EV Digest 4440
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) ping
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Speaking of E-meters
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Speaking of E-meters
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Tilley is at it again.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Tilley is at it again.
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: The PFC40L charger (was Re: Blue Meanie vs. Maserati)
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Tilley is at it again.
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: ping
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Regen - samples from the field
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Link10 RS232 - Noise FIXED
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Tilley is at it again.
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Tilley is at it again.
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: The PFC40L charger, Quick charging
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: The PFC40L charger (was Re: Blue Meanie vs. Maserati)
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Link10 RS232 - Noise still persists
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Link10 RS232 - Noise still persists
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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ping
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Where can one get one plus a scaler and a shunt? Got a project that's
going to need some measurments.
Chris
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Ah, I couldn't remember the real name, thank you. Back in the late 70's, I
was in the local community college, taking Automotive Body and Paint. We
usually brought our own cars to work on, and there was this one fellow who
had two DKWs he had inherited from his father. One was the little round car
that looked almost like a VW bug, the other was a van-type thing. I don't
think either was 4 wheel drive, or very light. I doubt either of them would
do as an EV project. By the way, the van had the steering wheel towards the
center of the dash, and the guy that owned it said that he used to stand on
the seat to his Father's left when he was small.
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "Richard Rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
Sorry, I had a typo. I think it's Deutsche Kleines Wagen
RR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Rau
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
DKW= Deutsche Klein's Wagen= German small auto
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
Der Klein Wunder?
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
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Here is who I purchased mine from:
Canadian Electric Vehicles - www.canev.com
EVParts - www.evparts.com
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Christopher Zach
Sent: June 16, 2005 7:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Speaking of E-meters
Where can one get one plus a scaler and a shunt? Got a project that's going
to need some measurments.
Chris
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I got this from the ET list. This guy just won't give up. He proved
himself a fraud once. I thought he had been arrested!
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0400
From: RemyC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be Produced
Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be ProducedFrom:
Carl Tilley
CKTILLEY@ peoplepc.com
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Tilley Electric Vehicle to be Unveiled
to the Public in 2005
TEV
TILLEY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
The Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
be on sale to the general public in 2005.
The 5 passenger, front wheel drive, total electric car (not a hybrid),
will be a full size four door that is fully loaded. Power windows, heater,
automatic transmission, Cassette player, radio, power seats and other items
that are found on high grade cars. (See list of standard equipment on TEV)
Based on the original Electric DeLorean conversion first produced by
Carl Tilley it will offer a streamline design and no need to recharge after
use. Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per hour.
Top speed is 130 miles per hour and has an extremely fast take off
utilizing a new state of the art Tilley modified automatic transmission with
the 156 volt DC power system.
The first unit will be produced and unveiled in 2005 and will be
available with complete package system.
Unlike most total electric cars the TEV will offer digital heads up
display at eye level on the windshield so one can see the driver information
available of the instrument panel cluster without looking down.
This heads up display will show speed, amps in and out and turn signal
direction. This is vital as in the past electric car owners constantly had
to look down to observe gages.
Another invention is the removal of the converter. Most total electric
cars have a converter to step down the 156 volts to 12 volts so it could run
wipers, lights, stereo and the like. The new device eliminates the converter
and keeps the 12 volt part of the system charged as well as running the AC,
heater, power brakes, lights and all other 12 volt items found on a car.
Power brakes and power steering are another factor not found on any
total electric car. In the past brakes had to use an electric pumping system
off the 12 volt battery. The TEV eliminates that necessity with technology
that not only keeps the brakes up but offers power steering without draining
the battery. Batteries are located in the car frame, away from the inside of
the car, on a special support system designed by Carl Tilley.
Cruse Control is yet another item never found on total electric cars.
The Tilley electronic cruse control system is the first of its kind created
for a total electric car.
Standard Equipment on Tilley Electric Vehicle
"Total Electric with Tilley Self Charging System"
156 Volt Advanced Electric DC motor
Power Windows
Power Seats for Passenger and Driver.
Lumbar Support Controls for Driver and Passenger
Reclining Front Seats.
Driver and Passenger Air Bag System.
Power Door Locks
Rear Door Security Locks.
Remote Keyless Entry.
Remote Trunk Release.
Tilley Modified Automatic Transmission.
Headlights, Taillights, Breaklights, Signal Lights, and Lighted Side
Markers.
Fog Lamps and Emergency Flashers
Rear Window Defogger
Daytime Running Lights (DRL).
Front and Rear Reading Lamps.
Lighted Instrument Cluster with Compass and Gages.
Power Remote Control for Both Outside Mirrors.
Electro Chromic Day/Night inside Rearview Mirror.
Heads up Display for Speed, Hi-Beam, Amp, Volt Gages and Turn Signals.
Tilley Electronic Cruse Control
AM - FM Stereo with Power Antenna and Cassette / CD Player.
Controls for Radio and Stereo Located on Steering Wheel.
Electronic Clock.
Traction Control.
Power Steering
Tilt Steering Wheel.
Power Brakes.
Antilock Brake System (ABS).
Security System (THEFTLOCK).
Air Inflator System for Proper Air Pressure in the Tires.
Tilley Accessory Power Outlets, (both DC and AC).
Leather Interior, Cup Holders, Lighted Vanity Mirrors.
Variable Speed Wipers and Windshield Washer System.
Custom Wheel Package and High Speed Tires
2005 Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)
[This message contained attachments]
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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About 35 years ago, my high school German teacher (whom I don't doubt was
there ;-) told me that DKW originally manufactured refrigerators. He said the
initials stood for "Das Kalte Wunder." Maybe they dreamed up something else
those letters could stand for when they started building cars.
No matter what the letters signify, I don't think a DKW would make a very
practical
conversion candidate. Imagine what it would be like obtaining spares for a car
that
old and uncommon!
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: Tilley is at it again.
> I got this from the ET list. This guy just won't give up. He proved
> himself a fraud once. I thought he had been arrested!
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0400
> From: RemyC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be Produced
>
> Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be ProducedFrom:
> Carl Tilley
> CKTILLEY@ peoplepc.com
>
> Sunday, June 12, 2005
>
>
> Tilley Electric Vehicle to be Unveiled
>
> to the Public in 2005
>
> Hi All;
Won't be holding my breath Tilley get it to market! Sorry, couldn't stop
in time. OK It's a /was a free country. Let's seeit!
Seeya
Bob
>
> TEV
>
> TILLEY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
>
>
>
> The Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
> be on sale to the general public in 2005.
>
> The 5 passenger, front wheel drive, total electric car (not a
hybrid),
> will be a full size four door that is fully loaded. Power windows, heater,
> automatic transmission, Cassette player, radio, power seats and other
items
> that are found on high grade cars. (See list of standard equipment on TEV)
>
> Based on the original Electric DeLorean conversion first produced by
> Carl Tilley it will offer a streamline design and no need to recharge
after
> use. Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per
hour.
>
> Top speed is 130 miles per hour and has an extremely fast take off
> utilizing a new state of the art Tilley modified automatic transmission
with
> the 156 volt DC power system.
>
> The first unit will be produced and unveiled in 2005 and will be
> available with complete package system.
>
> Unlike most total electric cars the TEV will offer digital heads up
> display at eye level on the windshield so one can see the driver
information
> available of the instrument panel cluster without looking down.
>
> This heads up display will show speed, amps in and out and turn
signal
> direction. This is vital as in the past electric car owners constantly had
> to look down to observe gages.
>
> Another invention is the removal of the converter. Most total
electric
> cars have a converter to step down the 156 volts to 12 volts so it could
run
> wipers, lights, stereo and the like. The new device eliminates the
converter
> and keeps the 12 volt part of the system charged as well as running the
AC,
> heater, power brakes, lights and all other 12 volt items found on a car.
>
> Power brakes and power steering are another factor not found on any
> total electric car. In the past brakes had to use an electric pumping
system
> off the 12 volt battery. The TEV eliminates that necessity with technology
> that not only keeps the brakes up but offers power steering without
draining
> the battery. Batteries are located in the car frame, away from the inside
of
> the car, on a special support system designed by Carl Tilley.
>
> Cruse Control is yet another item never found on total electric cars.
> The Tilley electronic cruse control system is the first of its kind
created
> for a total electric car.
>
> Standard Equipment on Tilley Electric Vehicle
>
>
>
> "Total Electric with Tilley Self Charging System"
>
>
>
> 156 Volt Advanced Electric DC motor
>
> Power Windows
>
> Power Seats for Passenger and Driver.
>
> Lumbar Support Controls for Driver and Passenger
>
> Reclining Front Seats.
>
> Driver and Passenger Air Bag System.
>
> Power Door Locks
>
> Rear Door Security Locks.
>
> Remote Keyless Entry.
>
> Remote Trunk Release.
>
> Tilley Modified Automatic Transmission.
>
> Headlights, Taillights, Breaklights, Signal Lights, and Lighted Side
> Markers.
>
> Fog Lamps and Emergency Flashers
>
> Rear Window Defogger
>
> Daytime Running Lights (DRL).
>
> Front and Rear Reading Lamps.
>
> Lighted Instrument Cluster with Compass and Gages.
>
> Power Remote Control for Both Outside Mirrors.
>
> Electro Chromic Day/Night inside Rearview Mirror.
>
> Heads up Display for Speed, Hi-Beam, Amp, Volt Gages and Turn Signals.
>
> Tilley Electronic Cruse Control
>
> AM - FM Stereo with Power Antenna and Cassette / CD Player.
>
> Controls for Radio and Stereo Located on Steering Wheel.
>
> Electronic Clock.
>
> Traction Control.
>
> Power Steering
>
> Tilt Steering Wheel.
>
> Power Brakes.
>
> Antilock Brake System (ABS).
>
> Security System (THEFTLOCK).
>
> Air Inflator System for Proper Air Pressure in the Tires.
>
> Tilley Accessory Power Outlets, (both DC and AC).
>
> Leather Interior, Cup Holders, Lighted Vanity Mirrors.
>
> Variable Speed Wipers and Windshield Washer System.
>
> Custom Wheel Package and High Speed Tires
>
>
>
>
>
> 2005 Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)
>
>
>
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> Lawrence Rhodes
> Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> Reedmaker
> Book 4/5 doubler
> Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 415-821-3519
>
>
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Go for it Victor...
That would be fun to see in operation.
Madman
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: The PFC40L charger (was Re: Blue Meanie vs. Maserati)
> Rich Rudman wrote:
> > The PFC40L is a PFC30 with liquid cooling and the screws turned up to 40
> > amps of grid current.
> >
> > Same box as a PFC30, Same output cables but it has a 50 amp Range cord
14-50
> > plug.
> >
> > The target price is $2500. Or the same cost as a stock PFC50. But it's
> > less than 1/2 the volume and needs NO airflow.
>
> Rich,
>
> Interesting that it is close to around half the cost of a 100kW
> Siemens inverter.
>
> If you feed itwith 3 phase from the motor side and regulate regen input,
> you instantly get 100kW water cooled charger for $5k as small as
> 6kW PFC20. You get 5x of the value for you money with Siemens
> approach (power wise)...
>
> Should I get on and start turning inverters to the chargers?
> practically no mods will be needed ;-)
>
> Anyone got 400A 3 phase feed? It'll charge you in no time
> and reliable solution is there if you want to try...
>
> --
> Victor
> '91 ACRX - something different
>
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Is there a web site for this vehicle?
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: June 16, 2005 8:04 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tilley is at it again.
I got this from the ET list. This guy just won't give up. He proved
himself a fraud once. I thought he had been arrested!
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0400
From: RemyC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be Produced
Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be ProducedFrom:
Carl Tilley
CKTILLEY@ peoplepc.com
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Tilley Electric Vehicle to be Unveiled
to the Public in 2005
TEV
TILLEY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
The Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
be on sale to the general public in 2005.
The 5 passenger, front wheel drive, total electric car (not a hybrid),
will be a full size four door that is fully loaded. Power windows, heater,
automatic transmission, Cassette player, radio, power seats and other items
that are found on high grade cars. (See list of standard equipment on TEV)
Based on the original Electric DeLorean conversion first produced by
Carl Tilley it will offer a streamline design and no need to recharge after
use. Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per hour.
Top speed is 130 miles per hour and has an extremely fast take off
utilizing a new state of the art Tilley modified automatic transmission with
the 156 volt DC power system.
The first unit will be produced and unveiled in 2005 and will be
available with complete package system.
Unlike most total electric cars the TEV will offer digital heads up
display at eye level on the windshield so one can see the driver information
available of the instrument panel cluster without looking down.
This heads up display will show speed, amps in and out and turn signal
direction. This is vital as in the past electric car owners constantly had
to look down to observe gages.
Another invention is the removal of the converter. Most total electric
cars have a converter to step down the 156 volts to 12 volts so it could run
wipers, lights, stereo and the like. The new device eliminates the converter
and keeps the 12 volt part of the system charged as well as running the AC,
heater, power brakes, lights and all other 12 volt items found on a car.
Power brakes and power steering are another factor not found on any
total electric car. In the past brakes had to use an electric pumping system
off the 12 volt battery. The TEV eliminates that necessity with technology
that not only keeps the brakes up but offers power steering without draining
the battery. Batteries are located in the car frame, away from the inside of
the car, on a special support system designed by Carl Tilley.
Cruse Control is yet another item never found on total electric cars.
The Tilley electronic cruse control system is the first of its kind created
for a total electric car.
Standard Equipment on Tilley Electric Vehicle
"Total Electric with Tilley Self Charging System"
156 Volt Advanced Electric DC motor
Power Windows
Power Seats for Passenger and Driver.
Lumbar Support Controls for Driver and Passenger
Reclining Front Seats.
Driver and Passenger Air Bag System.
Power Door Locks
Rear Door Security Locks.
Remote Keyless Entry.
Remote Trunk Release.
Tilley Modified Automatic Transmission.
Headlights, Taillights, Breaklights, Signal Lights, and Lighted Side
Markers.
Fog Lamps and Emergency Flashers
Rear Window Defogger
Daytime Running Lights (DRL).
Front and Rear Reading Lamps.
Lighted Instrument Cluster with Compass and Gages.
Power Remote Control for Both Outside Mirrors.
Electro Chromic Day/Night inside Rearview Mirror.
Heads up Display for Speed, Hi-Beam, Amp, Volt Gages and Turn Signals.
Tilley Electronic Cruse Control
AM - FM Stereo with Power Antenna and Cassette / CD Player.
Controls for Radio and Stereo Located on Steering Wheel.
Electronic Clock.
Traction Control.
Power Steering
Tilt Steering Wheel.
Power Brakes.
Antilock Brake System (ABS).
Security System (THEFTLOCK).
Air Inflator System for Proper Air Pressure in the Tires.
Tilley Accessory Power Outlets, (both DC and AC).
Leather Interior, Cup Holders, Lighted Vanity Mirrors.
Variable Speed Wipers and Windshield Washer System.
Custom Wheel Package and High Speed Tires
2005 Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)
[This message contained attachments]
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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...(.27 Ms)
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Poulsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:27 AM
Subject: ping
ping
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Now that I got the Link10 RS232 working (Thanks Joe, Lee, Lawrence, Victor,
Roger and Evan), I drove on one of my standard trips last night.
23 Ah total round trip with a total regen of 1.47 Ah (6.3%). I am using
fixed regen right now: 10Ah on "off throttle" and 20Ah with brakes on. I
figure with a regen pot I should be able to increase that value by using
mostly regen instead of the brakes.
Obviously the goal is not to use any brakes or regen at all, but to coast as
much as possible. However in city traffic it is difficult to avoid stopping
and a nuisance to coast at 30kmh (20mph) in a 50kmh (30mph) zone.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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Congrats Don! This resolution tells me that your
12V supply (for the laptop) has poor filtering and
6kHz messes up your laptop over power supply,
not RS232 inputs. This also means the signal
from link-10 is also clean.
Victor
Don Cameron wrote:
Thanks for the tip Lawrence. Running the laptop on batteries corrected the
issue. Noise is an interesting thing...
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Harris, Lawrence
Sent: June 15, 2005 3:22 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Link10 RS232 - Noise still persists
You might want to remove the ground from one end of the shielded cable. It
should be connected in one place only or you get ground loops and introduce
noise instead of removing it. Also run your laptop on batteries only so it
is isolated from any other possible connection with the controller in lieu
of using an isolated RS232 connection.
Lawrence Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: June 15, 2005 2:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Link10 RS232 - Noise still persists
The noise in the RS232 still persists. Here are the symptoms:
Link10 display works 100% all the time. Controller off, on and in drive
mode.
The Link10 RS232 to the computer displays data correctly, but only when the
controller is not in drive and reverse.
Connecting a scope to the Tx line at the computer end, the RS232 signal is
clean, but only when the controller is not in drive mode. When the
controller is in foward or reverse, the Siemens 6kHz PWM is clearly visible.
The RS232 cable is fully shielded with shielded connectors. The cable
shielding is only connected to the metal connector ends, and **not** to pin
5.
The computer is powered by a 300W inverter connected to the car's 12V
battery.
Lee, I am not using an opto isolator. (Bad EVer!)
My next step will be to put a lo-pass filter on the RS232 line to the
computer. Any suggestions for RC values?
thanks
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: June 15, 2005 2:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Link10 RS232 - Siemens Noise?
OOPS - sorry guys. The null modem cable I am using is not shielded.
(silly mistake)
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Roger Stockton
Sent: June 15, 2005 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Link10 RS232 - Siemens Noise?
Victor Tikhonov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These systems are OEM and won't be produced unless conform to ISO and
other standards for EMI levels.
This means no noise on *their* RS232 interface, and that one outputs
among many other things measured battery current and voltage as well.
I think the suggestion is not that the Siemens RS232 output is noisy, but
that the Siemens system puts 6kHz noise onto the traction wiring, and since
the Link 10's RS232 is referenced to the traction negative, then connecting
both to the same PC might exacerbate the noise problems by providing a path
that the Siemens engineers did not anticipate.
Also, if you slow down your link 10 from 9600 to 2400, it may solve
all the problems on its own.
Unless the Link 10 is changed from the E-Meter, this is not an option.
Its RS232 output is fixed at 9600, 8N1.
Looking at the signal with a 'scope is definitely the best next step,
however, if this is not an option, you can try filtering the signal before
it enters the notebook. A first attempt might be to try a ferrite bead over
the serial cable, or get a toroid and wrap the PC end of the serial cable
through it a few times. You could also try making your own serial cable
with a single twisted pair for the data and ground connections. Use
shielded twisted pair cable and try grounding the shield to either the DB9
shell or signal ground at the PC end. If you don't yet have an
opto-isolator between the E-Meter and notebook, add one (see Lee Hart's past
posts on construction details). Put the isolator at the PC end so that you
can still use a single twisted pair between it and the E-Meter (you will
have connections to the PCs handshake lines steal power for the output side
of the opto).
Finally, it is possible that the noise is being picked up by the notebook
itself rather than being brought in via the RS232 connection.
Some notebooks are nore sensitive to EMI/RFI than others.
Hope this helps,
Roger.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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I hear that internally it will be running MS Windows "Longhorn", when
it's finally released. =P
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
I got this from the ET list. This guy just won't give up. He proved
himself a fraud once. I thought he had been arrested!
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0400
From: RemyC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be Produced
Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be ProducedFrom:
Carl Tilley
CKTILLEY@ peoplepc.com
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Tilley Electric Vehicle to be Unveiled
to the Public in 2005
TEV
TILLEY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
The Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
be on sale to the general public in 2005.
The 5 passenger, front wheel drive, total electric car (not a
hybrid),
will be a full size four door that is fully loaded. Power windows,
heater,
automatic transmission, Cassette player, radio, power seats and other
items
that are found on high grade cars. (See list of standard equipment on
TEV)
Based on the original Electric DeLorean conversion first produced by
Carl Tilley it will offer a streamline design and no need to recharge
after
use. Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per
hour.
Top speed is 130 miles per hour and has an extremely fast take off
utilizing a new state of the art Tilley modified automatic
transmission with
the 156 volt DC power system.
The first unit will be produced and unveiled in 2005 and will be
available with complete package system.
Unlike most total electric cars the TEV will offer digital heads up
display at eye level on the windshield so one can see the driver
information
available of the instrument panel cluster without looking down.
This heads up display will show speed, amps in and out and turn
signal
direction. This is vital as in the past electric car owners constantly
had
to look down to observe gages.
Another invention is the removal of the converter. Most total
electric
cars have a converter to step down the 156 volts to 12 volts so it
could run
wipers, lights, stereo and the like. The new device eliminates the
converter
and keeps the 12 volt part of the system charged as well as running
the AC,
heater, power brakes, lights and all other 12 volt items found on a car.
Power brakes and power steering are another factor not found on any
total electric car. In the past brakes had to use an electric pumping
system
off the 12 volt battery. The TEV eliminates that necessity with
technology
that not only keeps the brakes up but offers power steering without
draining
the battery. Batteries are located in the car frame, away from the
inside of
the car, on a special support system designed by Carl Tilley.
Cruse Control is yet another item never found on total electric cars.
The Tilley electronic cruse control system is the first of its kind
created
for a total electric car.
Standard Equipment on Tilley Electric Vehicle
"Total Electric with Tilley Self Charging System"
156 Volt Advanced Electric DC motor
Power Windows
Power Seats for Passenger and Driver.
Lumbar Support Controls for Driver and Passenger
Reclining Front Seats.
Driver and Passenger Air Bag System.
Power Door Locks
Rear Door Security Locks.
Remote Keyless Entry.
Remote Trunk Release.
Tilley Modified Automatic Transmission.
Headlights, Taillights, Breaklights, Signal Lights, and Lighted Side
Markers.
Fog Lamps and Emergency Flashers
Rear Window Defogger
Daytime Running Lights (DRL).
Front and Rear Reading Lamps.
Lighted Instrument Cluster with Compass and Gages.
Power Remote Control for Both Outside Mirrors.
Electro Chromic Day/Night inside Rearview Mirror.
Heads up Display for Speed, Hi-Beam, Amp, Volt Gages and Turn Signals.
Tilley Electronic Cruse Control
AM - FM Stereo with Power Antenna and Cassette / CD Player.
Controls for Radio and Stereo Located on Steering Wheel.
Electronic Clock.
Traction Control.
Power Steering
Tilt Steering Wheel.
Power Brakes.
Antilock Brake System (ABS).
Security System (THEFTLOCK).
Air Inflator System for Proper Air Pressure in the Tires.
Tilley Accessory Power Outlets, (both DC and AC).
Leather Interior, Cup Holders, Lighted Vanity Mirrors.
Variable Speed Wipers and Windshield Washer System.
Custom Wheel Package and High Speed Tires
2005 Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)
[This message contained attachments]
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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It must be magic! Perpetual motion?
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:03 AM
Subject: Tilley is at it again.
I got this from the ET list. This guy just won't give up. He proved
himself a fraud once. I thought he had been arrested!
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:00:01 -0400
From: RemyC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be Produced
Tilley Super Sport Electric Car to be ProducedFrom:
Carl Tilley
CKTILLEY@ peoplepc.com
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Tilley Electric Vehicle to be Unveiled
to the Public in 2005
TEV
TILLEY ELECTRIC VEHICLE
The Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV) will be produced and is expected to
be on sale to the general public in 2005.
The 5 passenger, front wheel drive, total electric car (not a hybrid),
will be a full size four door that is fully loaded. Power windows, heater,
automatic transmission, Cassette player, radio, power seats and other
items
that are found on high grade cars. (See list of standard equipment on TEV)
Based on the original Electric DeLorean conversion first produced by
Carl Tilley it will offer a streamline design and no need to recharge
after
use. Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per
hour.
Top speed is 130 miles per hour and has an extremely fast take off
utilizing a new state of the art Tilley modified automatic transmission
with
the 156 volt DC power system.
The first unit will be produced and unveiled in 2005 and will be
available with complete package system.
Unlike most total electric cars the TEV will offer digital heads up
display at eye level on the windshield so one can see the driver
information
available of the instrument panel cluster without looking down.
This heads up display will show speed, amps in and out and turn signal
direction. This is vital as in the past electric car owners constantly had
to look down to observe gages.
Another invention is the removal of the converter. Most total electric
cars have a converter to step down the 156 volts to 12 volts so it could
run
wipers, lights, stereo and the like. The new device eliminates the
converter
and keeps the 12 volt part of the system charged as well as running the
AC,
heater, power brakes, lights and all other 12 volt items found on a car.
Power brakes and power steering are another factor not found on any
total electric car. In the past brakes had to use an electric pumping
system
off the 12 volt battery. The TEV eliminates that necessity with technology
that not only keeps the brakes up but offers power steering without
draining
the battery. Batteries are located in the car frame, away from the inside
of
the car, on a special support system designed by Carl Tilley.
Cruse Control is yet another item never found on total electric cars.
The Tilley electronic cruse control system is the first of its kind
created
for a total electric car.
Standard Equipment on Tilley Electric Vehicle
"Total Electric with Tilley Self Charging System"
156 Volt Advanced Electric DC motor
Power Windows
Power Seats for Passenger and Driver.
Lumbar Support Controls for Driver and Passenger
Reclining Front Seats.
Driver and Passenger Air Bag System.
Power Door Locks
Rear Door Security Locks.
Remote Keyless Entry.
Remote Trunk Release.
Tilley Modified Automatic Transmission.
Headlights, Taillights, Breaklights, Signal Lights, and Lighted Side
Markers.
Fog Lamps and Emergency Flashers
Rear Window Defogger
Daytime Running Lights (DRL).
Front and Rear Reading Lamps.
Lighted Instrument Cluster with Compass and Gages.
Power Remote Control for Both Outside Mirrors.
Electro Chromic Day/Night inside Rearview Mirror.
Heads up Display for Speed, Hi-Beam, Amp, Volt Gages and Turn Signals.
Tilley Electronic Cruse Control
AM - FM Stereo with Power Antenna and Cassette / CD Player.
Controls for Radio and Stereo Located on Steering Wheel.
Electronic Clock.
Traction Control.
Power Steering
Tilt Steering Wheel.
Power Brakes.
Antilock Brake System (ABS).
Security System (THEFTLOCK).
Air Inflator System for Proper Air Pressure in the Tires.
Tilley Accessory Power Outlets, (both DC and AC).
Leather Interior, Cup Holders, Lighted Vanity Mirrors.
Variable Speed Wipers and Windshield Washer System.
Custom Wheel Package and High Speed Tires
2005 Tilley Electric Vehicle (TEV)
[This message contained attachments]
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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THanks for reply Otmar, few comments/questions inserted:
Otmar wrote:
Anyone got 400A 3 phase feed? It'll charge you in no time
and reliable solution is there if you want to try...
That would be interesting!
But of course it only works if your battery pack is more than 336V
nominal (for lead acid, otherwise you can't control the current from the
240V line) and the AC side noise might be really high depending on the
filters which can easily double the size of the unit.
I don't understand this. While DC controller can only buck, Siemens
can buck-boost as far as I know - the absolute minimum input DC voltage
is 110V (for high voltage version) and only 65V for low voltage
version, while still rated at 100kW in. This means during regen
inverter must output this voltage only, no more. And at high rpm
(high back EMF) the motor voltage should exceed battery voltage,
should it not?
AC propulsion does this with their drive but they're limited to a much
lower power. About 20kW. I guess it's not as easy as just hooking it up.
For one you need inductance in the input lines. And that's not light.
ACP uses some of the motor windings but of course that adds complexity
in filtering and switching them.
Yes, it does. But the major heavy components (motor windings as
inductors and power silicon on the water cooled slab) are already
there, and it makes sense to re-use it. It is very unlikely
you can get near 100 kW charging power with 100 kW inverter.
However, I have no rtouble regenning hard putting 130-140A into
345V pack, it's nearly 45kW. If I only can mimic exact waveform
from the motor side during such a regen, the rest is not too difficult.
(At least in theory as it is well understoon wht has to be done -
ACP is a good example)
In a similar vein. I used Zilla's to charge from a higher voltage
battery pack (dump charge pack) to a lower one. Zilla's start out at
only $2000. But the extra battery pack is not so cheap.
Again, this is because you were bucking. But rectified 240V mains give
you 336V peak, so you can buck into a lower voltage pack, say 300V,
can you? Also, if you boost input by a large off-board autotransformer,
there is no such limitation.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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I'm too busy with other fun stuff, this is your field.
Just an idea for you. May be in future if I have nothing
else to do...
Victor
Rich Rudman wrote:
Go for it Victor...
That would be fun to see in operation.
Madman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: The PFC40L charger (was Re: Blue Meanie vs. Maserati)
Rich Rudman wrote:
The PFC40L is a PFC30 with liquid cooling and the screws turned up to 40
amps of grid current.
Same box as a PFC30, Same output cables but it has a 50 amp Range cord
14-50
plug.
The target price is $2500. Or the same cost as a stock PFC50. But it's
less than 1/2 the volume and needs NO airflow.
Rich,
Interesting that it is close to around half the cost of a 100kW
Siemens inverter.
If you feed itwith 3 phase from the motor side and regulate regen input,
you instantly get 100kW water cooled charger for $5k as small as
6kW PFC20. You get 5x of the value for you money with Siemens
approach (power wise)...
Should I get on and start turning inverters to the chargers?
practically no mods will be needed ;-)
Anyone got 400A 3 phase feed? It'll charge you in no time
and reliable solution is there if you want to try...
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Lee Hart wrote:
4. The Link-10 uses the - terminal of the pack as its "ground"
reference; all its input and output signals are referenced to
it. But since this - terminal has significant AC noise, so
does the Link-10's RS-232 Ground and Data pins! The voltage
*difference* between Ground and Data is "clean" and noise-free;
but both are bouncing together relative to chassis ground.
Don needs to have his laptop's neg supply reference to the neg.
side of the battery pack, not to the chassy. This menas he
cannot use 12V sigarette lighter output to power
laptop. He needs a DC-DC converter fed from the pack. Neg input
of this converter can be connected to the neg output, so there is
no noise on the output side vs. neg pack terminal. Then there
should be no problem (at least not so severe). Laptop neg supply
will have pack potential, but since the pack is isolated and laptop
has plastic case, this may be acceptable.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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I remember the fellow I met calling it that also. He told me it was a
nick-name
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
Hulbert
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From: "Stu or Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
RR,
The DKW owner referred to it as De Kleine Wonder.
BoyntonStu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Rau
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
Sorry, I had a typo. I think it's Deutsche Kleines Wagen
RR
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Rau
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
DKW= Deutsche Klein's Wagen= German small auto
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: lightweight 4wd Vehicles (was Re: 'Instant' Hybrid idea.)
Der Klein Wunder?
David C. Wilker Jr. USAF (RET)
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
- Harold S.
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On 6/16/05, Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lee Hart wrote:
>
> > 4. The Link-10 uses the - terminal of the pack as its "ground"
> > reference; all its input and output signals are referenced to
> > it. But since this - terminal has significant AC noise, so
> > does the Link-10's RS-232 Ground and Data pins! The voltage
> > *difference* between Ground and Data is "clean" and noise-free;
> > but both are bouncing together relative to chassis ground.
>
> Don needs to have his laptop's neg supply reference to the neg.
> side of the battery pack, not to the chassy. This menas he
> cannot use 12V sigarette lighter output to power
> laptop. He needs a DC-DC converter fed from the pack.
I don't think so Victor - laptops tend to have isolated, switch mode
supplies. The laptop chassis will therefore be floating, however he
provides power to it's PSU.
> Neg input
> of this converter can be connected to the neg output, so there is
> no noise on the output side vs. neg pack terminal. Then there
> should be no problem (at least not so severe). Laptop neg supply
> will have pack potential, but since the pack is isolated and laptop
> has plastic case, this may be acceptable.
In my opinion that's a safety hazard. An isolator should be used in
the RS232 signal from the E-meter to the laptop, end of story!
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