EV Digest 4342
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Ariana EV - another daydream or reality?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: An update regarding my JeepEV
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) AC drive system on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) RE: Lithium chopper?
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: The EClubman is registered
by "djsharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Lithium chopper?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) Re: on board isolation of PFC
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Ariana EV, Horlacher EV's for production is possible - another
daydream or reality?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: GFCI with PFC?
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: GFCI with PFC?
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Anderson vs. "Anderson style" connectors
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Flexible instrumentation
by mreish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Anderson vs. "Anderson style" connectors
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Flexible instrumentation
by Matt Holthausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Cheap DC/DC converters 600W Vicor Mega Mod $45
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16) Re: Ariana EV, Horlacher EV's for production is possible - another
daydream or reality?
by pekka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: AC drive system on eBay
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Flexible instrumentation
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: The EClubman is registered
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Anderson vs. "Anderson style" connectors
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: pc instrumentation
by john fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Anderson vs. "Anderson style" connectors
by Andrew Letton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Prius PLUG INs Company BACKGROUNDS ??
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Anderson vs. "Anderson style" connectors
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: The EClubman is registered
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Prius PLUG INs Company BACKGROUNDS ??
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Non-isolated charger stuff
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Do Sparrow fans know this company?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) TdS Report #22: Tour de Sol Events at Saratoga's Spring Auto Show
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<<<Dear listers, especially you down-under: has anybody actually seen the
Ariana 797 4 seater that could be preordered now, placing a deposit of
30% of the estimated selling price to their banking account? Is it a
real possibility or vaporware?
Amongst all the claims about nobody producing EV's and Jerry with his
group of experts trying to get 2-seater Freedom EV on the road in the
near future, it would seem like a good candidate. Low cd, small size and
to me, good looking design with enough range for the higher priced models.
It would be wonderful if it were true, but in this day and age of web
designers, photoshopping and scam companies like Zap, with a lot of talk
and no substance... it looks too good to be true. I could not tell if
there are actual photos of the car on their site, or only renderings.
If somebody can confirm that this is a real product and could actually
be bought, I think $14,300...$22,000 would be affordable enough. The top
of the line model with an anticipated price tag of 32k-usd is too high
for me but still less than many trendy small cars cost around here
(Finland, the promised land of automobile taxes).
Any takers?
Pekka Tarvainen>>>
Cute car! Looks a like a Horlacher design. You would think with all their
"innovations" [http://www.ariana-ev.com/innovation.htm], they'd get better than
a claimed 140wh/km = 225wh/mi [http://www.ariana-ev.com/ariana796i.htm or
http://www.ariana-ev.com/797spec.htm]. That innovation page has some
interesting patents: recharge in 5 minutes (max they offer currently is
4.5kW/h), charge a car without human contact, and a system that, besides
notifying you of a blown fuse, "if it is defined in the program, the vehicle�s
electric intelligent system could change the fuse." - I assumed they meant
reroute the circuit, not go in and physically swap out the fuse! I did note use
kW/h instead of kWh, but on the whole, it seems awefully convincing...until I
think of that 5 minute recharge of their 20 or 30kwh pack!
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From: "Nick Viera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Several times recently, when I've been pulling high battery/ motor
currents for like 5+ seconds at a time (i.e. flooring it to accelerate up
a large hill). my Zilla 1K has randomly freaked out on me.
my bet is your voltge drops and the dc dc can't keep up , the 12v supply
drops and the zilla opens the contactor . I've had this happen when I hit
the brakes with the lights on ,
In doing
so, it throws out the main contactor leaving me powerless :-/. Otmar has
been great at helping me to figure out what's causing this,
lots of way's to fix it , bigger dc to dc converter ,
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OK, which one of youz guyz is "evdoc", and why didn't you mention this? Out of
my league, but looks like a deal:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4548363524
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Michael Hurley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The big black box at the front looks like a Brusa charge
Close; it is a charger, but a Zivan NG1, not a Brusa.
The open frame blob just behind it is probably a switchmode supply being
used as the DC/DC.
> >I don't see room for a usable amount of batteries.
I think the first photo link originally posted showed the bare frame,
and it looked to me like the batteries were being hidden inside it, just
above the swingarm pivot (or where the pivot would be if this were a
soft-tail).
Cheers,
Roger.
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Congrats Mark
David Sharpe
with registered Diahatsu Charade (9" motor)in Melbourne Vic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Fowler
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 1:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: The EClubman is registered
Hi all,
Just a quick note to let you know that my electric PRB Clubman is now
registered and ready to drive the streets of Sydney.
He he - it only took two years :-)
It's not finished yet, of course, but is finished enough for the RTA to
let me drive it on the road.
Mark Fowler
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> The pictures don't show an electric motor anywhere.
> The only thing that looks like one is the harley trans
> which has the chain on one side of the bike and the
> primary drive belt on the other. The motor must be
> inside the S&S engine case, but the area inside the
> case for the crankshaft is rather small since these
> motors have a dry sump. seems like a wasted
> opportunity.
>
> Gadget
>
>
Well, if *you* got your lithium pack for one of Chaz Haba's "investors'
nightmare" companies, you too would want to hide that fact from public view!
The looks would fall short if someone of the Sturgis ilk realized it was just a
"motorcade vehicle"; now, take the same beautiful design, but fill the tranny
section with a 8" motor and Z1K, and fill the entire engine are with 40Ah
Kokams (8"x8.5"x0.5", 2.3#, 400A pk) and top that with a "gas tank" that opens
like a clam shell to reveal a PFC50. Don't know the actual dimensions of a
typical chopper, but if you could fit 120 cells as "triplets", that's 148V nom.
pack (168V fully charged), 1200A pk, from less than 300# of li-poly (and none of
the "stigma of Chaz"). That's so pretty awesome power. Seems $50K for the
mechanicals is in the same ballpark as what these chopper builders are used
to...
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On 5/6/05, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If I rigged up some way of limiting the current automagicaly when
> connected to the iso transformer, could I use one of those small 240 to
> 110 step down transformers, wired backwards as an ISO ? I have one now
> that is about 10 lbs I use to work on 240V computers and monitors on my
> bench.
These are often autotransformers, especially if suspiciously light for
the rating. They are not isolated. However, a small toroid
transformer with a fan would probably let you use a lighter than
normal transformer - with isolation. Say a 1200 or 1500W rated one -
these are commonly available with 120 or 240V primaries and 55-0-55V
secondary for power amps etc. Perhaps the PFC charger would run off
one of these at a suitable rate.
--
EVan
http://www.tuer.co.uk/evs2
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Hi Pekka, Cowtown and All,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> <<<Dear listers, especially you down-under: has
> anybody actually seen the
> Ariana 797 4 seater that could be preordered now,
> placing a deposit of
> 30% of the estimated selling price to their banking
> account? Is it a
> real possibility or vaporware?
I'd hold on to your money for now.
>
> Amongst all the claims about nobody producing EV's
> and Jerry with his
> group of experts trying to get 2-seater Freedom EV
Just about to put the final coat on the plug. It's
been really damp lately so prevented from doing that
but today looks much drier. Also modifed the
windshield, roof/side edge for a larger round to cut
aero drag and make it easier to pop fron the mold.
Handling a 1.5" radius router was a bear!!! But worth
it as it probably cut it's drag 2-5% depending on
crosswind componant.
> on the road in the
> near future, it would seem like a good candidate.
Nothing basicly wrong with it that can't easily be
done though some of the hype is overdone which worries
me.
> Low cd, small size and
The aero CD will be rather high which is too bad
as for little more money, just by rounding the front,
roof corners and making the rear a kammback, the aero
could be rather good. Or at least put a small
spoiler just above the rear window would do about the
same thing though a kammback has better cargo room,
utility for a given size.
But the sharp front edges and steep rear curve
will create a lot of vortexes, thus aero drag as it
is.
> to me, good looking design with enough range for the
> higher priced models.
I guess looks is in the eye of the beholder ;-))
>
> It would be wonderful if it were true, but in this
> day and age of web
> designers, photoshopping and scam companies like
> Zap, with a lot of talk
> and no substance... it looks too good to be true. I
> could not tell if
> there are actual photos of the car on their site, or
> only renderings.
They look real but hard to tell nowdays.
>
> If somebody can confirm that this is a real product
> and could actually
> be bought, I think $14,300...$22,000 would be
> affordable enough. The top
> of the line model with an anticipated price tag of
> 32k-usd is too high
> for me but still less than many trendy small cars
> cost around here
> (Finland, the promised land of automobile taxes).
>
> Any takers?
With 4 wheels they are not likely to be able to be
imported to the US except as a 30mph NEV of limited
driving area.
>
> Pekka Tarvainen>>>
>
> Cute car! Looks a like a Horlacher design. You would
It's cute in a Beatle kind of way.
I really likle the Horlacher line of EV's, hybrids.
I wish they would put them into production or
someone buy the designs and produce them. They are
well designed and easy to build it seems by a
knowledgeable composite company that knows what they
are doing. I to a degree have copied them. And they
have done some crash testing!!
I'd bet they would be happy to build the bodies for
someone who wanted to do the rest as composite are
their business.
Someone could quickly get into the EV business that
way for a reasonable amount of money.
And if it is one of the 3wh version, could easily
import to the US. Or import the bodies from them and
finish them here.
You could fit a lot in a cargo container and be
fairly cheap to ship to a big port on the east coast,
under $300/body probably for shipping.
Pekka, could you talk anyone in Europe into this
for your use?
A 3wh one could be imported, built for much less
than the Smart and sold for a low price at a good
profit, just like mine.
Many of them or one like the Ariana could be built
for between $10k-$20k in composites in EV drive.
> think with all their
> "innovations"
> [http://www.ariana-ev.com/innovation.htm], they'd
Thanks for the URL.
> get better than
> a claimed 140wh/km = 225wh/mi
I'd bet that's because of the bad aero that's
easily corrected.
> [http://www.ariana-ev.com/ariana796i.htm or
> http://www.ariana-ev.com/797spec.htm]. That
> innovation page has some
> interesting patents: recharge in 5 minutes (max they
That statement worries me.
> offer currently is
> 4.5kW/h), charge a car without human contact, and a
> system that, besides
> notifying you of a blown fuse, "if it is defined in
> the program, the vehicle�s
> electric intelligent system could change the fuse."
> - I assumed they meant
> reroute the circuit, not go in and physically swap
> out the fuse! I did note use
> kW/h instead of kWh, but on the whole, it seems
> awefully convincing...until I
> think of that 5 minute recharge of their 20 or 30kwh
> pack!
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
>
>
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(Comment from below) If something is hardwired in a garage etc. there must
be a (within reach) wall mount switchable circuit breaker to shut off the
appliance in case of emergency per Nat Elec Code. This is in case you are
getting zapped or caught in a machine shop drill press/lathe etc. I had to
add an extra one for my charger and set it to 30A-240vac so it would trip
first since the other one in series in the house (main breaker panel) is 35A
hvac rated. This prevents me from having to run in the house every time I
short something (and also meet the Elec Code). It helps when there's smoke
pouring out of something, you can just slap the local breaker nearby.
Also for GFI, I use an isolated charger but center tap with a 30A breaker
the battery pack to the frame (similar to the Canadian battery room specs I
used to use when working at Magnetic Bearings). There is a bridge/sonalert
across the breaker so when it trips (from a wire rubbing through somewhere)
you get a beep so you are alerted before two wires touch to the frame (and
get a fireball like happened to me in the 70's on a Citi-Car and rednecks
stop by to roast marshmellows.) Center tapping the pack has the benifit of
limiting the shock potential to 1/2 pack voltage (60V in my case) not
drifting up to some nasty voltage as with an isolated pack with leakage. A
secondary benifit is when the DC converter dies, an emergency switch can be
flipped to a 12V tap to get you home. This setup has been my favorite over
the last 30 years (along with the engage solenoid <that applies power to the
controller when you start to depress the accelerator peddle> and bypass on
the throttle <in case the controller dies when a Mac Truck is behind you on
the freeway> for safety).
Mark in Roanoke, VA
BTW, I'll be at the Wind Expo in Denver convention floor May 17th & 18th and
going on the Green Energy Tour the 19th. Then Fri morning I'm dropping by
Sacremento and going through Point Reyes and Inverness (where Bob Wing
lived) and hiking in the Redwood National forest Sat & Sun. I'll drive back
down on Monday & take a red-eye back here for Tues morning. If any EV'ers
want to meet let me know.
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: GFCI with PFC?
> Christopher Zach wrote:
> > Hm. Isn't a Magnecharger not technically an "outlet" per se, more of a
> > device (and a UL listed one as well)? My MC is hard wired to the
> > line/box with no access to a plug of sorts.
>
> There are both permanently-wired and plug-connected Magnachargers. GM
> wanted the 6.6kw EV1 chargers permanently wired, I believe, to get
> around the GFCI requirement. But the smaller 120v one is cord-connected.
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
> --
> Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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On 5/5/05, Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > PS: You may run into building code problems with your electrician if he
> > is a stickler for doing thing by the book. NEC says all outside outlets
> > must have GFCIs. But GM's charger won't work with a standard GFCI, so
> > they tell you not to use one. Good luck!
>
> Hm. Isn't a Magnecharger not technically an "outlet" per se, more of a
> device (and a UL listed one as well)? My MC is hard wired to the
> line/box with no access to a plug of sorts.
Do these chargers have a metal case or exposed metal parts, or are
they all plastic and have the "double insulation"
square-within-a-square symbol?
If it's metal, and the green wire is connected to the case, and it's
outdoors, you would definitely want a GFCI / RCD breaker on it.
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Hello to All,
Roger Stockton wrote:
> Because the different colour housings are mechanically keyed to prevent
> mating of differently coloured connectors. (Of course, John Wayland's
> testing suggests that there may be fewer mechanical keying schemes than
> colours, such that black and grey Andersons share the same mechanical
> keying scheme and can therefore be mixed.)
>
> The different colours correspond to different voltages:
>
> 12V = yellow
> 18V = orange
> 24V = red
> 36V = grey
> 48V = blue
> 72V = green
> 80V = black
> 96V = brown
> 120V = purple
> 144V = white
>
> This is Anderson's recommended voltage key colour code; all colours are
> UL rated for 600V and most EVs simply use the grey connectors regardless
> of the actual voltage.
>
Victor wrote:
> It says "Different color housings are selected to identify voltages".
> So it is just another type of labeling then, which also identifies voltages.
>
> This is to help human being to note that he must pay attention and
> mating parts may have different voltages. That only works if *you* set
> the system for yourself to always use only grey for 36V appliances,
> black for 48V (or whatever color) and so on. It will not *prevent* you
> (as implied in Anderson's paper) from plugging in wrong color if you
> want to. In fact - looks like red physically prevents it, but gray and
> black don't. Go figure. Very smart.
Roger, thanks for posting the chart. Those of us in the forklift business, know
the
'suggested voltage' chart well, as it's a universal thing in our world. Go up
to most any
24V Raymond, Crown, Yale, Hyster, or any other brand fork lift, stock picker,
or pallet
jack, and you can count on finding a red Anderson type connector...oh yeah, for
some
reason, they're called 'SB' connectors in the forklift industry. Go up to the
any 36V
electric lift truck, and grey is what one expects to find...and yes, blue
denotes a 48V
truck.
There are exceptions, of course. One of my accounts uses blue for any 24V
machine, and
grey for all the 36V machines. It works, because it's what 'they' established
years ago as
'their' standard, and it still keeps dissimilar voltages from being snapped
together. My
little J30BS Hyster forklift, a 24V machine, came from this warehouse, so it
has blue
Andersons. If it was to go back into service at some other customer location
one day, it
would be prudent to have its blue connectors swapped for red ones, again,
because red is
the universally accepted color for 24V.
Victor, the color coding and non-mating of dissimilar colors (except black as
it turns
out) is very useful in the countless numbers of huge warehouses I regularly go
to, where
20, 30, even as high as 100+ electric lift trucks are all whirring about doing
the hard
work they do. The Warehousemen that operate these trucks aren't 'into'
technology like so
many of we EVers are...they simply come to work, get on their respective
trucks, and put
in their 8 hours. They don't know, or for that matter, want to know anything
about how or
why their lift trucks operate. These same operators are responsible for the
charging of
their batteries, often times using a gantry crane to pull out and exchange
3000+ lb.
batteries in a 5 minute time interval. In this fast paced lift this - stuff
that world of
hard working electric trucks, the color coding-non mating dissimilar color
thing is a
godsend. Operators just look for the right color connector, and even if they
zone out and
forget to look at the color, they will soon find out they can't plug in the
wrong charger
to the wrong battery, or the wrong battery into the wrong truck.
Is the system perfect? No. Many of the less 'brilliant' operators have been
known to
mutilate and modify a blue connector so that it mates into a grey
connector....use your
imagination to figure out the results of such crazed behavior! The stuff I have
to deal
with on a daily basis at some of my more abusive accounts, would make your hair
stand up!
OK, more info on the mysterious black connectors. In the 50 amp size, black
mates to
either black or grey, but it does not mate to red. I didn't have a blue 50 amp
size to
test, so I can't speak to that right now. The black and grey 50 amp size
connectors, are
identical. So, it appears that in the 50 amp variety, black is not
'universal', but it
does mate to two colors, black and grey. I guess the same can be said for the
50 amp grey
one, too.
In the 175 amp size, it gets more interesting. Some pallet jack built-in
chargers come
with a 175 amp black DC output connector, but this connector can mate into all
of the
other colors. It lacks the male pin on the wall opposite the wall that has the
contact
tips, allowing any other colored connector to mate to it. So at least in the
175 amp size,
the black connector is indeed, universal.
I'll do some more research into all this, and if anything else interesting pops
up, I'll
report on it.
See Ya.....John Wayland
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Could you take a palmtop PC running Windows CE and read both your Link 10
and Zilla controller simultaneously? You can find palmtop PCs with color
display for around $100, which is about the same as a standard 2" voltmeter
and ammeter from EVParts. The palmtop could be much more useful though.
And of course whoever decides to do this will make all the code
open-source, so
we all get to play with it. :-)
This is something I've been thinking about for quite some time (not
that I have any solutions, mind you) and wonder if there's enough
interest that maybe I should create a dash/data acquisition listserve?
The idea being to create an Open Source solution with no 'dues' and
no money exchanging hands.
--
The Electric Motorcycle Portal
http://www.electricmotorcycles.net/
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John Wayland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ...oh yeah, for some reason,
> they're called 'SB' connectors in the forklift industry.
FWIW, the reason is that this style connector is the 'SB' series model.
It was invented by Anderson, however, I assume the patent has expired
now or they have licensed the design to other manufacturers since one
can readily find virtually identical connectors from SMH, etc.
Cheers,
Roger.
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This link has pricing and voltages, but no current rating.
http://www.gumstix.com/spexwaysmalls.html
HTH
Matt
On May 5, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Roger Stockton wrote:
Lightning Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about one of these, for a low power fast boot computer?
http://www.gumstix.com/
Looks slick, but no power spec that I could find, and no price either.
The downside for someone like myself is that I'm not familiar with
Linux
and would therefore look toward a platform that I'm more familiar with
the programming of.
Patrick Plummer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at www.mp3car.com for a number of Car PC
solutions.
VIA makes a nice chipset and motherboard for car and other
applications called the M10000. Low power and VERY small
footprint.
I didn't see a power spec anywhere (didn't search very long though).
The killer here is price: $400-700 for the PC + $90-150 for a power
supply + $300-450 for a display/touchscreen.
I suppose it comes down to what you want a PC in your car for, but the
original suggestion was for replacing EV specific guages that cost on
the order of $100 each.
I would suggest that a more reasonable platform might be the PC104.
For gauge driving/E-meter data logging, one needs nothing more than a
386 (less actually, but I couldn't find anything lower powered ;^).
A WinSystems PCM-SX (386/33) consumes 375mA @5V and is just 3.6"x3.8".
No display driver, so you'd interface it to a serial or parallel
LCD/VFD
display. No need for Windows or Linux; you'd just write your code in
QBasic under DOS. By contrast, their PCM-586 (133MHz 586) consumes
1.2A
@ 5V. If you really want to just plug in an off-the-shelf video
display, there is the SAT-SXPlus (386/33 with video and ethernet) which
consumes 900mA @ 5V (with 2Mb DRAM).
For comparison, Kontron offers the MOPS/386A (40MHz 386), which
consumes
430mA @ 5V, but has an operating temperature range of just 0 to +60C
while the WinSystems offerings state -40C to +85C.
I didn't stumble across prices for the 386 PC104 single board
computers,
but expect them to be about $100. Add on a serial LCD or VFD display
for
$30-50 and I think this is an economically viable alternative to the
used Palm/handheld.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Whoops, I meant 15V, not 12V.
On 5/5/05, 0eucdmg3wnbfuc001-at-sneakemail.com |vehicle/1.0-Allow|
<...> wrote:
> I bought one, and it does work (converts 102V to 12V). But my
> application has a very tiny current draw, so I can't confirm it
> supplies the 600W they claim. It does not come with a heatsink, so
> you'd certainly need to add one if you were drawing significant
> wattage off it.
>
> Richard
> 1997 Chevy S-10E
> 1981 Jet Electrica
> Huntington Beach, CA
>
> On 5/1/05, Claudio Natoli claudio.natoli-at-memetrics.com
> |vehicle/1.0-Allow| <...> wrote:
> >
> > Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> > > I kow there are a few folks out there looking for affordable DC-DC
> > > converters. While searching for something else, I came across this:
> > > http://www.halted.com/ccp11977-dc-dc-converter-150v-15v-600watt-vi-n52-em-19678.htm
> >
> > Resurrecting an old thread. Just wondering if anyone picked up some of
> > these and whether they had luck with 'em?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Claudio
> >
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jerry dycus wrote:
Hi Pekka, Cowtown and All,
Pekka, could you talk anyone in Europe into this
for your use?
Yes, the Horlacher designs look good and seem to be of high quality and
sound engineering. However, they are just prototypes and therefore
probably hand made one-offs. For the Freedom EV, you are making
production molds but it is highly improbable that Horlacher would have
done so. And, their partners are mostly energy departments and other
well financed entities - not for the poor individual is my guess.
Much to my disappontment I noticed that the EVproduction group is no
longer readable to guests. I understand this all too well but it would
be very interesting to see how the car will look like. Well, reading the
first 500 or something posts took too much time anyway... :-)
Pekka
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I chatted with evdoc a few weeks ago. He had a Dolphin inverter up there
on Ebay and we discussed selling all of his Dolphins. Bart picked three
up and another person on our list picked up the other one.
As a result two of the Hughes Dolphin crew got their cars running and we
now have two more for other people. This is a very good thing.
Apparently he worked on the Hughes side back in the 1990's. He seems to
be fair and reasonable.
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, which one of youz guyz is "evdoc", and why didn't you mention this? Out of
my league, but looks like a deal:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4548363524
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Rush,
SIADIS is DOS application, and the only application on my stylistic
(thereare file view/transfer utilities, etc, unrelated).
I bought it off ebay for $50, it came with W95 installed.
I never tried to install anything else on it since I knew
the sole purpose of this will be running one single DOS application.
Victor
Rush wrote:
Victor,
What OS are you running? The specs on the website
http://www.surplussales.com/ComputerAccess/fujitsu.html say 'Made for Windows
95', even with the max RAM, 32 MB it will not run Win 2000 or XP, so it is
either win 95 or 98, correct?
Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Flexible instrumentation
Sorry, corection - 12V power to my stylistic was taken from KL30 net,
so external power to is is lost when ignition is off. This makes
PC to switch to internal battery which in turn forces to
hibernate after timeout.
I think (unverified though) you can force it in BIOS to hibernate
while on external power too.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Congratulations!
Nice to hear, as my 7 years old daughter says, "from the
world where people walk up side down" :-)
Victor
Mark Fowler wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick note to let you know that my electric PRB Clubman is now
registered and ready to drive the streets of Sydney.
He he - it only took two years :-)
It's not finished yet, of course, but is finished enough for the RTA to
let me drive it on the road.
Mark Fowler
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John Wayland wrote:
> OK, more info on the mysterious black connectors. In the 50 amp
size, black mates to
either black or grey, but it does not mate to red. I didn't have a blue 50 amp
size to
test, so I can't speak to that right now. The black and grey 50 amp size
connectors, are
identical. So, it appears that in the 50 amp variety, black is not
'universal', but it
does mate to two colors, black and grey. I guess the same can be said for the
50 amp grey
one, too.
Since black and gray are not *color* ones, can this have something
to do with allowing color blind operators to see the identical
*colors* (for these two) as non-color bling people see?
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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sorry if this has been done to death, I can't read the whole list-
( how come you prolix EV folks don't have a BBS? )
so maybe helpful or not:
Best choice for low cost portable computing by far is a used quality
laptop off Ebay. ( or an out-of-date but new surplus model)
For a few hundred bucks you get plenty of power to run Linux, and a BIG
screen and real keyboard.
The power drain is irrelevant, I think, because you should retain the
battery, and just charge it when you charge the car.
You can run Windoze or Mac instead if thats what you have for software.
An old Powerbook with RealBasic would work pretty well.
OTOH if I were building an Ebike, I'd use a PDA to save weight and
space.
carry on.
John
--
John Fisher at home
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I think that might be giving too much credit to Anderson.
FWIW, the good friend of mine who's color blind sees red and grey as the
same "color".
cheers,
Andrew
Victor Tikhonov wrote:
John Wayland wrote:
> OK, more info on the mysterious black connectors. In the 50 amp
size, black mates to
either black or grey, but it does not mate to red. I didn't have a
blue 50 amp size to
test, so I can't speak to that right now. The black and grey 50 amp
size connectors, are
identical. So, it appears that in the 50 amp variety, black is not
'universal', but it
does mate to two colors, black and grey. I guess the same can be said
for the 50 amp grey
one, too.
Since black and gray are not *color* ones, can this have something
to do with allowing color blind operators to see the identical
*colors* (for these two) as non-color bling people see?
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Steve Valence is the BIg new coming Lithium battery of choice.
I have customers that have them and are really happy. But very expensive.
Stuffing the best Valence into a Prius, then connecting up the PFC20... and
they may be using a PFC20..... You get 40 to 50 miles range, and still have
your tank of gas to burn IF you have to.
The concept is mediocre range, but Plug in support if you can get it. With
luck .... you don't ever need to use the petrol based fuel.
The next step is the deifinition of the "Fuel" If it's Mideast Gasoline,
bad, if that gas has %80 American made Ethonal, then the amount of fossil
fuel in the "Fuel" is even less, and your aparent miles per gallon of the
"Fossil Fuel" is now 5 times was it was. This is how you get 500 miles per
gallon.....of fossil fuels.
Of course Us EVers will get even more since we won't use that fuel.... if we
absolutley don't have to.
Rich Rudman
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From: "Steven Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR" <[email protected]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: Prius PLUG INs Company BACKGROUNDS ??
> This POST really has me "Charged UP" !!!
>
> If these folks can really give the Prius Owners a "Plug-In" mod. for a
> reasonable cost, and JACK their fuel usage from 40-45 to over 100
> week in - week out this is the stepping Stone, NO the Holy Grail
> to more Pure BEV's we are all waiting for..... !!!
>
> Before I sell my house, resign from the Presidency of the Seattle EV
> Association, etc. etc. would like more background on these companies
> involved.
>
> Question ONE: Are they an off-shoot of CalCars.org who have been
> working towards this Plug-In Prius Hybrid for some time ??
>
> 2. Who are: a. Energy Control Systems Engineering
> b. Clean-Tech LLC
> c. Valence Technology ( sounds vaguely familiar...)
>
> Is it all vapor ware, made out of "un-obtainium" or ... ARE they on
> the BRINK of T H E N E X T B I G T H I N G
>
>
> Geeeezzzzz..... the concept has merit !
>
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
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That's the point - red and gray do not mate, so your friend will not
be able to mate the same (to him) colors. But he can tell black
from gray.
But I agree - this perhaps would be too much of a credit to Anfderson
to think about this...
Victor
Andrew Letton wrote:
I think that might be giving too much credit to Anderson.
FWIW, the good friend of mine who's color blind sees red and grey as the
same "color".
cheers,
Andrew
Victor Tikhonov wrote:
John Wayland wrote:
> OK, more info on the mysterious black connectors. In the 50 amp
size, black mates to
either black or grey, but it does not mate to red. I didn't have a
blue 50 amp size to
test, so I can't speak to that right now. The black and grey 50 amp
size connectors, are
identical. So, it appears that in the 50 amp variety, black is not
'universal', but it
does mate to two colors, black and grey. I guess the same can be said
for the 50 amp grey
one, too.
Since black and gray are not *color* ones, can this have something
to do with allowing color blind operators to see the identical
*colors* (for these two) as non-color bling people see?
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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At 9:42 AM -0700 on 5/6/05, Victor Tikhonov wrote:
Nice to hear, as my 7 years old daughter says, "from the
world where people walk up side down" :-)
Indeed. The Antipodes.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in
sort of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand
naked women screaming and throwing little pickles
at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
- Real Genius
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At 08:46 PM 5/5/05 -0700, you wrote:
This POST really has me "Charged UP" !!!
If these folks can really give the Prius Owners a "Plug-In" mod. for a
reasonable cost, and JACK their fuel usage from 40-45 to over 100
week in - week out this is the stepping Stone, NO the Holy Grail to
more Pure BEV's we are all waiting for..... !!!
Before I sell my house, resign from the Presidency of the Seattle EV
Association, etc. etc. would like more background on these companies
involved.
Question ONE: Are they an off-shoot of CalCars.org who have been working
towards this Plug-In Prius Hybrid for some time ??
2. Who are: a. Energy Control Systems Engineering
b. Clean-Tech LLC
c. Valence Technology ( sounds vaguely familiar...)
Is it all vapor ware, made out of "un-obtainium" or ... ARE they on the
BRINK of T H E N E X T B I G T H I N G
They're real, as far as I can tell. Energy CS is working with
CalCars. They built the second PRIUS+ prototype, using Valence lithium
batteries. From what I have heard, Valence are VERY spendy.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 21:33:17 -0500, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>The local power company here offers this:
>
>http://www.oge.com/es/rc/wd/watts-dog.asp
>
>I'd like to see what the "external meter collar" looks like and what
>exactly it is and what it does. Any guesses or info on it?
>
Yup. I have a couple of those laying around here somewhere. IT's a
good idea that the utilities are turning into a scam.
the device itself is a plastic thing the diameter of the meter base
and about 2" thick. It plugs in where the meter went and the meter
plugs into it. It contains some heavy duty MOVs and spark gaps. One
of the utilities I consult to buys 'em for about $20 in decent
quantities. Here's the scam. They rent the thing for about $6/month!
Forever. Just like the bad old phone company.
The biggest problem with this gadget is that it depends practically
100% on the quality of the ground system. Around here that can be
pretty poor. A single little rod driven to some unknown depth under
the meter does not a lightning sink make.
John
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John De Armond
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Does anyone knows what this company is and what is it
doing to the sparrows other than praying (this last
activity is just emphasized too much)?
http://www.myersmotors.com/
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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TdS Report #22: Tour de Sol Events at Saratoga's Spring Auto Show
So notes to help you plan your trip to the Tour de Sol in Saratoga Springs New
York ...
The 2005 Tour de Sol
The Sustainable Energy and Transportation Festival and Competition
at Saratoga's Spring Auto Show
Saratoga Spa State Park
Saturday May 14 2005
10am-5pm
(rain date May 15)
Admission: $7, free under 12
- Monte Carlo-style Rally & 100mpg Challenge
- Tour de Sol Championship
- E-bike, scooter, and NEV events
If it reduces oil use and greenhouse gas emissions, you'll see it at the Tour
de Sol! The 50-vehicle display will showcase the winners of the Monte
Carlo-style Rally, and Tour de Sol and E-bike participants. There will be
many exhibits by auto companies and government leaders that show real
world examples of clean transportation solutions that strive for zero climate
change emissions and reduced oil use.
- Hybrid vehicles including new SUVs
- Hydrogen and natural gas vehicles
- Biofueled vehicles
- Advanced technologies & fuels
- Student and industry-built concept vehicles
With gasoline prices soaring, oil wars in the Middle East, and greenhouse
gases 25% higher than at any time over the last 400,000 years, there is no
better time to explore transportation options. Developing and using climate
friendly, secure and non-toxic energy to power our economy and our
transportation system and improve our health and quality of life is an
achievable goal.
Presented by
Northeast Sustainable Energy Association
www.NESEA.org
Schedule of Events, Saturday, May 14 (rain date May 15)
10:00 am Open
Workshop Schedule - each 20 minutes long, at Tour de Sol banner
10:30 am Tour of Student-built vehicles in the Tour de Sol Championship
11:30 am Design and Construct a Prototype Hybrid
Mike Seal
Vehicle Research Institute
Western Washington University
12:30 pm Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles
James Dunn
Center for Technology Commercialization
1:30 pm Owning & Servicing a Hybrid
Craig Van Batenburg
Auto Career Development Center
3:00 pm Monte Carlo-style Rally Awards at the Hall of Springs
5:00 pm Saratoga's Spring Auto Show closes
5:30 pm Autocross event in SPAC E50 Parking Lot
Exhibit Highlights:
Monte Carlo-style Rally & 100-MPG Challenge:
Dozens of owners of hybrid cars and diesel vehicles that run on biodiesel have
driven their cars from around the country and Canada to compete in this new fun
rally. Cash prizes will be awarded during the 3 pm awards ceremony to the most
efficient drivers and the car with the least greenhouse gas emissions. A
$5,000 prize is reserved for the most efficient vehicle that exceeds 100-mpg!
Special support from Stewart's Shops, Environmental Alternatives, and Automotive
Career Development Center.
Tour de Sol Championship:
Over a dozen student-built vehicles competing in the Tour de Sol Championship,
which aims to work toward zero oil and greenhouse gas emission vehicles,
including two solar assisted vehicles from New York State - Cato Meridian and
West Irondequoit High Schools; purpose-built hybrid biofuel vehicles; battery-
electric vehicles from Maine to Washington State, and much more. Cash prizes
awarded May 16.
E-bikes and NEVs:
Over a dozen electric bikes and neighborhood electric vehicles (NEVs) will
demonstrate new fun ways of getting around your community with zero emission
vehicles. Organized by RunAbout Cycles, a range event and awards will be held
May 15.
Industry and Government displays:
Clean vehicles for sale from auto companies, and displays from business and
government leaders working together to produce clean transportation solutions
in New York State and beyond will be showcased.
- Three new hybrid SUVs that all get 30 mpg or better in the EPA city
driving cycle -
Toyota Highlander
Lexus RX 400h
Ford Escape
- Hybrid sedans -
45-70 mpg by Honda and Toyota
- Hydrogen displays including:
Honda's hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, the FCX
a hydrogen NEV by the Center for Technology Commercialization
the U.S. Department of Energy
- Compressed Natural Gas vehicles -
from light cars to heavy trucks and buses
- Advanced lithium batteries for zero emission vehicles -
a battery electric vehicle from Electrovaya
a plug-in hybrid from Valence Corporation
- Biodiesel suppliers and vehicles -
Environmental Alternatives
Quebec Advanced Transportation Institute's biodiesel SMART
NYS's Vogelbilt
Ford250
and more
- Clean vehicles in use in New York State Parks
- Case studies and information resources from
New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA)
the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
the New York Power Authority (NYPA)
Capital Region Clean Communities organization
Presented by Northeast Sustainable Energy Association
www.NESEA.org
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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