EV Digest 2873
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: 50mpg from Lotus Elise was RE: Li-ion car on eBay: real or vapor?
by "bholmber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Imperialistic measurements
by "The Levine Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) re: Automatic Battery exerciser
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Segway Bush tumble: Got Video?
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Charging at campgrounds
by "Eric Penne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EVLN(Bus Rapid Transit says electric rail is dirty)
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Charging at campgrounds
by "Tom Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by =?iso-8859-1?q?James=20Rice?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Troubleshooting help needed!
by "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Newbie question: waterproofing EVs?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Imperialistic measurements
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: DC controler questions.
by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by "T Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Watthours/Mile (Was: Imperialistic measurements)
by "Tom Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Watthours/Mile (Was: Imperialistic measurements)
by "Mark Villemaire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) motor mounting question (WarP)
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) CalCars Seeks Sponsors for Plug-In Hybrid Prototypes
by Felix Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Power of DC this Sunday June 29
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: CalCars Seeks Sponsors for Plug-In Hybrid Prototypes
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: CalCars Seeks Sponsors for Plug-In Hybrid Prototypes
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hrmm, never heard of that before. But a quick check with
onlineconversion.com verified it. Thanks for the heads up. I wonder how
that difference originated. I guess we should all just go to metric.
Brett
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of James Rice
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 50mpg from Lotus Elise was RE: Li-ion car on eBay: real or
vapor?
Remember that a UK gallon is 4.546 litres, where a US gallon is 3.785 litres
in other words:
50.0 mpg (in the UK) = 41.6 mpg (in the US)
So they're not as good as you might think...
The engine is a very standard Rover K-series - and the Vauxhall/Opel badged
VX220 (same chassis - far better engines) is also a lot cheaper. In the UK
VX220
turbos are nearly down to �20 000 new (about $32 000 (US) at the moment)
The extruded aluminium chassis are lovely - it's a pity they never built the
M250 - but for an EV from scratch - a lot more can be done :^D
James
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From: "bholmber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: 50mpg from Lotus Elise was RE: Li-ion car on eBay: real or vapor?
Thanks for the link to the Lotus page...those are really nice vehicles.
Their performance is incredible, and perhaps that overshadows the fact that
they get over 50mpg on the highway. Old MGs and sprites were well known for
getting great gas mileage back in the late sixties, without compromising too
much on performance.
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everything from my ISP :^S />
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<<Hrmm, never heard of that before. But a quick check with
onlineconversion.com verified it. Thanks for the heads up. I wonder how
that difference originated. I guess we should all just go to metric.>>
Yea, I remember visiting Canada and hearing someone calculate mileage as
kilometers per Imperial quart! I assume all the pumps now dole out liters
only.
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--- The Levine Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <<Hrmm, never heard of that before. But a quick check with
> onlineconversion.com verified it. Thanks for the heads up.
> I wonder how that difference originated.
> I guess we should all just go to metric.>>
>
> Yea, I remember visiting Canada and hearing someone calculate
> mileage as kilometers per Imperial quart!
> I assume all the pumps now dole out liters only.
Yes, liters of course! ... Including 1/2 a liter, 1/4 liter, etc
<grin>
OK, so I haven't used a gas pump in 20 years maybe... Now that I'm
"driving" again (electric scoot) I've been waving at the gas stations
as I go by. Kinda fun... Yesterday I got the "bright" idea I could
scoot right through the gas stations/pumps.
Won't be doing any more of that. What a stink. It's so nice to be
plugging into 120v EVerywhere rather than going to somewhere like a gas
station.
Lock
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Thatnks for the reply and the (as always) helpful input Lee. Have not been
able to find the schematic you uploaded yet, will go back to searching the
archives later. Meanwhile, I took a look at Joe S's batt cycler on the MM
website, looks neat and even like something I could build but while I do
have an old laptop that I could donate to the project I don't have a spare
E-meter and frankly cannot justify the cost of one. I dont totally
understand why the same comp cannot be used for both, but I guess its a
matter of isolation and also someone would have to write the program.
Anyway, so far I think I am going to go down to the local electronics
surplus (Apache Reclamation, highly recommended to anyone near Phx or
visiting Phx, just bring a jug of water and a big floppy hat, and maybe some
SPF 50) and try and find a couple of spst relays, an Ammeter that swings
100-0-100 (hopefully with matching shunt) and a matching Voltmeter. Also, I
have seen some electro mechanical counters/relays down there that you can
dial in a number on and they count down to 0 and then turn something off.
Then all I have to do is figure out how to hack the Rudman regulator to
allow panel adjustment of the setpoints, and how to safely interface it to
drive the relays once I source them and find out what voltage I am going to
use. Then a couple of fuse holders, a pair of momentary contact switches and
a case, and I am in business. BTW, I have some small shunts laying around
that seem to be unmarked. How does one determine their ratings? I assume
that they have to be rated both for the current to be measured and in
milliamps for the meter? Regards, David Chapman.
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He initially forgot to turn it on.
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Segway Bush tumble: Got Video?
> And I thought it was impossible to fall off of one of those thangs.
> Just what the average disabled person needs, all you have to do to save
> yourself from a nasty tumble is make a flying leap.
>
>
> On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 08:37, amadare wrote:
> > Still looking for a video, but here is a good still of it.
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/13/bush.weekend.ap/
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:07 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Segway Bush tumble: Got Video?
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there video of the Bush tumble on the Segway? Lawrence
> > > Rhodes.......
> > >
> > >
> >
> --
> EVDL
>
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With high power chargers or multiple high power chargers in Bruce's case,
it only takes an hour or two to charge back up. Go for a walk. Take a
nap, Read a book.
We could ask Rich and Joe to build an alarm clock into the chargers to
wake you from your nap. :)
Eric
> At 09:31 PM 06/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>You missed the part where you don't stay at the campgrounds for camping
>> with an RV or anything. You just use the campground as a charging
>> station since you know they have higher power electrical outlets
>> available right next to where you park the car. Campgrounds are
>> abundant near highways and are easy to find.
>
> OK, that makes sense - but then where do you sleep? You charge for
> hours, presumably at night, and you have no car to take you to a motel.
> A tent and sleeping bag? Or do we love our EV's so much we will sleep
> in them? By the light of the charge controller... :)
>
> brad
>
>
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I live in a highrise condo and paid for installation of a 50 amp
outlet with a meter in the underground parking garage. Maybe not
applicable to you, if you rent. Also, it was pretty expensive.
Mike Hoskinson
Brad Waddell wrote:
At 01:18 AM 06/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Chuck Hursch wrote:
> For people living in an apt, it is nearly impossible to own an
> EV, by virtue of the fact that many apt managers make it nearly
> impossible to set up charging.
I live in an apartment and rented an optional garage for my EV - works
great but limits me to 110 for sure.
brad
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> OK, that makes sense - but then where do you sleep? You charge for hours,
> presumably at night, and you have no car to take you to a motel.
> A tent and
> sleeping bag? Or do we love our EV's so much we will sleep in
> them? By the
> light of the charge controller... :)
When I did it, I was only typically charging for about two hours. I got a
snack, walked around the campgrounds and read a book while it charged, then
moved on.
-Tom
Thomas Hudson
http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website
http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More
http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club
http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration
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Most of Europe measures its road sign distances in
kilometres, which is sensible and easy to work with.
�
The UK still measures in miles, which is antiquated
and irritating.
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All of Europe (I'm sure someone can pick out an
exception), including the UK, sells fuel in litres,
which again is sensible (at least as sensible as
selling fossil fuel can be).
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I've grown up working in miles per gallon and spend
most of my journeys dividing the number of miles I
completed on the last tank filled to the brim by the
result of dividing the amount of fuel I've just bought
by 4.546 (I normally guestmate the last .046!)... All
so I can work out how much more I'd rather be driving
an electric car :^)
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which leads me on to a serious note:
How does everyone here measure their performance?
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km per charge?
metres per kWh?
miles per charge?
mm per Joule?��� ;^D
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or my personal favourite:
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light years per googol Joule
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And what sort of performance is everyone here getting?
James
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Hello Mark,
As you can spin the motor up on 12 volts, try connecting it using very thick
wires to a 12 volt battery, put the car in 1st gear and slowly bring up the
clutch pedal, keep the handbrake (emergency brake) on until you feel it
trying to move forward. It may be able to power the car up the driveway into
your garage. This is similar to moving an ICE on the starter motor, I know
the reduction ratio isn't the same nor the torque but you won't have the
compression load of an ICE to overcome.
Sorry if this is too late I have recently changed my subscription e-mail
address.
Regards,
Simon
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From: Mark Dodrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks for all your input. Here are the results of my tests:
>
> 1. I took off the wires on the motor, and there is definitely continuity
> across the motor. I also hooked up a small 12v battery to the motor, and
it
> spun just fine.
>
<Snip>
>
> I'm quite sure the controller is the problem part, but I doubt I can say
how
> bad it is, until I get it out and have someone look at it. Unfortunately,
I
> basically have to remove everything in the front except the motor, which
is
> a multi-hour task, and a very annoying one to do in my driveway (since I
> can't get the car uphill to the garage).
>
> I'll pull it out this week sometime, and see if I can diagnose anything
> further on it before sending it off somewhere.
>
> Again, thanks for all your help on this.
>
> Mark
>
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I'm qualified to speak for Siemens AC system - they are totally water
proof. I wouldn't use a motor submerged in water (like outboard in
a boat) , but if you traverse shallow creeks in heavy rain and
splash water all over under hood, no problem. Same for main
contactors, Bosch throttle pots, everything.
Also, no live voltage terminals are exposed. Usually you can find
power bars sticking out of most motor controllers. Not Siemens.
Victor
Brian Hay wrote:
>
> Can the electronics in EVs be waterproofed? I'm specifically curious about
> say something like the RAV4 EV as vehicles like this would be expected to be
> able to traverse shallow streams etc. If they can be waterproofed does this
> affect the cooling of motors etc?
>
> Regards,
> Brian Hay.
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First, it's Imperial, not Emperialistic (which is misspelled
and really means highly Capitalistic :-)
Usual consensus for EV efficiency is Wh/mile in US,
or Wh/km everywhere else.
For an EV charging mph - miles [you can travel] per hour [of charge]
is my favorite as making sense, but the name may be confusing.
It is not universally adopted.
So "my EV goes 20 mph" really means it can travel
20 miles (at your usual speeds) per 1 hour of charging.
Note, this tells little about charger itself, rather about
particular vehicle setup as depends on everything else in it,
as well as about particular mains capacity).
Victor
James Rice wrote:
>
> Most of Europe measures its road sign distances in
> kilometres, which is sensible and easy to work with.
>
> The UK still measures in miles, which is antiquated
> and irritating.
>
> All of Europe (I'm sure someone can pick out an
> exception), including the UK, sells fuel in litres,
> which again is sensible (at least as sensible as
> selling fossil fuel can be).
>
> I've grown up working in miles per gallon and spend
> most of my journeys dividing the number of miles I
> completed on the last tank filled to the brim by the
> result of dividing the amount of fuel I've just bought
> by 4.546 (I normally guestmate the last .046!)... All
> so I can work out how much more I'd rather be driving
> an electric car :^)
>
>
> which leads me on to a serious note:
>
> How does everyone here measure their performance?
>
> km per charge?
> metres per kWh?
> miles per charge?
> mm per Joule? ;^D
>
> or my personal favourite:
>
> light years per googol Joule
>
> And what sort of performance is everyone here getting?
>
> James
>
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Most people report watt-hours per mile, I guess just because most
on this list are Americans and they still use miles. Not so
bad for me, because my D is so old its odometer reports miles.
I've seen some reports of watt-hours per km. Unless you are a
stickler for efficiency measurements, the watt-hours are what the
emeter reports, rather than what you would measure at the wall
outlet when charging.
OT: is there any country where the Imperial gallon is still
used? Here in Canada, it's liters, but people still ask about
mpg of my Insight.
Mike Hoskinson
James Rice wrote:
Most of Europe measures its road sign distances in
kilometres, which is sensible and easy to work with.
The UK still measures in miles, which is antiquated
and irritating.
All of Europe (I'm sure someone can pick out an
exception), including the UK, sells fuel in litres,
which again is sensible (at least as sensible as
selling fossil fuel can be).
I've grown up working in miles per gallon and spend
most of my journeys dividing the number of miles I
completed on the last tank filled to the brim by the
result of dividing the amount of fuel I've just bought
by 4.546 (I normally guestmate the last .046!)... All
so I can work out how much more I'd rather be driving
an electric car :^)
which leads me on to a serious note:
How does everyone here measure their performance?
km per charge?
metres per kWh?
miles per charge?
mm per Joule? ;^D
or my personal favourite:
light years per googol Joule
And what sort of performance is everyone here getting?
James
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Since you mentioned it... Can you explain what interpoles are?
Mike Hoskinson
Joe Smalley wrote:
Comments inserted...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: DC controler questions.
Kostov are good motors right? Are they better then Advanced DC?
There's nothing "advanced" about Kostov motors, which are made in
Bulgaria. The same is true for Advanced DC -- Tom Edison would have
completely recognized both of them.
Kostov has interpoles to keep the magnetics in line but has smaller brushes.
The Advanced DC has bigger brushes to handle the arcing caused by the
magnetic misalignment at high current.
Operating either within their ratings gives good service.
I don't remember which one had the big fan in it (that was designed for low
RPM use) that turns into a big air brake at high RPMs. If you need or want
to operate the motor at high RPMs, use an external fan to cut your losses.
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Michael Hoskinson wrote:
> OT: is there any country where the Imperial gallon is still
> used?
USA. Didn't you notice?
Victor
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Not quite, Victor;
The Imperial Gallon is actually 1.20095 U.S. Gallons. If we did
use the Imperial gallon then I guess $1.75 per would be even less
expensive.
Stay Charged!
Hump
Man..... is a U.S Kwh the same amount of energy as a EU Kwh?
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From: Humphrey Timothy H Contr AFRL/IFEC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:00:34 -0000
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Victor Tikhonov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:57 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
>
>
>Michael Hoskinson wrote:
>
>> OT: is there any country where the Imperial gallon is still
used?
>
>USA. Didn't you notice?
>
>Victor
>
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> Most people report watt-hours per mile, I guess just because most
> on this list are Americans and they still use miles. Not so
> bad for me, because my D is so old its odometer reports miles.
> I've seen some reports of watt-hours per km. Unless you are a
> stickler for efficiency measurements, the watt-hours are what the
> emeter reports, rather than what you would measure at the wall
> outlet when charging.
Hmm...
According to my records, my out-of-the-wall efficiency is 320 watt-hours per
mile. Anybody else know what their number is for comparison?
-Tom
Thomas Hudson
http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website
http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More
http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club
http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration
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I expected such reply from someone.
Nit picking :-) Eeveryone knows Imperial gallon isn't the same as
US gallon, UK gallon and whatever else gallons creative minds
came up with.
1 US gallon is 0.833 Imperial gallon. Fine.
My obvious point was it's A gallon, not liter most of the world uses
for everything, and - surprize! - has no problems with it even
in household use. Despite die hard arguments that it's not adapted to
a human beings.
Why not call Optimas a dozen volts battery then? We shouldn't
have problems with that...
Don't get me started on this.
Victor
p.s. Die hards - please don't reply, it's really OT.
T Humphrey wrote:
>
> Not quite, Victor;
>
> The Imperial Gallon is actually 1.20095 U.S. Gallons. If we did
> use the Imperial gallon then I guess $1.75 per would be even less
> expensive.
>
> Stay Charged!
> Hump
>
> Man..... is a U.S Kwh the same amount of energy as a EU Kwh?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Humphrey Timothy H Contr AFRL/IFEC
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:00:34 -0000
>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Victor Tikhonov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:57 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: OT Re: Imperialistic measurements
> >
> >
> >Michael Hoskinson wrote:
> >
> >> OT: is there any country where the Imperial gallon is still
> used?
> >
> >USA. Didn't you notice?
> >
> >Victor
> >
>
>
>
>
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Hi All:
According to my records, my out-of-the-wall efficiency for my 92 Solectria
is 259 watt-hours per mile for the first 19157 miles.
Mark
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From: "Tom Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: Watthours/Mile (Was: Imperialistic measurements)
> > Most people report watt-hours per mile, I guess just because most
> > on this list are Americans and they still use miles. Not so
> > bad for me, because my D is so old its odometer reports miles.
> > I've seen some reports of watt-hours per km. Unless you are a
> > stickler for efficiency measurements, the watt-hours are what the
> > emeter reports, rather than what you would measure at the wall
> > outlet when charging.
>
> Hmm...
>
> According to my records, my out-of-the-wall efficiency is 320 watt-hours
per
> mile. Anybody else know what their number is for comparison?
>
> -Tom
>
> Thomas Hudson
> http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website
> http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More
> http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club
> http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration
>
>
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hi all,
I am starting to put together my motor to transmission adapter on my
240Z. I have a WarP 9" motor and as usual, I'm using the original
transmission. I bought a Z car adapter plate from Rod Wilde but it is
drilled for an 8" motor. So, before I go drilling my mounting holes
for the WarP: The WarP has two sets of tapped holes on the motor
face, one in the usual location for a 9" ADC ( 4 small holes at a large
radius), but it also has 4 larger tapped holes at a smaller radius. My
question: should the normal 4 small ones be enough, or should I use
the larger ones? Cheers
Seth
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Dear EV enthusiast
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I then founded, with other entrepreneurs, environmentalists and
technologists, the California Cars Initiative (CalCars), a nonprofit
start-up to introduce "plug-in hybrids".
The first generation of hybrids (Toyota Prius and Honda Civic) are
already quite popular, and most auto makers will build ones like
them. These "conventional" hybrids combine a normal gasoline engine
with a small electric "helper" motor to modestly improve fuel economy
and reduce emissions. Still, they get their power from (mostly
imported) oil.
The next generation of hybrids is waiting in the wings. Plug-in
hybrids use the same technology. But their larger battery storage and
more powerful motors give you the option to run totally on
electricity for local trips, while the gasoline engine gives you
unlimited range. Results: better mileage, lower emissions -- and a
lower total cost of ownership over the vehicle's life than
conventional cars or hybrids.
Major auto makers have NO plans to introduce any new types of
vehicles between conventional hybrids and fuel cell cars. They could
build plug-in hybrids right now. But they won't -- because they say
there's no demand for them. We therefore face a "gap" that by the
most optimistic estimate will last at least 10 years and perhaps as
long as 20.
That's where CALCARS comes in. We can't wait until the auto makers
finally produce the cars we want. Plug-in hybrids don't need a whole
new design -- or fueling infrastructure like fuel cell cars. They can
simply be modified versions of an existing sedan or SUV. CalCars'
technical advisors have already built plug-in hybrid conversions, and
are ready to begin more advanced production.
That's where YOU come in. We're looking for local entrepreneurs
interested in signing up to buy Calcars' plug-in prototypes. We chose
entrepreneurs because they have the vision to see a path to the
future -- and the drive to get there. Several are considering the
idea, and we hope you -- or someone you will tell about CalCars --
will join them.
You can be among the first to own one of these cars. In the next 12-
18 months, we and our integration partners plan to produce a series
of prototypes using a sedan (e.g., VW Jetta) or SUV (e.g., Toyota
RAV4 or Lexus RX330). The conversions will double the fuel economy
and provide a zero-emission electric-only mode, while retaining all
the amenities of these well-engineered vehicles. Your vehicle will be
safe, insurable and run at highway speeds. You'll drive it just like
any other car. If you want, in an "open source" process, you can
report back to our automotive and interface engineers, to help
CalCars improve each successive prototype.
Building a dozen prototypes will cost between $1-$2 million, or about
$150,000 for each "one-off" vehicle. We're looking for a dozen SEAs
who can spend this much (some of it will be tax-deductible.) Mass
produced, the cost will drop to just a few thousand dollars more than
conventional hybrids, much of which will be offset by savings on fuel
and repairs -- and less time spent at the pump.
I'm not asking for your commitment today. Let's start with a
conversation! Initial orders from prototype buyers will help advance
our discussions with funders, partners and customers across
California, and demonstrate demand among individuals and fleets,
setting the stage for our Buyers Club to bring a "buy order" for plug-
ins to a major auto maker.
I look forward to hearing your reactions. Meanwhile, please check out
http://www.calcars.org -- in particular, the About, Kudos, and
Vehicle pages, and links to a recent speech that explains more about
CalCars and our strategy.
We believe there's no more effective way for you to address the
urgent issues of global warming, oil independence and air quality
than to buy a prototype plug-in. With your help, we can get the cars
we really want -- starting here and now in California.
Regards, Felix Kramer
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Felix Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Founder California Cars Initiative
http://www.calcars.org
cell 650.520.5555 voice 650.599.9992
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Hello Drag Racing fans,
The Power of DC Race is coming up this Sunday, June 29!
The race is at Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland starting at 1pm.
Don't miss this exciting event.
So far we're expecting
* Shawn Lawless with his 240 volt Orange Juice dragster
* NetGain's Bad Amplitude 336 volt dragster
* Bob Salem's 240 volt ELECTRK
* Darin Gilbert's 48 volt Pirahna
* The "Sweetheart" 240-Z from Central Shenandoah Valley Regional High School
* Northeastern High School's 156 volt VW Golf
* Shawn's other entry, a 48-volt motorcycle with a side car
* Bryan Murtha's 312 volt Ford Ranger
* Charlie Garlow's 312 volt GM S-10
* SkooterCommuter's 48 volt MoRad 1500
* My 156 volt Ford Escort
* and maybe some surprise entries
WANTED
We are in need of a tow for Chris Zach's Car. Although Tim Humphries really
wants to join us and help out he may have other commitments so if anyone is
interested please let us know. It would be really cool to have Chris' AC
Prizm there to take on one of the AC trucks.
SPONSORS
Sponsoring our event is
*EV Parts
*KTA Services
*Manzanita Micro
*Megawatt Motorworks
*EVA/DC
CONTRIBUTORS
We'd also like to thank the following contributers
*Metric Mind Engineering
*Battery Warehouse
*Vanner Technologies
*Flexcar
*Bad Fish Racing
*Wallace Rumbarger for media
*Greg Crabtree for video
*Gary Sumner for printing our programs
*Greg Porkorny for starting this gig from the beginning
We would also like to thank those on the EVDL who are helping and who plan
to attend this event.
AND MORE . . .
*We will be raffling off an authentic Auranthetic 24 volt mini bike. We
restored it just for this event and it is a blast to ride.
*SkooterCommuter.com will be providing scooters to tool around in the pits.
*Capital Rental in Beltsville, MD has given us a great deal on a rental for
a huge 70 kW tandem axle generator which they will deliver to the race for
us so we are appreciative of their efforts. Sponsored in part by Manzanita
Micro.
*Megawatt Motorworks has provided prizes in the form of some great new
books, courtesy of Dave Stensland.
*Darin Gilbert's Bad Fish Racing is providing T-shirts as door prizes.
*We will have full color 2003 Power of DC T-shirts for sale and our Power of
DC Racing Programs
*Our traditional after race dinner at Ledo's in Hagerstown.
PRIZES
This year we will have cash prizes and trophies for Motorcycles, cars 96
volts and below and cars 97 volts and above. Awards for NEDRA Record
breakers. We will also have a lot of different door prizes.
Visit our website for more information
http://www.powerofdc.com
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC Racing Coordinator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
301-490-0657
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On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 11:43, Felix Kramer wrote:
> Dear EV enthusiast
>
> The non-profit California Cars Initiative is talking with some
> California entrepreneurs who are considering joining CalCars'
> prototype development project. Below, you'll find details of the
> opportunity to buy and test one of about a dozen prototype
> plug-in hybrids. The invitation is also at
> http://www.calcars.org/prototypebuyers.html
>
> We recognize that most EV owners don't have substantial resources.
> But many of you know people who do!
>
> Please forward this email broadly to anyone you think may fit the
> profile of a "Super-Early Adopter
I'm sorry but such blatant advertisement is a direct violation of the list charter.
Regardless of what the product is, this list is NOT for spamming people.
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Felix Kramer wrote:
>
> Dear EV enthusiast
>
> The non-profit California Cars Initiative is talking with some
> California entrepreneurs who are considering joining CalCars'
> prototype development project. Below, you'll find details of the
> opportunity to buy and test one of about a dozen prototype
> plug-in hybrids. The invitation is also at
> http://www.calcars.org/prototypebuyers.html
>
> We recognize that most EV owners don't have substantial resources.
> But many of you know people who do!
>
> Please forward this email broadly to anyone you think may fit the
> profile of a "Super-Early Adopter" -- someone who cares about
> technology, cars and the environment, and who could afford to spend
> far more than anyone would normally pay for a car in order to own one
> of the first driveable prototypes -- and, of course, help bring a new
> vehicle type into existence.
>
> In particular, if you know anyone who has been driving a leased
> GM EV1, Ford Th!nk, or other electric vehicle, and is already or is
> about to become a "stranded EV driver," you could point out to them
> that with poor prospects for new highway-capable EVs, getting a
> plug-in hybrid that is all electric for local trips may be their
> best alternative.
>
> If you have even a casual acquaintance with any high profile EV1
> owners -- Mayor Willie Brown, candidate Gavin Newsom, Commonwealth
> Club's Gloria Duffy, entrepreneurs John Chambers, Ken Adelman, Steve
> Kirsch, Jim Clark, etc.-- don't hesitate to tell them about this
> opportunity! And of course, feel free to pass it on to any high-
> wealth individuals in tech or non-tech businesses, venture capital
> and angel investing.
>
> For people who are seriously considering the opportunity, we'll
> schedule a Q&A session to talk about both technical and strategic
> issues. If enough people are interested, we're available as early as
> THIS FRIDAY in Silicon Valley.
>
> If you're inspired to help spread the word, note that I've
> posted a version of this message to the following mailing lists:
> Yahoo Groups: evworld, electric vehicles, sparrow_ev
> Also: EV1-CLUB, Electric Vehicle Discussion List (sjsu.edu)
> If you're a subscriber to others, feel free to re-post.
>
> (IF YOU FORWARD TO AN INDIVIDUAL YOU COULD DELETE EVERYTHING ABOVE;
> TO A MAILING LIST, YOU COULD INCLUDE THE MESSAGE ABOVE)
>
> You Can Create a "SEA" Change
> Help Develop the Next Generation of Earth-Friendly Cars
>
> Dear "SEA" (Super-Early Adopter)
> (Please pass this on if you're not an "SEA" but you know one)
>
> What if you knew that by buying a new kind of car, you could
> personally hasten oil independence, reduce air pollution, and slow
> global warming? And drive solo in the carpool lane? As a Super-Early
> Adopter, you can play a key role in getting far cleaner, more fuel-
> efficient cars on the road soon.
>
> My name is Felix Kramer. Until 2001, I was an Internet entrepreneur.
> I then founded, with other entrepreneurs, environmentalists and
> technologists, the California Cars Initiative (CalCars), a nonprofit
> start-up to introduce "plug-in hybrids".
>
> The first generation of hybrids (Toyota Prius and Honda Civic) are
> already quite popular, and most auto makers will build ones like
> them. These "conventional" hybrids combine a normal gasoline engine
> with a small electric "helper" motor to modestly improve fuel economy
> and reduce emissions. Still, they get their power from (mostly
> imported) oil.
>
> The next generation of hybrids is waiting in the wings. Plug-in
> hybrids use the same technology. But their larger battery storage and
> more powerful motors give you the option to run totally on
> electricity for local trips, while the gasoline engine gives you
> unlimited range. Results: better mileage, lower emissions -- and a
> lower total cost of ownership over the vehicle's life than
> conventional cars or hybrids.
>
> Major auto makers have NO plans to introduce any new types of
> vehicles between conventional hybrids and fuel cell cars. They could
> build plug-in hybrids right now. But they won't -- because they say
> there's no demand for them. We therefore face a "gap" that by the
> most optimistic estimate will last at least 10 years and perhaps as
> long as 20.
>
> That's where CALCARS comes in. We can't wait until the auto makers
> finally produce the cars we want. Plug-in hybrids don't need a whole
> new design -- or fueling infrastructure like fuel cell cars. They can
> simply be modified versions of an existing sedan or SUV. CalCars'
> technical advisors have already built plug-in hybrid conversions, and
> are ready to begin more advanced production.
>
> That's where YOU come in. We're looking for local entrepreneurs
> interested in signing up to buy Calcars' plug-in prototypes. We chose
> entrepreneurs because they have the vision to see a path to the
> future -- and the drive to get there. Several are considering the
> idea, and we hope you -- or someone you will tell about CalCars --
> will join them.
>
> You can be among the first to own one of these cars. In the next 12-
> 18 months, we and our integration partners plan to produce a series
> of prototypes using a sedan (e.g., VW Jetta) or SUV (e.g., Toyota
> RAV4 or Lexus RX330). The conversions will double the fuel economy
> and provide a zero-emission electric-only mode, while retaining all
> the amenities of these well-engineered vehicles. Your vehicle will be
> safe, insurable and run at highway speeds. You'll drive it just like
> any other car. If you want, in an "open source" process, you can
> report back to our automotive and interface engineers, to help
> CalCars improve each successive prototype.
>
> Building a dozen prototypes will cost between $1-$2 million, or about
> $150,000 for each "one-off" vehicle. We're looking for a dozen SEAs
> who can spend this much (some of it will be tax-deductible.) Mass
> produced, the cost will drop to just a few thousand dollars more than
> conventional hybrids, much of which will be offset by savings on fuel
> and repairs -- and less time spent at the pump.
>
> I'm not asking for your commitment today. Let's start with a
> conversation! Initial orders from prototype buyers will help advance
> our discussions with funders, partners and customers across
> California, and demonstrate demand among individuals and fleets,
> setting the stage for our Buyers Club to bring a "buy order" for plug-
> ins to a major auto maker.
>
> I look forward to hearing your reactions. Meanwhile, please check out
> http://www.calcars.org -- in particular, the About, Kudos, and
> Vehicle pages, and links to a recent speech that explains more about
> CalCars and our strategy.
>
> We believe there's no more effective way for you to address the
> urgent issues of global warming, oil independence and air quality
> than to buy a prototype plug-in. With your help, we can get the cars
> we really want -- starting here and now in California.
>
> Regards, Felix Kramer
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Felix Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Founder California Cars Initiative
> http://www.calcars.org
> cell 650.520.5555 voice 650.599.9992
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
I sell Power factor corrected Chargers for Evs. Want one???
I have 2 street machine EVs. One that has world records in the NEDRA
races.
I could build a fleet of Evs for 1 to 2 Mill, not a Dozzen. 150K is
rediculas for a Ev of any type.
This sounds like a internet Scam. Or else you folks have not realized
that the fat days of the late 90s are long past.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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