EV Digest 2655
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Battery pack replacement and telemetry question
by "Christopher Meier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Segway
by Joseph Vaughn-Perling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: What Now?
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: What Now?
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: emi affetcs brains
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: batteries
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Black Hole Sites
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) CLEAN TRANSPORTATION Tues 3/18 9am Market st. SF, UCS GM +
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Electric Supra?
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: emi affetcs brains
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric car)
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EV Sites
by Carmen Farruggia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Martin Marietta Charger
by "Mike Pengelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: emi affetcs brains
by Jessica & Donald Jansen & Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Scoots and PEV's was RE: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yes; order up a couple of the relay boards and the control board
from Lee's battery balancer and use it to monitor your pack. If
you can fit the boards inside the pack container, then you minimize
the risk of high voltage outside the container. If they won't fit inside,
you could mount them in a box that sits just outside the pack container,
and run the monitor wires between them, with appropriate conduit
to minimize the HV risk.
> However with the pack down, I would like to build a monitoring circuit so
I
> can watch the new batteries in action. Question: Does anyone make a small,
> simple circult to read a battery's voltage and output it in digital form?
>
> My first thought was to run 50 wires into a bus from the batteries, then
out
> to a connection port. However this unnerves me a bit, since it would be
> putting 300 volt potential outside the pack and bypassing the normal
> interlocks. Another issue was fitting 50 fuses and 50 wires and so forth.
>
> Any thoughts on building a sealed telemetry system so I can watch the
> batteries?
>
> Chris
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Think about it in 15 years time when folks are saying this same thing
about the Segway supra model and the old segways are in garage sales for a
hundred bucks. If these make the volume, they really can change the
world.
Where I live the nearest health club is more than just a few miles
away. If I want to exercise indoors with gear, I can either drive or not
go. A segway would be preferable to a car for this.
=-=-=-
The advantage is that is is more complex, more expensive and more exotic
than board scooters or E-bikes that might transport 1 person equally
well (or better).
I believe the main market for the Segway will be the guy (or girl) who
wants to move around on the sidewalk but doesn't want to be confused
with those proles who walk because the have to.
It'll be cool to be the first on your block, less cool when everyone has
one and the sidewalks are gridlocked like the streets.
I want a photo of one parked outside an expensive health club....
Don't get me wrong, as an engineer I admire the job they've done, it
looks to be an excellent design properly executed, a solution to a
problem that many of us didn't know we had...
--
Andrew King
Ann Arbor Michigan
technology is the answer, what was the question?
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Tonight I plugged it up and the amps were higher
> than normal on the E-meter, even with the extension cord it was close to
30
> amps. After a while the amps dropped to near 20 so I tried to remove the
> extension cord and the amps went over 30 and the breaker left town.
The new bats will absorbe more amps that the old ones
The pack
> voltage was reading 157.5 and try as I might I could not get it to go up
> without popping the breaker.
did you let it charge for a while at lower amps / with longer cord ??
> I rechecked the cables, I rechecked the input power and it was also at
> 157.5. Is this a coincidence? I have never had a problem getting the pack
to
> charge right on up to 185v.That is where the course power runs out and
> serves to stabilize the pack. I have been doing it for a long time now and
> never had any trouble.
> SO!!!!! Why now does the voltage stop at 157? Why now are the amps so
> high?
>
> As usual I have no clue, So I turn to the wisdom of the list..
> All help gratefully accepted.
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
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I got to agree with Bruce here. I had been using bad boy chargers with add
on's for years , it's been a hobby/quest to build a good charger , I like to
playing around with electric parts ect but never really had anything that
worked well , Then the last conversion I did I told the guy ,Paul that there
was this charger called the PFC-20 and he needed to get one . When he didn't
jump at the idea I told him if he didn't like it or found something else he
could pay me for the work with the charger. I wanted to see one of these and
try it out . He took so long to order it that the car was done before the
charger. The car was 156v and I throw together something using a 36v golf
cart charger to boost the 120v to 156 . The night I got back from the 2ed
cooking of the 9"ge there was a big box with the green machine inside. The
next day I went to visit my EV friend tom in Okeechobee . Tom also has been
using a bad boy and we have been building chargers (batteries cookers) over
the years I have known him . So we took it inside and on the kitchen table
took the lid off (just to check the fuse ha ha) . Man what a work of art.
After drooling over it for ten mints I said "even if we had the scamitic we
couldn't build something like this" . That thing is full of parts ! .
After reading the instructions I found that all my 240 extensions cords had
the ground wire cut and had to fool around just to get a cord set up / .
Well I know its hard to imanagion getting excited about a battery charger
but I was . First thing I noticed was how it kept pushing the amps in , it
didn't taper off like a bad boy dose when the voltage starts to climb. I set
it for 148v ( 120v pack) and when it hit that voltage then the amps started
tapering . 3 hours and I was fully charged . I took it to work on the work
truck and enjoyed it more that I can say. For the first few day I'd watch it
charge my truck and though how before I'd be checking to see if it was time
to add some extension cord to go into taper or pull the plug cuse I left it
on to long and now I'm just watching the e- meter. Then I got a call form
somebody interested in EV's . After talking to the guy I decided to let him
try out The Mazda truck for a few days. . I then mounted it in the Mazda
truck and it fit right behind the seat . I really missed it but knew that a
least the batteries were getting charged right and the guy didn't have to
unplug it after a certain amount of time. I feel a little like the guy who
tried to fix a light bulb for years with no luck and then buys one and just
sits around staring at it for hours. I'll tell you what , buy one and if you
don't like it I'll buy it from you for what you paid for it. I need 2 of
them for my other EV's and as soon as I can get the doe I'll be getting
another.
Steve Clunn
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: What Now?
> Thomas is right.
> Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.
>
> If your EV needed a new pack, and a better
> charger, you need to invest in both now to
> not lose the investment you made in the pack.
> Improper charging can lose your $1500.
>
> By the way $1500 is cheap. If you do it right,
> you won't have to spend that money again for
> 3 years. $500 a year is cheap. Just unplug
> and go.
>
> Work with the EV List members, give them your
> battery readings, pack voltage, battery type,
> charge current amps, and how long you charge
> to help you resolve this and not kill your
> new pack. Remember you have to break in a pack
> much like you would break in a new ICE ...
> gently.
>
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Shari Prange (ElectroAutomotive) wrote:
> >voltages beyond a certain value are suppose to be responsible
for causing
> >some disorders related to the brains as the electromagnetic
induction
> >affects the brains.
> >does anyone have more info on this?
> >does anyone know the name of this kind of pollution?
>
> EMF is more associated with AC devices than the kinds of DC
systems used in
> most conversions.
> We have had measurements taken inside our EV conversions while
driving have
> found insignificant EMF readings. The only significant amounts
of EMF were
> within three feet of the charger (which has AC input) during
> charging. However, this usually happens in the garage or
driveway at
> night, nowhere near any people.
>
I would think that there would be a fair amount of EMF coming off
the PWM (a kind of AC hash, I would think) controller,
backfeeding into the batteries, which has the large 2/0 cables
running down the body pan tunnel between the front and back
battery packs.
However:
1) The battery pack is probably acting as a large capacitor,
soaking up most of the backfed hash from the controller.
2) The two 2/0 cables in the tunnel are tied closely together for
most of their length (I forget, say eight feet or so?) but then
diverge. So the EMF in these cables in the tunnel may cancel
out.
Am I in the ballpark with this?
I know when I tried the AM radio in the Rabbit, it certainly
tuned into the controller, making all sorts of squeals and other
funny sounds. We don't shield the controller busbars on our
conversions, so we probably have upwards of a 20-30kW "radio
station" on the VoltsRabbits, and higher in the higher-voltage
conversions. I know I had one NBEAA (EAA - SF North Bay Chapter)
member raise that issue with me regarding his Ford Ranger
conversion, and this person is quite knowledgeable about
electronics. My feeling is that AM deserves what it gets,
including chatter from the supposedly quiet spark ignition
systems on gas cars (maybe diesels are quieter). I never got the
chance to try FM in my VoltsRabbit, but I would imagine there is
not a problem.
As for when I had the K&W BC-20 charger in my VoltsRabbit, I know
an AM radio (plugged into the AC line up in my bedroom) certainly
picked up the staccato static from the K&W downstairs in the
carport (say 10-20 feet away). Never bothered the FM on that
radio. I haven't tried the Zivan K2 (which is my current
charger), well ok, we'll try it now: no noise like the K&W,
although I think the charger has probably tapered off by now, so
only probably taking 100-200W off the line. However, I kinda
recall being able to pick up the K&W even when it was tapered
off.
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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On 17 Mar 2003 at 19:28, Jim Coate wrote:
> I pack my batteries close together, as it helps keep them warm in the
> cold winters where I am. However, if it is always hot where you are,
> leaving space for air on the sides would help keep the battery
> temperature down.
You should also consider the fact that lead batteries with conventional
plates swell in the in the long dimension as they age. If you fit them into
a box too tightly, they will be very difficult to remove when it's time to
replace them. I recommend allowing at least 10mm between batteries.
This problem does not occur with spiral-wound batteries such as Optimas and
Cyclons.
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On 17 Mar 2003 at 18:33, damon henry wrote:
> The only downsides to a Segway that I
> see are size and price. These are both personal preferences that people may
> be willing to look past.
I suspect that quite a few people on this list will find the price tag holds
them back, though there are many here who admire and will pay for a
beautifully crafted machine. (I haven't seen one, but I hear the Segway is
in fact such a machine.)
And away from here, it gets tougher. Most Americans buy almost entirely on
price, not on quality, durability, and/or intriguing engineering.
But wait a year or so. No doubt someone will send one to China to have it
copied. When produced by 20 cent per hour labor and with flimsy, cheesy
parts, the "Wedgeway" (or whatever they call it) will probably cost only a
little more than a scooter.
Of course the quality won't be the same, and it'll quit working after a year
or two of use. But that's OK since I suspect that that the majority of
people who buy a cheap toy like that will chuck it in the back of the garage
when the battery wears out anyway -- unless they do so earlier because it
doesn't quite work like the real thing.
Meanwhile, the genuine Segway will no doubt come down in price as production
ramps up. They'll find ways to cut corners, and probably introduce a
cheaper, entry-level model. They'll find their own sweatshop operation to
produce it for them, dropping the price still further (and probably the
quality too, though one hopes not as much as the copycat sweatshops). So
^if^ it catches on to any extent, eventually its price will fall into a
range that's easier to handle.
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Since my beginning (many years ago) of researching EV
information available on the internet, it has changed
from wild claims, trolling for dollar$, oil paid 'the
sky is falling' anti EV sites in the 90's,
to some left over sites that have bogus EV information.
The public that finds, EV sites that have bogus or old
EV information will get frustrated and just give up. Or
worse yet, spread that wrong information to others.
Some Black Hole sites:
[Disclaimer: DO NOT use these sites as an EV source of
information]
http://cleancarmaps.com
A woefully inaccurrate site that lists what 'they' want, and
does not even try to be up to date.
cleancarmaps was created by calstart.org which is also messed
up. calstart-weststart is funded by ChevronTexaco Ovonic
Mack Trucks Ballard. 'Do people care?' Yes, they care about
their agenda, not EVs.
evinfo.com sells old, out-of-date information. I suppose
this is a lazy way to write a term paper. But some would
think this is current information and hold it as true.
Speaking of out-of-date, zevinfo.com is from CARB. CARB
has aboandoned EVs, yet the page states 'get $11,000
for buying an EV for your fleet'. Great, if EVs were
available.
Buried deep in the Solectria.com site there is a used EV
page http://www.solectria.com/products/usedcars.html
but really, Solectria does not make EVs any longer, and
is working to survive by selling to the hybrid and fcv
companies. Yet their web page code still has html that
search engines find when looking for Electric Vehicles
<meta name="keywords" content="Distributed power generation,
Distributed generation, Distributed power, Ultracapacitor,
Ultracapasitive, Energy systems, Power systems, Energy cells, Energy
storage, Drive system, Power system, Power electronics, Selectria,
Propulsion systems, Electric school bus, Electric car, Electric
vehicle, Hybrid vehicle, Hybrid electric, hybrid diesel, Motor
controller, Inverter, Electric motor, Energy converter, APU,
Auxiliary power unit, Battery pack, Battery system, motor, school
bus, hybrid truck, hybrid, power management, drive system, drives,
bus, alternative fueled vehicle, AFV, delivery, delivery van,
delivery truck">
Anyone trying to buy a new EV will find this site and get
frustrated. Where's the EVs!?!
Toyota released their www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/prius/
site to the search engines so that it can be found when
looking for Electric Vehicle. hybrids are not EVs.
And don't you love the domain squatters that hold domain
names for ransom? www.myev.info
More sites to fall into can be seen at:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22electric+vehicle%22+information
If you know of some, please POST the urls so we can see
them.
Watt do you think?
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Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 1:42 am
Subject: This morning! Tues 3/18 GM in SF on CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
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maybe its the same logic that people use to get a two wheel drive SUV when
they could just get a cheaper minivan..
They don't want the stigma associated with 'soccer moms'.. better to have a
'tough man' SUV
..maybe people don't want to ride a scooter because they associate that with
10 year old.
perception perception perception.. facts be damned.
Although i know it is difficult for some people to stand with one foot in
front of the other without adjusting.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lock Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
>
>
> Hello Roy, and List
>
> A few weeks ago I went purchased an electric scooter for $700 Canadian
> Pesos, including a motor upgrade. The scoot doesn't self-balance, or
> go backwards, but otherwise it seems to have some things on
> common with
> the Segway... two wheels, similar range and speeds. It's a little
> lighter than the Segway. It has great brakes. Yet the Segway looks to
> be about ten times the cost? Does the Segway have a bell?
>
> Lock
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TorontoEVA/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QCYCTender/
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You have a better view of the road.
Taken on paths at a scantily clad beach, this could be quite an advantage.
:)
Why is anyone arguing about this..both models are EV and available..
No one is forced to buy either one.
Isn't this kind of like a Ford v Chevy argument?
focus that enerfgy and run around and find people using piston powered
scooters and get them to convert.
One advantage is the high price.. it means you wont have a bunch of kids
terrorizing the sidewalks on them
and getting laws to ban them from the sidewalks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roderick Wilde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
>
>
> Roy, since it is called a HT (human transport) and supposedly is for
> getting a person from one place to another, then does it have any
> advantages over and above a traditional board scooter that has more
> speed, more range, better brakes, and which two people can take up
> the same width on a sidewalk as one Segway. Don't give me that self
> balancing act. I have many friends who have that device installed in
> their middle ear and it works just fine. Yes, many of my friends do
> walk upright with no problem whatsoever. I'm just not buying it in
> either respect. You know me personally and how much I detest BS.
>
> Roderick
>
>
>
> >Hello All
> >
> >Thanks to an early adopter here in Seattle who really loves his
> >machine and wants to show it to everyone, I had the opportunity to
> >spend some time aboard and get an idea of what it was like.
> >
> >Phillip Torrone brought his Segway HT to our SEVA meeting Tuesday
> >night and it was a great hit, this guy makes a great presentation!
> >
> >See Phillip's website: http://www.bookofseg.com
> >
> >There wasn't enough time at the meeting to give all the folks a
> >chance to try it though Steve Lough did get aboard for a few minutes.
> >
> >Phillip was interested in info to fend off the "aren't you just
> >moving the pollution around?" people.
> >
> >I provided him the links to Chip Gribben's great paper:
> >
> >Debunking the Myths of EVs and Smokestacks...
> >
> >PDF version:
> >http://www.evadc.org/pwrplnt.pdf
> >
> >HTML version:
> >http://www.princeton.edu/~bcjones/transportation/ev/myths.html
> >
> >Phillip offered me a chance to try the Segway HT on Saturday at Gas
> >Works Park here in Seattle. My friend Mark with Electric Scooter
> >Magazine was hangin' around and I took him along.
> >
> >It was a beautiful day in Seattle, (sunny, no rain!).
> >We ended up spending about two hours in the main parking lot at the
> >park trying out the HT and answering a never-ending flow of people
> >who approached us showing much interest in the machine. (and taking
> >pictures for Electric Scooter Magazine,
> >http://www.electricscootermag.com :^) Almost every car that came
> >through stopped and rubbernecked for a few minutes. This thing
> >really draws a crowd!
> >
> >Two words, "magic carpet", this seems to be most folks take on it.
> >After about 1 minute aboard, I was balancing with no
> problem, super easy!
> >Taking Phillip's advice to just look straight ahead and not look
> >down made it real simple.
> >Within a couple of minutes, I could do hard accelerations, braking,
> >and turning. (Machine was set in the "demo" mode)
> >It does actually feel like it is anticipating your next move.
> >An absolutely incredible piece of technology!
> >
> >Incredible regen! The regen is the brakes. (I am not sure how any
> >excess energy may be handled) Phillip takes it up and over Queen
> >Anne hill here every day (an 18% grade) and recovers most of his
> >energy expended going up while descending the other side.
> >
> >Super quality and excellent execution of design is evident
> >everywhere you look.
> >
> >Like everyone else who tries it..... Now I want one!
> >
> >By the end of March, many more Segways will be delivered
> around the country.
> >
> >I saw 5 on Ebay last night. These sellers are, of course, looking
> >for folks to pay a premium to be the first on their block to have
> >one.
> >
> >Phillip and his wife have sold one of their cars and are saving
> >about $600.00 a month in car expenses.
> >
> >Lots of good info and videos at:
> >http://www.bookofseg.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
> >
> >My Electric Vehicle Pages:
> >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
> >
> >Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
> >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ahh.. but it is ever so roomy in the cabin for the front occupants.
That motor is a very large motor size wise, espesially will all the
plumbing. ..and heavy.
with the ind rear.. you might even be able to just bolt the motor to the
rear axle.
although you would be starting in 4th basically..
but you would be able to use that huge long engine bay for a lot of
batteries.. and with the tranny gone.. even more batteries.
perhaps if , inline, you had motor.. and a planetary reduction gear then
into the rear ..differential
all very compact.
much wider than a 280, i think. but then.. that's partially why it's
heavier.
its also not 23 years old.
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> From: David Dymaxion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Electric Supra?
>
>
> Supra is one of the heaviest cars for that size, 3500 lbs. Go to a
> Porsche 944 or 911, early 280Z, Miata, early RX7, and you'll save
> 1000 lbs.
>
> --- Richard Bebbington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > A friend of mine is selling his 1990 Toyota Supra
> > cheap, supposedly because he needs the room for his
> > other toy, a vicious snarling Nissan Pulsar.
> > Personally I think he's crazy to be selling it, but
> > he is, and here's where my evil mind starts plotting....
> >
> > This car has mint condition bodywork, but has overheating
> > problems. It can idle all day in the driveway, but as soon as
> > it gets driven, it overheats. The car has suffered from the
> > dreaded head-gasket failure, and that has been repaired,
> > ( very expensive! :-O ) but still has problems.
> >
> > I'm starting to wonder about converting it -
> > - using something like twin 8 or 9 inch motors,
> > 24 odd Optimas and a Zilla.... this way, there would
> > still be 300 HP of fun available, just electric fun
> > rather than noisy smelly ICE fun!
> >
> > The car's rear-wheel drive, with automatic box,
> > and has acres of room under the hood. So much
> > of the conversion would be pretty standard stuff,
> > apart from the auto box ( remove the torque converter? )
> >
> > Is this even a remotely sensible idea? Or is it
> > just plain evil? ;-)
> >
> > If I did do this, it'd make a great commuting car,
> > and would probably last a lot longer than an electric
> > Mini ( rust-wise )...
>
>
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>
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I bought an emi meter "TriField" and found that in my EV that I am 500 times
the maximum allowable emi range. I've been driving EV's for 30 years and it
hasn't effected me a bit, although my wife might disagree.
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: emi affetcs brains
>
> >voltages beyond a certain value are suppose to be responsible for causing
> >some disorders related to the brains as the electromagnetic induction
> >affects the brains.
> >does anyone have more info on this?
> >does anyone know the name of this kind of pollution?
>
> EMF is more associated with AC devices than the kinds of DC systems used
in
> most conversions.
> We have had measurements taken inside our EV conversions while driving
have
> found insignificant EMF readings. The only significant amounts of EMF
were
> within three feet of the charger (which has AC input) during
> charging. However, this usually happens in the garage or driveway at
> night, nowhere near any people.
>
>
> Shari Prange
> Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone
831-429-1989
> http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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I don't know of any scates that banged anyone 12 times..etc
This same thing can happen if somone is jogging.. or running.. you can
flatten someone out.
Do runners run around withough paying attention? Neither should someone on
one of these.
If anyone is running <scooter or not> at 12 mph one foot from the doors of a
row of shops...then
they need their head examined.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:45 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
>
>
> I think the people have been wow'd by the segway and nothing more.
>
> Try this scenario on and see what you think.
>
> An elderly person is leaving a shop while a segway rider is
> rolling down the
> street window shopping.
>
> Without seeing each other they collide, the elderly person is
> instantly
> knocked to the ground and the rider is flung forward over
> them by momentum
> and gravity.
>
> The scooter, not knowing any better, tries to correct the
> situation and get
> itself vertical and so starts accelerating forward to try and
> get itself
> upright, but of course there is someone in the way so it cant.
>
> It reaction time is quick so even in the few short moments
> the rider is
> falling it has kicked the person on the ground a dozen times
> or more at full
> throttle.
>
> No matter now nifty it may seem, the very first time this
> happens and you
> know from scooter laws and skate laws that it will, because
> they were put in
> place to prevent exactly this from happening, the local
> authorities will
> wake up and see it for the menace it can be and it will be banned.
>
>
>
> Garry Stanley
>
> Cable.net.nz
>
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Yea, I got a Tilley feeling when I saw it.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric
car)
> Standard Trojans !!!!!
> Why didn't it have Bob's Tripolar Lead Cobalt Batteries ????????????
>
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:59:24 -0500 "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > I was in Fort Lauderdale at Robert Aronson's place one day while at
> > the EV
> > convention in December and rode in the Silver Volt when it cameback
> > from
> > making the movie. It was a buick modified with an auto tranny and
> > standard
> > Trojans with about 30 miles standard range for this heavy vehicle,
> > not the
> > 240 miles range claimed.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:51 AM
> > Subject: EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful
> > electric car)
> >
> >
> > > EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric car)
> > > [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> > informational
> > > purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> > > --- {EVangel}
> > >
> >
> http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/reviews/cl-et-thomas14mar14,0,6605423.
> sto
> > ry?coll=cl-home-more-channels
> > > March 14, 2003 MOVIE REVIEW 'Cody Banks' has access to gadgets
> > >
> > > * Displaying plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may
> > be
> > > targeted at teens, but even their grandparents might consider it
> > > fun. 'Cody Banks' 'Cody Banks' (Diyah Pera) By Kevin Thomas,
> > Times
> > > Staff Writer
> > >
> > > Don't mess with Cody Banks, who combines the karate skills of
> > Jackie
> > > Chan with enough gadgetry and stunts for three James Bond movies.
> > He
> > > may sound like Superman, but there's a catch: He's a nice, normal,
> > > middle-class Seattle high school kid who's about 16 but looks
> > > younger.
> > >
> > > Back when he was a mere 13, Cody answered an ad in a magazine
> > > devoted to spies and wound up at a summer camp run by the CIA as
> > > part of its agent development plan. The notion that the CIA would
> > be
> > > recruiting teenagers -- and without their parents' knowledge -- is
> > > pretty creepy, but then can anything really be called incredible
> > in
> > > today's world?
> > >
> > > In any case, the idea of a teenage 007 is the starting point for
> > > "Agent Cody Banks," a clever and lively action-adventure with a
> > warm
> > > sense of humor and smart dialogue that allows for an affectionate
> > > and fleet-footed satire of the classic elements of the Bond
> > > franchise. It works remarkably well considering this is not
> > entirely
> > > new territory, thanks to Robert Rodriguez's "Spy Kids" movies.
> > >
> > > In a bravura opening sequence, the filmmakers shrewdly establish
> > > that Frankie Muniz's Cody may be a normal guy but is far from
> > > ordinary when he exhibits the derring-do of an old-time
> > cliffhanging
> > > serial in rescuing an infant from a car running out of control
> > down
> > > a steep midtown Seattle street. Not surprisingly, Cody is nowhere
> > to
> > > be found when the frantic mother is eager to thank her child's
> > > savior.
> > >
> > > Presently, Ronica (Angie Harmon), Cody's tough, statuesque
> > > "handler," has an assignment for him: He's got to woo the pretty
> > > daughter (Hilary Duff) of a scientist (Martin Donovan), a
> > > world-renowned nanotechnologist, which means that he is developing
> > > microscopic robots with the power to destroy the world. Donovan's
> > > Dr. Connors is backed by ERIS, a shadowy research enterprise with
> > a
> > > truly amazing laboratory hidden in the Cascade mountains and run
> > by
> > > the decidedly sinister Brinkman (Ian McShane) and his thuggish
> > > henchman Molay (Arnold Vosloo), blind in his right eye and scarred
> > > across his neck. Donovan's Dr. Connors has to be pretty obtuse
> > ever
> > > to do business with such blatantly bad guys.
> > >
> > > There is a hitch in the CIA's plan to get to Connors through his
> > > daughter: Cody may be otherwise fearless, but when it comes to
> > girls
> > > he's hopelessly tongue-tied. To save the world, Cody first has to
> > > overcome his shyness and develop self-confidence with the opposite
> > > sex.
> > >
> > > As for all those gadgets at Cody and Ronica's disposal, they
> > include
> > > Snow Hawks, which look to be jet-propelled skis, the Solotrek XFV
> > > (Exoskeletal Flying Vehicle) and the Silver Volt, Cody's
> > > super-powerful electric car.
> > > [ http://www.electricauto.com/SV_Movie/images/index.3.jpg ]
> > >
> > > Amazingly, these vehicles actually exist. As one would expect of a
> > > secret agent worth his salt, Cody carries magnetic X-ray
> > sunglasses
> > > (which enable him to see through girls' clothes right to their
> > > Victoria's Secrets), wears suction-cup shoes so he can walk on
> > > ceilings, and has a wristwatch equipped with stun rays.
> > >
> > > The film is studded with energetic action sequences in which all
> > > these items and more are put to use, both in everyday locales, and
> > > in dramatic, large-scale laboratories and on snowy mountain
> > slopes.
> > >
> > > Working with a script by many hands, director Harald Zwart imposes
> > > an easy, flowing style and a unified vision on the material, which
> > > strikes a smooth balance between Cody's routine family life and
> > his
> > > fantastic exploits, presented with just the right degree of
> > > tongue-in-cheekery. Similarly, Harmon's adamantine Ronica, Keith
> > > David's swaggering CIA director, and McShane and Vosloo's villains
> > > are not to be taken too seriously.
> > >
> > > Yet Duff's lovely, spontaneous Natalie Connors and especially
> > Muniz
> > > remain down-to-earth, likable teens. The film ultimately rests on
> > > the resilient shoulders of Muniz. Well-designed and displaying
> > > plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may be targeted at
> > > teens, but even their grandparents might consider it fun.
> > >
> > > 'Agent Cody Banks'
> > > MPAA Rating: PG, for action violence, mild language and some
> > sexual
> > > content.
> > >
> > > Times guidelines: Action emphasizes spectacle more than violence.
> > > Language and sexual allusions are mild.
> > > Frankie Muniz...Cody Banks
> > > Hilary Duff...Natalie Connors
> > > Angie Harmon...Ronica Miles
> > > Keith David...CIA Director
> > > Ian McShane...Brinkman
> > > An MGM presentation of a Splendid Pictures/Maverick Films/Dylan
> > > Sellers production. Director Harald Zwart. Producers David C.
> > > Glasser, Andreas Klein, Guy Oseary, Dylan Sellers, David Nicksay.
> > > Executive producers Mark Morgan, Jason Alexander, Jennifer
> > > Birchfield-Eick, Kerry David, Danny Gold, Michael Jackman,
> > Madonna,
> > > Bob Yari. Screenplay Ashley Edward Miller & Zack Stentz and Scott
> > > Alexander & Larry Karaszewski; from a story by Jeffrey Jurgensen.
> > > Cinematographer Denis Crossan. Editor Jim Miller. Music John
> > Powell.
> > > Stunt coordinator Scott Ateah. Visual effects supervisor Raymond
> > > McIntyre Jr. Costumes Suzanne McCabe. Production designer Rusty
> > > Smith. Art director Kelvin Humenny. Set decorator Lesley Beale.
> > > In general release.
> > > -
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Hi, I am new to this list and new to EV research. Bruce posted recently
about bogus sites. I have seen many of them. Many of them either are or
appear to be from our government. Too many of them are very out of date.
I know that this question has probably been asked but why has CARB droped
its ZEV mandates? I've asked them but they have not responded.
As I was looking for different EV's for sale I noticed that all of the major
and some minor auto makers have canned the EV so fast you can hear the hubs
spinning.
That's it for now.
Carmen still looking for EV's in Sacramento
Say, anyone have thoughts on t the small but may have potential Reva. I
hear they are working on a LHD for us here in the states. Only $6000
Also the Think???
Part of Bruces post:
Anyone trying to buy a new EV will find this site and get
frustrated. Where's the EVs!?!
Toyota released their www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/prius/
site to the search engines so that it can be found when
looking for Electric Vehicle. hybrids are not EVs.
And don't you love the domain squatters that hold domain
names for ransom? www.myev.info
More sites to fall into can be seen at:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22electric+vehicle%22+information
If you know of some, please POST the urls so we can see
them.
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Rod,
Thanks. I will try to get a little more info on the exact charger he has.
Do you have the schematic in electronic form?
Considering the age of the van the charger appears pretty state of the art.
Mike
> I have schematics of the TEVan charger without PFC control.
> I'm not sure which version you have, but I can forward the
> schematics of the non PFC version.
> I wrote the software for the TEVan, I'm not sure what the G20
> has for software however.
> The Martin Marietta charger was designed for the TEVan although
> I don't know if the earlier version has the same hardware.
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Mike Pengelly
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Martin Marietta Charger
>
>
> One of the local EVers in the Phoenix area has a G20 van with a Martin
> Marietta charger. Unfortunately, he smoked it pretty bad. The charger
has
> a control board which is all surface mount driving what appears to be an
IR
> IGBT module. Does anyone have any info on this charger. Are there
> schematics or parts available?
>
> Mike Pengelly
> Phoenix, AZ
> '90 Mustang EV
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi-
It hasn't Effected me at all.
Father Time
John Wayland wrote:
> Hello to All,
>
> veena wrote:
>
> > hi all
> >
> > voltages beyond a certain value are suppose to be responsible for causing
> > some disorders related to the brains as the electromagnetic induction
> > affects the brains.
> >
>
> Is that what's wrong with me? Every since I ran at 408V my bwain hasm'tt werked kwyte
> wite.....
>
> See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Hi David
--- "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe its the same logic that people use to get a two wheel drive
> SUV when they could just get a cheaper minivan..
> They don't want the stigma associated with 'soccer moms'.. better
> to have a 'tough man' SUV
I am sure you are right
> ..maybe people don't want to ride a scooter because they associate
> that with 10 year old.
Well heck, at least this little scoot makes me *feel* 10yrs younger!
:)
> Although i know it is difficult for some people to stand with one
> foot in front of the other without adjusting.
True. As a PEV for "everyman" it's clearly deficient. I'm working on
a client, trying to get him to work a hybrid (pedal/electric) Twike
into his promo budget. There are none in Toronto yet, and I would like
to see him pull up in a Twike in corporate colours in the downtown
yuppie shopping district. I think he would get a lot of attention from
folks and media. (and save on fitness club dues <wink>
Lock
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TorontoEVA/
ps... still don't know if the Segway comes with a bell! <hehe>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lock Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:19 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
> >
> >
> > Hello Roy, and List
> >
> > A few weeks ago I went purchased an electric scooter for $700
> Canadian
> > Pesos, including a motor upgrade. The scoot doesn't self-balance,
> or
> > go backwards, but otherwise it seems to have some things on
> > common with
> > the Segway... two wheels, similar range and speeds. It's a little
> > lighter than the Segway. It has great brakes. Yet the Segway looks
> to
> > be about ten times the cost? Does the Segway have a bell?
> >
> > Lock
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TorontoEVA/
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QCYCTender/
> >
>
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