EV Digest 4373
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) TdS Report #51: Tour de Sol Detailed Scoring
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) TdS Report #49: Tour de Sol Championship Team Rankings and Awards
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) Re: 2005 Power of DC June 11th
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) New buggy pan (was: RE: Madman & Plasma Boy do Earth Day)
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: AC Motor Suppliers
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Report #51: Tour de Sol Detailed Scoring -- correction
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) battery sales center
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8) Re: EVLN(Korea's first electric car, available March 2006)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Geo EV URL & contact info.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Simple testing question, but major baby steps for me
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) SVEAA Rally: Saturday September 24th, Palo Alto HS
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Are these TDS Calculations RIGHT ???
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: battery sales center
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) New product from Optima...
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) 1-wire vs 3-wire alternator article
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Fwd: Re: EV Transmissions
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Water cooled AC Motor, inverter, or Zilla?
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: battery sales center
by "darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Siemens system Q's
by Richard Bebbington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: battery sales center
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Re: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: battery sales center
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: battery sales center
by "darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Are these TDS Calculations RIGHT ???
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
28) Re: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: 2005 Power of DC June 11th
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: battery sales center
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) RE: Siemens system Q's
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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TdS Report #51: Tour de Sol Detailed Scoring
The results and detailed scoring of the Tour de Sol competitions
have been published on the NESEA website.
http://www.nesea.org/transportation/tour/05pressinfo.html
Below are links to the individual reports in HTML and PDF formats.
Championship Race Summary and detailed scoring:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports/Tour_de_Sol-RESULTS_stats_summary.pdf
Electric Bike and Neighborhood Vehicle competition awards and detailed scoring:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports/E-Bike_+_NEVs-RESULTS_table.html
Monte Carlo-style Rally awards and detailed scoring:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports/Monte_Carlo-style_Rally-RESULTS_table.html
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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TdS Report #49: Tour de Sol Championship Team Rankings and Awards
Tour de Sol CHAMPIONSHIP Teams and Awards
CATEGORY
Subcategory -- Teams
Team name
Vehicle # -- Vehicle name (fuel note)
Location
Awards
ALTERNATIVE FUEL & HYBRID VEHICLES
Production Vehicles -- Independent Teams
S&S AutoSport
#70 -- 2002 Toyota Prius (Hybrid-gasoline-electric)
Tulsa, OK
1st Place in Category
10th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (50% reduction)*
8th Place -- Fuel Economy (54 MPG)
5th Place -- Hill Climb (12 seconds)
2nd Place -- Autocross (40seconds)
4th Place -- Acceleration (11 seconds)
ITAQ (Quebec Advanced Transportation Institute)
#10-Bio SMART (Bidiesel)
St. Jermone, Quebec, Canada
2nd Place in Category
4th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (65% reduction)*
7th Place -- Fuel Economy (67 MPG)
3rd Place -- Autocross (41 seconds)
8th Place -- Acceleration (13 seconds)
ALTERNATIVE FUEL & HYBRID VEHICLES
Prototype Vehicles -- Student Teams
West Philly EV Team
#2 - Hybrid Attack (Hybrid -- biodiesel electric)
Philadelphia, PA
1st Place in Category
2nd Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (85% reduction)*
10th Place -- Fuel Economy (50 MPG)
4th Place -- Hill Climb (11 seconds)
1st Place -- Autocross (36 seconds)
3rd Place -- Acceleration (10 seconds) Place in Category
Western Washington U. Hybrid Club
#23 - Viking 23 (Hybrid -- bidiesel-electric)
Bellingham, WA
2nd Place in Category
1st Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (85% reduction)*
9th Place -- Fuel Economy (51 MPG)
2nd Place -- Hill Climb (10 seconds)
8th Place -- Autocross (45 seconds)
5th Place -- Acceleration 11( seconds)
Western Washington U. Hybrid Club
#32 - Viking 32 ( Compressed natural gas)
Bellingham, WA
3rd Place in Category
12th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (50% INCREASE)* 630
12th Place -- Fuel Economy (15 MPG)
1st Place -- Hill Climb (9 seconds)
2nd Place -- Autocross (40 seconds)
1st Place -- Acceleration (9 seconds)
ALTERNATIVE FUEL & HYBRID VEHICLES
Prototype Vehicles -- Independent Teams
Valence
#36 -- Saphion (Plug-in hybrid -- gasoline-electric)
(Valence Lithium ion batteries)
Austin, TX
1st Place in Category
5th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (64% reduction)* 153
6th Place -- Fuel Economy (74 MPG)
6th Place -- Autocross (43 seconds)
Innovative Technology Award
Vogelbilt
#12 Vogelbilt Vehicle (Biodiesel in Ford 250 pick-up)
West Babylon, NY
2nd Place in Category
Fuel Economy and Climate Change Data not available
3rd Place -- Hill Climb (10 seconds)
4th Place -- Autocross (42 seconds)
2nd Place -- Acceleration (9 seconds)
BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES
Student Teams
Methacton HS Electric Car Club
#45 The Lorax
Jeffersonville, PA
1st Place in Category
6th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (63% reduction)*
2nd Place -- Fuel Economy (120 MPG)
2nd Place -- Range (57 Miles)
7th Place -- Hill Climb (14 seconds)
7th Place -- Acceleration (12 seconds)
Burlington County Electechs
#16 - The Olympian
Burlington County, NJ
2nd Place in Category
8th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (55% reduction)*
4th Place -- Fuel Economy (98 MPG)
3rd Place -- Range (41 Miles)
6th Place -- Hill Climb (14 seconds)
5th Place -- Autocross (42 seconds)
6th Place -- Acceleration (12 seconds)
North Haven Community School
#53 - Revolution Ride
North Haven, ME
3rd Place in Category
11th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (0% reduction)*
11th Place -- Fuel Economy (45 MPG)
6th Place -- Range (21 Miles)
11th Place -- Hill Climb (25 seconds)
7th Place -- Autocross (44 seconds)
12 Place -- Acceleration (17 seconds)
Renewability Award -- Recharge from solar panels at their school
SOLAR-ASSISTED ELECTRIC VEHICLES
Two-person Student Teams
St. Mark's School Electric Vehicle Club
#56 -- Woodstock
Southborough, MA
1st Place in Category
9th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (51% reduction)*
5th Place -- Fuel Economy (90 MPG)
1st Place -- Range (66 Miles)
8th Place -- Hill Climb (17 seconds)
9th Place -- Autocross 47( seconds)
9th Place -- Acceleration (14 seconds)
2nd Place -- Most solar miles traveled (6.5 miles)
Renewability Award -- Recharge with renewable-produced electricity, Green Tags
SOLAR-ASSISTED ELECTRIC VEHICLES
One-person Student Teams
Cato-Meridian HS Technology Team
#92 -- Sunpacer
Cato, NY
1st Place in Category
3rd Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (66% reduction)* 141
1st Place -- Fuel Economy 90(132 MPG)
5th Place -- Range (26 Miles)
8th Place -- Hill Climb (19 seconds)
11th Place -- Acceleration (16 seconds)
1st Place -- Most solar miles traveled (7.6 miles)
Irondequoit HS Solar Car Team
#7 -- Zodiac
Rochester, NY
2nd Place in Category
7th Place -- Low Climate Change Emissions (59% reduction)*
3rd Place -- Fuel Economy (108 MPG)
4th Place -- Range (34 Miles)
10th Place -- Hill Climb (22 seconds)
10th Place -- Acceleration (15 seconds)
3rd Place -- Most solar miles traveled (2.4 miles)
* Climate Change Emissions:
% reduction compared to a conventional 27 MPG gasoline vehicle which
emits 420 grams CO2/mile.
Electricity based on emissions from Northeast power plants.
(California emissions would be less, national average would be more)
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You know, I'm a real big fan of John Wayland! So I was thinking about showing
up Saturday morning with a truck full of
parts, and with a little help from my friends, leaving Saturday night with a
record setting EV. Maybe I can get the
Discovery Channel film crew to come down with me from Rock Tavern, NY(American
Chopper). (I doubt it, though maybe
Gadget can pull some strings)
P.S. Anybody have a Curtis programmer?
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
"Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left untreated, it
develops into Arrogance, which is often
fatal. :-)" -- Lee Hart
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:24 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 2005 Power of DC June 11th
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> I think that's agreat idea I'll be there if you need an extra pair of hands.
> Are you thinking of driving down Thursday and working on it Friday or early
> Saturday morning? I definitely won't fit if you don't.
>
> James
>
> Quoting Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> My thought was ... how cool would it be if I just brought all the
>> parts with me, and WE, the EV'rs could collectively attempt a one day,
>> build, de-bug, test, and run.
>>
>> ...if they can fit in it. I can't fit(dammit).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stay Charged!
>> Hump
>> "Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left
>> untreated, it develops into Arrogance, which is often fatal. :-)" --
>> Lee Hart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Paul "Neon" Gooch wrote:
> [My buggy is] all dusty, sitting in my garage now, waiting for its spring
> cleaning. The range is going to suck (1/2) this year - Optimas can only
> take so much charging abuse. They are over 6 years old. The floors need
> welding again (or replacing.) This is not an EV problem, though the
> batteries in the floor do make it worse, cracking floors boards are a
> standard beach buggy problem (look at all the corner welds - about
> every 3 years.) The passenger side is starting to creak. I really want
> to do a floor/ battery box replacement and stuff 11 Orbitals into the
> thing (max out the Curtis 1221b, move the charger under the bonnet.)
> There must be some "spare time" around here somewhere!
Then Ryan Stotts added:
> Here's some pics for some more motivation :)
>
> http://img288.echo.cx/img288/4193/7183630te.jpg
The VW pan is used pretty widely in kit cars of all types, but it was really
intended to get a substantial amount of support from the body that bolted to
it. (VW experts will tell you a stock steel body (bug or Ghia) is *not*
light.) I hadn't heard the pans tend to crack in buggies, but this is
probably part of the reason. Especially if you pile a bunch of batteries in
there. Take a look at the pic Ryan posted and you can see there really
isn't much in the way of rigidity in a bug chassis.
A couple of lifetimes ago I built a Fiberfab Avenger based on a VW chassis.
They had a crude but effective way of strengthening the pan. Basically a 3"
square tube ran from the cap over the rear trailing arm pivot to the lower
front torsion bar tube. A welded bracket allowed it to be bolted to the
rear trailing arm pivot (bottom two bolts) and a U-bolt held it to the front
torsion bar tube. Several bolts went through the pan and the stiffener tube
along its length. There might have been a bend in the stiffener tube to get
it around depressions in the pan.
Seems to me this would go a *long* way toward preventing cracks in your pan
by reducing flex.
Chris
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I was mistaken about the MES AC Motors motors - They are available.
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: May 17, 2005 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: AC Motor Suppliers
I am (once again) reviewing the market for AC motors and controllers -
purpose built for EVs. Here is the list that I have so far:
* Siemens Motors from Metric Mind - surplus units
* MES Motors from Metric Mind - although the large MES units are "vapour
ware" and are not in production
* Solectria from Electro Automotive
* Enova Systems - does not sell one off motors, only bulk purchases
* AC Propulsion - pretty pricey compared to the rest
Any other out there that are specially built for Electric Vehicles?
thanks
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have found several internet "EV Parts" stores that provide complete kits for
EVs with several different options on major components like controllers and
motors, etc.
I have not been able to find a single source internet site for batteries.
There are many battery sites available on the net including the manufacturers
sites, but I have not seen any real retail sites that sell different types of
batteries with a focus on EVs.
Has anyone seen a site that has Orbitals, Optimas, etc. for sale with up to
date pricing? If not, I wonder if a site like that would be something to
consider as an internet business? Any thoughts from the community?
Jeff "newbie" Wilson
Still developing my grin :-)
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People are paying 40k for used Rav4's. Somebody knows something.
LR..........
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From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: EVLN(Korea's first electric car, available March 2006)
On 19 May 2005 at 16:49, bruce parmenter wrote:
The electric car will be able to go as fast as 120 kilometers per
hour and is expected to retail at 25 million won, GEO EV said.
That's about US$25,000 - quite a lot for a small car. (A few years ago,
before
the dollar weakened, it would have been more like $20k - not much better.)
For comparison, last time I checked a few years ago, most ICE minicars in
Korea cost between 7 and 10 million won. I really hope they succeed, but
I
really think this one will be a tough car to sell, in Korea or overseas,
unless
they can somehow cut the price by at least half.
GEO EV first started developing the no-emissions car last year
with 500 million won in capital.
My goodness. Imagine trying to develop a car in the US for $500,000! I
suspect that somebody dropped a couple of zeroes here.
I'll probably be in Korea for a couple of weeks next spring, so if they
actually
get it into production by then, I'll try to look them up. Maybe I can
tuck one
into my overnight bag. ;-)
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http://www.nimamotors.com/
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Mark Farver wrote:
> Ken at KTA Services is a pretty good guy to do business with. He is a
> phone/catalog person who never really got going on the web thing. I'm
> sure somebody (maybe a friends kid) setup the website before going to
> college and now he has no one to update it.
>
> You'll find a lot of the EV suppliers are not very web saavy. (Kinda a
> shame since their customers tend to be highly technical, and therefore
> internet oriented.) Ken is trying to sell the business and retire, but
> since you won't be relying on him for long term warrenty support (the
> ADC typically has a 1 year warrenty, and I've never heard of someone
> needing/claiming it) that is not a big deal. And the business has been
> for sale for over a year now.
I've dealt with Ken as well. Yes he's a phone kind of guy, but he will make
you happy. I wish him well in selling his business. If I was still in
SoCal, I'd consider buying it myself.
I'm not sure about this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe
the only reason ADC supplies EV-optimized motors at all is because the EV
community asked them to. There's not enough volume for them to care in a
business sense. What makes it workable for them is that they only have to
deal with an east coast distributor (EV America) and a west coast
distributor (KTA). Other sellers get their product from these two
distributors. That leaves very little wiggle room on price.
ADC makes the "standard" EV motor, but they aren't the only game in town.
Warfield Electric makes drop-in replacements for the popular ADC motors, and
some believe Warfield makes a better product than ADC's. It's even slightly
cheaper. You can get them from Netgain (http://www.go-ev.com/) and other
sources.
Chris
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I need to bench test a motor with my new pack but I'm not sure the best way to
do it. I have a 9"
ADC that hasn't been run in a long time and I want to hook it up to a new mini
pack I've put
together. The pack is made up of 20 1.2 volt NiCad cells that have been charged
to a pack voltage
of 27 volts. I'm guessing this is to high to connect directly to the motor so
I'm looking for a
good way to safely run the motor off the pack. I'd like to run the motor so I
know it's in
reasonable shape before I install it and I'd also like to use the motor to
exercise the pack so I
can charge it again.
How do I safely limit the juice flowing to the motor? (Just voltage or current
also?)
How low can I safely discharge the pack? (NiCads)
I'd prefer not to use long extension cords in buckets of water but...
Thanks
Dave Cover
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This year's SVEAA Rally is on the
*4th* Saturday of September - the 24th.
The SVEAA Rally schedule may change each year since moving the
SVEAA Rally to be held at Palo Alto High School across the street
from Stanford University (El Camino Real and University Ave).
So please mark your calendar for Saturday September 24th 10-4pm.
The best time to come is 11am to 1 pm, when all the action happens.
[ref SVEAA eaasv.org ]
Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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Tim Humphrey wrote:
> I can't get CNG, so I can't comment on cost.
There is a station in OKC that sells it at the pump for 90 cents a gallon:
http://www.fuelman.com/
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Jeff wrote:
> Has anyone seen a site that has Orbitals, Optimas, etc. for sale with up to
> date >pricing? If not, I wonder if a site like that would be something to
> consider as an >internet business? Any thoughts from the community?
Have a look at the prices for Orbitals, Intimidators, and Optimas on this site..
http://www.remybattery.com/
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Find a dealer near you and get a WarP motor..
http://www.go-ev.com/dealers-usa.html
Info:
http://www.go-ev.com/motors.html
http://www.go-ev.com/motors-warp.html
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I wonder what the story is behind the development of this product and
how it came to be?
http://img134.echo.cx/img134/2773/optima5cy.jpg
(page 35, July 2005, Car Craft)
Will these covers open up new, creative mounting options for us that
didn't exist before?
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Fairly extensive three page article about these two alternators:
http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml
Some other interesting articles too:
http://www.madelectrical.com/electrical-tech.shtml
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Hi Evan and All,
--- Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/19/05, Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Jerry, ZF make a 2-speed, solenoid operated
> gearbox for machine
> > tools. Might be useful, might not..
> >
> >
>
http://www.daviesmarketing.com/full_release.asp?compnameid=44&releaseid=506
>
>
> I asked for more data. There are several versions
> of the gearbox,
> with sizes from "car size" up to "enormous".
>
> Example data of the smallest unit:
> 2k120, input torque 140NM max, 8000RPM, weighs
> 30kG, ratios available
> 1.00 and 3.16/4.0/4.91, switches using a 24V, 120W
> solenoid.
>
> Next biggest:
> 2k250, input torque 400NM max, 6300RPM, weighs 62KG,
> ratios available
> 1.00 and 3.17/4.0/5.5, switches using a 24V, 120W
> solenoid.
>
> The ratios are a bit far apart, and the units are
> pretty heavy, but it
> might work for some application I suppose.
Yeah that is rather wide ratio's and heavy but
for drag racers may not be bad who need the strength.
Hopefully Keith will come up with the powerglide
unit that should fit our bill nicely.
I think B+M? drag racing transmissions makes
greatly modified PG's that might work. And racers
heard of them?
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
>
> --
>
> EVan
> http://www.tuer.co.uk/evs2
>
>
Yahoo! Mail
Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour:
http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
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Have any corrosion issues from using water + antifreeze?
No water, and no corrosion:
http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/C_npg1.htm
http://www.evanscooling.com/
Lifetime coolant and non toxic:
http://www.evanscooling.com/html/npgPls.htm
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I have bought many from him, but shipping went up from $15 to $25, nearly
double, kind of kills the deals
Thank You
................................
www.12voltguy.com
SeaBass44/~Darren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: battery sales center
Jeff wrote:
Has anyone seen a site that has Orbitals, Optimas, etc. for sale with up
to date >pricing? If not, I wonder if a site like that would be
something to consider as an >internet business? Any thoughts from the
community?
Have a look at the prices for Orbitals, Intimidators, and Optimas on this
site..
http://www.remybattery.com/
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Hi everyone,
A new toy has appeared in Mellow Yellow's
electric playground....
...the Siemens system I bought from Carl Vogel has
finally arrived! It was pretty well packaged up in
a custom-made wooden crate - unfortunately I had
to destroy the crate to get the motor out, it was
so well held in! It's all in the garage, waiting
for me to build up a small pack to test it with
So now I have all this expensive hardware, but I
can't talk to it, as the data cable and
ISO9141-to-RS232 adaptor are missing. Arrgghh!
( don't worry, I'm talking to Victor and HEC about it,
it'll get sorted out I'm sure, eventually... )
Does anyone know if the Simotion inverter will
talk to other off-the-shelf OBDII diagnostic
widgets? The kind that let you hook your laptop
up to your car... obviously I'd need to run the
SIADIS software, it's more the interface hardware
that I'm interested in.
Also, I vaguely remember something about a group who
were trying to "hack" the data that the inverter
provides ( Victor, please look away for a moment ;-)
Did this get anywhere? Answers off-list, if you prefer..
Richard Bebbington
electric Mini pickup
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/electric.mini/
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Darren wrote:
> I have bought many from him, but shipping went up from $15 to $25, nearly
> double, kind of kills the deals
What about contacting a local distributor and see about the price
considering the amount of batteries being purchased?
http://www.exideworld.com/products/trans/na/exide_branches.html
http://www.ibsa.com/www/distributors/us_distributors.asp (Optimas)
http://www.eastpenn-deka.com/cgi-bin/distributor.pl
Maybe they'd be willing to be sure that all the batteries were off the
same pallet and from the same batch? Maybe a better price too since
we buy ~12 or more instead of just 1?
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<<< EVparts.com has a little better website, but it is starting to get out
of date. There have been some mutterings that support/inventory for
conversions is falling as they concentrate on the more lucrative scootor
and golf cart market..
ElectricAuto.com (Electro Automotive) is another option, last I checked
their website too was out of date, but they have been in business for
awhile and will probably get you anything you need if you call.
Those are the major vendors... there are a few "second generation" EV
shops starting up, but getting a sales agreement with ADC is so hard I
suspect most of the other guys are reselling.
Mark Farver >>>
Don't forget the Cloud brothers at cloudelectric.com - later on the web than
WildeEvolutions/EVParts, but sometimes that means you get to see the other
guys' mistakes and avoid them.
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<<< Find a dealer near you and get a WarP motor..
http://www.go-ev.com/dealers-usa.html
Info:
http://www.go-ev.com/motors.html
http://www.go-ev.com/motors-warp.html >>>
Odd note: why are their dual shaft motors *cheaper* than single shaft versions?
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I have found several internet "EV Parts" stores that provide complete kits for
EVs with several different options on major components like controllers and motors, etc.
I have not been able to find a single source internet site for batteries.
There are many battery sites available on the net including the manufacturers
sites, but I have not seen any real retail sites that sell different types of
batteries with a focus on EVs.
The high cost of shipping makes batteries impractical as a "catalog" or
web business. Do your research online and find a local distributor. In
my case I called my local Interstate "all battery center" and asked
where he got his batteries from. He gave me the name of a different
Interstate battery store that turned out to be the area wholesaler for
all of South Texas. In EV quantities prices from the area wholesaler
were 10-15% less than direct from the store.
Mark Farver
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I called my local Interstate "all battery center" and asked
where he got his batteries from. He gave me the name of a different
Interstate battery store that turned out to be the area wholesaler for
all of South Texas.
Why in the world would he cut himself out of making $$$ ????
That guy wasn't too bright, lol
most people in business do not tell there sources, that is just dumb:-)
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<<< But I was comparing cost, not energy content. >>>
I see. PG&E charges 11.4 cents/kwh and 97.6 cents/therm (100K btu) of NG. Local
gas stations charge ~$2.35, so for a 25% efficient ICE, that's 27.6 cents/kwh
for gasoline or 13.4 cents/kwh for NG.
<<< I also seem to recall throughout the years that most of the S-10 conversions
on the list posted an at the outlet consumption of 400-500wh per mile. >>>
Depends on the system (and the owner, it seems): One S-10 in the EV Album lists
50-80mi from a 120V pack of T-145s, Bruce's Blazer uses 100A with his pack
output at 125V at 55mph, and David Chapman's 1 ton cargo van gets 60mi from 36
Delphi 12v's.
<<< I can't get CNG, so I can't comment on cost. However, the Centro Bus system
in the city of Syracuse is 100% CNG fueled and they are not looking back. So
CNG may indeed be cheaper. I do know that based on current Energy mix in the
US, CNG
is the CLEANEST automotive fuel widely available. Notice I said the *US* mix,
not *my* mix of 50-50 hydro-wind. >>>
Better than mine, but our largest combusion-based power supply is from NG (do
you consider the waste from the power of the atom as the same kind of
"pollution"? 21% of our electricity comes from nukes).
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Just for clarification I would venture to guess that the scooter market for
EV Parts is much less than 5% of our sales. When We expand with a European
distribution center later this year it will start with an inventory of
onroad EV parts only. We have an excellent working relationship with the new
owners of Advanced DC which I must admit is much better than with the
previous owners. They have been very helpful in the industrial market as
well. Another clarification, David Cloud is no way involved with Cloud
Electric.
Roderick
Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore
www.evparts.com
1-360-385-7082
Phone: 360-582-1270 Fax: 360-582-1272
PO Box 834, Carlsborg, WA 98324
108-B Business Park Loop, Sequim, WA 98382
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the best buy on ADC motors?
<<< EVparts.com has a little better website, but it is starting to get out
of date. There have been some mutterings that support/inventory for
conversions is falling as they concentrate on the more lucrative scootor
and golf cart market..
ElectricAuto.com (Electro Automotive) is another option, last I checked
their website too was out of date, but they have been in business for
awhile and will probably get you anything you need if you call.
Those are the major vendors... there are a few "second generation" EV
shops starting up, but getting a sales agreement with ADC is so hard I
suspect most of the other guys are reselling.
Mark Farver >>>
Don't forget the Cloud brothers at cloudelectric.com - later on the web
than
WildeEvolutions/EVParts, but sometimes that means you get to see the other
guys' mistakes and avoid them.
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Great idea Tim!
And thanks James for also coming out to the race and helping out. With all
the visitors and racers there, collectively there should be plenty of help
available to get Cody's car going.
Let us know if there is anything, tool wise you will need. I imagine you
will be bringing everything you can think of. But just let us know if you
don't have something that maybe those going could bring.
BTW, we plan to have an informal swap meet at the track so bring your unused
EV parts. Darin Gilbert came up with the idea.
I have a ton of information to share about the upcoming race including TV
coverage which I'll share soon.
See ya,
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc.com
On 5/20/05 12:29 PM, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: 2005 Power of DC June 11th
>
> Hey all you East of the Ole Miss drag racin' fans.
>
> I am planning on attending the 2005 Power of DC event on June 11 at Mason
> Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
>
> I have a work in progress that I am planning to bring and had a thought...
>
> This is a JR Dragster the will be piloted by my ten yr old son, Cody.
>
> I am powering it with an Elec-trak E-15 drive motor, a Curtis 1244 Sep-ex
> controller and 72v worth of 13ah Hawkers.
>
> It has yet to run under it's own power In fact, if I want to run it in
> Maryland I will probably have to pull a few
> Wayland style all-nighters. My thought was ... how cool would it be if I just
> brought all the parts with me, and WE,
> the EV'rs could collectively attempt a one day, build, de-bug, test, and run.
>
> Now, I would really like to show up at the track with the car already to go,
> already having been tested at my local
> track and already tweaked. But I think it would also be cool if EVERYONE had a
> hand in building it, even if it doesn't
> make it down the track, I think it would be a great experience.
>
> Does anybody planning on going to Watt Wheels, want me to bring the puzzle, or
> should I put it together at home.
> Anyone who wrenches on it will be welcome to drive it(or their kids), if they
> can fit in it. I can't fit(dammit).
>
>
> On another note. Cody thinks he would rather have a thumb throttle, than a
> foot pedal. Any thoughts on this. Bill,
> would a thumb throttle violate any rules?
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darren wrote:
> Why in the world would he cut himself out of making $$$ ????
The situation could have been like this:
Let's say just for example that I worked there. Just a minimum wage
employee. If you came in and asked where we got the batteries from, I
would have told you...
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Not sure about hooking up an OBD II sensor to the controller.
As for hacking the code, the idea was to hack the saved SIADIS files for
exporting to excel. The project was abandoned, as we discovered the export
facility in SIADIS. We did not try to hack the actual communication
protocol (too many cars to build).
Most people just use an old 486 laptop with DOS. A few have it working with
Win98, using some device drivers.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Bebbington
Sent: May 20, 2005 2:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Siemens system Q's
Hi everyone,
A new toy has appeared in Mellow Yellow's electric playground....
...the Siemens system I bought from Carl Vogel has finally arrived! It was
pretty well packaged up in a custom-made wooden crate - unfortunately I had
to destroy the crate to get the motor out, it was so well held in! It's all
in the garage, waiting for me to build up a small pack to test it with
So now I have all this expensive hardware, but I can't talk to it, as the
data cable and
ISO9141-to-RS232 adaptor are missing. Arrgghh!
( don't worry, I'm talking to Victor and HEC about it,
it'll get sorted out I'm sure, eventually... )
Does anyone know if the Simotion inverter will talk to other off-the-shelf
OBDII diagnostic widgets? The kind that let you hook your laptop up to your
car... obviously I'd need to run the SIADIS software, it's more the
interface hardware that I'm interested in.
Also, I vaguely remember something about a group who were trying to "hack"
the data that the inverter provides ( Victor, please look away for a moment
;-) Did this get anywhere? Answers off-list, if you prefer..
Richard Bebbington
electric Mini pickup
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/electric.mini/
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