EV Digest 4663
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Battery choices Re: Alltrax 7245 controller
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Iota DC/DC. What to use.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Meyers Motors and the Sparrow?
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Woodburn Weekend part 2
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Electric boat on the cover of Wooden Boat magazine
by Seth Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Crushable bumper idea?
by "Stu or Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Newbe & more questions
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Meyers Motors and the Sparrow?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) More charging issues
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: More charging issues
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals newby report
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) White Zombie video, Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) The Scream'n Breakfast
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Woodburn 2005!
by Mark Dodrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Driving White Zombie
by Tim Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Thank for Ranger and solectria advice Bruce and Jeff
by "arthur marquardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: White Zombie video, Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) starting to research - boat
by "Joe askme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) EV powering a sailboat, Re: starting to research - boat
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The EV-145 is half an inch longer and three inches higher than the SCS225.
LR..............
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Battery choices Re: Alltrax 7245 controller
Hi Philip and All,
Philip Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: jerry dycus
Hi Lawrence and All,
The SCS225 is a true deep cycle battery. It's just that
it is smaller than the EV145 thus in the same app, worked harder thus
shorter life.
If you use the same lbs of batt for the same app, their
life would be little different.
The Floor sweeper batts just use 8v battery cells, just
more cells.
The above was talking about the 86 lb Trojan 5shp? and the EV145
floorsweeper maybe and not the SCS225.
If the SCS225 had the same cells as the 8V GC batteries, I would expect it
to be about the same height and width, and be about 1 1/2 times as long
and
1 1/2 times as heavy ( since it would have twice the number of cells), as
well as having the same ah ratings.
1.5x the cells or 6 instead of 4 cells.
None of these is close to true.
Or, did you mean the same plates as the 8V battery ( but fewer plates per
cell) ? But, I would think the height and width would have to be the same
as the 8 volters for that case also.
Only the width probably.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Phil
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Roderick Wilde is using a 120v Iota (30amp version) in Gone Postal. Gone
Postal is 240vdc as far as I know. Others have used the same model at
lesser voltages. One person said they used the 220v Iota at 144vdc. Does
it make a difference? Why are these devices working at obviously varied
voltages and above and below their ratings? I'd like to pay the least
amount for one of these devices. I think I can get by with 30 amps. That
one is close to 100 dollars.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
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Hi Sam and All,
Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So whats going on over at Meyers Motors with the Sparrow? Will we ever
see them in production again?
Probably not as they see it as too much a risk.
Will we ever see the Sparrow II?
Probably as they are interested in doing a better EV and have hired
Robert Q Riley as an engineer, designer so hopefully they will come out with
something.
They are doing repairs, mods on the present Sparrows to keep them going
and seem to be a good company. Let's wish them well even if they are a direct
competitor with me. But there is plenty of room for good 3wh EV's out there.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
-Sam
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Woodburn weekend Part 2: The car show
I awoke Saturday morning excited and eager to get to the restaurant for not
only the car show but to get some much needed food. After staring at the
ceiling for 2 hours it was light enough to get up and get ready. My worrying
over the twins was ebbing and I felt I would now able to get my eyes on the
rest of the awesome EVs that graced the show. This hope failed to materialize
as I found myself unable to escape the barrage of those attending the event.
The amount of interest this event generated was a huge success and Im sure it
will bear fruit to several new EVs owners driving the streets because they saw
it can be done!
The one thing this event and what I believe all your events lack or could be
better is a flier with a list of all the EV vendors who can help people get
there car from dream to reality. Im one to talk, heck I didnt even bring
business cards, lol. Seriously though, what would it take to get a basic
brochure with a national list of where to go to get started with basic FAQs?
Im pretty good at graphics and am willing to put together a nice brochure at
which point there would be just print costs to share and everyone would have
something to hand out. You guys drop their jaws, wet their whistle, and then
send them home where Id bet 99% go back to life as a gasser, not knowing how
to get started. I believe this would be a great tool to help Shepard the sheep
to the right field. Id be eager to hear any suggestions, comments, or ideas
on this and I am willing to take on this task if any are interested. With that
thought written, on with my post.
With the show winding down we all headed out to settled down at Waylands where
I heard for the first time the Zombie was ready to rock which left John being
able to socialize. Upon arriving I was bummed to hear I missed Tims sideways
burnout incident on his way out of the parking lot. Rod got busy trying to
get the front end of GP strapped down to see if he could gain more traction.
While seeing a 4300 Lb. Vehicle boil all 4 tires half way down the track and
still reaching 85 MPH at the trap is a fun thing to watch, Im sure its a lot
scarier for Rod, and he was doing all he could to put on a good show.
You could hear the Silver bullet running around the block as Keith and others
assembled an E-bike at which point my son strapped 72 volts and 81 pounds of
batteries into a broken pack Vise Gripped together and proceeded to reach what
looked like freeway speeds on this bike. At that point Wayland shut him down
to my relief as a dad, lol. The day slipped by with stories of legendary tails
that will no doubt still be talked about for decades. A truly wonderful day!
Many thanks to Cheryl Wayland who fed us and once again was a gracious hostess,
as to all that attended to make it happen, it was a great fill-in event between
races.
Matt and I returned to our room early for sleep but to no avail for me, as I
couldnt stop thinking about what 348 volts of turned up waking up Hawkers
would bring tomorrow
Part 2 of 3
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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I didn't get to go this year , but , Dave Clouds car sounds awesome. 8
e-teks, 96 volts of flooded batteries, No controller ( just series /
parallel switches).14.5 and 91 mph, WOW!
Brian D. Hall
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At newsstands now. A Solar array, Etek and battery job about 30 feet
long.
Officially last months issue, but still on the stands here.
Wrist is messed up so I can't write more...
Seth
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What I found of interest was that this same car on the same weight of
batteries and the same motors ran a 17.177 @ 67.77 mph on 48 volts. Although
a very impressive ET and speed for the voltage it does appear that his
vehicle did better at a higher voltage :-) If anyone can do it David can. He
never fails to amaze me with his ingenuity!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev post" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
I didn't get to go this year , but , Dave Clouds car sounds awesome. 8
e-teks, 96 volts of flooded batteries, No controller ( just series /
parallel switches).14.5 and 91 mph, WOW!
Brian D. Hall
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Woodburn Part 3
Sunday morning found Matt and I waking late and missing the Wayland caravan.
After fueling up on coffee and donuts we tailed it down to Woodburn where we
found we beat the group there. In short order most of the EVs were charging
up for their first runs of the day. Matt somehow talked Rod into riding his
E-Chopper, which he did all day long. Many thanks again Rod, as it was the
highlight of his trip.
Most of the day was good racing by all. Father Time seemed a bit bummed with
his take offs and not getting his little 12 volt motor to rev faster, but then
again he may have been thinking about his lazyboy race coming up, lol.
I told Rod in person but Id like it posted that there should be much praise
for Rod taking GP down to show and race with last minute patches and coming
knowing he had a limping motor. Thanks also to the one who lent the zilla
allowing this to happen as I had not seen GP in person (which I enjoyed) and it
would have been an even lighter showing had GP not been there.
White zombie was a sight to see all day, and the effort that was put into her
by all was rewarded with a great showing. The last run brought an EMF
flash-over that melted an eraser size hole in one brush holder and vaporizing
the brush spring closest to the arc area. I have reviewed the tape several
times and it clearly shows that after the burn out Motor Opps (AKA Matt of
Hi-torque) gave a no-go for flight after seeing the flash-over, at which point
mission control (AKA John break it Wayland) overrode the warning and giving a
go for throttle-up. The resulting run ended with a 104:14 run with only 15 of
the 16 brushes making contact. The lack of brush tension caused a bit of
arcing on the rear motor comm. but did not appear to have burnt the armature to
hard. Ill know more after getting my baby back from that mean man Wayland.
Ill report what I find as soon as I get the twins apart.
All in all I was pleasantly pleased with how the motors performed and feel that
the twin design is a viable way to attack multiple motor set-ups. Ill be
working with Keith at Dutchman motorsports, Madman, Rod, and of course John
Wayland as well as, Im sure, many others to develop motors aimed at individual
needs for both racers and daily drivers alike.
Although there is so much more to report it has all become a blur and Im
trying to keep these posts to a readable length. Id like to end this with a
huge thank you to all that attended, for making the Hi-Torque boys feel like
family. Driving home though I couldnt help but wonder where I was going to
get the time and money to do half the things I have in my head
Thanks for listening
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Richard,
Do you have any figures on how much force would it take to crush 60 beer
cans end-to-end?
BoyntonStu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Rau
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:41 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: Crushable bumper idea?
Stu's post raises an important point about the safety of beer can bumpers.
As an astute technician with a fair amount of R&D experience regarding the
compression characteristics of cylindrical aluminum containers, both full
and empty, I can confidently state that the resistance to compression
offered by a group of *empty* beer cans would be insufficient in providing
adequate deceleration of vehicles of significant mass. In light of this
fact, I heartily recommend that for the safety of all concerned, these
heretofore proposed alternative automotive bumpers be stocked only with
*full* beer cans.
Cleanup of the accident scene could surely be accomplished in a variety of
ways. And what a scene it would be.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stu or Jan
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 7:50 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: FW: Crushable bumper idea?
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From: stu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:36 AM
To: 'ev@listproc.sjsu.edu'
Subject: Crushable bumper idea?
Imagine a few dozen empty beer cans placed horizontally between 2 plates.
Upon impact, these cans will crush and they will decelerate the main vehicle
body.
Their weight would be insignificant but I believe that they might be very
effective in reducing bodily injury.
A bonus is that the cost of replacement after an accident is something to
celebrate.
I'll drink to that!
BoyntonStu
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Hi All,
I have been reading the list for a month or so and am ready to test the
waters. I hope to start small with various parts I have on hand.
I am thinking of converting a Harley Servi-car (three wheeler) that has been
taking up a corner of the shop for many years. I have a Prestolite motor
out of a Prime Mover stock picker that is rated 24V but I can't find
anything on the motor at either prestolite or Prime Mover. The "part #" on
the motor is MKU 4005 and serial number is P 25968. The nameplate doesn't
have either rpm or a KW rating. It is 7.25" dia and 11" OA length. It was
mounted on a gearbox without a front bearing, just a seal. I am hoping I
get lucky and the seal can be replaced with a stock bearing (1.1875" shaft
by 2" housing). Does anyone have any idea what this motor might be rated at
power wise? It has a straight splined shaft and I think I can adapt a
sproket to it.
I am thinking of either 4 or 6 ea. 6 volt lead acids for power depending on
what I can fit in the box and what the motor will handle.
There are several contactors on the lift truck that should work for forward
& reverse and main power and I have a left over brand new SRE PC325
controller (24-48 volt 325 cont. 1000 peak) from a no longer existing
forklift. It will take a 5K input for speed control. I expect to remove
the transmission and set the drive chain ratio to the best compromise I can
come up with. I am not looking for a racer, just a commuter to get my feet
wet before I go for a Ranger conversion.
Any thoughts/input will be reatly appreciated.
John
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I don't know about production again, but Peter
Senkowski 707.350.0156 has been snapping up Raptor
600s and 1200s.
My last understanding was that he's concerned about
improving the design as it pertains to regulating the
AGM batteries.
--- Sam Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So whats going on over at Meyers Motors with the
> Sparrow? Will we ever
> see them in production again? Will we ever see the
> Sparrow II?
>
> -Sam
>
>
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I've been traveling perhaps 5-10 miles at best, then
today I did a 20-25 mile run, with lots of hard hill
work, @ 55 mph., 3 people in the rig during the
hardest 5 mi. of hills. Down to 2 power bars already?
So much for my range...
Question: Are those many short runs affecting my
range?
Question: Nawaz at US Battery says 2.65 is about the
highest SG reading I'll get in floodies; on-roaders
say "Don't be surprised if you get 3.00". Who is
right?
Thanks,
--- Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found a resource which charts voltage vs SOC for
> lead acid batteries
> at various rates of charge and discharge:
> http://www.homepower.com/files/battvoltandsoc.pdf
>
> I'd like to try to integrate that into my battery
> meter, just as
> additional information, it still counts amp-hrs.
> The exactness of this
> chart would of course be in question since it
> depends on battery
> characteristics based on age, technology, and
> temperature but I'd still
> like to see how it works out.
>
> The thing is, is this based on a mathematical
> equation or what? Copying
> those charts into table data would be a pretty crude
> solution. I really
> need the original equation (if it exists), does
> anybody know where I can
> find it? This isn't an extension of Peukert's
> equation, is it?
>
> Danny
>
>
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Hello Bob,
Short range is ok. If you keep above 50 percent discharge, your batteries will
last longer. A ICE 12 volt battery is always at 80 percent and I have gotten
10 years out of them.
The specific gravity of a new battery is about 1.265 SG. When you discharge
and charge it several times, you are reducing the water content of the
electrolyte. This makes the electrolyte at times to climb to about 1.275 while
the electrolyte level will be down a bit.
Never add water at end of charge. It is best to add just enough to get above
the plates at about 50 percent charge. Charging will mix the water and the
electrolyte will rise.
If you add it up to the bottom of the filler neck at 50 percent or at end of
charge, then you are diluting the electrolyte, making it less than 1.265 SG.
After charging the batteries and the level only comes up about 1/2 inch below
the filler neck and the electrolyte reads higher than 1.265 than add 1/2 inch
of water on the next discharge cycle at 50 percent so it will mix.
Also checking the electrolyte after the battery has been setting several days
with out running the EV or charging, the top portion of the electrolyte could
read less than 1.265 while the bottom portion could read as high as 1.300. It
is normal for the electrolyte to be stronger at the bottom of a cell and weak
at the top. Cause by the heavy acid to settle to the bottom.
When you do a Specific Gravity reading, you are reading the top portion. This
could threw you off and you think your battery is more discharge than you
thought.
Roland
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From: Bob Bath<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: More charging issues
I've been traveling perhaps 5-10 miles at best, then
today I did a 20-25 mile run, with lots of hard hill
work, @ 55 mph., 3 people in the rig during the
hardest 5 mi. of hills. Down to 2 power bars already?
So much for my range...
Question: Are those many short runs affecting my
range?
Question: Nawaz at US Battery says 2.65 is about the
highest SG reading I'll get in floodies; on-roaders
say "Don't be surprised if you get 3.00". Who is
right?
Thanks,
--- Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> I found a resource which charts voltage vs SOC for
> lead acid batteries
> at various rates of charge and discharge:
>
http://www.homepower.com/files/battvoltandsoc.pdf<http://www.homepower.com/files/battvoltandsoc.pdf>
>
> I'd like to try to integrate that into my battery
> meter, just as
> additional information, it still counts amp-hrs.
> The exactness of this
> chart would of course be in question since it
> depends on battery
> characteristics based on age, technology, and
> temperature but I'd still
> like to see how it works out.
>
> The thing is, is this based on a mathematical
> equation or what? Copying
> those charts into table data would be a pretty crude
> solution. I really
> need the original equation (if it exists), does
> anybody know where I can
> find it? This isn't an extension of Peukert's
> equation, is it?
>
> Danny
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)!
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html<http://www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html>
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wow go away for the weekend and return to 273 e mails
on this list alone.
I arrived in Protland Friday after noon and after
stopping by SCOOT-ON-THIS to pick up my 750watt pit
scooter i set off to the Montevilla to meet up with
Bob Rice and then scootin over to Waylands for the pre
Invitational gathering. Wow again Tim, Mark, John,
Jim, matt, Roy, Bob, and half a dozen more were all
still working on the Zombie. Race time was just a few
hours away wire were being connected to the hair
ball/zilla and the batteries were not hooked up nor
had they been given their first charge. I stood in
awe as folks scurried here and ther putting the final
touches on the car. Bob, Roy And I took the Jeep and
trailer to a Local Fred Meyer where we picked up the
Silver Bulet datsun---actually I just went along for
the ride but it was fun to feel like part of the
action. Finally around 8 o'clock we were in a long
carravan to PIR. By the time we got there Rod Wilde
andGon Posta were lined up and "madman" Rudman with
Goldie had already made a couple of runs I don't thin
either of them made it into the 100MPH club but it was
wnderful to see them there and get the crowd reaction
every time an electric ran. finally John got to run
and things went well for him all night. he made 4
runs all over 100 MPH and sure surprised one corvett
owner when he left him at the lights but even with all
this activity and fast racing the most interesting and
encouraging thing happened the next day. Sat morn and
The village Inn. FIAMP, SILVER BULLET, WHITE ZOMBIE,
BLUE MEANIE, ELECTRO TRAC?, VICTORS ACCORD WITH A
PLUG, GONE POSTAL, FRANKENDRAGON, AND AN UNAMED BLUE
CHEVY PLUS ASSORTED SCOTTERS AND ROY LEMUERS BIKE....
but the real clencher was 3 or 4 hours of constant
interest from just folks questions and knowing
answers.. that was reall impressive. people are
intreste and desirous of EVs. well there was wood
burn too but this post has gone on way beyond what is
necessary. so I'll stop but If you get a chance you
really should go to one of the big EV events. this was
not my first but it was one of the most interesting
and educational..Hope to see you at the next EVent
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yes yes yes it wasn't the fastest overall but $4$ It
was way faster and certianly more inovative than
anything else there
--- "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I didn't get to go this year , but , Dave Clouds car
> sounds awesome. 8
> e-teks, 96 volts of flooded batteries, No controller
> ( just series /
> parallel switches).14.5 and 91 mph, WOW!
> Brian D. Hall
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Jim Husted said:
> ...
> her by all was rewarded with a great showing. The last run brought an EMF
> flash-over that melted an eraser size hole in one brush holder and
> vaporizing the brush spring closest to the arc area. I have reviewed the
> tape several times and it clearly shows that after the burn out Motor
> Opps (AKA Matt of Hi-torque) gave a no-go for flight after seeing the
> flash-over, at which point mission control (AKA John break it Wayland)
> overrode the warning and giving a go for throttle-up. The resulting run
> ended with a 104:14 run with only 15 of the 16 brushes making contact.
> The lack of brush tension caused a bit of arcing on the rear motor comm.
> but did not appear to have burnt the armature to hard. Ill know more
> after getting my baby back from that mean man Wayland. Ill report what I
> find as soon as I get the twins apart.
I've put together footage from a couple different cameras into a video
clip of Tim's last run in the White Zombie, in which you can just make out
John's voice in the background giving the go-ahead after the dramatic
arcing incident. And it's a fantastic run:
http://ohmbre.org/video/woodburn_2005/waylandslastrun_284x288_divx.avi
(I've compressed it to divx format to save bandwidth; you'll need a
corresponding codec).
I haven't had time today, but I'll be putting up images and more video in
the next couple of days, and I'll post here when I do. Woodburn has been
a blast every year I've attended; this year was no different.
--chris
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8 hours after I left the Track... I find myself at the Village Inn in
Portland... with my crazy friends once again... Just a quite Breakfast with the
Wayland crowd... Yea right....
Even the Hostess know us all... You want Silk Pie... and hashbrowns???
Right...??? Ummm no Ma'm Orange Juice and.... some kind of protien... most
likely... Eggs and Mushrooms.
Ok where's Da Man..... John is hiding.....he agrees with me about something
that I said last year some time, and won't admit it in public... Especially
with the Dutchman standing there...
Oh Great.. what kind of Fame and fortune have I been assigned today...
Ricky True steals my Breakfast, That Kid has cost me more than a few piecs
of Pie on the 5000 miles of seat time we have together in his Dad's Truck.
There is no doubt he could make a mere Omlette evaporate in 30 seconds.... I
get my Egg fix back after some ribbing....
The lack of sleep is taking it's toll by now... I got to my folks place at
1:43Am... only to find Dad turned the Water heater breaker off since they are
in Wisconsin.... no hot shower for a Bone tired Madman. But I made Damn sure
the breaker was on for my morning's wake up shower... Life just is not
tolerable with out a warm up shower...
Back to the Fray... The pretty cars were all lined up, and I Kept Goldie
chained to the tow truck... she's ugly, and I intend to bail for home just as
soon as I can escape the Wayland Spell of non stop EV fun.
The Weather Saturday morning is as perfect as you can get up here in the
Northwest... We are all working on our last sunburn of the year, I need Skull
protection... and some more water. I am cramping up and getting stiffer by the
minute... this just can't last for a lot longer...
I promised to help Plasma boy get his new set of Regs installed, and tweaked,
but Well he has about 10 other folks to help out, and it's certain he is
stalling me to keep me there and not bail for home... We get over to Plasma
central, he's yakking and I am trying to get him to find the Regs and get on
with it... but E bikes to build, Gp to fix, Zorched motors to show and tell,
and other busted stuff and all the other fun things that happen when you get
all us NEDRA guys in one place... NOpe won't work!!! yes it will....
seee!!..... It torques like this, it's soo stiff it must be.... that, on and
on...
Hey John have you checked your brushes yet, ZAP!... Madman is dancing around
with a cute arc mark on his hand... What the hell!!! the main disconnect
is..... simply not there... electrons have crossed 6 inches of clear air to
shock me pretty good. There is a clear 180 volt leak in the solid laws of
physics, That brush did not get inspected.....ouch!
Cheryl got the food out, and by this time I am limping and really stiff, like a
Million years old.... The drive to eat and grab as much Caffiene as I can stand
and get out of here is getting to be greater than the wish to play Ev
Racer....John still has not pikced up one Reg and started to install it... so
it's time to bail or find a corner to degrade into....With a 16 Once cup of
Coke... I make my escape to the Ranger and Goldie in Tow.
Darn I wanted to be at Woodburn... But I have my sane reasons for going
home.... I fianlly got it all strait in my head about Dark and 200 miles
farther North.
So.. It was a really fun day....and I survived it.....Barley
Madman
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Several others have already chimed in about Woodburn, but I'll add my 2
cents as well.
This was my first time attending a NEDRA event, and I was really looking
forward to it. My wife, Kandi, also decided to join me, which made for
really nice company. So, we packed up the 3 kids off to my parents for the
weekend, and drove down.
We decided to stay at the track in a tent, because we like camping, and it
would be easier not having to go anywhere to be a part of the event. After
seeing the dragstrip, we headed off to John Wayland's house. When we got
there, there was the hum of activity, but still a very casual atmosphere.
John and Cheryl's reputation for hospitality was completely confirmed during
our time there. White Zombie was completely finished and ready for racing
right before dinner. Gone Postal got some reworking by Rod, Rich, and
others. It was nice to see some folks from the Austin EV group as well--hats
off to traveling all this way! John's daughter's electric bike even got
hopped up to 72v of Hawkers in a backpack, causing the rider to go 40 if not
50 mph down the suburban street. While it was both amusing and amazing
watching that bicycle rip down the street, John and others urged them to
slow down for safety, and to not wreck the bike. :)
You really have to see pictures of the interior of the White Zombie. It is
truly incredible how clean, neat, and fresh that car looked. Certainly, its
tremendous performance during the weekend perfectly compliments its looks.
After things wrapped up, we all went out for dinner at a Mexican restaurant
that is a favorite for Woodburn goers. I got to talk with Bob Rice (Mr.
Amtrack), from CT, for a while, which was neat. Since John's house is about
35 minutes from the track, we had to head out to get our tent setup and in
bed at the track. It was amazing to see all the RVs and fancy trailers from
all the Jr. Dragster parents.
The next morning, we got up and had some breakfast while waiting for the
EVs to arrive. Dave Cloud was the first to come in the gates with his car.
While I helped him and Steve Nash unload and setup, Gone Postal arrived,
followed by White Zombie, (at 8:35am), the Silver Bullet, Father Time and
the rest. The Jr Drags got underway right at 9am, and boy were they loud! We
got a charging station setup by John Wayland's truck, with a 10kw standalone
charger outside, and an 8kw charger in the truck.
After the first round of Jr Drags went, all the EV's went up, and did runs,
one at a time. It was quite eerey to hear the lack of sound as the took off
as compared to the Jr Drag's alcohol machines. The noise of those machines
was way louder than even the generators were, and I was right next to them.
This alternating of Jr Drags and EV's went on from then through about 4pm or
so. Many of the Jr Drag boys and girls watched the EVs with great interest.
Back some months ago, Dave Cloud talked about his plans for Woodburn at the
SEVA meeting. He talked about how he was going to setup his car with 8 Eteks
to show what could be done with that system, even with much lower voltages
than others have typically done. He sure did deliver what he said he would!
Every run that car made (with Steve Nash driving) was faster than the last
one, with no breakdowns or failures. I believe the last run was over 96 mph
in the 1/4 mile! This car can certainly get into the 100mph club.
For White Zombie, the first run was really neat, since Tim drove it to a
1/4 finish speed of 100.00 mph exactly! The next four runs were in the
103-104 mph range, with slightly varying ET times, mostly based on reaction
time, and how much slip occurred at the start.
Having a small number of vehicles to race was nice in one respect. I was
helping with the charging for some vehicles, and we would get them all
charged, then they would all race, and then we would go again, so we could
both help and charge without missing any of the action. PFC's were all over
the place for charging, and I could really see how they make fast charging
possible. Pounding 30+ amps into Gone Postal at 280+ volts was quite
something to see!
Viktor T brought his Honda conversion with his Ultracaps in place. He was
also able to give a nice smoke show at the line, on only Ultracap power,
which the audience appreciated.
There were also some electric bikes, a chopper, and a few other electric
vehicles (sorry, I didn't catch the names of everyone that was there).
I would like to thank the NEDRA board and volunteers for all their help in
setting up and running this event. I can really see the heart and soul of
those people coming through and their sincere desire to support EVs.
The only things that were missing from this awesome event were: 1) You as
a spectator, and 2) You bringing your own vehicle to drive (drag racer or
not). This is way too much fun to not be involved with!! If we get more
vehicles to run, we can get larger and quieter generators, which will allow
us to charge more in parallel, and get more runs in!
Pictures coming soon to: http://www.dodrill.us/woodburn05/index.html
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Mark
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Hi everyone,
It's the day after woodburn, Finally a day to relax. John and I have been
working many hours for the last several months trying to get White Zombie
together before the race season is over. The car had not seen the road or track
since Woodburn 2004, but I think the newest version of the Zombie was worth the
wait.
I'm sure John is working on the Wayland invitational and EV car show posts.
I'll just talk about Woodburn, since Woodburn was especially exiting for me.
After finishing the Zombie enough to race on Friday night at the Wayland
invitational I watched John Make some impressive runs down the 1/4 mile track,
beating his record on the third run.I drive The other Wayland EV's on a regular
basis, but never imagined John would ask me to drive this insane machine at the
biggest race of the year (well, I guess not that big this year). I only got one
test drive on the street before arriving at Woodburn. I won't go too much into
detail, but I almost had to change my shorts!!! The car handles pretty well on
the sticky racetrack, but on the street the Zombie has a mind of it's own with
the sticky rear tires trying to pass the front tires any chance they get. The
short wheel base car took allot of effort to keep straight under even light
acceleration. I was Getting scared, What's this ca!
r going
to do when I mash it to the floor at the track? And the Zilla is turned
down!!!!!!
Race day arrived early Sunday, I had to drive to the Wayland house to
load up the car and tow it to the track. By now I was very nervous, since this
was the first time I had ever been on a track and I was convinced the car was
going to be uncontrollable off the line like it was on the street. We pulled
into the track on time and the Zombie was the first one off the trailer (unlike
previous years). I filled out the paperwork and went to the announcing tower to
turn in my drivers card and informed them this was my first time on a track. I
think they were a little surprised that I was driving White Zombie my first
time out. After a basic rundown of track procedure I was ready to race.
I made my way through the staging lanes, teched in and made my way to the
lights. The Light turned green and I mashed my foot to the floor! the tires
screamed and the car shot off the line. The little Datsun slammed my back into
the seat and pulled hard all the way down the track. Not knowing were the end
of the track was I might have slowed down too early(I still don't know were the
end is). My first run wasn't bad 13.07 @ 96.47. Pretty good for cold batteries
and no experience. My nervousness quickly turned into a huge EV grin. My second
run was better, with warmer batteries and turning the parallel amp in the Zilla
from 1800 to 2000 amps I ran [EMAIL PROTECTED] I returned to the pits, still
wearing a giant EV grin John decided it was time to turn the Zilla up to 1700
series amps from 1500 and leaving the parallel amp maxed out. With the series
amps turned up I had major traction issues, spinning the tires and going a
little sideways off the line. the tires hooked up af!
ter about
twenty feet and slammed me into the seat again [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The car got
faster each run with run four [EMAIL PROTECTED] run five [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
finally vaporizing a brush spring during the burnout before run six and still
running [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out that run at www.Plasmaboyracing.com. It was
a pretty good day of racing with no major damage and only minor bruising on my
back from the 3.3G take offs and that lump in the seat.
Thank to everyone for making my first Woodburn experience enjoyable
Tim Brehm
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Bruce:
I am wondering from what I have seen of the Ranger pictures it appears the bat
compartment is retained at six hardpoints and is flat on its underside. My
brother suggested the possibility of renting a pallet mover these are electric
but I think they could lift up to the 7 " of ground clearance although they are
2" off the floor that makes a drop of ~5" you would need a double wide garage
or large drive that is level. I'm thinking you would have to jack the ranger up
and put stable supports under it if 5" doesn't get the pack clear. Make sure
you get a mover that will handle over a ton. At his work they have battery
pullers for the lift trucks that are similar they pull 1700 lbs. batteries
since the left wheels are at the front of the forks the unit shouldn't tip back
to front of course side to side you would have to be careful.
Thanks
Jeff:
I will contact you personally I e-mailed Tom as you suggested.
Thanks
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At 12:25 AM 6/09/05 -0500, chris wrote:
http://ohmbre.org/video/woodburn_2005/waylandslastrun_284x288_divx.avi
(I've compressed it to divx format to save bandwidth; you'll need a
corresponding codec).
OK, where from? the 4 video viewers I have just throw a fit when I try and
view it.
Thanks
James
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I would like to start researching converting my sailboat aux. engine to
electric.
30', 10,000 lb vessel that uses engine only for about an hour a trip,
although a trip south is planned in the future that would require ~ 10 hour
days of motoring.
There is presently a 30 hp gasoline engine, that does not come close to
using 30 hp, at the low rpm it runs, I am told it only gets to about 15.
Some conversions have been replaced with 13 hp diesels.
So, where do I start to find out what I require to do the job, where to look
for parts, etc.
I have looked through evparts.com, and although they have some pricing,
there is no place to determine what I need, what batteries will do the job,
how many I need, etc.
Thanks for the help!!
Joe
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Hi Joe and All,
What kind, make, model of boat and how good a sailor is it?
How good a sailor are you?
And what waters, time of yr you will be sailing the long
distance?
What speed do you want to motor at?
Until we know these things, your question can not be
really answered.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Joe askme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to start researching converting my sailboat aux. engine to
electric.
30', 10,000 lb vessel that uses engine only for about an hour a trip,
although a trip south is planned in the future that would require ~ 10 hour
days of motoring.
There is presently a 30 hp gasoline engine, that does not come close to
using 30 hp, at the low rpm it runs, I am told it only gets to about 15.
Some conversions have been replaced with 13 hp diesels.
So, where do I start to find out what I require to do the job, where to look
for parts, etc.
I have looked through evparts.com, and although they have some pricing,
there is no place to determine what I need, what batteries will do the job,
how many I need, etc.
Thanks for the help!!
Joe
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