EV Digest 4200
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Nikota Genset
by TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Advice on electric scooter sought
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Generator hybred
by TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Power brakes (was power steering and AC)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
by Bob Siebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Motor Horsepower questions.
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Rabbit replacement
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Perf Upgrade using EV components
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Heat Dissipation Estimate
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Power brakes (was power steering and AC)
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
by "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Just some trivia...
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Power brakes (was power steering and AC)
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Power brakes (was power steering and AC)
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Power brakes (was power steering and AC)
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
by "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Rabbit replacement
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Perf Upgrade using EV components
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Rabbit replacement
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: AZ Republic Blurb
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: wanted 48-54v(ish) programmable, 20A charger
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) federal $$ spent on EV1?
by Sam Uzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: AZ Republic Blurb
by Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Renualt LeCar
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Nikota Genset
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Advice on electric scooter sought
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: AZ Republic Blurb
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I answered my own question...
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/15131645/page/9.cfm
About halfway down is a post from "Proffesor" which
details the problem. Apparently you can't get more
than 1000watts from each 110 outlet, they are out of
phase so you can't combine the output either. I
thought it sounded to good to be true. He does say
that they had a ELM3000 generator that would give you
20 amps out from a single outlet, but they were
replaced with the Nikota model.
TiM
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Mark Dodrill wrote:
> I'm looking for an electric scooter that meets the following
> requirments:
>
> * Max speed required is 40 mph for about 1 mile
> * Other times speed is between 25 and 35 mph
For some reason, all the little scooters, 4 wheelers, and go carts
that are sold around here(Oklahoma), appear to be limited to 28mph.
Is there some sort of law that requires this? What method is used to
limit these vehicles to this exact speed?
http://www.pepboys.com/transportation/street_legal_scooters/electric.html
Could these be modified to get more speed out of them? What currently
limits them? Electronically governed by their controller?
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I was reading the paper this morning when I saw the
PepBoys add. Nikota (Chinese?) 3500 watt generator
$289 with a $40 rebate. It has a 6.5 horse OHV engine
that is CARB approved. What exactly does CARB approved
mean?) It states it will put out 25A @120V. This works
out to 3000 watts, not 3500, but for $250 I can throw
this in the back of the truck and drive. I checked the
PFC application note on using generators, this one
doesn't have a 220V outlet so I should be good to go.
Has anyone out there any experience with the Nikota
name? Is this price just too good to be true and I'd
be actually buying $250 worth of junk?
Thanks for any feedback.
Tim
'61 Electric Rampside
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It just occurred to me. You only need power brakes when you are braking
(obviously). And when you are braking, you want regen. So... rather than
an electrically-driven vacuum pump (which is another load on your 12v
DC/DC and wastes power whenever it runs), has anyone thought of running
a mechanical vacuum pump off the traction motor, and engaging it when
you step on the brakes?
The pump could have a magnetic clutch, or perhaps just be plumbed to
produce minimal load when not in use. It could easily be large enough in
capacity to provide full vacuum in a fraction of a second, even if there
wasn't a vacuum reservoir.
--
"The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." -- Harlan Ellison
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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David:
I choked on "dinosaur" too.
/Bob
On Mar 18, 2005, at 7:58 PM, David Chapman wrote:
Yep, when I spoke to John D'Anna he put me on hold and got a copy of
the
original press release from the phx eaa that had your name on it. Said
that
there was nothing in the original that mentioned EV-1s at all. I just
find
it really strange that this press "item" was invented? (for lack of a
better
word) at this time. It gives the casual reader the impression that
there are
still EV-1s around, they a number of people in Phx drive them, and I
take
particular offense at the term dinosaur. I am going to find out who
wrote
this item and ask him/her. I still hope people use the contact info I
posted
to try and nudge a response out of the AZ Republic. Maybe if we keep
sending
factual evidentuary proof of GMs actions to that investigative
reporter Mary
Jo Pitzl she would maybe do an article, and since we are so close to
the
gates of the graveyard we could take up the fight here. Regards, David
Chapman.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
Dave,
And anyone else that saw the Blurb.. Go with your hunches.
The get together is on the 26th, in lieu of our regular meeting. You
should
be getting an e-mail announcing that fact.
Where they got the EV-1 part of the story is anyones guess. Must be
filler
material. I hope not too many people are disappointed.
BTW: I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Phoenix that you'll
see
an EV-1 there, but I'd like to be surprised.
Jim - PhoenixEAA EVents Co-coordinator
'93 Dodge TEVan
"Breathe Easy - It's Electric"
I am assuming it is a complete mis-statement by the normally
misguided
and
inaccurate staffers but I want to make sure. I figure it is some
cross
confuguliation of the normal Phoenix EAA meeting that is normally
held on
the 3 Sat, but it is funny how it plays right into GMs
mis-information
campaign.
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Electric cars join show in Pavilions parking lot
SCOTTSDALE- See the automotive equivalent of a dinosaur Saturday in
the
McDonald's parking lot at the Pavilions, Pima and Indian Bend Roads.
Members of the Electric Auto Association-Phoenix Chapter will start
gathering with their EV-1s at about 2 PM and will be available to
talk
about their cars from 4 PM until dark. Unlike most of the classic
cars in
the lot, the EV-1s on display are relatively new, the product of a
four->year GM experiment with
electric cars.
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Otmar wrote:
>They both start fire-balling at 170V
Of the currently available AC motors, is there ONE of them that would
out perform your current setup of 2 DC motors? If you are running in
the 13's now with 2 DC motors, could you run 12's with one AC motor?
How about a "simple", bare bones AC inverter? No regen, no software
interface, just a high amp inverter. To start with anyways..
And a sweet little dc/dc! ;)
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Electro Automotive wrote:
> We have had several inquiries from Prius and Insight owners wanting
> to convert them to pure electric. While it could be done, it would
> be more complicated than the Voltsrabbit was to develop.
Most likely, *any* new car would be harder to convert than *any* older
car. Cars have just gotten a lot more complicated. Air bags, antilock
brakes, dashboards run by the engine control computer,
electronically-controlled transmissions, etc.
Still, we'll have to face up to the problems sooner or later. What about
the Echo instead of the Prius? You wouldn't be "wrecking" a perfectly
good hybrid, and the Echo is a lot cheaper and simpler.
--
"The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." -- Harlan Ellison
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Gabriel Alarcon wrote:
> That sounds do-able. Would there be some kind of clutch action
> built in to the hydraulic motor or would it be always directly
> coupled? It seems like it may work like a typical torque converter
> in an automatic trans.
No; hydraulic pumps and motors are nothing like automotive torque
converters. For one thing, they are higher efficiency, and positive
displacement (they don't slip).
I'm no hydraulic expert; you should consult with one for details. But,
my assumption is that you would use valving to determine whether the
pump/motor on the drive shaft is doing something or just free-wheeling.
The valves would be *far* more reliable than any clutch.
--
"The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." -- Harlan Ellison
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Bill Dennis wrote:
>
> Is a 7-inch x 2-inch by 1/4-inch block of aluminum, with airflow on both
> sides, enough to dissipate 130W? I've read that a good rule of thumb is 1
> sq. centimeter of surface area per watt. If that's correct, then I need:
>
> 130sq.cm / 6.45sq.cm/sq.inch = 20sq.inch
>
> If I count 14sq. inch on each side of the block, then I have 28 sq. inch.
>
> Do those calculation sound correct?
It is more complicated than that. I would suggest getting a Thermalloy
or Wakefield heatsink catalog; they have charts and tables to estimate
this sort of thing.
A given shape (basically, defined by its surface area) has a certain
temperature rise per watt of power being dumped into it. For example,
your 28 sq.in. block will heat up somewhere around 6 deg.C per watt. If
there were a 10 watt resistor clamped to it, it would heat up to 10 x 6
= 60 deg.C above ambient. If ambient is 25 deg.C, it will reach 85
deg.C.
The number of deg.C/watt is strongly influenced by airflow, orientation,
and shape, so estimates like this are *very* rough.
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"The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." -- Harlan Ellison
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Lee Hart wrote:
> It just occurred to me. You only need power brakes when you are braking
I feel the term "power brakes" is misleading. If my understanding is
correct(please correct me if it's not), the brake booster doesn't make
the brake system more powerful, it only makes the brakes easier to
apply.
Proper pedal ratio is important to get proper leverage in a manual
conversion. This page has a neat table:
http://www.mpbrakes.com/mpfaqmasters.htm
Example conversion:
http://www.maliburacing.com/manual_brake_conversion.htm
>From the bottom of this page:
http://www.wilwood.com/Products/005-PedalAssemblies/Pages/techtip/pedaltech.asp
"With a 1" master cylinder stroke, a 100 pound push on the pedal, and
the pedal having a 4:1 ratio, the force is 4 x 100 = 400 pounds, and
the stroke is 4 x 1 = 4 inches. With a 100 pound push on the pedal,
and the pedal having a 6:1 ratio, the force is 6 x 100 = 600 pounds,
and the stroke is 6 x 1 = 6 inches."
I've already converted to a manual steering rack(I wouldn't have it
any other way), and I will convert to manual brakes when I do my
electric conversion. Why don't I do it now? Money.
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I took offense at the dinosaur thing too. If anything, GM is the dinosaur,
not the EV-1.
David, I agree. Take up the protest at the GM Proving Grounds. GM probably
believes we will just walk away after the lot has been cleared at Burbank.
GM needs to be exposed for the liars they are, especially with how they
mismanaged the EV-1 program.
They are probably rushing to get these things crushed by April 15 so they
can take a tax write-off on the loss. Someone had mentioned this but I can't
recall who. So they are no doubt cashing in on the destruction which is a
farce since US taxpayer dollars did help build these cars.
Chip
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From: "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
> Yep, when I spoke to John D'Anna he put me on hold and got a copy of the
> original press release from the phx eaa that had your name on it. Said
that
> there was nothing in the original that mentioned EV-1s at all. I just find
> it really strange that this press "item" was invented? (for lack of a
better
> word) at this time. It gives the casual reader the impression that there
are
> still EV-1s around, they a number of people in Phx drive them, and I take
> particular offense at the term dinosaur. I am going to find out who wrote
> this item and ask him/her. I still hope people use the contact info I
posted
> to try and nudge a response out of the AZ Republic. Maybe if we keep
sending
> factual evidentuary proof of GMs actions to that investigative reporter
Mary
> Jo Pitzl she would maybe do an article, and since we are so close to the
> gates of the graveyard we could take up the fight here. Regards, David
> Chapman.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:32 PM
> Subject: EV-1 Blurb in AZ Republic
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > And anyone else that saw the Blurb.. Go with your hunches.
> >
> > The get together is on the 26th, in lieu of our regular meeting. You
> should
> > be getting an e-mail announcing that fact.
> >
> > Where they got the EV-1 part of the story is anyones guess. Must be
filler
> > material. I hope not too many people are disappointed.
> >
> > BTW: I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Phoenix that you'll
see
> > an EV-1 there, but I'd like to be surprised.
> >
> > Jim - PhoenixEAA EVents Co-coordinator
> > '93 Dodge TEVan
> > "Breathe Easy - It's Electric"
> >
> >
> > >I am assuming it is a complete mis-statement by the normally misguided
> and
> > >inaccurate staffers but I want to make sure. I figure it is some cross
> > >confuguliation of the normal Phoenix EAA meeting that is normally held
on
> > >the 3 Sat, but it is funny how it plays right into GMs mis-information
> > >campaign.
> >
>
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> > >-------------------------------------
> >
> > >Electric cars join show in Pavilions parking lot
> >
> > >SCOTTSDALE- See the automotive equivalent of a dinosaur Saturday in the
> > >McDonald's parking lot at the Pavilions, Pima and Indian Bend Roads.
> > >Members of the Electric Auto Association-Phoenix Chapter will start
> > >gathering with their EV-1s at about 2 PM and will be available to talk
> > >about their cars from 4 PM until dark. Unlike most of the classic cars
in
> > >the lot, the EV-1s on display are relatively new, the product of a
> > four->year GM experiment with
> > >electric cars.
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://mail2web.com/ .
> >
> >
>
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John Wayland wrote:
> I've seen much better numbers for the '96 EV1. Motor Trend tested
> a Panasonic lead acid equipped EV1 at 0-60 in 7.6 seconds.
Good. I know the later EV1s (after 1996) had better batteries; I just
don't have numbers for them. The 1966 data is with the awful Delphi
batteries. Did any EV1 have Panasonic batteries in 1966?
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"The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." -- Harlan Ellison
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Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Hi,
Lee Hart wrote:
So... rather than an electrically-driven vacuum pump <snip>
> has anyone thought of running a mechanical vacuum pump off
> the traction motor,and engaging it when you step on the brakes?
Lee, that is a good idea that I had never thought of. I guess the
biggest appeal (besides 12 volt load reduction) is keeping noise down,
as my Gast vacuum pump is the loudest component in my Jeep when at a
stop or slow speeds (go figure). I wonder how much a mechanical vacuum
pump costs (did a quick Google search but didn't see any)?
Though, I wonder if you'd have any problems holding the brakes in on
hills with a tail-shaft driven pump (say, when you stop at a traffic
light)? Because once the motor stops, the vacuum pump isn't producing
anymore vacuum, so would the pedal get harder and harder to keep
depressed as vacuum bleeds off? Or maybe brake boosters don't bleed any
vacuum off as long as you keep the pedal depressed and I'm being dumb
thinking they do?
Thanks,
--
-Nick
http://Go.DriveEV.com/
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
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I just switched the brakes on my Geo Metro conversion to manual (involved a
Honda master cylinder, a Toyota brake line splitter and fabricating a new
push rod). It seems to work well in stationary testing with the car up on
blocks, but the vehicle hasn't been on the road yet, so I won't know if it
really works until then. Since I'm using TS cells and a convertible version
of the Metro, the final product should be under the max. GVW, so I'm hoping
that it will suffice. I'll keep y'all posted.
Bill Dennis
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Bill Dennis wrote:
> I just switched the brakes on my Geo Metro conversion to manual (involved a
> Honda master cylinder, a Toyota brake line splitter and fabricating a new
> push rod).
How come you couldn't use the stock master cylinder? Is the stock
pedal ratio "good enough"?
What about using an adjustable proportioning valve so you can dial in
the front and rear brake pressure? That's what I'm planning on using.
http://www.jegs.com/photos/9502608419.jpg
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1178&prmenbr=361
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Hello All,
I just got done listening to the NPR coverage of the Vigil in Burbank.
Everytime I read, or in this case, hear something from GM's spokesman, I get
a fogged up vision of some small group of people huddled in a mindmelt,
trying their best to come up with some buzz phrases to write into script
form. Personally, I'd like to hear from anyone who was EVER contacted by GM
regarding their names being on a waiting list. I'm not buying it. GM
wouldn't waste their time calling each of the "thousands of people" who
signed a list to see if they were ready to commit. Less than 50 people out
of "thoudands"? I once was acquainted with a crazy person who could come up
with more believable lines than these.
Secondly, this issue of the sophisticated electronic braking system, 2000
speacial parts, etc., has the same basic resonance as a manure spreader
being pulled through a field of daisies. I really, really have to wonder who
this guy thinks he's talking to? I'd bet a tank of gasoline that neither he,
or anyone else, could prove that Mr. B has ever done any kind of work on a
car, physical labor, something as basic as a simple oil change. And he wants
to try pulling one over on folks who have been into cars for the majority of
their lives? I'm not buying the brake/safety/liability issue any sooner than
the the customer contact blurb. I'm going to set out to uncover some of the
many safety issues that GM never seemed too concerned about with their
multi-myraid of botched up design flaws and failures in past ICE vehicles.
God knows how tired and burned out I feel about, and from, this debacle. I'm
convinced that if I hope to ever own a BEV, I'll have to buy one that has
been converted or perform a conversion on one myself. None of the car makers
are doing me any favors with their EV programs. It's been a disgusting
several years of reading and hearing the lies, myths and lame-brained
excuses that are shovelled out of the offical chute of each company. I'll do
business with the auto industry again when it's on my terms, and in a way
that reflects my core beliefs and values about the social and geo-political
issues that I've rambled about for years.
Good luck with the efforts. I hope that some good or positive exposure comes
from any actions that people take in order to be counted and ~make the
scene~. At this point, and as fed up as I am, I wouldn't spend another
minute of my life EVER in any way, shape or form, to act contrary to the
will of GM, Ford or others, except for the fact that it's the right thing to
do. I fully expect that nothing will change and that basically, nobody will
notice or care one way or the other.
I'll dig up some biblio's and fire up the papper cannon tomorrow
David,....for the last time. If I don't have any hopes of making a
difference, then I can't feel discouraged or let down, as I have felt over
past issues. I can't control what they build and offer for sale, but I can
control whether I buy a new vehicle or not. My only hope is that by the time
the masses figure out how misled we've all been, that there's still enough
time left to do something to slow down and/or reverse course.
Good luck and safe and happy protesting to All,
Rick Pryor
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Rabbit replacement
Most likely, *any* new car would be harder to convert than *any* older
car. Cars have just gotten a lot more complicated. Air bags, antilock
brakes, dashboards run by the engine control computer,
electronically-controlled transmissions, etc.
Still, we'll have to face up to the problems sooner or later. What about
the Echo instead of the Prius? You wouldn't be "wrecking" a perfectly
good hybrid, and the Echo is a lot cheaper and simpler.
--
I've wondered since the late 1990s what car might be a good replacement
for the rapidly aging Rabbit. The added complexities of the newer cars
certainly complicates things for anyone doing a conversion. A further
complication is higher expectations from people interested in an EV. The
modern EV enthusiast expects more speed, acceleration, range, reliability,
comfort, etc. than people who were interested in Voltsrabbits in the 1990s.
Finding a good replacement for the Rabbit is a tall order. Convincing
Mike Brown or someone else to design and produce a conversion kit
for it might be even harder.
offered with manual transmissions.
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At 10:30 AM 18/03/05 -0800, Gabe Alarcon wrote:
I am looking to enhance the performance of my Mitsu Fuso truck weighing in
at 11,300 lbs, loaded. It has a 4 cyl turbo diesel and all I can find
from diesel shops are typical ICE upgrades, chips, larger injectors,
larger turbos, etc. There is a lot of room for batteries under this thing
<snip> All comments appreciated.
Hi Gabe (and all)
I have had similar thoughts with my Toyta Dyna (4000kg GVM), and came up
with the following thoughts (if I can remember all of them, and the order
of them):
1) My truck max speed is 130km/h (around 80mph) and spends much of its life
around town at 0 to 80km/h. As such a motor could be coupled into the
tailshaft (ie single speed ratio), with max RPM allowable ratio-ed at
130km/h, and very useable tourque at normal speeds.
2) Assuming 5th gear is straight through (1:1 in the gearbox) then the
tailshaft maximum is around 3750RPM, well below maximum for a smallish
EV-type motor, but OK for a larger forklift-type motor.
3) Were the driveshaft longer, it would be possible to put a motor in the
tailshaft, mounted to be in-line with the gearbox, and a shorter tailshaft
with universal joints to the diff. But my vehicle has not enough room
(length-wise) to do this, but yours might.
3a) were there the length-wise space, it would be possible to put a motor
between the diesel and the gearbox. If there were a dog- or other clutch
between the diesel and the electric, it would be possible to have a few
miles of EV-only mode that still has the use of the gearbox, AND use the
motor to start the diesel (saving wear on the $tarter motor).
4) The handbrake is on the back end of the gearbox. A pulley could be put
onto this point, and a motor set up laid paralell to the gearbox, with a
ratio to allow higher motor RPMs. What I don't know is if the gearbox rear
bearing could cope with the side-load, or if an additional carrier bearing
would be needed.
5) due to the steep hills here, there is a need to have a gearbox, so there
is no practicality to a tailshaft-drive EV only mode without a BIG motor.
6) Such a modification would make it a rocket off the line (relatively
speaking, of course).
7) the small battery pack that would be needed (so as to not loose more
than gain, by hauling extra weight) would need frequent recharge in order
to get good benefit, ie regen.
8) the regen requirement changed the ballgame - a shunt motor with some
fairly smart control or a brushless DC or an AC motor then became required.
9) the motor became a 'too hard basket' problem, and I stopped thinking
about hybridizing the Toyota truck and gave myself a mental slap and told
myself to concentrate on the conversion in progress.
But that hasn't stopped me thinking about converting one of our Nissan
Skylines'. The Dyna may get a revisit in future if the price of fuel keeps
going the way it has been ($1.17 aus per litre, around $3.70 US/gallon, for
diesel).
You asked for comments, that's mine!
Regards
James.
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Lee Hart wrote:
> Most likely, *any* new car would be harder to convert than *any* older
> car. Cars have just gotten a lot more complicated.
>Air bags,
Remove.
>anti lock brakes
remove / convert to regular brakes(easy).
>dashboards run by the engine control computer,
After market standalone tach and speedometer plus an Emeter.
> electronically-controlled transmissions, etc.
Automatics?
My ideal conversion car would be lightweight, have a manual
transmission, and have enough room for batteries.
How about a Dodge Neon? Sub 2500 lbs, manual trans, somewhat low cost
vehicle. Other cars: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Chevy Cavalier(the newer
ones), Ford Focus. Plenty of cars just ripe for the picking.
Ideally, I'd like to personally convert each of those cars over
myself. Have a whole fleet of EV's.
For a "race car"(hot street car), I'll convert my Mustang. For a
"normal car", all those listed above. Would their stock manual trans
be up for much spirited driving? I don't know how stout those manual
front wheel drive transmissions are..
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Hey everyone,
Come to think of it. The AZ Republic piece isn't just purely based on
misinformation.
It's a joke. And the joke is directed at us, the EV community, primarily the
Phoenix EAA.
Someone or people at the AZ Republic, who have been following the EV-1
Vigil, thought it would be funny to write this blurb by insinuating EVs are
"dinosaurs" and knowing they are being destroyed wrote an article as if the
cars would be on display by the Phoenix EAA.
If I was the Phoenix EAA and the EAA organization I would demand a public
apology. They took an upcoming Phoenix EAA event and made a joke out of it.
And the AZ Republic is wrong. GM is really the dinosaur.
I wouldn't be surprised if the AZ Republic is run by some neo-con Rush
Slimeball type media conglomerate. Just by the name, it sounds like it is.
For whatever reason those types love to publically bash EVs at every
opportunity.
The folks at the GM Proving Grounds are probably laughing their heads off
about it. It made their Friday.
This realization came from Dave Goldstein, EVA/DC Prez, who read the article
and came to this conclusion and I'm sharing it with the list. I tend to
agree with Dave.
We need to step up the protests a notch now.
"Electric cars join show in Pavilions parking lot
SCOTTSDALE- See the automotive equivalent of a dinosaur Saturday in the
McDonald's parking lot at the Pavilions, Pima and Indian Bend Roads. Members
of the Electric Auto Association-Phoenix Chapter will start gathering with
their EV-1s at about 2 PM and will be available to talk about their cars
from 4 PM until dark. Unlike most of the classic cars in the lot, the EV-1s
on display are relatively new, the product of a four-year GM experiment with
electric cars."
Chip Gribben
Save the EV1
http://www.savetheev1.org
EVA/DC
http://www.evadc.org
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Try Eagle-Picher Technologies.
I don't have the address now but I can get it if you can't find it.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Seth Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 4:53 AM
Subject: wanted 48-54v(ish) programmable, 20A charger
> Need to charge SAFT 100Ah cells and was looking for an isolated,
> programmable 20A charger. Brusa doesn't go that low. Needs to have the
> ability to program any profile I want (within reason).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Seth
>
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does someone have the numbers regarding the amount of federal money that
GM used to develop the EV1? I'm trying to gather all the facts I can on
the subject... from what I understand GM spent a total of about $1billion
developing the EV1, and I'd heard that they spend as much rolling out a
new year's version of a Saturn, too... anyone have solid figures on that,
too?
thnx in advance
sam
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Chip hit the nail right on the head.
We are being mocked in Arizona. First by the police detaining Chelsea.
Now this little dig at the event.
Dave has suggested some clever ways to respond. Keep those ideas
coming!
Marc
On Mar 18, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Chip Gribben wrote:
Hey everyone,
Come to think of it. The AZ Republic piece isn't just purely based on
misinformation.
It's a joke. And the joke is directed at us, the EV community,
primarily the
Phoenix EAA.
Someone or people at the AZ Republic, who have been following the EV-1
Vigil, thought it would be funny to write this blurb by insinuating
EVs are
"dinosaurs" and knowing they are being destroyed wrote an article as
if the
cars would be on display by the Phoenix EAA.
If I was the Phoenix EAA and the EAA organization I would demand a
public
apology. They took an upcoming Phoenix EAA event and made a joke out
of it.
And the AZ Republic is wrong. GM is really the dinosaur.
I wouldn't be surprised if the AZ Republic is run by some neo-con Rush
Slimeball type media conglomerate. Just by the name, it sounds like it
is.
For whatever reason those types love to publically bash EVs at every
opportunity.
The folks at the GM Proving Grounds are probably laughing their heads
off
about it. It made their Friday.
This realization came from Dave Goldstein, EVA/DC Prez, who read the
article
and came to this conclusion and I'm sharing it with the list. I tend to
agree with Dave.
We need to step up the protests a notch now.
"Electric cars join show in Pavilions parking lot
SCOTTSDALE- See the automotive equivalent of a dinosaur Saturday in the
McDonald's parking lot at the Pavilions, Pima and Indian Bend Roads.
Members
of the Electric Auto Association-Phoenix Chapter will start gathering
with
their EV-1s at about 2 PM and will be available to talk about their
cars
from 4 PM until dark. Unlike most of the classic cars in the lot, the
EV-1s
on display are relatively new, the product of a four-year GM
experiment with
electric cars."
Chip Gribben
Save the EV1
http://www.savetheev1.org
EVA/DC
http://www.evadc.org
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Its a known problem on this old cars, the rubber isn't enough elastic
anymore to make piston came back when you release the brakes pedal.
Cleaning all and changing all caliper rubber washer is the only solution i
know.
Philippe
Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les v�hicules �lectriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Renualt LeCar
> Lee Hart wrote:
>
> > I have more trouble with my front disk brakes dragging.
>
> I have this trouble too. The way the caliper is designed, whats to
> keep the pads from touching the rotor?
>
> Maybe some sort of modification using a small coiled spring(or two)
> between both brake pads could be used to keep the pads from rubbing on
> the rotors all the time?
>
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The "proffesor" is almost assuredly wrong. (I wouldn't know for sure
until I took one apart.) His diagram is incomplete. On his diagram,
if you split the winding at the center tap into two windings, bring
the end of each out at the split and then connect them together to
create a neutral, then the diagram would be correct.
A center tap is never applied to a stator winding. It would be too
difficult to wind, install or insulate. The two coils (in the case of
a 2 pole machine) are wound and terminated individually. They are
inserted into the stator in separate steps. they are externally
connected as desired - series for 240 volts, parallel for 120. The
connection may be inside the stator case or more usually in the
control box.
In any event, the windings can be reconfigured to produce 120 volts at
full wattage. In his drawing, after you split the coils, you would
connect the TOPS of the two coils together and the BOTTOMS together to
produce the 120 volt parallel connection.
If I were in your shoes and had your needs I'd certainly buy one to
examine. If it turns out that reconfiguring the windings would be too
difficult then you could always take it back.
I got a Northern Tool Catalog today and found a familiar product.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200313480&R=200313480
http://tinyurl.com/5b5vj
The reason this generator is familiar is that I bought one for $129
from one of those Chicom tool vendors at the flea market of the
Daytona Turkey Rod Run a couple of years ago. Mine is painted red and
has the Yamada brand name attached but it's the same generator.
You can see my scooter, trailer and range extender here, bottom of the
page:
http://www.johngsbbq.com/Neon_John_site/Scooter/Three_wheel/Three_wheel_home.htm
In that picture I had a gell cell pack on the trailer as the range
extender. After I ran it down (over 30 miles of walking-pace range) I
put that little generator and a 10 amp charger on the trailer. That
worked great.
I have been quite pleased with mine. It is quiet and reliable and
being a non-inverter generator, works well with battery chargers. I
carry min around on the package shelf of my CitiCar. It will drive
the built-in charger pretty much full-out.
Now that I can get another generator for a little more money in case I
screw mine up, here is what I'm thinking.
I'm going to take mine apart and rewind the stator to directly produce
the voltage I need to charge my pack, through a diode bridge, of
course. When I get it right I'll be able to set the charge rate with
the throttle. This would totally eliminate the need for an expensive
charger.
Rewinding these little stators is quite easy even with only hand
tools. IT's a simple ratio problem. Count the turns. You know the
stock output voltage. Simply multiply the turns count by the ratio of
voltages, increase the wire gauge accordingly and rewind. One can
wind the coil using a wooden form or even as Lee has mentioned, around
nails pounded into a plank. Or you can do it a turn at a time in the
actual stator slots. Maybe one leisurely afternoon's work.
I'll report back when I get around to doing mine.
John
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:38:04 -0800 (PST), TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I answered my own question...
>
>http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/15131645/page/9.cfm
>
>About halfway down is a post from "Proffesor" which
>details the problem. Apparently you can't get more
>than 1000watts from each 110 outlet, they are out of
>phase so you can't combine the output either. I
>thought it sounded to good to be true. He does say
>that they had a ELM3000 generator that would give you
>20 amps out from a single outlet, but they were
>replaced with the Nikota model.
>
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John De Armond
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.johngsbbq.com
http://neonjohn.blogspot.com <-- NEW!
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:39:11 -0600, Ryan Stotts
>Is there some sort of law that requires this? What method is used to
>limit these vehicles to this exact speed?
>
>http://www.pepboys.com/transportation/street_legal_scooters/electric.html
>
>Could these be modified to get more speed out of them? What currently
>limits them? Electronically governed by their controller?
>
A vehicle that large and heavy with only a 750 watt motor (lil' tiny
chinese watts to boot) would see 28 mph only when falling off a cliff.
Assuming the scooter uses an external motor and not a hub motor, the
usual EV hotrod rules apply. More volts, more controller, more motor.
If the motor is external then the scooter might make a good glider.
Interesting article here:
http://www.powersportsbusiness.com/output.cfm?id=927757
Looks like panterramotors.com is gone, gone, gone. Pep Boys has a PDF
spec sheet with a really fuzzy photo that lists
http://www.nikotaUSA.com as the contact but that isn't working here
right now either. The URL resolves to an IP address but there's
nothing on the other end. Makes me think Pep Boys is liquidating
stock from a failed company. Rots o Ruck getting parts if you need
any.
Unfortunately in the fuzzy picture there is what appears to be a hub
motor on the rear wheel. That will probably make juicing the thing up
problematic. Maybe adding a couple more batteries and a suitable
controller to get to 72 volts.
John
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http://www.johngsbbq.com
http://neonjohn.blogspot.com <-- NEW!
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:20:49 -0800, Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Chip hit the nail right on the head.
>We are being mocked in Arizona. First by the police detaining Chelsea.
>Now this little dig at the event.
You're being mocked all over the country. It's really a pretty sad
joke to the rest of us.
Example: the only coverage in this area was in the Page 2 section of
the paper that I call "Stars Behaving Badly". You know, where they
report on who is screwing whom in Hollywood and what rap star was
arrested for what crime in the last 24 hours.
The blurb was about a BoobWatch, er, BayWatch "all silicone all the
time" star being arrested for blocking a truck at a GM facility during
a "save the EV1" demonstration. (average reader: WTF is an EV1?)
Having tossed the TV several years ago I didn't know who Chelsea was
until I saw that article. Now I do. Only because I am involved with
EVs did I know what kind of fruitcake cause the demonstration was
about.
What I continue to wonder about is this. If there is this huge demand
out there for production EVs then why isn't someone building them?
No, not the Big Guys. Tuner shops like Rousch and Saleen and
Lingenfelter who take production vehicles and turn them into hotrods.
Why aren't there shops that have selected a model to specialize in
(like the Saleen Mustang), designed and built an OEM-quality EV
drivetrain and put 'em on the market? There are plenty of rich folks
out there who want to look green who would fund such a startup if
there was a business case to be made. If you offer the appropriate
product then the Big Guys will sell your product. Just like you can
buy a Saleen Mustang from a Ford dealer.
That's the key, I think. There IS NO DEMAND, at least none that
matters commercially. A few hundred True Believers do not a market
make. When someone makes the case for there being a market using
generally accepted methods for the industry (NOT internet petitions or
email bombings or phone trees or....) then the money will be
forthcoming.
I don't see this as being a whole lot different than my BBQ
restaurant. I love BBQ, could eat it 3 meals a day and don't quite
understand why everyone else doesn't. Yet my sober side believes the
National Restaurant Association statistics that say that only about 2%
of the meal parts go to BBQ joints. I could believe with all my heart
in my product and the demand I think should be out there but if I
planned my business accordingly I'd go bust.
If pure EVs ever have a chance (and I don't think they do) then the
advocates are going to have to stop acting like nutcakes and start
selling the product on it real merits. No gas stations, no gas fumes,
no engine, cheaper operation. The environmental claims either trigger
a yawn or the person's lie detector, depending on how much he
understands how electricity is generated and distributed. In the real
world and not some fanciful never-never land.
Brands and segments tend to develop stereotype public images. I got
rid of my gorgeous 635CSi simply because I got tired of being
classified with all the yuppie assholes who now drive BMWs. Or think
what pops to mind when you hear "SUV". Does the same thing happen
when you hear "Pickup Truck"? Essentially the same vehicles.
Buick and Pontiac lost the fight to change their images as brands for
geezers. Similarly, the image of an EV driver is that of a fruity left
coast granola eating tree hugging nutcake. I don't know how many
times I've gotten a variation of the theme "I KNOW you're not an
enviro-whacko so why the EV?"
Answer: because it's fun, it's cheap to operate, I don't have to deal
with the high school dropouts at the gas stations, I refuel at home
and it fits my around town transportation needs better than my regular
cars. THESE are the selling points that will win people over. No
enviro-bleating necessary.
That is going to be a very difficult image to overcome. Silly stuff
like this sit-in only make things worse. I suspect that one of the
main reasons hybrids are doing so well right now is precisely because
they had no public image attached going in.
Something for you True Believers to think about as you munch on your
granola bars....
John
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http://www.johngsbbq.com
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Cleveland, Occupied TN
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