
respond off list for details, whether you responded
first time (few weeks ago) or not.
This is my last email to the list with this offer,
I won't take any more list's bandwidth for this
too specific topic.
Thanks all,
Victor
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Don't know if you have Harbor Freight back east but most of their motors are
3 to 7 hp and all under 100 bucks new. Lawrence Rhodes.......You can order
over the internet. Harborfreight.com
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From: "James Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: OT need motor
> Does anyone on list have a 2hp (or better) 220 ac electric motor they want
> to part with for a fair price?
>
> I have need of one for a table saw.
>
> James
>
> James F. Jarrett
> Information Systems Associate
> Charlotte Country Day School
> (704)943-4562
>
> Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. - Leonard Brandwein
>
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Yep. I am going to coat all the regs. Maybe replace the connectors with
hard plastic instead of using heatshrink. Quickdisconnects. With the heat
shrink they can make contact. The hard plastic crimp on will give more
clearance when dropped. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Rudman Reg Mark I Rev C repair parts.
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> >
> > More questions. Why is the center lead cut on the mk1 rev C and
soldered in
> > and used on the D rev?
> > > > Lawrence, It's a IRF Z48, any 60 volt TO-220 mosfet will do. There
are
> > > > hundreds.
> > I can give you a complete BOM of the Mk1 s and the MK2s.
> > > > There should be NO guess work here, just get the right stuff.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rich Rudman
> > > > Manzanita Micro
> > > > www.manzanitamicro.com
> > > > 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
> > > >
> > >
> Because I had a couple of thousand 2 lead devices. And the bolt hole is
> the same as the middle pin of this and most TO-220 devices. So I don't
> need the middle pin, and I get to use throw-a-way parts.
>
> Joe has the box of Regs you sent me. I have PAY him to fix 'em. You get
> to pay me. You might want to figure out how NOT to fry the regs. It's
> gonna get spendy if you keep this up.
>
>
> --
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
>
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http://www.evworld.com/databases/shownews.cfm?pageid=news010303-04
Noticed that Horizon Batteries may be back soon. Anyone
know anything about these guys? Google gave me some
interesting info:
Long Cycle Life - The patented co-extrusion process results in a lead
grain structure significantly finer than found in traditional cast
grids. The use of a high strength glass fiber bundle eliminates the need
for common grid-strengthening additives such as calcium and antimony.
These features result in superior resistance to grid corrosion that can
significantly limit battery life. Introduction of the proprietary EPS
process has resulted in further increases in deep discharge cycle life
(c/1 to 80% DOD) of 750 cycles average, with over 900 cycles maximum,
using production batteries.
Low Cost - Advanced automated stacking and other manufacturing processes
maximize productivity and quality. Using well-established lead-acid
battery supply infrastructure offers reduced unit costs.
Light Weight - The co-extrusion of lead over a glass fiber bundle
eliminates 67% of the lead required in a standard cycling battery plate
resulting in a 25-50% weight reduction compared to standard batteries.
Production batteries using the Horizon® C2M™ technology have displayed
over 40 Wh/kg of specific energy and 380 W/kg of specific power.
-Dave
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Sorry, but my memory fails me on the details of this offer.
At 05:00 PM 3/3/2003, you wrote:
All,
Few people responded to my initial group purchase offer,
but may be by now someone else decided to take advantage of it.
I'm placing order within next two weeks regardless, so
if you want to join and [the cash is] ready, please
respond off list for details, whether you responded
first time (few weeks ago) or not.
This is my last email to the list with this offer,
I won't take any more list's bandwidth for this
too specific topic.
Thanks all,
Victor
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Joe Smalley wrote:
The input amplifier blows that reads the shunt voltage.
Excess voltage on the shunt wires causes this.
The only thing that you can do to try to confirm the problem is short the
shunt terminals together at the meter and check the reading. If it reads
zero, the problem is in the wiring. If it still read a large number, the
problem is in the meter.
-------------------------
Joe and Lee Hart:
Thanks very much for your responses. Shorted the shunt sense terminals on the barrier
strip on the back of the meter. Amps initially went to zero and then crazily danced
around single digits before heading south to -503. So I guess I have a blown amp as
you both have suggested.
I seem to recall some EVDL discussion on replacing the blown component. Is this
something I could do? Or will Xantrex? Or do I have myself a very expensive voltmeter
with serial port?
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Does anyone know the address of Honda in the orient. (What their
head office address is or what department is in charge of the EV's)?
There is no Honda EV dept. of any kind that I'm aware of, Oriental or
otherwise. The Honda CRX EV they were discussing was converted to AC
electric by Alan Cocconi of AC Propulsion, Inc. To prove the
viability of both EVs in general and the AC Propulsion drive system
in particular.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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fred whitridge wrote:
> Thanks very much for your responses. Shorted the shunt sense
> terminals on the barrier strip on the back of the meter. Amps
> initially went to zero and then crazily danced around single
> digits before heading south to -503. So I guess I have a blown
> amp as you both have suggested.
>
> I seem to recall some EVDL discussion on replacing the blown
> component. Is this something I could do? Or will Xantrex?
> Or do I have myself a very expensive voltmeter with serial port?
Xantrex will fix it (by replacing the entire guts). Thus it can be done,
but it's rather expensive. I think their fixed rate for repair is
something like $100.
It is of course possible to replace the opamp yourself. I've fixed the
old thru-hole E-meters several times, and have done some component-level
replacement on the current surface-mount version. The latter is MUCH
harder to fix!
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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No, Honda has had an EV department, for development and deployment of the
Honda EV+, since 1998. In total about 300 were built and shipped to
California for leasing to individuals and companies as part of Honda's MOA
agreement with CARB, for the ZEV mandate. Most of these EV+'s have returned
to Honda and taken out of service. The new FC Honda is the same vehicle
except for a fuel stack underneath instead of the battery pack, ultra caps,
and a hydrogen tank in the rear storage area.
I doubt you can contact their department for information as they are only
winding down leases at this point. All technical issues were handled in
Southern California (Torance?) and Japan. Good luck finding any contacts.
BR,
Ed Thorpe
EV+ driver to 4+ years, almost 90,000 all-electric miles
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hurley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Honda EV headquarters
>Does anyone know the address of Honda in the orient. (What their
>head office address is or what department is in charge of the EV's)?
There is no Honda EV dept. of any kind that I'm aware of, Oriental or
otherwise. The Honda CRX EV they were discussing was converted to AC
electric by Alan Cocconi of AC Propulsion, Inc. To prove the
viability of both EVs in general and the AC Propulsion drive system
in particular.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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Thank you. Do you know what office or department is in charge of the fuel cell
vehicles at Honda? Is it AC Propulsion?
At 07:34 PM 3/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know the address of Honda in the orient. (What their head office
>>address is or what department is in charge of the EV's)?
>
>There is no Honda EV dept. of any kind that I'm aware of, Oriental or otherwise. The
>Honda CRX EV they were discussing was converted to AC electric by Alan Cocconi of AC
>Propulsion, Inc. To prove the viability of both EVs in general and the AC Propulsion
>drive system in particular.
>--
>
>
> Auf wiedersehen!
>
> ______________________________________________________
> "..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
>
> "Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
> of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
> women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
>
> "..No."
>
> "Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
>
> -Real Genius
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We got an order for an adaptor from Steve Nagy that included the
dimensioned drawing of the Siemens 1PV5133W518 motor. It was dimensioned
in metric. I'm wondering if you have a copy, or can generate one, with
English dimensions. My CADD program will translate, but not accurately
enough. I could do all the conversions manually, but it would speed things
up if I had English dimensioned drawings.
I'm looking forward to designing this adaptor. Your sleeve to adapt the
motor splined shaft to a keyed shaft is very nice looking.
Thank you.
Mike Brown
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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No, Honda has had an EV department, for development and deployment of the
Honda EV+, since 1998. In total about 300 were built and shipped to
California for leasing to individuals and companies as part of Honda's MOA
agreement with CARB, for the ZEV mandate. Most of these EV+'s have returned
to Honda and taken out of service. The new FC Honda is the same vehicle
except for a fuel stack underneath instead of the battery pack, ultra caps,
and a hydrogen tank in the rear storage area.
I doubt you can contact their department for information as they are only
winding down leases at this point. All technical issues were handled in
Southern California (Torance?) and Japan. Good luck finding any contacts.
Oops. Thought it was shut down when they cancelled the EV+ program.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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Electro Automotive wrote:
>
> We got an order for an adaptor from Steve Nagy that included the
> dimensioned drawing of the Siemens 1PV5133W518 motor. It was dimensioned
> in metric. I'm wondering if you have a copy, or can generate one, with
> English dimensions. My CADD program will translate, but not accurately
> enough. I could do all the conversions manually, but it would speed things
> up if I had English dimensioned drawings.
Mike,
I'll have my CAD to translate, but the accuracy is only as good as
designed in software, i.e. may be just as good as your CADD.
You can check few critical dimensions by hand, and if they match,
everything else should match.
> I'm looking forward to designing this adaptor. Your sleeve to adapt the
> motor splined shaft to a keyed shaft is very nice looking.
I only carry nice looking hardware :-)
>
> Thank you.
> Mike Brown
Did you really intend this message to the whole list?
Victor
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Thank you. Do you know what office or department is in charge of
the fuel cell vehicles at Honda? Is it AC Propulsion?
I doubt you'd be able to get a hold of anyone specific at Honda
Corporate, but the Honda website <http://www.honda.com> might have
some info.
AC Propulsion is a private company that builds AC drive systems and
ancillary components. They have no direct connection to Honda. They
only used an old CRX for a proof-of-concept EV conversion.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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All,
Got couple of new top of the line REAL chargers; these are available
now. Specs are on the web: http://www.metricmind.com/charger.htm
These particular ones are 520V max models, of course lower
voltage/higher current versions are available as well. Few photos:
http://www.metricmind.com/images/ta1.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/ta2.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/sa1.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/sa2.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/batt_mains.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/mains_conn.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/interface.jpg
Photos of water cooled one come soon.
Ah/Wh counter + A/V/Temp meter with active shunt
(this one is going in ACRX):
http://www.metricmind.com/images/bcm1.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/bcm2.jpg
http://www.metricmind.com/images/bcm3.jpg (sorry, a bit fuzzy)
Victor
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Those are nifty machines. Been kinda looking at them for a while,
along with the PFCs and Zivans. What are these gonna cost?
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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Michael Hurley wrote:
>
> Those are nifty machines. Been kinda looking at them for a while,
> along with the PFCs and Zivans. What are these gonna cost?
Currently about twice of PFC-20: top cooled $2.9k side cooled $3.1k,
water cooled $3.9k These prices are slightly lower than Brusa's and
also no overseas/duty cost to US/Canada customers, only local shipping.
Victor
>
> Auf wiedersehen!
>
> ______________________________________________________
> "..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
>
> "Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
> of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
> women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
>
> "..No."
>
> "Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
>
> -Real Genius
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off we go for the test ride with the ge motor . I think Paul is trying to
see if its faster that the kostov and I'm enjoying the 156/1200amp pick up ,
checking the motor temp had been forgotten as we race around the block ,
some fish tailing in the drive way and around the house . All smiles and
laughter ended when we stopped and smoke came pouring out the side vents .
The motor was red hot . We took the cover off and it was black inside ,
spinning the motor over showed a few lifted com bar ,just like before . The
brushes bobbing up and down , . It was so nicely repaired to . Paul is
thinking just clean up the com and I'm moaning like its the end of the world
. I'm really starting to dislike this motor but I know it's me . we decide
to try it with the blower as there's nothing to lose. We found a easy way to
mount it and hooked it to the controller side of the contactor . turn the
key and it comes on , , .more test drives with lots of stopping and heat
feeling then some hard driving . the thing is running nice and cool . Paul's
happy but I know it's not right and it's only time till it stops .It looked
so good when we first put it in , there were hardly any sparks when we
revved it up the first time . I leave my kostov there as I don;t think it
will last. Its late I load up my truck and start the generator (a few
times) and head back with some low sprits. Paul dosn't seen to upset and is
trying to cheer me up , I guess when your in the hi performance car game you
see this happen .When the gen dies while going over a hill I just keep on
driving . I'm in no hurry and spend the next 2 hours driving slow and trying
to figure how this could have happen twice.
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From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: trip with gen/long
> The GE motor that I smoked in Paul's car (running it with out fan )has
been
> fixed for a while but I haven't had time to make the 70 mile trip to put
it
> in so it has sat in my yard waiting , Last Monday I had some time , I got
> the old 8 hp gen out form under a tarp and cleaned and fooled with it the
> week before. I could have borrowed a gas car but Paul had some people he
> wanted me to meet and show the EV Mazda to and driving the ev seemed like
> the right thing to do .
> Nothing fancy about this truck
> just 20 golf cart batts and a Curtis controller . With the electric lift
> made from a ice crusher motor hanging in the shop over hand I put the
motor
> and generator in the back . I
> had made Paul one of my BMS's (2 11 pole brake before make rotating
switches
> , I took the tackcometer and make it into a expanded volt meter with a
> zenor diode and resistor ( after over an hour of trying digetent zeners
and
> resistors it showed full 15v and a little off 0 was 10.3 v ) and also set
it
> up so it could be an amp (by taking a voltage drop off the power wires)
> meter with a switch to switch between the two. So I load the truck up
Monday
> morning and off I go . By the end of the street the generator had died.
Gas
> it up and hope it will start running better. It's been about 4 years since
I
> used it to go to the last Florida solar energy center 's Sunday challenge
> and I just don't like it. All the noise and the gas dripping and oil , All
> because I need another 15 mph./ I believe I could have made the trip on
> electric but would have had to drive 35/40 mph. This would have taken 2
> hours or 45mimits longer that driving 60 but instead I spend hours fooling
> with the generator and after a few more miles from the gas station it
> die's again . I still go on knowing that if it keeps driving I can just
> drive
> slow without it. I guess it know I wasn't turning back so it started
> running and down 95 I went going 55mph , looking at my e-meter and
figuring
> how long I could drive this fast . after 50 miles I hit some traffic and
> the
> start and stop killed the gen . I started a few times but as soon as I hit
> the go pedal the load would pull the gen rpm down and I figure I'll drive
> slow and forget the gen . made it there pulling 130 ah form the batteries
> When we lifted the com bar last time by driving without a fan I but my
> recently repaired 11 kostov motor in his Porsche 911 so he could keep
> driving . I told him to get to know it real well so we could compare the
two
> ect.
> He had the car jack up and the motor switch was quick . That little
> voice it my head hat keeps me from doing the wrong was not working and
with
> the choice's of 1 taking air from the side air scoops 2 running blower
form
> the power coming out of the controller and 3 running it off the 156v after
> the contactor. Joe's no. 4 was not in the picture as it just would have
> taken me to long to build but probable would have saved the motor . I
put
> an amp meter on the blower and it was drawling 2 amps which is a lot when
> you only have 25 ah to work with. So we decided to try the air scoop for a
> short ride and check to see if it gets to hot , the 3" al duck fits just
> right and it easy to set up .
> I'll finish this sad tale later and its getting late
> Steve clunn
>
>
>
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me to , could we hear them again?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Niessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: LiIons order time
> Sorry, but my memory fails me on the details of this offer.
>
> At 05:00 PM 3/3/2003, you wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >Few people responded to my initial group purchase offer,
> >but may be by now someone else decided to take advantage of it.
> >I'm placing order within next two weeks regardless, so
> >if you want to join and [the cash is] ready, please
> >respond off list for details, whether you responded
> >first time (few weeks ago) or not.
> >
> >This is my last email to the list with this offer,
> >I won't take any more list's bandwidth for this
> >too specific topic.
> >
> >Thanks all,
> >Victor
>
>
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hi all
'constant current and then constant voltage, then equalisation charge with
10% the charging current' - is this the only charging cycle that is used in
all evs? or is this the most widely used?
why is it a constant current and then a constant voltage one?
veena
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thank you Mr. Lee Hart for that very clear explanation.
i have one more question.of what order would be the battery temperature be
while charging an ordinary deepcycle lead acid battery? (assuming we dont
overcharge)
we are having four 12V 100Ah battery pack and i want to know if it will be
sufficient to cool the batteries by providing ducts alone. the batteries
will be occupy the space which the rear seats originally occupied.
thank you
veena
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EVLN(CARB abandons EVs for Automakers hybrids)
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http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/5311285.htm
Posted on Tue, Mar. 04, 2003 story:PUB_DESC
State close to giving up on electric-car requirements
By Paul Rogers Mercury News
The rotary dial telephone. The black-and-white TV. The eight-track
tape player.
California is on the verge of adding a new item to the list of
yesterday's technologies: the electric car.
In a historic shift, state officials spent Monday putting the
finishing touches on a new plan to end a longstanding requirement
that forces automobile companies to build and sell specific numbers
of electric cars in California.
As soon as today, the staff of the California Air Resources Board in
Sacramento is expected to issue proposed changes to the
``zero-emission vehicle'' rules that date back to 1990. Under them,
automakers will be able to earn credits for building low-emission
gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles instead of purely battery-powered
electric cars.
For California, which has pushed Detroit harder than any other state
to produce electric vehicles, the shift comes as a difficult
acknowledgment that hybrids such as the Toyota Prius and the Honda
Civic are more practical, cost-effective and attractive to
consumers.
``What we are doing is being realistic,'' said Jerry Martin, a
spokesman for the Air Resources Board. ``The electric cars we were
talking about in 1990 when we first adopted the rule just haven't
happened.''
Approval expected
The new rules are expected to be approved by the California Air
Resources Board on March 27. If the switch to hybrids is allowed,
the already-small market for pure electric cars is likely to shrink
to almost nothing.
Because of battery limits, most electric cars can travel only 75 to
125 miles on a charge. The batteries remain so expensive that it
costs up to $24,000 more to manufacture an electric car than a
gasoline car, according to a 2001 report by the air board's staff.
Major automakers including Ford, GM and Honda have pulled the plug
on their electric car programs, with Toyota dropping its electric
RAV-4 most recently after selling only 1,200 vehicles since 1998.
The RAV-4 cost $42,000 and could go only 80 to 120 miles before
needing to be plugged in for up to six hours.
Instead, Martin said, hybrid cars have matured faster than the state
had hoped, and put out very little pollution.
``Our program will continue,'' Martin said. ``This rule just
recognizes some technological shifts.''
Unlike battery-powered electric vehicles, hybrids, which are powered
by a combination of batteries and a small gasoline engine, do not
have to be plugged in to recharge. They recharge by the turning and
braking of the wheels.
Sales of hybrids grew 43 percent in 2002 to about 36,000 vehicles,
including the Prius, the two-door Honda Insight and the Honda Civic
Hybrid sedan. The Prius, at $19,999, gets 45 miles per gallon on the
highway and 52 mpg in the city. It also emits 75 percent less smog
than a new Toyota Corolla.
Although all details were not complete Monday night, Martin said the
air board staff will recommend several significant changes to the
so-called ``zero-emission vehicle'' program, known to insiders as
the ``ZEV mandate.''
First, it will drop rules that require purely zero-emission
vehicles. The air board made national news in 1990 when it required
that 10 percent of new vehicles sold in California by 2003 --
roughly 100,000 cars -- be ``zero-emission'' or electric.
Steadily backing away
As battery technology failed to deliver, however, the air board
slashed that requirement at least three times. By 2001, the board
mandated that only 2 percent of new cars sold be electric by 2003.
With credits for increased range and early introduction, Ford,
General Motors, Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Daimler-Chrysler were
required to sell at least 4,650 electric vehicles a year by 2003.
Now, even the 2 percent mandate is proposed to be scrapped, Martin
said.
Instead, automakers will have the option of making up the difference
with hybrid vehicles.
Second, the air board staff will propose requiring that automakers
build and sell about 250 fuel cell vehicles in California by 2008.
Fuel cell vehicles run on a complex chemical reaction, gaining
energy from hydrogen or other clean sources. But they remain years
away from production.
Finally, the air board staff will recommend that a panel of experts
report back in 2008 on the status of battery technology to see
whether a new electric car rule should be passed.
Some environmental groups on Monday said they will fight to keep
some ``zero-emission'' targets in state law, even if only to
pressure automakers to spend more money developing fuel cells.
``This is extremely disappointing,'' said Jason Mark, a spokesman
with the Union of Concerned Scientists, in Berkeley. ``While we
expected the state to takes its foot off the accelerator on the
program, we didn't expect them to slam on the brakes.''
Automakers said the change was long overdue.
``California tried to force us to build something that wasn't market
ready, and it looks like they have finally realized that fact,''
said Greg Dana, vice president of environmental affairs for the
Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, in Washington, D.C. ``The
industry knows that because of air pollution problems, we have to
build cars that have no emissions. We are working hard to get
there.''
Gains in cutting smog
Since 1970, dramatic gains have been made in reducing the amount of
smog from cars. Because of catalytic converters, cleaner burning
gasoline and computers, the average new car emits less than 5
percent of the smog that a 1970 model did. But vehicles remain a
major source of air pollution, accounting for roughly 50 percent of
California's ground level ozone, or smog.
The air board's change of heart on electric cars comes after a
coalition of automakers, led by GM, won a federal injunction last
year to delay the zero-emission rule until the 2005 model year.
Ron Cogan, editor of Green Car Journal, a newsletter based in San
Luis Obispo, said the air board's new direction is practical.
``This is a pretty significant shift,'' Cogan said. ``Hybrids are
here now, and they make significant improvements on emissions, fuel
economy and greenhouse gas emissions.''
Contact Paul Rogers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (408) 920-5045.
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