EV Digest 3834
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi: stupidity fries chrgr, susp., transm., and brake
booster noises
by "Steve Clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Heater Cored
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: 54V generator?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Fw: Stock traded for an EV?
by "Brian D. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) electric-car race
by Lee Dekker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by Sam Thurber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Lee Dekker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) An event to promote electric vehicles
by Lee Dekker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Golf cart repair and TEVan shift cable
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by "J Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Heater Cored
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: What is flashover? Was Re: Worst outcome of minor brush arcing
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sometimes EVs are not for perfectionists.
> 1) Vacuum pump turning on after each brake actuation.
This is why I feel a used EV that is on the road running and has been for
more that 6 months ( the longer the better) IS worth more that the parts .
It takes time to work out the bugs .
> UNFORTUNATELY, I managed to short my PFC-20 in the
> process. I broke 3 VERY SERIOUS RULES of working with
> EVs, novices:
> 1) Don't work on the car without pulling the breaker;
> 2) Don't work on the car while it's charging.
> 3) If you brake rules 1 & 2, make DAMN sure you're
> using insulated wrenches!
>
Did you e meter serive? well see all is not lost , :-) I'd put "unpluge
the e meter" on the list when doing anything to the batteries, as I have
tosted more E meters than bread.
> So here I am, driving my brother's Integra, waiting
> for parts and repairs, and feeling pretty stupid.
In a world thats comming apart becuse of gas , anybody building a EV is far
form stupid. I one time pluged my pfc's 20 out put into 240 ac and all that
happened was the fuse in the charger blow ( or should we say " I cleared the
fuse " :-) . I was using the same type of out let for both input and out
put ," was what I had on my bad boy charger".
> Maybe someone else can benefit from my mistake.
maybe may ,
steve clunn
If the price was higher for spelling mistakes , maybe I'd spell better.
>
> =====
> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
> ____
> __/__|__\ __
> =D-------/ - - \
> 'O'-----'O'-'
> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
>
>
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>Don Cameron wrote:
>Nice job! Have any pictures?
I've posted the heater core description at:
http://www.fredrickgroup.com/ElectricCarConversion/HeaterCore.html
It's part of the conversion journal I'm working on, in which I'm trying to
be as detailed as possible, so you might find the page a bit verbose. The
first part describes how the old heater core worked, and the second part
details the steps I took to replace it.
Let me know if you find any spelling, grammar or factual errors.
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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At 06:56 PM 10/2/2004, Neon John wrote:
inverter to generate the output. The power head itself outputs high
frequency high voltage 3 phase power from a PM alternator built into the
flywheel. The output is in the 300 volt range, depending on the engine
speed and load. The inverter PWMs this into a very clean 60 hz sine wave.
All the components I can see in the picture and read about in the manual
are identical to mine. I'm going to bet that there is an external
rectifier/controller that converts the generator output to 48vdc. That
appears to not be present on the Ebay unit.
So, sounds like you might be able to use a PFC-20/30/50/150 to make a good
charger out of it.
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John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have some Zappy.com stock that I will trade for some Zap stock, how many
times can a copany change it's name a still sound the same.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > It's truly amazing that anyone with ZAP stock would think it of any
value
> > whatsoever within the EV community...as if we have no knowledge of this
> > company's history or Gary Starr - ZAP's most prodigious output now is
press
> > releases.
> Say... tell him you'll trade him some Zebra Motors stock for his ZAP
> stock... or U.S.Electricar, or Solar Automotive, or Jet Industries, or
> Renaissance Motors, or...
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
> --
> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Last year, BGSU and nine other universities involved in the Formula Lightning series
agreed that October would mark their last event. Mr. Piersol cited a lack of funding
sources to support the programs. "It's a financial equation," he said.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041002/NEWS21/410020358/-1/NEWS
The Electric Falcon can reach speeds up to 140 mph. During pit stops, student crews
replace more than 1,200 pounds of batteries at a time.
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I have been a little skeptical of the massively
parallel 18650 Li-ion cells AC propulsion uses because
those type of cells have gone bad for me in multiple
laptops after just a few years of use. I figured AC
Propulsion just hoped they would have a longer
calender life in the T-Zero because they were not
being "abused" in a laptop by being maintained at 100%
state of charge for long periods of time. However, I
discovered something last night that changed my mind
about 18650 calender life issues.
I had bought a li-ion battery analyzer and charger
recently in preparation to build an EV pack with other
prismatic Li-ion cells. Out of curiosity I took apart
a couple of those old laptop battery packs and charged
the cells directly (bypassing the built in protective
electronics) with the Li-ion analyzer. Guess what,
they all not only took a charge, but they all had more
than their rated capacity!?!
I put the packs back together and booted up the
laptops just to be sure (remember Windows 95?). It was
as if I had brand new battery packs with full
run-time, and then they were all able to be charged
normally in the laptop back to 100% of capacity. I've
cycled them a couple of times now just to be sure. The
"protective" circuits on these packs had decided for
some reason that the cells were bad for some reason
and stopped allowing them to be recharged. After
forcing a recharge, the packs were better than new and
the protective circuits had been somehow reset. One of
the packs I tested had 7 year old Sanyo Li-ion 18650
cells in them (that had sat unused in a closet for I
think at least a couple of years if not more.
Micron, Toshiba, and Compaq (I suspect the others as
well) have some explaining to do. If any of you
(American readers) have some really old, dead, li-ion
packs from old laptops you could send me, contact me
off-list. I would be happy to test them and send them
back to you if they still work.
-Sam
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http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the wheel has caught the fancy of a
Connecticut environmental group, which last month suggested it as an anti-pollution
initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M. Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
The plan would reward motorists who drive less with lower rates. And, it would have the
added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the advocates said.
Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively unknown nationally despite a pilot
program
in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state that offers tax credits for every
pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
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http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/detail.asp?ID=52949&GRP=B
In the past, the development and promotion of electric vehicles faced many obstacles.
Because of the electric vehicles' heavy chassis, low durability of batteries, and the
inconvenience of recharging, consumers were not receptive to the product, according to
the institute.
However, the institute said that several years of research and development had enhanced
the efficiency of vehicles that rely upon electricity.
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How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to disconnect the odometer.
Mike G.
Lee Dekker wrote:
http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the wheel has caught the fancy of a
Connecticut environmental group, which last month suggested it as an anti-pollution
initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M. Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
The plan would reward motorists who drive less with lower rates. And, it would have the
added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the advocates said.
Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively unknown nationally despite a pilot program
in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state that offers tax credits for every
pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
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Fixed the golf cart, the Cursit control had corroded
connections from contaminants that wicked in from the
logic connector and corroded the contacts on the
circuit board. I soldered a new wire harness to the
control card and used Dow 3125 silicon adhesive to
seal the deal.
The shift cable on the TEVan didn't appear to fix my
problem. Changing this thing out was like an
excersize in cortortion. So, tomorrow I will try the
'rigging' technique of bypassing the low/high switch
crap on the transmission and will use the DPDT switch.
I guess if this works I will guarantee nobody can
steal the van, heck, I even have trouble making it go
sometimes! Always being the optimist I will be happy
with my theft deterant system.
Rod
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Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
as the insurance reducer.
Rod.
--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
> disconnect the odometer.
> Mike G.
>
> Lee Dekker wrote:
>
> >http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
> >
> >Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
> wheel has caught the fancy of a
> >Connecticut environmental group, which last month
> suggested it as an anti-pollution
> >initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
> Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
> >
> >The plan would reward motorists who drive less with
> lower rates. And, it would have the
> >added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
> advocates said.
> >
> >Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
> unknown nationally despite a pilot program
> >in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state
> that offers tax credits for every
> >pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
> >
> >
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I agree!:)
Mike G.
Rod Hower wrote:
Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
as the insurance reducer.
Rod.
--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
disconnect the odometer.
Mike G.
Lee Dekker wrote:
http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
wheel has caught the fancy of a
Connecticut environmental group, which last month
suggested it as an anti-pollution
initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
The plan would reward motorists who drive less with
lower rates. And, it would have the
added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
advocates said.
Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
unknown nationally despite a pilot program
in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state
that offers tax credits for every
pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
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> Sam wrote:
>I had bought a li-ion battery analyzer and charger
Can you give some more info on this or is this the hobby type that does nimh
as well as li-ion?
Thanks
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Bill, this is great! Nice detail. I will put a link to this off my heater
core page.
Don
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bill Dennis
Sent: October 3, 2004 6:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Heater Cored
>Don Cameron wrote:
>Nice job! Have any pictures?
I've posted the heater core description at:
http://www.fredrickgroup.com/ElectricCarConversion/HeaterCore.html
It's part of the conversion journal I'm working on, in which I'm trying to
be as detailed as possible, so you might find the page a bit verbose. The
first part describes how the old heater core worked, and the second part
details the steps I took to replace it.
Let me know if you find any spelling, grammar or factual errors.
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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Sam, I read something about this on the battery university web pages.
Something to effect of some Li-Ion protection circuits in laptop batteries
try to estimate a battery's SOC based on usage history. The history info
gets quite out of date unless the battery is run down completely every once
in a while. Something like this anyways...
Don
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Thurber
Sent: October 3, 2004 11:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Seven year old 18650 Li-ion cell's calender life
I have been a little skeptical of the massively parallel 18650 Li-ion cells
AC propulsion uses because those type of cells have gone bad for me in
multiple laptops after just a few years of use. I figured AC Propulsion just
hoped they would have a longer calender life in the T-Zero because they were
not being "abused" in a laptop by being maintained at 100% state of charge
for long periods of time. However, I discovered something last night that
changed my mind about 18650 calender life issues.
I had bought a li-ion battery analyzer and charger recently in preparation
to build an EV pack with other prismatic Li-ion cells. Out of curiosity I
took apart a couple of those old laptop battery packs and charged the cells
directly (bypassing the built in protective
electronics) with the Li-ion analyzer. Guess what, they all not only took a
charge, but they all had more than their rated capacity!?!
I put the packs back together and booted up the laptops just to be sure
(remember Windows 95?). It was as if I had brand new battery packs with full
run-time, and then they were all able to be charged normally in the laptop
back to 100% of capacity. I've cycled them a couple of times now just to be
sure. The "protective" circuits on these packs had decided for some reason
that the cells were bad for some reason and stopped allowing them to be
recharged. After forcing a recharge, the packs were better than new and the
protective circuits had been somehow reset. One of the packs I tested had 7
year old Sanyo Li-ion 18650 cells in them (that had sat unused in a closet
for I think at least a couple of years if not more.
Micron, Toshiba, and Compaq (I suspect the others as
well) have some explaining to do. If any of you (American readers) have some
really old, dead, li-ion packs from old laptops you could send me, contact
me off-list. I would be happy to test them and send them back to you if they
still work.
-Sam
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: What is flashover? Was Re: Worst outcome of minor brush arcing
> It's actually barely a hiss....
>
> --- Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: What is the worst outcome of minor
> > brush arcing
> >
> >
> > > If arcing is loud enough to hear, then flashover
> > > is a likely possibility. I'll leave it to our
> > drag
> > > racing gurus to describe what flashover is.
> > >
> > BANG!....
> >
Umm just what are you talking about??
The Bang that you hear when you get a fireball that locks up the motor
while under way... is LOUD!, Skipping down the road in a Sparrow at 70 with
the back tire is locked up... is a pretty
significant event... And you can clearly hear it.
On the other hand My old Kostov with greater than 800 amps on it sang. A
nice musical sizzel that you could adjust with your right foot on the
Raptor.
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Not only would this be difficult to enforce, but it is a
privacy infringement as well, however small it may be.
There exist much better ways to control pollution, which I
shall not debate here as to keep from making OT posts.
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Don't think that will work with modern cars. With
computers invading all aspects of the car the
disconnect may show up in diagnotic. It may even
prevent the car from running correctly.
--- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based)
> pick-up
> that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
> switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
> demand' odometer control. So this switch can be
> used
> as the insurance reducer.
> Rod.
>
> --- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
> > disconnect the odometer.
> > Mike G.
> >
> > Lee Dekker wrote:
> >
> > >http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
> > >
> > >Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
> > wheel has caught the fancy of a
> > >Connecticut environmental group, which last month
> > suggested it as an anti-pollution
> > >initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
> > Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
> > >
> > >The plan would reward motorists who drive less
> with
> > lower rates. And, it would have the
> > >added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
> > advocates said.
> > >
> > >Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
> > unknown nationally despite a pilot program
> > >in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern
> state
> > that offers tax credits for every
> > >pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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