EV Digest 2650
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Propping up capacity (was: Future of LiIon)
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Think Neighbors
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Two pages of Gems on Ebay. Most under 3k.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) GEM dumping.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: GEM dumping
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric car)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) EVLN(Transoptions' $100/mo leased Force EV program ending)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) EVLN($5.1k 4 seat GEM for driving on Tahoe's shoulders)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) EVLN(CARB dodo's the electric-car market)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Go-Kart is a Goer!
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Go-Kart is a Goer!
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) 9" in a 72v car/first ride
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Help! Transmission switch needed
by "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Help! Transmission switch needed
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Help! Transmission switch needed
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Electric Supra?
by Richard Bebbington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Too little, too late: EVocide
by "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The Badicheq, Zivan Smoother, Powercheq, and my Battery Balancer all do
balancing while you are driving. That's because they can actually charge
a battery. This is an advantage because it can "prop up" the weak cells,
so you range is no longer limited by the weakest cells.
This of course requires some kind of DC/DC converter or switching system
to shuttle the power around between batteries. That makes the
per-battery cost much higher.
If you do the cost-benefit analysis, you will quickly discover
that it makes no sense whatsoever to attempt to compensate for lost battery
capacity with a BMS. Each amp you add to the BMS costs much more than the
slight extension of battery life that it gets you.
When batteries die, they typically lose capacity relatively
quickly. (Look at any cycle versus capacity curve and you will see what I
mean.) If you add, say, 10 amp-hrs to a dying Optima, you will extend its
life by maybe 20 cycles, often less. This is worth $10, at most. Since you
typically are drawing power at the one-hour rate, you will have to add 10
amps or more to prop up this battery that is 10 A-hrs below the rest of the
pack. How many weak batteries will you have to prop up over the years to
make up the cost of adding the ability to pump 10 amps out of the BMS?
Keep in mind that it adds a lot of cost to beef up the entire
system for each additional amp. It is much, much, cheaper to simply replace
the weak battery and size the BMS to take care of just self-discharge and
charge efficiency imbalances. This means an amp or less for a continuos
operating type systems mentioned above.
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http://search.ebaymotors.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&sit
eid=100&from=R8&s_partnerid=2&categorymap=6000&category0=6000&query=Think+Ne
ighbor&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&ebaytag1=ebayreg
Two Think Neighbors for sale for 2500 dollars on EBAY. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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Since I noticed a lot of GEMs for sale new and must be registered in
California. I am assuming that they are part of the EV mandate. They are
going mostly for under 3k for new vehicles. Hmmmm. I wonder what is up.
Lawrence Rhodes......
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Here is a shorter url
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=gem+electric
that show one page. Or bring up http://ebay.com and
put search words GEM electric
once page is up, click price
It looks like dealer dumping.
I am not surprised. Once CARB credits are obtained,
or now that CARB has cowered to the automaker lawsuit
automakers are not interested in selling nEVs.
If one wants to bag one of these, the four seaters usually
go for $5k. Also, check how many miles were put on it,
and who drove it. If it was pre-owned or a return, it is
likely the batteries were drained beyond their half way
point, the nEV crawled home, and the batteries are damaged.
If so, you will be replacing the batteries. Know the
cost of a replacement pack of six 12V group 27 batteries
See http://usbattery.com or http://trojanbattery.com
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March 14, 2003 MOVIE REVIEW 'Cody Banks' has access to gadgets
* Displaying plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may be
targeted at teens, but even their grandparents might consider it
fun. 'Cody Banks' 'Cody Banks' (Diyah Pera) By Kevin Thomas, Times
Staff Writer
Don't mess with Cody Banks, who combines the karate skills of Jackie
Chan with enough gadgetry and stunts for three James Bond movies. He
may sound like Superman, but there's a catch: He's a nice, normal,
middle-class Seattle high school kid who's about 16 but looks
younger.
Back when he was a mere 13, Cody answered an ad in a magazine
devoted to spies and wound up at a summer camp run by the CIA as
part of its agent development plan. The notion that the CIA would be
recruiting teenagers -- and without their parents' knowledge -- is
pretty creepy, but then can anything really be called incredible in
today's world?
In any case, the idea of a teenage 007 is the starting point for
"Agent Cody Banks," a clever and lively action-adventure with a warm
sense of humor and smart dialogue that allows for an affectionate
and fleet-footed satire of the classic elements of the Bond
franchise. It works remarkably well considering this is not entirely
new territory, thanks to Robert Rodriguez's "Spy Kids" movies.
In a bravura opening sequence, the filmmakers shrewdly establish
that Frankie Muniz's Cody may be a normal guy but is far from
ordinary when he exhibits the derring-do of an old-time cliffhanging
serial in rescuing an infant from a car running out of control down
a steep midtown Seattle street. Not surprisingly, Cody is nowhere to
be found when the frantic mother is eager to thank her child's
savior.
Presently, Ronica (Angie Harmon), Cody's tough, statuesque
"handler," has an assignment for him: He's got to woo the pretty
daughter (Hilary Duff) of a scientist (Martin Donovan), a
world-renowned nanotechnologist, which means that he is developing
microscopic robots with the power to destroy the world. Donovan's
Dr. Connors is backed by ERIS, a shadowy research enterprise with a
truly amazing laboratory hidden in the Cascade mountains and run by
the decidedly sinister Brinkman (Ian McShane) and his thuggish
henchman Molay (Arnold Vosloo), blind in his right eye and scarred
across his neck. Donovan's Dr. Connors has to be pretty obtuse ever
to do business with such blatantly bad guys.
There is a hitch in the CIA's plan to get to Connors through his
daughter: Cody may be otherwise fearless, but when it comes to girls
he's hopelessly tongue-tied. To save the world, Cody first has to
overcome his shyness and develop self-confidence with the opposite
sex.
As for all those gadgets at Cody and Ronica's disposal, they include
Snow Hawks, which look to be jet-propelled skis, the Solotrek XFV
(Exoskeletal Flying Vehicle) and the Silver Volt, Cody's
super-powerful electric car.
[ http://www.electricauto.com/SV_Movie/images/index.3.jpg ]
Amazingly, these vehicles actually exist. As one would expect of a
secret agent worth his salt, Cody carries magnetic X-ray sunglasses
(which enable him to see through girls' clothes right to their
Victoria's Secrets), wears suction-cup shoes so he can walk on
ceilings, and has a wristwatch equipped with stun rays.
The film is studded with energetic action sequences in which all
these items and more are put to use, both in everyday locales, and
in dramatic, large-scale laboratories and on snowy mountain slopes.
Working with a script by many hands, director Harald Zwart imposes
an easy, flowing style and a unified vision on the material, which
strikes a smooth balance between Cody's routine family life and his
fantastic exploits, presented with just the right degree of
tongue-in-cheekery. Similarly, Harmon's adamantine Ronica, Keith
David's swaggering CIA director, and McShane and Vosloo's villains
are not to be taken too seriously.
Yet Duff's lovely, spontaneous Natalie Connors and especially Muniz
remain down-to-earth, likable teens. The film ultimately rests on
the resilient shoulders of Muniz. Well-designed and displaying
plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may be targeted at
teens, but even their grandparents might consider it fun.
'Agent Cody Banks'
MPAA Rating: PG, for action violence, mild language and some sexual
content.
Times guidelines: Action emphasizes spectacle more than violence.
Language and sexual allusions are mild.
Frankie Muniz...Cody Banks
Hilary Duff...Natalie Connors
Angie Harmon...Ronica Miles
Keith David...CIA Director
Ian McShane...Brinkman
An MGM presentation of a Splendid Pictures/Maverick Films/Dylan
Sellers production. Director Harald Zwart. Producers David C.
Glasser, Andreas Klein, Guy Oseary, Dylan Sellers, David Nicksay.
Executive producers Mark Morgan, Jason Alexander, Jennifer
Birchfield-Eick, Kerry David, Danny Gold, Michael Jackman, Madonna,
Bob Yari. Screenplay Ashley Edward Miller & Zack Stentz and Scott
Alexander & Larry Karaszewski; from a story by Jeffrey Jurgensen.
Cinematographer Denis Crossan. Editor Jim Miller. Music John Powell.
Stunt coordinator Scott Ateah. Visual effects supervisor Raymond
McIntyre Jr. Costumes Suzanne McCabe. Production designer Rusty
Smith. Art director Kelvin Humenny. Set decorator Lesley Beale.
In general release.
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Workers find cleaner commute
By PHIL GARBER , Managing Editor 03/13/2003
Karen Mannon of Flanders gets her electric car ready to drive to her
office at the Bayer Co. in Morristown.
MOUNT OLIVE TWP. - Karen Mannon leaves her Flanders home each day,
takes the train from Netcong to Morristown and then hops in her
company's electric car to get to her office a few miles away.
Liz Hamlin regularly gets more than 38 miles to the gallon as she
uses her hybrid gas and electric car to get around from her
Washington Township home.
The two are among the growing number of area motorists who are
trying vehicles with alternative technologies as a way to reduce
their commuting time and cut air pollution.
Mannon's all-electric Solectria Force, four-door sedan, is leased by
her employer, the Bayer Corp., from Transoptions, a Morris County,
non-profit organization dedicated to finding ways to help commuters
car pool, take mass transit or otherwise cut the amount of traffic
on the roads.
John Ciaffone, president of Transoptions, said N.J. Transit
purchased nine of the electric cars in 1997 as part of a pilot
project with Transoptions to test if commuters would use the
vehicles instead of their gasoline counterparts.
[ http://transoptions.org ]
Eight of the cars were made available to various companies to lease
for $100 a month and one was used by Transoptions for education and
promotion. Each car can hold four commuters, meaning there could
potentially be 32 fewer people driving to work and clogging up the
rush hour traffic every day.
Among the companies that joined in the program, Lucent leased three
cars, Bayer and JCP&L leased two cars each and Verizon Wireless
leased one.
As part of the pilot program, N.J. Transit also provided nine
parking spaces at the Morristown train station and provided electric
chargers for each space.
Ciaffone said the program was aimed at those commuters who drove to
work because they had no way to get from the train station to their
office. The electric cars were driven to the offices in the morning
and returned to the train station lot at night, where they were
plugged in to be ready for use again the next morning.
Program End
The pilot program ended in 2000 and Transoptions offered to keep it
running if N.J. Transit reserved the parking spaces and transferred
ownership of the vehicles to Transoptions.
"The program was going to end and we were disappointed," said
Ciaffone.
N.J. Transit agreed and Bayer and Verizon Wireless now lease two
cars each for their employees. Each of the original cars have
100,000 miles and are used for the 10 mile round trip to the
companies. The companies lease the cars and are allowed to place
their logos on the vehicles.
The electric vehicles must be recharged for about three hours after
every 100 miles of use, making them implausible for everything but
the short trips. They do make sense for employees who only need the
electric cars in the morning to get to their office and at night to
get to the train, Ciaffone said.
"They get off the train and the car is there, fully charged," he
said.
Employees like Mannon use the cars to get to their offices but they
also drive them short distances for business meetings, lunches or
errands.
Mannon has been a financial specialist with Bayer for 30 years and
for most of her career, she endured the 45 minute commute on a good
day, from Flanders to Morristown. An Indiana native, Mannon said she
never did like the traffic and the commute.
She said she volunteered to try the electric car and hasn't had a
second thought since.
Now, she parks her Buick Roadmaster at the Netcong train station
every morning and takes the train to Morristown. Along the 35 minute
ride, she chats with friends she has made or takes a few minutes to
read the paper. She arrives in Morristown unruffled by the rush hour
traffic and meets with four other Bayer employees who get in the
converted GEO Metro, which is in the parking lot, ready and
charged.
The car looks like a gasoline vehicle but it has no gearshift or
power steering and makes no noise other than the beeping when it is
in reverse. Acceleration isn't the greatest but the car can cruise
at 65 to 70 mph on the interstates.
At the end of the day, Mannon drives the Solectria to Morristown,
hops the train and is home 45 minutes later.
"I know it's good for the environment and I didn't like dealing with
traffic," said Mannon, who lives on Snead Court. "For me, it works
out good."
At Verizon, company spokewoman Robin Nickel said the electric cars
are popular with employees on their "power commute" from the train
station to the office and back.
"We got involved to help support the environmental efforts and to
help employees with another mode to get to work" Nickel said.
Transoptions also uses two of the electric cars in the group's
environmental education program designed to show students the
relationship between fossil fuel and air quality and the
alternatives, Ciaffone said.
The all-electric cars are not feasible for long distance driving,
partly because they must be recharged so frequently and partly
because of their $40,000 price tag.
Ciaffone said the more popular alternative is the hybrid
electric-gas car. Two of the Transoptions employees drive the hybrid
Toyota Preius cars because of the low emissions, Ciaffone said.
The hybrids cost about $20,000 and get more than 45 miles to the
gallon while emitting 20 percent less of the pollutants than
standard gasoline-powered vehicles.
"The realistic answer to alternative fuel use is the hybrid, not the
full electric car," Ciaffone said.
Currently, hybrids are available in the U.S. from Honda and Toyota
with GM and Ford expected to offer hybrids within the next two
years.
The IRS also offers tax incentives to people who buy
alternative-fuel vehicles. Under the Energy Policy Act of 1992, a
tax deduction of up to $2,000 can be taken for "clean-fuel"or hybrid
vehicles of 10,000 lbs. or less, such as a passenger car.
The electric vehicle tax credit is generally 10 percent of the cost
of the vehicle, up to a maximum of $4,000 per vehicle.
Other clean-fuel vehicles that qualify for tax breaks use hydrogen
fuel cells, compressed natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas or
ethanol.
Hamlin bought her Honda Civic hybrid in May for about $20,000. She
said the fact sheet about the car said it would get 45 to 50 miles
per gallon but actually gets closer to 38 miles per gallon.
She said her husband, Cary, mostly uses the vehicle and is happy
with it.
"I don't think there is a downside," Hamlin said.
Unlike the all-electric car, the hybrid charges itself, using excess
energy from the gasoline engine to charge the electric battery.
Kevin Smith, a salesman at Condit Toyota World in Newton, said the
dealer sold less than 10 hybrids last year and that the public is
still not generally ready to embrace alternative technologies when
it comes to their vehicles.
"Sales haven't been as brisk as we would like but they're a lot
better than was originally anticipated," Smith said. "People up here
tend to shy away from high-tech cars."
The Toyota Preus hybrid is about the same size as the Toyota Corolla
and cost about the same, in the range of $20,000. Smith said the car
comes with an eight-year, 100,000 mile warrantee and lasts longer
than a gasoline-driven car because the gas engine is not continually
in use.
"I was astounded the first time I drove one," said Smith.
He said Toyota plans to introduce a hybrid full-size van and small
sports utility vehicle in mid-2004.
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March 12, 2003 Zipping around town without gas
Photo by Chris Wellhausen/Tahoe Daily Tribune
Yvonne Ponzo takes a neighborhood drive Tuesday morning in her new
electric car. Chris Wellhausen/Tahoe Daily Tribune
Zoom By Gregory Crofton, Tahoe Daily Tribune
This little red-and-white buggy never fails to turn heads.
Is it a golf cart or four-seat mini? It's both. The key is that it
can run for 35 miles on electricity, create zero emissions and top
out at 25 mph.
They are called GEM cars. GEM stands for Global Electric Motor
company. It's based in North Dakota and has built more than 20,000
of the 72-volt, six-battery cars.
George and Yvonne Ponzo, a retired couple who live off Kingsbury
Grade, have owned a GEM for a month. Soaring gas prices, air quality
concerns and a tax break helped the Ponzos make the decision to
invest in the technology.
They bought their GEM while vacationing in Palm Springs. The sticker
price was about $9,000, but the dealer had dropped the price for a
four-seater to $4,995. With taxes and license, it cost $5,600.
The Ponzos also expect a $500 rebate in their federal income tax
return because of the purchase. The cars require the same insurance
and registration as other vehicles. They are legal on all roads
other than freeways, the Ponzos said.
"With gas prices as high as what it's getting, I think you'll see
more and more people with one," Yvonne Ponzo said. "When we were in
the valley my eyes were watering from the stuff in the air. This
eliminates that. I feel proud that this is one of the few places
that hosts real blue sky. I feel good about that."
Despite the colder weather, and the fact their GEM has no doors at
the moment (doors cost an extra $1,700), the couple has used their
GEM for runs to the grocery store and casinos.
Ponzo says she takes her GEM out when traffic is slow and tries to
stay on the side of the road.
"I figure I'll stay on the shoulder, and with the help of my
mirrors, I don't plan to be a hazard to traffic," she said.
A GEM has two driving modes: turf and road. A flick of the switch to
turf limits the car's power to about 15 mph. Replace its trunk
compartment with golf bag holders and it's ready for the golf
course.
The road setting allows the GEM to reach its maximum speed of 25 mph
and gives the driver an opportunity to use the headlights, turn
signals, windshield wiper and horn.
A GEM may be an ideal vehicle for a family like the Ponzos. They
spend four weeks a year working campground and security duty at auto
races in Chico. Their GEM, they say, is perfect for zipping around
the race area. Because of their work, the couple also owns four
ATVs, four golf carts, a large diesel pickup, a Ford Ranger, a Ford
Explorer and a trailer.
With the GEM, George Ponzo says he expects to be able to cut one ATV
and two golf carts from his garage. His wife quickly chimed in: We
only agreed to get it if he "eliminated some of his other toys."
But what about money?
The verdict is still out for the Ponzos, but they assume the GEM
will benefit their pocketbook.
"We've only had it here a month; it hasn't been long enough to
determine that," Yvonne Ponzo said. "But it's just like plugging in
a television set or a computer -- it's just a regular plug that goes
into an outlet."
Steve Shark, who works marketing at GEM, said most of cars are sold
to master plan communities "where people have retail and school
destinations within a short radius of their home." GEMs are also
used on military bases, golf courses and by people who own a large
amount of land.
The GEM dealers nearest to South Lake Tahoe are: Liberty Motors
Dodge Chrysler at Grass Valley, Calif.; Folsom Lake Dodge at Folsom,
Calif.,; and Lasher Dodge at Sacramento. There are no GEM dealers in
Nevada.
-- Gregory Crofton can be reached at (530) 542-8045 or by e-mail at
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[...]
We're Not Gonna Rock Down to Electric Avenue
The electric car could soon go the way of the dodo, as California
moves toward eliminating a rule first approved in 1990 to force
automakers to sell a fixed number of electric cars in the state. The
proposed changes to the zero-emissions-vehicle rule would allow car
manufacturers to earn credits for low-emissions hybrid vehicles,
instead of only for electric cars. The changes amount to an
acknowledgement that hybrids are more economical and more appealing
to customers than electric vehicles. When it comes to cars, as
California goes, so goes the nation, so the policy change could
sound the death knell for the electric-car market. Meanwhile, Shell
announced plans to unveil the nation's first hydrogen fuel-pump at a
gas station, in Washington, D.C. The pump will provide fuel for six
experimental General Motors fuel-cell minivans that will be loaned
out for test-driving, especially to denizens of Capitol Hill.
Critics say the cars are a way for automakers to make a good
impression on politicians without making any real changes to U.S.
vehicle production.
the source: San Jose Mercury News, Paul Rogers, 04 Mar 2003
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The seating position bothers my hips when pulling high G turns.
It is fine in a straight line or gentle turns.
All my autocross cars had knee pads to take the strain off my hips and
prevent cramps.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Go-Kart is a Goer!
> > The legs go over the top of the batteries. Most go karts are driven with
> the
> > knees bent at a 90 degree angle.
>
> That's right, it sounds rather awkward but it's actually not that bad when
> you are sitting in the thing and driving it around.
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The Laher cart has an axle. Two bolts. Two tapered roller bearings. Some
spacers. Two races. Two pressure fittings to hold in the bearings in and
act as dust caps. 5 bolt 18 inch tires. Very wide. I am not quit sure how
to adjust the bearings. It seems that tapping the dust cap down untill the
play stops might be the way. The fork just has two tubular holes to put the
axle thru. It rolled easily but one of the bearings is trashed and making a
thumping noise so I figure it could be better. Anybody point me in the
right direction for assistance? I know where to get the bearings.
Adjustment is the problem. The wheel is 9 1/4 inch in diameter. 5 bolt
pattern. 18 X9.50 - 8. Very wide. Two ply rated. Might a narrower trailer
tire work. They are Carlisle ribbed & the back are Turfsavers. Lawrence
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For off road tires, I might try something like
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1811906&cat=96505&type
=1&dept=91083&path=0%3A91083%3A96394%3A96505 from Walmart. They cost $12.95
and are 13 inches tall on a 5 inch wide 6 inch diameter wheel. The web page
states they are rated for 295 pounds each at 10 MPH. You can probably get a
wheel at a mower shop.
ATV tires are rated for higher speeds but are typically 18 to 25 inches
tall.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Dean Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Go-Kart is a Goer!
> Hello Joe,
>
> > The first thing that jumped out at me when I saw the pictures was "the
> tires
> > are too small". Your experience seems to bear that out.
>
> Yes, we've know from the start that those wheels wouldn't be any good.
They
> are left over from when the cart was a low speed vehicle. Any suggestions
on
> some better wheels? I'll have to see if you can get proper go-kart tyres
> with that size OD (12").
>
> Thanks, I think I'll try some better wheels on my kart and see what that
> does. Once we've extracted all the fun and worked out what happens when,
> I'll get a prebuilt racing chassis and start on MKII.
>
> Dean
>
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Jack the front end up.
Loosen the axle nuts a couple turns each.
Spin the tire by hand.
Tighten nuts a little bit at a time until it spins down slightly slower than
with the nuts loose. (this indicates the onset of binding)
Back off about 1/12 turn on each axle nut.
If lash is OK, install the cotter keys.
Remove jack.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:18 AM
Subject: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
> I am not quit sure how
> to adjust the bearings. It seems that tapping the dust cap down untill
the
> play stops might be the way. The fork just has two tubular holes to put
the
> axle thru. It rolled easily but one of the bearings is trashed and making
a
> thumping noise so I figure it could be better. Anybody point me in the
> right direction for assistance? I know where to get the bearings.
> Adjustment is the problem.
>
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Finding a tire will be no problem. 18X9.50-8 might be hard to find
but the slightly narrower 18X8.50-8 is a standard golf cart size and also
used on garden tractors.
Tom Shay
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:18 AM
Subject: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
> The Laher cart has an axle. Two bolts. Two tapered roller bearings.
Some
> spacers. Two races. Two pressure fittings to hold in the bearings in and
> act as dust caps. 5 bolt 18 inch tires. Very wide. I am not quit sure
how
> to adjust the bearings. It seems that tapping the dust cap down untill
the
> play stops might be the way. The fork just has two tubular holes to put
the
> axle thru. It rolled easily but one of the bearings is trashed and making
a
> thumping noise so I figure it could be better. Anybody point me in the
> right direction for assistance? I know where to get the bearings.
> Adjustment is the problem. The wheel is 9 1/4 inch in diameter. 5 bolt
> pattern. 18 X9.50 - 8. Very wide. Two ply rated. Might a narrower
trailer
> tire work. They are Carlisle ribbed & the back are Turfsavers.
Lawrence
> Rhodes.....
>
>
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The car is a 88 Hyundai 2 door hatch back and for now he is using the same
72volt controller. The tranny is from a 4 door Hyundai and is a 5 speed were
his old one was a 4 speed . As I have not driven the car in almost 2 years
it is hard for me to compare . I did drive around before we started the
switch but not much. Russ came this morning and we drove around with it . I
had told him on the phone about the lack of performance so he was prepared.
He say it dose go faster and seems happy . We talked about replacing the 6v
bats with 8v and getting the voltage up to 120 v , but this will have to
wait till he has some extra money. Russ likes to work on the car with me and
this was good because the hub that holds the flywheel slid on the motor
shaft and was rubbing on the motor. :-( . We took the motor and tranny
out . The hub had 2 set screws 5/16"NC , we taped another and replaced the
set screws with bolts , then drilled the motor shaft so the bolts would have
a 1/8 " seat . Put everything back and its working fine. He's happy so I'm
happy and a bigger controller/more batteries are down the road , this was
the first step.
Now I have a motor and tranny for the 4 door Hyundai. EV parts keep falling
from the sky , were are the EV drivers> ?
Steve Clunn
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From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: 9" in a 72v car
> Are you using the same controller or did you upgrade it as well. The
problem
> might be the controller and your shifting habits. The higher voltage motor
> will need to be run at a lower RPM to get similar performance.
>
> Here is a test to do.
>
> 1. Put the car in a middle gear at a dead stop.
>
> 2. Press the accelerator to the floor and watch the battery amps as the
car
> accelerates.
>
> 3. You will notice that the amps start out low when the car is at a stop.
> The amps build up as the car gains speed. When the car reaches 100% PWM
the
> amps drop off because of the motor back EMF. The earlier motor ran at a
> higher RPM than this motor to get the same power. Note the RPM where the
> current peaked.
>
> 4. Retest the motor by shifting through all the gears when the RPM reaches
> about 120% of the current peak RPM you observed.
>
> This should give you some idea where the new motor likes to be shifted to
> perform well.
>
> The motor should produce the same amount of power as the older motor since
> this test shows the controller power limit instead of the motor power
limit.
>
> The controller might be going into premature current limit if the motor
> inductance is too low. You can confirm this by adding an inductor in
series
> with the motor and see if it perks up with the inductor installed.
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:48 AM
> Subject: 9" in a 72v car
>
>
> > Russ W has been driving one of my conversions for almost 2 years and
would
> > like more power/speed . I used a 36volt fork lift motor from surplus
> supply
> > and a 72 volt savacom controller that I got from upgrading another EV
> (also
> > got a Lester 72v charger) . When I had the car I tried it with more bats
> > (20)and a Curtis controller but the extra weight was to much for the
small
> > motor , it did go faster but not much and 12 golf cart bats seemed about
> > right ( and I had the controller/charger for 72v) . I have talked to
Russ
> > about it , pointing out that it would really need 4 things , bigger
> motor,
> > bigger controller , more batteries ,and a different charger. With this
in
> > mind my advice was to sell it and start a new one. As nobody bought it
we
> > then talked of up grading and the motor seemed like the first place to
> > start. Russ bought a nice new 9" net gain and last Friday brought the
car
> > over (100 mile trip) , His thoughts were to come Friday evening with car
> on
> > rented dolly and take it home Saturday (so as not to rent it twice).
This
> > was a little ambishes as we had to also make a new adaptor plate (but
not
> > the hub). I have another hyndi like his and we are using the tranny
from
> it
> > as its a 5 speed . (my pay will be the old motor/tranny ) . Worked till
> > midnight and then up early and by about 4 pm Russ could see it wasn't
> going
> > to be finished as he had planned. We did get allot done and the motor
was
> > sitting in the car , . I told Russ I'd work on it during the week as I
> > wanted to take a little more time and straighten up a lot of lose ends.
I
> > didn't get to do all the stuff I saw that needed to be done ,done but
> today
> > I did test drive it . Here is something I was not counting on , It
almost
> > seems like it has less power . That big 9" motor is not to peppy on
72v.
> > He's coming down tomorrow , wish I had advised him better or had asked
the
> > list for advise, I did think it would go faster with the bigger motor
but
> > now that I think about it I can see were running a motor a 1/2 it rated
> > voltage might not even give 1/2 it's hp
> > Steve Clunn
> > .
> >
>
>
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You can see a picture of the switch here;
http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/speedsw.jpg
This is the high speed (2nd gear) switch on my Dodge TEVan.
Specifics
-normally open
-0.55" outside diameter of thread (16-18? threads per inch)
-switch activated with steel ball that sticks out about 0.125" beyond
threaded part.
-15/16" hex mounting nut (although this dimensions isn't important, could be
3/4" or 7/8"
-two spade terminals to connect the harness.
Anybody know where I can get this type of switch?
Thanks,
Rod
www.qsl.net/w8rnh
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Rod,
My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that these are standard Dodge
backup light switches. The guy I bought my van from (or someone before him)
has written "Mopar #4373814" by the switch in the manual. It also looks
like the high and low switches are the same.
Dave
From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! Transmission switch needed
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:10:20 -0500
You can see a picture of the switch here;
http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/speedsw.jpg
This is the high speed (2nd gear) switch on my Dodge TEVan.
Specifics
-normally open
-0.55" outside diameter of thread (16-18? threads per inch)
-switch activated with steel ball that sticks out about 0.125" beyond
threaded part.
-15/16" hex mounting nut (although this dimensions isn't important, could
be
3/4" or 7/8"
-two spade terminals to connect the harness.
Anybody know where I can get this type of switch?
Thanks,
Rod
www.qsl.net/w8rnh
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Rod, I believe that is a standard Dodge backup light switch. Any decent
auto parts place or Dodge dealer should be able to get one for you. If
that is on my old TEVan, I would be suspect that is not the real
problem. When I received the van, it did not operate in high. I too
thought it was the switch, but it turned out to be the shift cable
itself. The end had not been crimped on correctly. I crimped it myself,
and then to reinforce it, covered it with heavy duty heat shrink. I would
suspect the repair may have failed, allowing the cable to lengthen enough
to prevent proper shifting. Included with the parts shipped with the van
was a new replacement shift cable still in the box. It arrived after the
van, and after I had repaired the original cable so I never installed
it. I would start there. If you really think it is the switch, I would
swap the high and low speed switches and see if the problem remains with
the high speed one.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Force (x2)
Kansas City, Missouri
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At 11:10 AM 3/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
You can see a picture of the switch here;
http://www.qsl.net/w8rnh/speedsw.jpg
This is the high speed (2nd gear) switch on my Dodge TEVan.
Specifics
-normally open
-0.55" outside diameter of thread (16-18? threads per inch)
-switch activated with steel ball that sticks out about 0.125" beyond
threaded part.
-15/16" hex mounting nut (although this dimensions isn't important, could be
3/4" or 7/8"
-two spade terminals to connect the harness.
Anybody know where I can get this type of switch?
Thanks,
Rod
www.qsl.net/w8rnh
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Hi Listers,
A friend of mine is selling his 1990 Toyota Supra
cheap, supposedly because he needs the room for his
other toy, a vicious snarling Nissan Pulsar.
Personally I think he's crazy to be selling it, but
he is, and here's where my evil mind starts plotting....
This car has mint condition bodywork, but has overheating
problems. It can idle all day in the driveway, but as soon as
it gets driven, it overheats. The car has suffered from the
dreaded head-gasket failure, and that has been repaired,
( very expensive! :-O ) but still has problems.
I'm starting to wonder about converting it -
- using something like twin 8 or 9 inch motors,
24 odd Optimas and a Zilla.... this way, there would
still be 300 HP of fun available, just electric fun
rather than noisy smelly ICE fun!
The car's rear-wheel drive, with automatic box,
and has acres of room under the hood. So much
of the conversion would be pretty standard stuff,
apart from the auto box ( remove the torque converter? )
Is this even a remotely sensible idea? Or is it
just plain evil? ;-)
If I did do this, it'd make a great commuting car,
and would probably last a lot longer than an electric
Mini ( rust-wise )...
Hmmm....
Richard Bebbington
Electric Mini pickup
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> While we all know this, why is it now that the decision
> is made that the media is re-hashing this. GM is not going
> to suddenly change their mind. So why is the media
> re-living the EV driver's pain.
I believe it is to justify and reinforce the misinformation because of
gasoline prices being so hihg and to shift attention and interest to hybrids
that are being offered and FCV PR stunts.
>
> Where were they, when they were towing the automaker's lies?
>
> Why isn't there pieces on Honda EV pluses, Think City's,
> and the Toyota RAV4?
>
Very good question. Makes one wonder who owns a bigger chunk of what
industry? GM has lost a lot of market, not that they others haven't. GM have
been petitioned and bugged by more people than what all the rest combined
have gotten, IMHO.
> How about someone pulling the media's pants down and have
> them admit their involvement in stating the automaker's lies?
>
Sure wouldn't be hard to prove what a horrible job the media did researching
and presenting the facts. I've written letters to editors, I've "signed"
petitons on the Web, I'm on the mailing list for the White House. I sense a
tendency for people to sort of shy away from making politically incorrect
waves. If they can't touch, drive, etc, they are too interested. There are
several exceptions to this on the List. What else can we possibly do at this
point? Do you have a plan of action Bruce? If so, let me know. You know you
can count on me to help like I've done in the past.
How can we get, say 75% of the EVDL, to "pull up to the charging stand" and
actively participate?
How many will barrage this reply with Posts about political tones and such,
instead of getting into the seat of the vehicle and moving with instead of
against our cause?
> Watt do you think?
I think it's a great concept. Can we find others to help carry the torch, or
is it just about the money and the glory shots when we ride/drive, play show
and tell?
I know several folks who's entire lifestyle and universe rotates around
EV's. Many of you do so much to help people, giving lectures and talks,
educating school groups, giving technical advise on the List. I'm grateful
for everything that you all of you folks do, both great and small. But,
sadly, several of us isn't going to make much of a commotion with Big
Business and the political world.
Perhaps personal emails to folks, begging and pleading with them to get just
a little bit more active with things like letters to editors. There are many
other things that I can't think of right now.
I sense that people are tired, worn down, and generally have had it with
trying. They are fed up and burned out. I've been feeling that way off and
on for about a year or so now. Somedays I just want to curl up in my garage
and take a nap and dream about the EV that I want to build and drive in the
future.
On a good note though, people I've talked with the last couple weeks agree
that while BEV's maybe "don't work" for every application, but $2 and more a
gallon for gasoline doesn't work for ANYONE or ANY application.
I feel bad for folks who bought SUV's recently and are locked into the gas
pump game for a long time, and having to buy so darn much fuel. They have
been lied to and manipulated by the phsycology of advertising. How did most
people ever get so mentally fogged over that they can't see past all of the
games?
Let me know what I can do Bruce. I'm standying by for NEWS!! ;-))
Politically incorrect as usual, but with warm regards to All,
Rick
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