EV Digest 4670
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Beware, Re: "Low Speed Vehicle"
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Fwd: Re: Iota DC/DC. What to use.
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: 48v source?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: 'THATS NOT GOOD'
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EMF flashover was White Zombie Fireball Graph
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Siemens EV Motors
by Mike Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: 'THATS NOT GOOD'
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: IT'S ALL GOOD / Siamese up-date
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Chico EAA No meeting in Sept. . Next EAA meeting OCT. 8th
by "Chuck Alldrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Siamese 8 Motor Post-racing Update
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: White Zombie video, Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: 'THATS NOT GOOD'
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EV on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14) Re: White Zombie video, Re: Woodburn NEDRA Nationals
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: IT'S ALL GOOD / Siamese up-date
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Woodburn 2005!
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV Feeding Frenzy
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Used motors & Porsche 924
by "John Luck Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EVLN(BMW/DaimlerChrysler/GM hybrid project)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) EVLN(New Delhi: Tata Motors woos EV motor companies)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) EVLN(KIA Pride hybrid production in 2006)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) EVLN(Goldstein: huge pent-up demand for electric cars)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) EVLN(Subaru EV: 50 mile range, 15 minute recharging time)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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You may be able to get a dispensation from the Sheriff in your area. Just
enough to get you to the 35mph zone. You might also use a farm vehicle
triangle and drive on the sholder. Just some thoughts. LR..
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Beware, Re: "Low Speed Vehicle"
Hi Mark and All,
Mark Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I was curious when trying to get a tag for my Bombardier (bought last
week), they had a "Low Speed Vehicle" restriction on the type of vehicle
on the Title. They issue a 25mph restricted tag for this catagory which
means I can't drive it on the roads since most of the country roads around
and in Roanoke are 45mph. Some downtown are 35mph.
I believe you are restricted to 35mph roads and under. This is
why I was surprised you bought that vehicle which is an NEV.
Anyway is there a title service someone knows of that can change the
restriction? I initially sent it back asking the seller to change it since
he originally had "Utility Trailer" on it and that got rejected.
If I had it here in Fla, I'd hop it up to 45mph or so, then with
it's new parts, register it as an Assembled from Parts car like any
vehicle you built from scratch as it no longer fits the NEV catagory.
Your state may be different. Call up the local DOT office or
whomever handles home built vehicles, hot rods, ect and don't even mention
it's an NEV as it is just the source of parts, ask them how to register a
built from scratch vehicle and what it requires, here in Fla, just lights,
horn, brakes an go 40mph.. As long as you have the bill of sale for it and
any new parts, it should be able to be retitled as a car. Always refer to
the NEV as a source of parts, not as an NEV..
I'd consider getting your money back as it's illegal to sell a
vehicle without the correct title in most states as it is considered
fraud. You should get it back in small claims court if nothing else. Keep
the original utility trailer docs to prove this.
The guy with the Kewets is back in Fla, are you still interested?
I'll see him next week.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Thanks, Mark
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Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Seems the 120v version will take spikes of up to 190v. So double that for
>the 220v version? They also have brownout protection. There was one report
>of a user getting the 220v version to work with a 144v system. LR.......
And it's Ok to use these as a DC-DC? I looked at their site and found no
mention of supporting DC input. I don't know enough about electronics to know
if this is obvious or not, but I'd like to know I'm not flirting with disaster.
Dave Cover
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make a google search on Soneil 48v charger
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: 48v source?
> I need a 48v battery charger (or maybe power supply) small enough to use
> on-board a scooter - anyone have one or know of a source for a surplus
one?
> eBay hasn't been too forthcoming.
>
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Christopher Robison wrote:
Credit where credit is due, Matt's voice is clear in that shot because he
Actually.. I think everyone is right. Its clearly Bob Rice saying
"that's not good" in John's video.. but in Chris's its someone else
(presumably Matt).
Mark Farver
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I was wondering today on how to fuse this nasty
little demon. If we can't remove the problem
then I was thinking that by running a small wire
attached to the holder by a diode or fuse, would
it attract the voltage to an "arc here" area and
not to the fragile sheet brass the holder, or
the soft underbelly of a poor spring? Im
thinking these would act like small little
lightning rods to divert the damage to an area
that could take it or even better yet fuse it.
How cool would it have been to replace a screw
in part and race some more? Anyways, all
comments welcome.
Don't worry Jim,
As soon as John turns the motor voltage down the
the 170V I always recommend, (or 150V if they are
not broken in yet) the problem will go away.
You'll notice it was right about 170V that it
happened.
I'm just catching up on over 2000 messages from
the last week, but I must say this:
Fantastic John! You sure pulled it off this time!
Great Work! You make us all proud!
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I called up the guy selling the motors and he said that a customer bought 20
of them back in May, and they're interested in buying the rest of them. He
said they are available again (off "hold"), but he seems to think that he's
got some hot customers. 143 motors at $2k apiece without controllers seems
to be an oddball kind of product. I'm interested in developing my own
controller, but there wouldn't be enough margin in that price.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Roden
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Siemens EV Motors
On 7 Sep 2005 at 6:47, Don Cameron wrote:
> He also said the whole lot is going to be sold today or tomorrow ...
To a metal recycler?
Actually, these motors will probably go to waste, which is a real shame. If
there were a proven market for these motors, and if there were enough of
them, it might be possible to design or adapt an inverter for them. But I
suspect the quantity is too small and the market too specialized to make
that worthwhile.
The only real market I can think of for them is advanced hobbyists who can
design and build their own inverters. That can't be a very big market, nor
is any such person likely to spend very much on an orphan motor like this
one.
Sounds like somebody paid too much for a lot of motors, not realizing how
difficult it would be to match them up with inverters. So it goes.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Upon further ponderance of the evidence I'll have to say that Mark called right!
Bob said "That Wasn't Good"
and Matt said " That's Not Good"
Two definate soundtracks.
This is great!! See what I meant last year about getting more, higher quality
cameras at the events.? We're almost professional videographers now. Many
angles, many sound-bites, why wasn't Discovery there? Then again, why wasn't I
there....?
Shawn, are we doing January in Florida?
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Farver
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 'THATS NOT GOOD'
Christopher Robison wrote:
>Credit where credit is due, Matt's voice is clear in that shot because
>he
>
>
Actually.. I think everyone is right. Its clearly Bob Rice saying "that's
not good" in John's video.. but in Chris's its someone else (presumably
Matt).
Mark Farver
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Matt and I were splitting a gut this morning as we posted the post. The
funnest part of my video is not Bob and or Matt statements but that of Wayland
saying and I quoate " NO,NO,NO, thats OKAY, let him go" It still makes me
chuckle. He says it in what sounds like less than one second, and if you
listen close you can hear the drool splatter shortly after,lmao.
John just called and he is now heading over the mountain with his motor and we
should be able to perform a zourchindectimee before we leave today. Can't tell
you how much fun it has been to have been part of what Matt and I call "the
Zourch seen round the world" but it does somehow feel a little like getting
caught in your underwear while checking your mail. I'd like to give credit to
whoever coined the phrase Zourched as it is now a common word here at
Hi-Torque. You guys have changed my world and I thank each and every one of you
Cya
Jim Husted
Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christopher Robison wrote:
>Credit where credit is due, Matt's voice is clear in that shot because he
>
>
Actually.. I think everyone is right. Its clearly Bob Rice saying
"that's not good" in John's video.. but in Chris's its someone else
(presumably Matt).
Mark Farver
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The next meeting of the Chico EAA will be Sat. Oct 8th.
Details will be sent before that date.
Chuck Alldrin
530-899-1835
www.energy-alternatives.com
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chuck Alldrin Chico, CA. KN6JS Ham call
"If my people...will humble themselves and pray...I will heal their land."
II Chronicles 7:14
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John Wayland,congrats.on your seamless flo through 100mph.Another .6 seconds
and you will be racing the super pro ICES.That class races 7.50 to 11.99
seconds and its where the decent bracket money is.I sure hope you bracket race
the
ices this year,its fun taking home their prize money.I believe your track has
at least 2 big buck bracket races left this year,along with the countless
other smaller bracket races in your area.Besides the money and local bragging
rights you would get another EV in the National Dragster publication.
Overall I am very impressed with your cars present et
and mph,but if you are spining hard off the line and not pulling much after
half track I would say you need taller tires or a ratio change to take
advantage
of all that lo end torque that Jim made for you. Dennis Berube
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The plots posted are listing motor amps (divided by 10). The
Zilla's DAQ4 mode does not publish battery amps (I don't think.. the
manual lists 8 values, but I am getting 9 from the hairball, any one
hazard a guess on what the extra value is?).
The current manual shows nine:
DAQ 4:
DrivePot
Speed1
ArmatureCurrent
ZCurrentLimit
ArmDC
BatteryVoltage
MotorVoltage
HeatSinkTemp
OperatingStatus
After that you get a number of letters indicating various details.
At the end of Run 6 I am not sure what is happening. The Zilla is
not at 100%, but motor amps is falling way off. Maybe battery
current limit?
Looks like it to me.
Is it worth adding a calculated value for battery amps to the
graphs? (Motor Volts * Motor Amps / Battery Volts =) It will be a
little inaccurate since the I do not know the Zilla's efficiency...
Yes, I'd say it's worth it. But I'd use duty cycle and motor amps to
be more accurate.
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http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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In order to please everyone, the new commercials will no longer feature
an electric/hybrid car gracefully passing other models since it is
unfairly implies electric cars are slow; White Zombie is quite peppy.
The new commercial has been changed to portray their product gracefully
passing an exploding White Zombie.
That's not good either....
Danny
Tim Humphrey wrote:
Upon further ponderance of the evidence I'll have to say that Mark called right!
Bob said "That Wasn't Good"
and Matt said " That's Not Good"
Two definate soundtracks.
This is great!! See what I meant last year about getting more, higher quality
cameras at the events.? We're almost professional videographers now. Many
angles, many sound-bites, why wasn't Discovery there? Then again, why wasn't I
there....?
Shawn, are we doing January in Florida?
Stay Charged!
Hump
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There's an EV listed in eBay. The style is a bit dated for my taste...
So I thought I'd pass it along.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4573483852
Richard Kelly
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Otmar wrote:
The plots posted are listing motor amps (divided by 10). The Zilla's
DAQ4 mode does not publish battery amps (I don't think.. the manual
lists 8 values, but I am getting 9 from the hairball, any one hazard
a guess on what the extra value is?).
The current manual shows nine:
DAQ 4:
DrivePot
Speed1
ArmatureCurrent
ZCurrentLimit
ArmDC
BatteryVoltage
MotorVoltage
HeatSinkTemp
OperatingStatus
After that you get a number of letters indicating various details.
Ah, got it.. I was assuming Operating Status was referring to the
letters, but its actually the last numeric field. The manual is
correct, I was just reading it wrong (typical).
Is it worth adding a calculated value for battery amps to the
graphs? (Motor Volts * Motor Amps / Battery Volts =) It will be a
little inaccurate since the I do not know the Zilla's efficiency...
Yes, I'd say it's worth it. But I'd use duty cycle and motor amps to
be more accurate.
Not sure what you mean. Motor amps * (duty cycle in %) = Battery amps?
Mark Farver
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Jim, it was great meeting you in person. You are like a kid in a candy
store. Your enthusiasm for the sport is infectious and brings much
excitement to electric drag racing. Welcome aboard as one of the newest
ampheads on the block. I can't wait to see what kind of racer you will build
yourself!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: IT'S ALL GOOD / Siamese up-date
Matt and I were splitting a gut this morning as we posted the post. The
funnest part of my video is not Bob and or Matt statements but that of
Wayland saying and I quoate " NO,NO,NO, thats OKAY, let him go" It still
makes me chuckle. He says it in what sounds like less than one second,
and if you listen close you can hear the drool splatter shortly
after,lmao.
John just called and he is now heading over the mountain with his motor
and we should be able to perform a zourchindectimee before we leave today.
Can't tell you how much fun it has been to have been part of what Matt and
I call "the Zourch seen round the world" but it does somehow feel a little
like getting caught in your underwear while checking your mail. I'd like
to give credit to whoever coined the phrase Zourched as it is now a common
word here at Hi-Torque. You guys have changed my world and I thank each
and every one of you
Cya
Jim Husted
Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christopher Robison wrote:
Credit where credit is due, Matt's voice is clear in that shot because he
Actually.. I think everyone is right. Its clearly Bob Rice saying
"that's not good" in John's video.. but in Chris's its someone else
(presumably Matt).
Mark Farver
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John,
Are those tags expired on the Zombie license plate?! Can you still drive it
to the local track with the lighter Hawker pack?
BB
http://paul-g.home.comcast.net/zombie07.JPG
>http://paul-g.home.comcast.net/woodburn.htm
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Wish your yard was closer, hehe, I'd try to get into one of those 100/mo
deals :op
I just got out from under 165/mo truck payment (paid it off) and am wanting
to get an EV by either buying one already converted or converting my own.
Unfortunately, I'm in arkansas and haven't found any for sale near me and
would need to make payments anyways because I'm broke :o/
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From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: EV Feeding Frenzy
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <
No feeding frenzy here in Port Townsend, Washington. I am selling a 1980
Jet Electrica for a lady who bought a Prius.
Same here , lots of talk , but you still can't build one and sell it and
make your parts money and labor . I have my fleet of EV's ready to go
www.grassrootsev.com .. I just got two out of my yard by letting them go
for $100 per month and keeping them up for sale at the price watch
reflects parts and labor .
It is upgraded to 108 volts, has
fairly new batteries, a Curtis controller upgrade and DC to DC converter
at $5,500.00 and it has been in the paper for six weeks and no inquires
at all until recently from just one person from Eastern Washington.
sounds like good deal ,
steve clunn
reasons
we moved our business to the next county.
Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore
www.evparts.com
1-360-385-7082
Phone: 360-582-1270 Fax: 360-582-1272
PO Box 834, Carlsborg, WA 98324
108-B Business Park Loop, Sequim, WA 98382
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From: "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:19 AM
Subject: EV Feeding Frenzy
Howdy Folk's,
I had my E-jeep (Geo Tracker) in Roanoke, VA on Ebay this week-end and
people from as far away as Co Spgs flew in to see it and take a ride. A
couple guys rode their motorcycles from Tennessee. A couple from PA
wanted to strap a windmill on the roof and drive forever, offered $9k
but I ended up selling to a guy in NY at $9.1k who got the final bid in
the last 10 seconds of the auction at 1:40am Monday morning.
I directed all the EV wannabees to www.evalbum.com to buy there. A lot
were "fair weather" EV'ers, clueless people who just want one cause the
gas is high and will probably comit "battricide" as Lee says. ( I've
driven EV's for 30 years before EV's were cool). I felt like a carnival
ride guy.
Now to work on the Bombardier I bought off Ebay last week for $4.2k from
Atlanta, drove a dump truck down to pick up. Say does anyone know where
to get or make hard doors for a Bombardier? If I can't find something,
I was thinking of using Lexan or aluminum plate.
Have a Renewable Energy Day, Mark
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Suddenly my project is taking off with some list members telling me of
their own Porsche conversions underway and then offers of used motors.
However I do not recognise the part numbers and I thought maybe , just maybe
someone out there may recognise the numbers.
They are BD2916 motor by A.E.I (GE in the USA). The motor is 13 inches long
and 6 1/2 diameter. it is a series wound motor and has 1/2 inch shaft with a
keyway. The centre of the shaft is drilled and tapped 3/8 inch UNF. It
weighs in at 35 KG.
I think it sounds a bit small for an EV but would appreciate any comments.
Thanks
John
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From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Another Newbie - delurking - beam me up scottie
> hi John This is the place for your ev questions , you ask some answerer
and
> many read and learn ( I hope ) . So it sounds like gas at $10 is enough
to
> get people moving to EV's , I am hoping $5 will do it here . The Adaptor
> plate is probable the hardest part for most , unless your going to try to
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EVLN(BMW/DaimlerChrysler/GM hybrid project)
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-09-07-bmw-hybrid_x.htm
Posted 9/7/2005 11:43 AM
BMW joins DaimlerChrysler, GM in hybrid car project
FRANKFURT (Reuters) German luxury carmaker BMW has joined
DaimlerChrysler (DCX) and General Motors (GM) in an alliance to
develop hybrid vehicle technology, DaimlerChrysler and GM said
Wednesday.
Confirming an earlier report by Reuters, a joint statement said
the three carmakers had signed a memorandum of understanding to
become equal partners in the project.
Hybrid vehicles burn less fuel by adding one or more electric
motors to a standard gas engine. The batteries help power the
vehicle and recharge by capturing energy during braking.
Last month DaimlerChrysler and GM finalized a deal to co-develop
hybrids as they try to catch up with Japanese rivals on the
fuel-saving systems that reduce harmful emissions.
The automakers have said they will develop a "two-mode" hybrid
technology that boosts both acceleration and fuel economy by 25%
and can be used on a wide variety of vehicles.
Joining the project marks a shift of emphasis for BMW. The
world's largest maker of premium cars has until now focused on
developing next-generation powertrains that burn hydrogen in
internal-combustion engines or that use hydrogen in fuel cells.
"The creation of a shared technology platform for hybrid drives
will allow us to more quickly integrate the best technologies on
the market and will therefore exploit and strengthen the
innovative potential of all participating companies," BMW
executive board member Burkhard Goeschel said.
Analysts said BMW could no longer afford to stand on the
sidelines while hybrids become more popular even if modern diesel
motors, popular in Europe, offer similar fuel efficiency.
"The market is forcing them to join forces," said Dresdner
Kleinwort Wasserstein analyst Arndt Ellinghorst, noting the step
would save BMW the expense of catching up on its own.
"The negative thing is you don't have any standalone technology
or any uniqueness. For a company like BMW, that likes the image
of being technology leader, that is definitely a concession," he
added.
"BMW is reacting to the popularity of the hybrid in North
America, a market of immense strategic importance for the
company," said Willi Diez, head of the car institute at the
University of Applied Sciences in Nuertingen, Germany.
The United States remains BMW's biggest market, accounting for
nearly a quarter of all group vehicle sales last year.
"Hybrids could attain a share in the U.S. new car market of more
than 10% over the medium term. And since German carmakers tend to
sell larger-than-average vehicles (with greater fuel consumption)
this could be key in view of the surprising increase in petrol
prices."
Porsche is also exploring options for a hybrid version of its
Cayenne SUV.
Tom Stephens, group vice president at GM Powertrain, said the
allies were discussing additional partners.
The initial alliance pitted GM, the world's biggest automaker,
and DaimlerChrysler against such rivals as Toyota Motor and Honda
Motor, which have a head start in the hybrid market.
The GM and DaimlerChrysler alliance's "two-mode" hybrid system,
adapted from GM's transit bus hybrid already on the market in
some U.S. cities, uses smaller electric motors that work like a
gear set to offer what the partners call superior performance and
fuel economy.
GM will use the system in late 2007 in its Chevrolet Tahoe and
GMC Yukon full-size sport-utility vehicles. Chrysler follows with
a hybrid Dodge Durango SUV among a range of hybrids.
Daimler's Mercedes brand is also working on an application for
rear-wheel-drive passenger cars.
Toyota's Prius car, first launched in Japan in 1997, has emerged
as the most popular hybrid.
Toyota plans to build 180,000 Prius cars this year, and is
targeting combined annual output of 62,000 Lexus RX 400h luxury
SUVs and Highlander hybrid cars, both launched earlier this
year.
Toyota had initially set a goal of selling 300,000 hybrid
vehicles annually by this year or next, and has said it aims to
boost that to 1 million as soon as possible.
Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.
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Tatas woo electric vehicle motor cos
Monday, 25 July , 2005, 08:35
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New Delhi: Tata Motors is in talks with various electric vehicle
motor manufacturing companies to have them set shop in India so
that motors for electric vehicles could be available at lower
costs. This in turn would drive down the manufacturing costs.
Moreover, the company plans to have its concept prototypes ready
for hybrid cars and hybrid buses over the next six months. The
company is working on a fuel cell bus, the prototype of which
would be ready over the next one-and-a-half to two years.
"We are working on the prototypes for hybrid cars (Indica and
Indigo) and buses. They are expected to be ready over the next
six months," Tata Motors General Manager (Electricals &
Electronics), V.G. Gujrathi, has said. He was addressing a
workshop on `Technology Priorities for Electric Vehicles'
organised by the Technology Information, Forecasting and
Assessment Council (TIFAC).
Pointing out that there is a need to bring down the cost of
electric motors to encourage usage of electric vehicles, he said,
"Importing the motors of electric vehicles escalates the cost to
a major extent making it impossible to be an economically
feasible option for Indian consumers. We are in talks with some
companies and asking them to set shop in India." Later, while
speaking to Business Line, Gujrathi declined to divulge the names
of companies with which Tata Motors is in talks.
Apart from bringing down the motor prices, improving battery
technology and making easy finance schemes available for electric
cars are other issues to be taken care of, pointed out experts.
"We need to work towards reducing the cost of motors of electric
vehicles. One of the ways could possibly be combining resources
(of various companies) within the country," said Chetan Kumar
Maini, Deputy Chairman & Chief Technology Officer, Reva Electric
Car Company.
He also stressed on the need to have battery-charging centres in
place.
Senior official from Scooters India, H.S. Sikka, also called for
easy financing schemes for purchasing electric vehicles, for
batteries and for putting charging infrastructure in place if the
country has to encourage electric vehicles. Over 700 electric
vehicles (three wheelers) developed by Scooters India are plying
in various cities including Agra, Delhi, Lucknow and Pune, he
added.
TIFAC Executive Director Prof Anand Patwardhan said that TIFAC
would bring out a report that would list out the kind of
intervention required to promote electric vehicles.
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Kia shows off new hybrid September 08, 2005
Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp., the nation's two biggest
automobile manufacturers, opened yesterday a research center to
focus on environmentally-friendly technologies. To mark the
occasion, Hyundai-Kia Motors unveiled a new hybrid version of
the Pride, Kia's signature compact car.
"We will enter the mass production phase late next year, and
cover both domestic and international markets," said Kwon
Moon-sik, vice president of Hyundai Motor. The firm aims to have
an annual production of 150,000 units by 2009, he said.
Hybrid cars are fueled both by electricity and gasoline, emitting
up to 30 percent less exhaust fumes than regular cars and
boasting about 30 percent better fuel efficiency.
Marketing the hybrid model of the Pride would make Hyundai-Kia
the third car manufacturer in the world to mass produce hybrid
vehicles; Toyota Motor Corp. led the way in 1997 with the Prius,
followed by Honda Motor Co.'s Insight in 1999.
The Pride was introduced at the newly completed Hyundai-Kia
Eco-Technology Research Institute in Yongin, Gyeonggi province.
The research center covers 30,450 square meters (7.5 acres) of
land, with a total floor space of 14,215 square meters and
features more than 400 facilities to test various car parts for
their environmental friendliness.
The hybrid version of the Pride will have a 1,400 cubic
centimeter (cc) gasoline engine along with a 12-kilowatt motor,
which will kick in when more power is needed. The five-speed
automatic transmission model will be 40 percent more fuel
efficient compared to the 1,400cc-gasoline Pride.
A Hyundai official said the company estimates the price for the
Pride hybrid model to be more expensive than that of a gasoline
model, running around 20 million won ($19,500). "But we can
negotiate with the government to provide subsidies for hybrid car
buyers, like they do in Japan," the official said.
Also showcased yesterday was a hydrogen-powered Santa Fe fuel
cell electric vehicle. The vehicle can run for 165 kilometers
(102.5 miles) on one tank of gas, and will be on sale by 2010.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501439.html
Another Look at Fuel Efficiency
Soaring Gas Prices Make Smaller Cars, Hybrids Attractive
By Griff Witte Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 6, 2005; Page D03
The spike in gasoline prices has emboldened advocates for more
fuel-efficient vehicles and put the auto industry on notice as
consumers move to smaller, less energy-hungry cars and trucks.
The shift began even before Hurricane Katrina disrupted oil
production and distribution in the Gulf; drivers have been
feeling a sharpening pinch at filling stations all summer long.
But supporters of hybrids, electric vehicles, hydrogen
fuel-cells, bio-diesel fuels and other alternatives that promise
lower gas consumption say the hurricane could be a painful
wake-up call.
Article Local Gas Demand Appears To Drop
Drivers in the Washington area yesterday dug deep into their
wallets to fill their tanks and occasionally found stations that
had run out of gasoline.
Oil and Gas Prices
Stock prices, economic forecasts and consumer confidence show
that ever-more-volatile oil prices have become a barometer by
which consumers, investors, corporate executives and even voters
gauge the future.
"If there is a silver lining in this awful cloud, it's that it's
reminded Americans how vulnerable we are and why we have to end
our dangerous addiction to foreign oil," said David Goldstein,
who has been president of the Electric Vehicle Association of
Greater Washington for 25 years.
Goldstein said interest in alternatives to the conventional
internal combustion engine has never been higher, with Internet
chat rooms buzzing over the consequences of $3 and $4 a gallon
gas.
Americans bought 5 percent fewer sport-utility vehicles in August
compared with the year before. And they may not be coming back:
General Motors sales analyst Paul Ballew said in a webcast last
week that he does not believe sales of large SUVs will return to
their previous highs, citing gas prices as a prime reason why.
Meanwhile, sales of gas-electric hybrids, while still an
extremely small percentage of the total market, are expected to
double for the year. Sales of one hybrid brand, the Toyota Prius,
were up 115 percent in August, with the company maintaining a
waiting list for the car.
Spokesmen for both Toyota and Honda, the two auto manufacturers
that have been most aggressive in selling hybrids, said that the
higher gas prices may work in their favor and that they plan to
continue to ramp up production of their lowest-polluting, most
fuel-efficient vehicles.
"A year ago we said that if gas goes to $3 a gallon and stays
there for a sustained period of time, it's reasonable to assume
that people's intentions will start to change. And we're seeing
that now," said Ernest Bastien, vice president of Toyota Motor
Sales USA Inc.'s vehicle sales group.
"If the market shifts that way, it certainly won't hurt us," said
Kurt Antonius, a spokesman at American Honda Motor Co., which
last week introduced a Civic hybrid rated around 50 miles per
gallon.
Officials at General Motors and Ford, however, cast doubt on how
lasting or robust the nation's appetite for hybrids will be. U.S.
manufacturers have traditionally lagged behind their Japanese
counterparts in promoting hybrids. Ford recently put two hybrid
models on the market, with plans for three more next year. GM
doesn't plan to sell hybrids on a mass scale until 2007.
"Even at $4 a gallon, [buying a hybrid] is not a financial
decision I'd make because you've got to pay about $4,000 or more
upfront [in higher sticker price] for the privilege of driving
around in a hybrid," said George Pipas, Ford's U.S. sales
analyst.
Larry Burns, GM's vice president for research and planning, said
that the company is playing catch-up on hybrids in the near term
but that it is putting its ultimate focus on hydrogen fuel cells.
Burns said that hybrids are unlikely "to have a meaningful impact
on petroleum consumption" and that automakers have to move away
from petroleum entirely if they are serious about cutting
emissions and reducing air pollution.
Hybrids, he said, still depend to a large extent on gasoline even
though they can also run on battery power.
Burns said that he expects GM to put a significant number of
hydrogen fuel-cell cars on the road by 2015 and that those cars
will have no emissions. Others think that hydrogen cars may be 30
or 40 years off.
"Anybody who expects to see fuel cells widely available in 10
years is dreaming," Toyota's Bastien said.
Regardless of how long hydrogen cars take to develop, some
industry observers say that if gas prices continue to rise,
automakers may have no choice but to build more cars that
emphasize fuel efficiency over size.
"The nation has had something of a psychological shock. And
that's good for us," said Jim Hossack, of automotive industry
consultants AutoPacific Inc. "Our implicit energy policy has
been, 'Abundant cheap gas for all. But please don't use too
much.' That's a stupid policy. I've never heard a senator or
congressman say high gas prices would be good for us. But the
truth is they would be good for us."
Some are seizing on the price increase to make their case for
other alternatives beyond the hybrids now available.
Late last week, a group of electric-car advocates created a group
called Plug In America to promote the idea of using the power
grid to operate vehicles. The electricity cost of charging up
such a car, they said, would be the equivalent of 60 cents a
gallon.
In a telephone news conference, former CIA director R. James
Woolsey, a member of that advocacy group, expressed support for
the idea, saying plug-in hybrids could be run on electricity from
renewable sources such as wind or solar power, or with cleaner
burning fuels such as ethanol. "We have a very good chance at
making a substantial dent in our reliance on oil soon," Woolsey
said.
The major automakers, however, have already rejected purely
electric cars because they say there's is not enough consumer
interest. And while they have been monitoring hybrids that plug
into the electric grid, they have been reluctant to fully embrace
the idea.
Goldstein, head of the local electric vehicles association,
thinks that is a mistake -- both for environmental and business
reasons.
"There's just a huge pent-up demand out there for electric cars.
The technology is very, very attractive to people," he said.
"There's a sea change taking place in the automotive market. But
some manufacturers don't seem to get it. They're not listening to
their customers."
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http://business.scotsman.com/technology.cfm?id=1893062005
All-electric car set to create a buzz at Subaru
SUBARU is to co-develop an all-electric car in a bid to spread
the use of eco-friendly vehicles.
The firm aims to develop cheaper and more efficient technology
and introduce a car with a range of at least 50 miles and a
recharging time of 15 minutes for 80 per cent of the battery's
capacity.
Most car-makers have given up on pure electric vehicles, instead
focusing on fuel-cell designs and petrol-electric hybrids.
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