EV Digest 3372
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Evercel is no more!
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: AC/DC hybrid Motor
by "BORTEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Buyers placing deposits for Lexus RX400 H4 hybrids
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) LeCar wheel spinning on jacks (was: RE: Transmission efficiency)
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: NiMH charge monitor
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) How do I get this email off the list and put it on my other email address? unsub
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) RE: NiMH charge monitor
by "Andre Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Buyers placing deposits for Lexus RX400 H4 hybrids
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: protection against dragging the cord down the road
by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: protection against dragging the cord down the road
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) polypropylene welder Co-op
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: polypropylene welder Co-op
by Kevin Coughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: AC/DC hybrid Motor
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Evercel is !!
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: AC/DC hybrid Motor
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: LeCar wheel spinning on jacks (was: RE: Transmission efficiency)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Evercel is no more!
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Hi frequency battery :-)
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Hi frequency battery :-)
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: How do I get this email off the list and put it on my other email address?
unsub
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Screaming Brushes
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) If the Tango was closer to the ground.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) 50 mph Souped-Up Golf Cars :: NYTime
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: If the Tango was closer to the ground.
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Evercel is !!
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: EVLN(EDTA EV/hybrid/fcv Conf&Expo 9/21-23/04 Orlando, FL $$$) Going?
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) this is a test
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
28) Re: polypropylene welder Co-op
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: polypropylene welder Co-op
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Evercel is still in business.
Also, as we noted in an earlier thread, Evercel had announced their intent
to "delist" their stock from Nasdaq, converting to a privately held stock
company. That sent their stock prices plummeting from just under $1/share
to now between 50-60cents/share.
It's interesting to Google "delist" "stock" and see the other, more
prominent, companies which have in the last several months decided to do the
exact same thing, with virtually verbatim press release wordings about the
delisting allowing them to be more flexible and it being in the best
interest of their stock holders. So far it sucks.
Begrudgingly holding 1500shares-
-Myles Twete
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I haven't seen a welder setup like this, but the 'AC' portion with slip
rings sounds a bit like a rotating exciter.
Dan
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From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: AC/DC hybrid Motor
> When last week I was mentioning that I had seen a welder armature with
both
> AC and DC windings but that I had already scrapped out the particular
genset
> in question and didn't expect to ever see another. Well this weekend
> lightning struck, I picked up another identical and complete unit that the
> owner said had had a bad ICE but was in otherwise good working condition.
> Now the wound portion with the comm I understand how to use it as a DC
> motor. But I am a little confused about the AC portion. It looks like an
> induction motor on the armature portion and it has a pair of beefy
> sliprings. How does one "motor" and control the AC portion? Do you put AC
to
> the sliprings and vary the DC field current? Or do you run the field on AC
> as well? The field case has approx 6 # 2 wires coming out of the case. I
> would really appreciate any input on this project as if I build an
endplate
> with output brg. this looks like a good motor to use on a VW or other
> lightweight vehicle and might shed some real world data on the AC/DC
hybrid
> topic. David Chapman.
>
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[I called Lexus of Stevens Creek 888.755.3987 and talked to
Chris Kassem 408-315-6528. He said at their dealership,
about 20 people have placed their deposit for a Lexus
RX400 H4 hybrid.
After talking to him, it sounds like today's hybrid buyers
will not have the hassles of the 90's the public had trying
to get an Electric Vehicle.]
-[edited]
From: "Kassem, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Information you requested "Lexus H4 Hybird"
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:18:53 -0800
[...] please find preliminary info. regarding the H4 Hybrid.
I will keep you posted with any info. I might get.
Regards,
Chris Kassem
Lexus Of Stevens Creek
408 315 6528
Lexus Introduces RX 400h, World's First Luxury Hybrid SUV
January 6, 2004 - Detroit, MI - Lexus introduced what will be
the world's first luxury gas-electric hybrid SUV today at a
press conference at the North American International Auto Show
[ http://naias.com ]. The RX 400h will be powered by a V6 Hybrid
Synergy Drive system that combines sub-eight second
zero-to-sixty
acceleration with fuel-efficiency equivalent to the current
average for a four-cylinder compact sedan. The RX 400h will
also be rated Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV)
[ http://arb.ca.gov/regact/levii01/fro.doc ], one of the most
stringent emissions rating in the industry.
"The new RX 400h re-defines the midsize luxury SUV market while
raising awareness and acceptance of hybrid gas-electric vehicles
among luxury car and SUV buyers," said Denny Clements, Lexus
group vice president and general manager. "This is truly a
breakthrough in terms of hybrid gas-electric power trains
because, for the first time, it adds a new performance dimension
to the traditional hybrid advantages of high mileage and low
emissions."
Lexus created the car-based, luxury SUV segment with the launch
of the innovative RX 300 more than five years ago. For 2004,
Lexus made significant enhancements to the luxury content,
performance and safety features with the introduction of the
RX 330, making this vehicle the perfect match for the new
V6 hybrid system.
The new RX 400h will become the premium model in the RX series,
offering smoother and quieter operation, increased performance,
significantly better fuel economy and a host of high technology,
safety and comfort features.
Vehicle Dynamic Management
The RX 400h will introduce another industry first called VDM, or
Vehicle Dynamic Management. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the
system is designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or
slide and then helps correct the situation with a combination of
braking and throttle control. The new VDM system is less
obtrusive than conventional VSC but ultimately more effective.
More Powerful, Advanced Drivetrain
The 400h hybrid powertrain combines a powerful electric motor
with the highly efficient 3.3-liter V6 engine found in the
RX 330 to significantly improve low to mid-speed acceleration
and overall fuel efficiency.
The system is a "full hybrid," meaning that the RX 400h is
capable of operating in separate gas or electric modes, as
well as a mode that combines power from both.
The RX 400h will develop a peak system output of approximately
270 horsepower and deliver combined fuel economy significantly
better than the current average compact sedan rating of 27.6
miles-per-gallon.
Zero-to-sixty acceleration will also improve over the current
RX 330's sub-8 second time. The RX 400h with optional
all-wheel-drive, which features a rear-drive electric motor,
will accelerate quicker yet.
The RX 400h uses a regenerative braking system to further boost
system efficiency. When the vehicle is coasting or the brakes
are applied, the electric motor functions as a generator,
capturing kinetic energy that would normally be lost as heat
through the brakes and converting it into useable electricity
to recharge the batteries.
One of the most remarkable features of the RX 400h is how
similar this SUV is to its cousin, the RX 330. The
computer-controlled powertrain seamlessly blends power from
the V6 gasoline engine, the electric drive motor and the
generator. The driver does not feel the vehicle changing
operational modes.
In fact, the only give-a-way is the absence of the traditional
tachometer. In its place, the RX 400h has an illuminated power
meter that displays the level of power generated by the
gas-electric hybrid powertrain. The driver will also be able
to monitor the gas-electric power distribution on the available
seven-inch touch panel display screen that comes with the
navigation system.
Luxury and Convenience Features
Lexus craftsmanship and attention to even the smallest details
continue with the RX 400h. Nearly every feature available in
the RX 330 is found in the RX 400h, with the exception of an
exclusive RX 400h use of brushed aluminum accents inside that
convey a high-tech look and feel to match its capabilities.
The three-spoke steering wheel features easy-to-use controls
for the audio system as well as the hybrid system's on-board
computer monitor located in the center instrument panel.
"We believe the RX 400h will exceed the expectations of
luxury vehicle buyers and establish a premium market for
performance-oriented, fuel-efficient gas-electric hybrids,"
said Clements.
Preliminary Specifications
Powertrain: Engine - 3.3 liter V6
Electric motor(s) - Permanent magnet
Estimated total horsepower - 270
Expected EPA emissions rating
- Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV)
Transmission
- Electronically-controlled Continuously Variable Transmission
(ECVT)
Wheelbase: 106.9 in.
Length: 186.6 in.
Width: 72.6 in.
Height: 66.1 in.
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http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/lexus_hybrid/message/17
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:49 pm
Subject: New RX400 H4 order
I just put down my $500 for a new
RX400 H4 Hybrid here in Northern California (Lexus of Stevens
Creek). The sales person (Chris Kassem) told me I am #4 in the
queue. He promised me to keep me up to date, and estimated a
delivery end of the year or beginning 05. Currently I have a 04
Prius (5000 miles), and love it! I am most interested in the
technical details of the car.
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Lee Hart wrote:
> For
> example, my LeCar draws about 10 amps x 132vdc = 1320 watts
> from the pack with the wheels spinning in the air, ....
Hi Lee,
I forget if it was in my Renault Le Car owners manual or the Haynes shop
manual, but one of them advises not to power the wheels while the car is
up on jacks. The CV joints don't like it. I know this is not a problem
with most cars, but most cars aren't French. ;^) I believe it has to do
with the unusually long suspension travel putting the CV joints at a
severe angle when up on stands.
Chris
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Dermot Dobson wrote:
Use a shunt, or maybe just tap at two points along an existing wire in
the wiring harness between motor and battery. This will give you
something like 0-100 mv for a 0-20amp current. Use the V/F chip to
..
I was rather hoping that there was a single chip system, or at least
something reasonably integrated so as to make it small enough.
There is, amp-hour counter made by BRUSA. Does just that.
One board converts current to pulse sequences, and the counter
integrates them over time giving Ah result. Of course
counts up and down, and does lots of other things along.
It's technical, but welcome to consider this info as a plug.
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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How about Edison's electrolytic meter. Just two zinc plates in a zinc
sulphate solution. Zinc gets plated from one plate to the other at a rate
depending on current magnitude and direction.
Only downside is you read it by weighing the plates and noting the changes.
Andre' B.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lee Hart
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NiMH charge monitor
<< SNIP >>
An aside; the part you really want is a thermometer-like device called
an "Indachron Coulometer". This is a glass tube with a wire coming out
at each end. The tube is 90% filled with mercury, some at each end. The
space between the mercury is filled with a drop of nitric acid.
It works like a tiny battery with both plates made of the same material
(mercury), so there is nominally zero volts across it. You wire it
across a shunt resistor. Positive current plates mercury off one end and
onto the other, so the open space between them moves to one end.
Likewise, negative current plates mercury off the other end and back to
the first. You position it with a white or reflective background behind
it, and read it by the position of the clear space.
Due to the physics of the device, they are quite accurate. Also, not
made any more (mercury and nitric acid? Horrors! :-)
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Buyers placing deposits for Lexus RX400 H4 hybrids
> [I called Lexus of Stevens Creek 888.755.3987 and talked to
> Chris Kassem 408-315-6528. He said at their dealership,
> about 20 people have placed their deposit for a Lexus
> RX400 H4 hybrid.
>
> After talking to him, it sounds like today's hybrid buyers
> will not have the hassles of the 90's the public had trying
> to get an Electric Vehicle.]
>
>
Glad to hear it.
Cliff (who ordered his 2004 Prius on 12/7/03 and is still awaiting delivery.
The 4 to 8 week orginal promise has changed again. Latest guess: Maybe
middle of April.)
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Victor wrote:
There are many useful suggestions and hundreds of ways to make
interlock work. All of those I've seen on EVDL so far, require
extra contacts, reed switches, relays, components which may fail
as well. If not components themselves, then connections to them.
I liked VW solution because it's 100% idiot proof and requires
no extra components at all other than dummy receptacle.
Any method requires some wiring in the vehicle so whatever system is
chosen can block the traction system. Reed switches often have a half
million life cycle reliability (and a sealed immunity to the harsh
auto environment). I think my reed switch will last longer than any
electrical plug. Anyway, its hard in most conversions to get a whole
cord behind an existing ICE fuel filler door.
Neon
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I agree, most of the vehicles do not carry the cord on board.
VW does, and has special compartment for it, which is not a bad
idea at all. No wiring except an ignition inhibit wire to the
controller, needed regardless of what system is used.
As of reliability, a reed switch is an extra component, give
or take. The glass can break (unlikely), the lead break off the
glass (more likely), a wire from the control system
to the switch breaks (most likely). Yes, reed switches themselves
are very reliable. Interfaces to them are not always so.
In case of the reed switch - depends how it's wired,
NO or NC. Worst case - it fails to notify you and you still
drag the cord. Best case - it tells you that the cord is
in while it isn't (say if you lost the little magnet), so you
make a note, and still drive away fine. If you don't carry
the mains cord, reed switch sensor on the receptacle cover
this is one of the best solutions.
In case of VW, if a receptacle fails you can't start the car
even with retracted cord. But you can override it.
The system just makes sure *you* know what it thinks is
going on.
Paul G wrote:
Anyway, its hard in most conversions to get a whole
cord behind an existing ICE fuel filler door.
Neon
What makes you think that the mains receptacle location
for all (most) cars is necessarily behind fuel filler door?
Victor
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Hi All,
I borrowed a poly welder from someone who wishes
to get rid of it. He wants about 140 for it. I'm
thinking SOMEONE on the discussion list should have
one for rental. You pay $140 up front, and get all
but $25 back after the welder comes back in good
condition.
What do you think? Is there an interest out there?
What have you all done? I don't think this is readily
available at the nearest United Rentals, or somesuch.
Peace, out.
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Just looking at Harbor Freight - they have a "plastic welder" which is a dingus
like a cross between a soldering iron and a wire feed welder and a glue gun.
Rods go in the device, air pressure from your compressor push them out (a
regulator on the thing lets you choose a low pressure) and a plug in lets the
thing create the heat.
$30 bucks for the tool, 4 for the pack of rods. Sounds like it may be a much
lighter duty cycle, but might be THE thing to make up some battery box liners
or splash covers for sensitive electronics.
Of course.... if you want your plastic boxes to be structural..... maybe you DO
need the bigger monster *grin*.
--- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I borrowed a poly welder from someone who wishes
> to get rid of it. He wants about 140 for it. I'm
> thinking SOMEONE on the discussion list should have
> one for rental. You pay $140 up front, and get all
> but $25 back after the welder comes back in good
> condition.
> What do you think? Is there an interest out there?
> What have you all done? I don't think this is readily
> available at the nearest United Rentals, or somesuch.
> Peace, out.
>
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David Chapman wrote:
>
> When last week I was mentioning that I had seen a welder armature with both
> AC and DC windings but that I had already scrapped out the particular genset
> in question and didn't expect to ever see another. Well this weekend
> lightning struck, I picked up another identical and complete unit that the
> owner said had had a bad ICE but was in otherwise good working condition.
> Now the wound portion with the comm I understand how to use it as a DC
> motor. But I am a little confused about the AC portion. It looks like an
> induction motor on the armature portion and it has a pair of beefy
> sliprings. How does one "motor" and control the AC portion? Do you put AC to
> the sliprings and vary the DC field current? Or do you run the field on AC
> as well? The field case has approx 6 # 2 wires coming out of the case. I
> would really appreciate any input on this project as if I build an endplate
> with output brg. this looks like a good motor to use on a VW or other
> lightweight vehicle and might shed some real world data on the AC/DC hybrid
> topic. David Chapman.
3 phase on the Stator,, and a shorted rotor is a inductions machine, and
adding resistance to the rotor increases the slip the motor will work
at.
Ie less rpm and more torque. Putting Ac in the Rotor and AC 3phase on
the stator will make the device a syncro motor.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Evercel is still in business.
>
> I just receive my order of M100s last week. They still have inventory in New
> Hampshire warehouse and production is still happening in Asia. For USA
> inquires and orders, check with Bob at www.electricabenergy.com.
>
> BR,
> Ed Thorpe
>
I second that statement!!!
Bob will get you what he can. Hopefully we will get some new MB100s
state side soon.
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Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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I missed the first part of the discussion, but many engine powered welders
I've seen also have a 120 volt AC or DC output to a receptacle (older ones
are 120V DC, newer ones 120V AC). This winding doesn't provide a lot of
power, but does allow you to run a hand tool (drill, grinder, etc.) from the
welder so you don't have to lug around a separate generator. I doubt this
winding would be of any use when using the generator as a motor.
Dave Davidson
Glen Burnie, MD
1993 Dodge TEVan
From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AC/DC hybrid Motor
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:21 -0700
When last week I was mentioning that I had seen a welder armature with both
AC and DC windings but that I had already scrapped out the particular
genset
in question and didn't expect to ever see another. Well this weekend
lightning struck, I picked up another identical and complete unit that the
owner said had had a bad ICE but was in otherwise good working condition.
Now the wound portion with the comm I understand how to use it as a DC
motor. But I am a little confused about the AC portion. It looks like an
induction motor on the armature portion and it has a pair of beefy
sliprings. How does one "motor" and control the AC portion? Do you put AC
to
the sliprings and vary the DC field current? Or do you run the field on AC
as well? The field case has approx 6 # 2 wires coming out of the case. I
would really appreciate any input on this project as if I build an endplate
with output brg. this looks like a good motor to use on a VW or other
lightweight vehicle and might shed some real world data on the AC/DC hybrid
topic. David Chapman.
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Chris Tromley wrote:
> I forget if it was in my Renault LeCar owners manual or the Haynes
> shop manual, but one of them advises not to power the wheels while
> the car is up on jacks. The CV joints don't like it. I know this
> is not a problem with most cars, but most cars aren't French. ;^)
I agree. The wheels droop down at such a steep angle that the transaxle
leaks oil out the side seals! So I don't plan to do this trick any more
than necessary.
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world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
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So Myles, how does one buy or sell shares of a privately held stock? Looks
like something that would affect the liquidity adversely and thats why the
price plummeted. Was there any notice given to you as a regular stockholder
so you could make a decision to hold or sell? Best of luck with that
investment. David Chapman.
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From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Evercel is no more!
> > Evercel is still in business.
>
> Also, as we noted in an earlier thread, Evercel had announced their intent
> to "delist" their stock from Nasdaq, converting to a privately held stock
> company. That sent their stock prices plummeting from just under $1/share
> to now between 50-60cents/share.
> It's interesting to Google "delist" "stock" and see the other, more
> prominent, companies which have in the last several months decided to do
the
> exact same thing, with virtually verbatim press release wordings about the
> delisting allowing them to be more flexible and it being in the best
> interest of their stock holders. So far it sucks.
>
> Begrudgingly holding 1500shares-
>
> -Myles Twete
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You all have seen 12V battery.
How about 900 MHz battery?
http://www.sunnbattery.com/
Oh, well...
Victor
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The next thing you know, they'll be giving it it's own phone.
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 20:23, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> You all have seen 12V battery.
> How about 900 MHz battery?
>
> http://www.sunnbattery.com/
>
> Oh, well...
>
> Victor
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OK I did it.
I got the front motor of the Gone Poastal Van hopped up and running
again. Thanks to Dave Cloud and B&B motors of Seattle, we found a 8 turn
set of field coils. Down from the 10 turn whimps that were in the motor.
14.40 volts and about 30 amps and it's doing about 2500 rpm free spin.
And it makes a good scream, and it is getting quiter, and the amps are
dropping, as the poor brushes are being given a chance to get aquanited
with the comm again.
I have fully dissassembled a GE motor swapped the fields, restuffed the
shoe shims, and reloaded it. So I am totally laid back about getting on
with messing with air gaps. and field weakening for higher output
powers. It's a bolt and go type of operation. The air gap un shimmed was
over 135 thousandths. Shimmed it was still over 0.040. It came with 4
sets of equal .060 shims, all the same. The shimes are 015 each, 4 per
stack. I need to find some 005 and 010 stock, and maybe some 0075, for
the odd spacings.
I gotta funny feeling that the back yard is going to have that
screaming breaking in motor sound, for many nights to come this season.
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http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/gw/vw1litre.htm How about this with
a Tango drive train. Oh heck....just one motor and 250 pounds of Lithium.
This thing aught to go a long way. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From:
http://www.nytimes.com
Sunday February 22, 2004
If Your Cart Can Go 50 M.P.H., Who Needs Golf?
By PETER T. KILBORN
SURPRISE, Ariz. - Late one recent afternoon, 28 golf carts were lined up in
front of the fitness center and library at the Sun City Grand retirement
community here, like horses outside a saloon. But only one carried golf
bags. Otherwise, they bore little resemblance to those purring motorized
wagons that ferry duffers around at speeds little faster than feet.
Dealerships call them golf cars. They can come pinstriped and enameled in
the colors of Hades, with halogen headlights, rear-view mirrors, turn
signals, coolers, ornately designed roofs and tasseled canopies, heaters,
trunks, all-weather enclosures and simulated wood dashboards. They sell for
$2,500 to $13,000, and some drivers soup them up to go 50 miles per hour.
"They're the greatest thing," said Elaine Treftz, 67, who was carrying a
plastic foam "noodle" that she uses in her water aerobics class. "A noodle
and a golf cart are a must in Sun City Grand," she said. "The carts get you
all over. They get you to all the events. I can even get to the grocery
store and Walgreens."
In the sprawling gated and retirement communities of Arizona, Florida,
California, Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas, people in their 90's are
cruising around in golf carts that have never carried a club, often on
public roads and at illegal speeds.
Palm Springs, Calif., has golf cart lanes on its roads. Parking lots in the
three adjoining Sun City retirement communities outside Phoenix - Sun City,
Sun City West and Sun City Grand - have designated spaces for golf carts. In
big retirement communities like the Villages in Florida and Peachtree City,
Ga., the second car is usually a golf cart.
New houses' garages often come with room for one car and one golf cart, and
a 110-volt outlet for recharging. Most carts are electric, but in many
communities up to half run on gasoline. Gas-powered carts cost pennies a
gallon to operate, while electric models can run all day on one charge.
Not everyone here with a golf cart is interested in driving fast, but there
is a secret society here of people who do. "That's the Senior Hot Rods,"
said Donald Hultgren, 64, a retired schoolteacher. "A lot of these guys,
they'll adjust the governors up to 40 miles an hour, and that's too fast."
Six years ago, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration spurred
wider use of the carts by establishing a new category of motor vehicles:
low-speed vehicles, which are permitted to go up to 25 miles an hour on
public roads with speed limits of up to 35 miles an hour, provided they are
equipped with safety devices like seat belts, rear-view mirrors, and
headlights and taillights. About half the states have signed on and are
allowing local communities to permit low-speed vehicles and designate the
roads they can use.
The Arizona Motor Vehicle Division, which requires driver's licenses and
registration for carts that use public roads, says it has registered 28,804,
85 percent of them in Maricopa County, where the Sun City communities are
located.
"But that number seems small," said Cydney DeModica, a division spokeswoman.
Many more unregistered carts operate along private roads, she said.
Edward Kozlow, 77, a retired dentist from Dearborn, Mich., works out at the
recreation center at Sun City Grand. He had a stroke eight years ago that
left him with a limp and rendered his left hand useless. He had to stop
driving, he said, so he relied on his wife to get him around.
"I lost her last year," Dr. Kozlow said. "I couldn't do anything anymore. I
had to do something." To be licensed to drive a cart in Arizona, a driver
needs only one functional hand and one functional foot. "I took the test and
I passed it," he said, and his life was revitalized.
There is no official census of the nation's golf carts. But three
companies - E-Z-Go Textron, Yamaha and Ingersoll-Rand, manufacturer of the
Club Car brand - make most of the carts at plants in Georgia. The carts are
sold in fleets to golf courses, with smaller numbers of fancier and often
speedier models marketed to individuals through dealerships.
Ronald Skenes, the marketing and communications manager at E-Z-Go, the
leading producer, said the three companies sold about 135,000 last year.
"It's a growing market for us," he said.
Golf-course carts go no more than 15 miles an hour, but Mr. Skenes said that
when the courses renew their fleets every three to five years, dealers buy
the older models and spruce them up for resale to consumers.
Drivers shop at places like Buggies Unlimited in Nicholsville, Ky., which
sells golf-cart gear by mail. "Only 20 percent of our business is
golf-related," said Paxton Mahan, the shop's vice president. He sells wheel
covers, lift kits to raise the cart chassis so it can run on bigger wheels,
faster motors, decals, floor mats and gun holders for hunters.
Richard Steward, president of Golf Car Portal, a Web site listing dealers,
cited the four-wheel-drive Bad Boy Buggy, built on an E-Z-Go chassis. "The
thing is so powerful it will climb a wall," he said.
Like most owners here, Bob White, 78, who moved from Overland Park, Kan.,
has customized his cart. He has a Kansas City Chiefs license plate on his
1993 Yamaha and a Chiefs flag flying above it. On the dashboard, there is a
temperature gauge, a gas gauge and a compass. "You get lost here," he said,
"because the streets go around in circles."
Mr. White, a widower, lives in a ground-floor condominium with a garage big
enough to accommodate his PT Cruiser and his golf cart. "Taking the cart on
the roads here can be treacherous," he said. "They cut you off. They don't
even see you. You try to stay in the right-hand lane, but I was run into the
curb."
Because the carts usually have no sides, safety is a big concern in
retirement communities. "When there is a crash of a golf cart and a
conventional vehicle," Ms. DeModica of the Arizona Motor Vehicle Division
said, "the passengers of the golf cart are extremely vulnerable. They always
get the worst end."
Steve Pohle, a co-owner of an E-Z-Go dealership in Sun City, estimated that
three or four people die each year in golf-cart accidents in the three Sun
City communities.
Outside the recreation center at Sun City Grand, Paul and Sharon Corradi,
retirees from Brecksville, Ohio, were settling into their rebuilt Yamaha
after a taking a swim.
"It's like having a convertible," said Mrs. Corradi, 58. "It's like living
it all over again."
"I don't even use it for golf," said Mr. Corradi, 63. "I like the sensation.
You just get in them and go. We've fooled around with drag racing."
Mrs. Corradi said, "We'll be coming back from the pool, just joking around."
"Or," Mr. Corradi said, "1 or 2 in the morning. We don't do it right here.
You could run over someone who's older."
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From: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:58 AM
Subject: If the Tango was closer to the ground.
> http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/gw/vw1litre.htm How about this
with
> a Tango drive train. Oh heck....just one motor and 250 pounds of Lithium.
> This thing aught to go a long way. Lawrence Rhodes....
>
Hi All;
A good starting point(glider) for an electric. Yes! But I'm sure ya
can't inport it here, as it's a Diseasel, but a damn good one, would it do
better as a hybrid? We can't EVen get a Lupo here, a 80 mpg diesel VW.
Betya VW doesn't even sell it in Europe? It's just a " see what we can
do" thing, unlike the silly Phaeten, or what ever they call it, a most un
Volks Wagon!Gees! Just buy a Mercedes if you want a thing like that! Sigh!
Seeya
Bob
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From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Evercel is !!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Evercel is still in business.
> >
> > I just receive my order of M100s last week. They still have inventory in
New
> > Hampshire warehouse and production is still happening in Asia. For USA
> > inquires and orders, check with Bob at www.electricabenergy.com.
> >
> > BR,
> > Ed Thorpe
> > Hi Ed an' Rich;
Isn't the M100 the 12 volter that they first offered as the Evertrol
" At Last a trolling battery worth bragging about"with the winpy 5/16 bolt "
post" Maybe they have beefed it up for EV traction service. Those had a
charger built in on top. Those are the only, so far, Evercells that I've
met, in person.
Just curious.
Bob
> I second that statement!!!
> Bob will get you what he can. Hopefully we will get some new MB100s
> state side soon.
>
> --
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
SNIP! A bit!
Attached is a press release with details about The Electric
Drive
Transportation Association Conference & Exposition 2004:
Mobilizing
the Market, which will be held from September 21-23, 2004 in
Orlando, Florida. The conference will provide a comprehensive
and
hands-on forum for information exchange, business venture
development, and market forecasting and sales - and will feature
electric drive industry experts, policy leaders and academia
from
around the globe. Other key elements include an exposition
showcasing new and emerging battery, hybrid and fuel cell
products,
and a vehicle "Ride'n'Drive" of electric drive cars, bikes,
scooters and off-road vehicles.
Bla! Bla! Bla! ........ in Steve Clunn an' Jerry Dycus country?
Sounds like fun! Anybody thinking of going? I know it's a bit early, to
ask, but do you think it would be worth it for BEV guyz to show up? Like the
EVS things we have gone to before, when they are on OUR continent.
Seeya
Bob
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I said: "this is a test"
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Bob,
I think i would be interested in this. I have been
looking (unsuccesfully) for somewhere local to rent a
plastic welder.
I don't know how much you plan to buy it for, but i
would think you could get enough people together that
it is worth it. how heavy is it ? how much trouble to
ship ?
~fortunat
--- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I borrowed a poly welder from someone who wishes
> to get rid of it. He wants about 140 for it. I'm
> thinking SOMEONE on the discussion list should have
> one for rental. You pay $140 up front, and get all
> but $25 back after the welder comes back in good
> condition.
> What do you think? Is there an interest out
> there?
> What have you all done? I don't think this is
> readily
> available at the nearest United Rentals, or
> somesuch.
> Peace, out.
>
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> out of the steering wheel? Are you saving any gas
> for your kids?
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I looked for a rental plastic welder in the Portland, Oregon area a
couple of weeks ago. I found one shop that would rent one for either
$6 or $10 per day, depending on the model. The sticking point was
that they wanted a refundable $900 deposit on a charge card because
I didn't have an account with them. This isn't bad overall as long
as the deposit and refund occur on the same billing cycle...
I ended up buying one of the $30 plastic welders from Harbor Freight.
This unit requires an external external air compressor and doesn't
come with a "speed tip", but (from what I've read) is otherwise a
'pretty good' setup. I hope to get some practice this weekend, and
then start building my battery boxes (with polyethylene).
Ralph
Fortunat Mueller writes:
>
> Bob,
>
> I think i would be interested in this. I have been
> looking (unsuccesfully) for somewhere local to rent a
> plastic welder.
> I don't know how much you plan to buy it for, but i
> would think you could get enough people together that
> it is worth it. how heavy is it ? how much trouble to
> ship ?
>
> ~fortunat
>
> --- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I borrowed a poly welder from someone who wishes
> > to get rid of it. He wants about 140 for it. I'm
> > thinking SOMEONE on the discussion list should have
> > one for rental. You pay $140 up front, and get all
> > but $25 back after the welder comes back in good
> > condition.
> > What do you think? Is there an interest out
> > there?
> > What have you all done? I don't think this is
> > readily
> > available at the nearest United Rentals, or
> > somesuch.
> > Peace, out.
> >
> > =====
> > '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
> > (in progress)! ____
> > __/__|__\ __
> > =D-------/ - - \
> > 'O'-----'O'-'
> > Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came
> > out of the steering wheel? Are you saving any gas
> > for your kids?
> >
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