EV Digest 4703
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: WZ/Woodburn video, Last minute rush, was: Where to find...
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Lazy-Boy recliner races on 9/24 in Kent, WA
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: 300 MPH Quarter EV Technology-Wiring For
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: 9" motor mount for 1980 Rabbit.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Zilla Cooling
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: 9" motor mount for 1980 Rabbit.
by "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Interest in Electric Racing in General?
by "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Dave Cloud's Geo Stratus @ Woodburn 2005
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: What charger to use?
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) NEDRA Records for 2005
by "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: evalbum copyright or public domain?
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Sam electric three-wheeler
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) In defense of modular charging, was Re: What charger to use?
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Zilla Cooling
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: What charger to use?
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: 300 MPH Quarter EV Technology-Wiring For
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: EV digest 4700
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Bonneville Salt Flats World of Speed cancelled
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Dave Cloud's Geo Stratus @ Woodburn 2005
by "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: NEDRA Records for 2005
by "Noel P. Luneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Dave Cloud's Geo Stratus @ Woodburn 2005
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EVILbus (was: e-meter type gadget)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) re: EV with Windmill (was 300 MPH Quarter EV Technology-Wiring For)
by Victor Reppeto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EV with Windmill (was 300 MPH Quarter EV Technology-Wiring For)
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: NEDRA Records for 2005
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: evalbum copyright or public domain?
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Rich, Goldie, and motor mods
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: electric motorcycle performance
by "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Crimping cables!, getting closer!
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) RE: NEDRA Records for 2005
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Plasma Cutter
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Crimping cables!, getting closer!
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: Plasma Cutter
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Chris please contact my directly ev_list_editor(at)yahoo.com
I have put the two clips together just as you stating, and added
titles. I would like to run it by you for your corrections and
approval. I plan to use as a EV promotion tool. Perhaps even get
it up on the EAA site so other EVangels can use it.
I plan to make both a high bandwidth and a low bandwidth version
available. There are still many that would at to see it, but
downloading 25MB of mpeg is hard to do over a slow modem.
I look forward to your email.
-Bruce
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Electric Lazy-Boy Recliner Races being held on 9/24/05 in Kent, WA.
The event will be held at Pacific International Raceway. Gates open at
8AM.
http://www.pacificraceways.com/
The Electric Lazyboy races will occur during half time of the Sovren
Vintage Races that are happening that day. Participation in the electric
lazyboy race gets you free admission to the track. Spectators are
charged $8 for admission.
$1000 prize purse is up for grabs!!
Rules:
Recliners to be no wider than 48” and no longer than 8 feet. Total
battery weight is limited to 200 lbs. You should use some kind of chair
that looks like a Lazy-Boy Recliner.
These rules are already being stretched as one competitor is using an
ejection seat from a Navy jet!
Competitors include some famous names in racing.
Here are a couple of photos:
http:/home.comcast.net/~stevenslough/DavesEChairTWO.JPG
http:/home.comcast.net/~stevenslough/LazyBoyRacer.jpg
I thought I'd consense this info for clarity. Hope this helps!
-Ken Trough
Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
http://visforvoltage.com
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Wow, those NHRA guys are pretty progressive if they thought to
specifically disallow firing your car out of a Rail Gun. :-) I
guess it isn't fair if you get to leave all the weight of your motor
and batteries at the start line.
At 9/12/2005 12:12 PM, you wrote:
It's a linear induction motor.... operates just like a industrial AC
motor... but laid out flat....
I am not sure NHRA will let us have a Nuclear powered intrack motor... That
might violate a few rules...
Madman
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Bless you. Contact me off list for a price. Thanks. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: 9" motor mount for 1980 Rabbit.
At 03:28 PM 9/10/05 -0700, you wrote:
Has anyone mounted a 9" ADC in a Rabbit? Electro Automotive says they
don't offer a motor mount solution for the Big motor. 8" yes. 9"
no. Any solution? If not I'm making my own.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We do now. We just haven't had time to put it on the web site yet.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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I guess I get to experiment here. For my Saturn I found a cheapy $15
"universal" coolant catch can, plastic. It's probably about 4" X 5" X 6" by
just guessing. I filled in the bottom return drain with some epoxy and capped
it off. I took a hack saw and cut the top of the bottle off so I could gain
access to the inside. I'm using a Rule 360 gph bilge pump. I originally tried
gluing it to the bottom of the coolant resivor, but couldn't get it to stick.
Finally I figured out I could just wedge it in there by using the tension of
the braided vinyl tubing to hold it in place. I found two brass tube fittings
at home depot and made and in and out port on the side of the bottle above
where my coolant level would be and expoied these in place. The power wires for
the pump went through the overflow tube at the top. I then managed to epoxy the
resivor back together. The saving grace here was it came with a wire frame
holder for the resivor, which was able to hold it in it's proper posi!
tion so
it would go back together. So essentially I put together my own resivor with
integrated pump.
For the resivor the coolant is pumped in to the Zilla then to a tubular finned
style alluminum transmission cooler I bought on eBay for ~$50. Otmar seems to
think it's not much for cooling, but if nothing else it sure looks cool. I've
got probably a couple of quarts of coolant in the whole system, the cooler
itself probably holds a couple pints. I have not had the car running enough yet
to determine if this setup is going to be enough, but so far it seems to be
working ok. Luckily the newer Zilla's will blink the Check Engine light if they
go in to thermal cutback so I will be able to watch this. My issue is in
Phoenix I'll start out with 100 + Degree coolant in the summer months so I
think I'll be glad the Zilla has liquid cooling to begin with.
Later,
Ricky
02 Red Insight #559
92 Saturn SC2 EV conversion in progress
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Hey Lawrence,
What are your plans for the controller and batteries? Are you looking at the
9" over the 8" for better acceleration? Going to build your own batery boxes...
Sorry for so many questions :)
Noel
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 9/12/05 4:11:53 PM
To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, "Electro Automotive"<[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 9" motor mount for 1980 Rabbit.
Bless you. Contact me off list for a price. Thanks. Lawrence Rhodes......
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: 9" motor mount for 1980 Rabbit.
> At 03:28 PM 9/10/05 -0700, you wrote:
>>Has anyone mounted a 9" ADC in a Rabbit? Electro Automotive says they
>>don't offer a motor mount solution for the Big motor. 8" yes. 9"
>>no. Any solution? If not I'm making my own.
>>Lawrence Rhodes
>>Bassoon/Contrabassoon
>>Reedmaker
>>Book 4/5 doubler
>>Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
>>415-821-3519
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> We do now. We just haven't had time to put it on the web site yet.
>
> Shari Prange
>
> Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
> http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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Drag racing demonstrates EV speed and power capabilities very nicely. NEDRA is
for Drag
races. We need equivalent demonstrations of EVs other abilities. I realize
this is kind
of a wish-list item. Races need money, organization, rules, money, racers, and
also, prize
money, but I'm waiting for an EV LeMans type race. Indy, F1, and NASCAR races
all have
pit stops for fuel, tires, etc. There could be new fresh charged-up batteries
for EVs at
pit stops.
Steve Love -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Victor Reppeto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: No Interest in Electric Drag Racing?
> Strictly speaking I have no Interest in Electric Drag Racing.
> But, as a person trying to find the best balance between
> cost/performance I do not want to listen to someone tell me Hawker
> Batteries are not better than Trojans for a given application. I want
> to see what others have actually done with them. Build a car that goes
> fast for a short distance? Not for me. I want endurance. But what
> happens when I hit a 20 + % grade? Can I merge with traffice w/o
> burning out fuse? My First EV is going to be a 3500 lb (curb weight)
> Ford Aerostar. I have a family of five. I haul home improvement
> supplies and garbage to and from rental houses. The info from these
> drag cars are of the utmost value. The only hev on the market with my
> needs in mind is the highlander and I do not have 50 + thousand dollars
> and I am not impressed with 30 mpg.
> Finding a place to park a trailer on long trips and picking it up on
> the return trip is something I already do frequently. Hey, I just
> realized that. Thanx guys you just saved me money. I do not need to
> build a hybrid. Just put an extra battery pack in a 350 lb trailer I
> already own. Or a genset ... or a batt pack .. or a genset ... oh I
> will figure it out soon.
>
> Thanx again for the dialouge.
>
> Victor Reppeto
>
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On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
(posted for Dave Cloud)
Set new Nedra record: MC-120v with a time of 14.531sec @ 92.13mph
According to the NEDRA website the current MC/F (120v) record is held
by Brian Hall with a 15.45 second run. Dave's vehicle is currently in
the MC/G (96v) class. Yes, the site is updated with Woodburn '05 race
data. Did they miss one?
I feel that is the way it should be, you have to race in class. John
Wayland used to hold the SC/B record with a better time than his own
SC/A record - that has been fixed.
Wasn't it Dave Cloud's idea that voltage didn't matter?
Paul "neon" G.
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Rich:
> The Iso charger took a real step forward this weekend...
> I actually got some time on it... and I have the front PFC end working
That is great news. I hope you will have chargers for >= 120 V available
soon as I am really impressed with the capabilities of your system but
don't want to get, well, tickled :)
mm.
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new records posted this year:
SC/A 1972 Datsun "White Zombie" 336v
Sponsor:Hawker Aero Batteries
Driver: Tim Brehm
Owner: John Wayland -Portland 12.598 103.92 Woodburn Nationals
September 5, 2005
MC/F 1999 Geo Metro 96 volts
Driver: Steve Nash
Owner:Dave Cloud 14.531 92.13 Woodburn Nationals
September 5,2005
MP/A GM EV-1, 400 volts AC, Brigham Young University
Driver: Ned Carter
14.080 91.21 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
HS/A "Green Hornet' MR2, 252 volts, Great Mills High School
Driver: Larry Jarboe
15.938 86.55 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
HS/B Porsche 944, 240 volts, Miramar High School/SEVO
Driver: Lowell Simmons
16.258 62.94 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
SP/D
- Corbin Sparrow, 156 volts
Driver/Owner: Valerie Myers
19.182 71.83 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
Brian D. Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ryan,
Check with Mike Chancy but the photo's aren't proprietry.
You have my permission to use any of my photo's, as long as they aren't
used to denigrate EV's.
I'll forego any of the income that will be derived from their use. . and
then the residuals of course. . looks like I won't be able to retire from
EV related income after all.
Jim
'93 Dodge TEVan
"Breathe Easy - It's Electric"
>I need to confirm that the information and photos at the
>evalbum are not copyrighted as I've used some at the wikipedia
>and they are pretty fussy about that sort of thing...
>In particulare I used James Wolfe's '93 Dodge Caravan photo from:
>http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/425.html on this page:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TEVan
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At 5:00 PM -0400 on 9/12/05, Larry Hays wrote:
I havent seen this one before...looks great http://www.bavariabike.de/SAM.htm
Company website: http://www.cree.ch/
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Rich and All,
"No self respecting on Road EVer..."
Ouch, that hurts! As I've said before on the list, my choice to use modular
charging was based on economics, as I didn't have a 192V charger at the
time and could get 16 Soneil chargers for $50 each or slightly more than
regs, and JB's experience with his Ghia. After deeply discharging my YT's,
I bulk charge with two off-board FrankenLester chargers (144+48V) and the
Soneils together, and I stop the FrankenLester's when the Soneil LED goes
from orange (bulk) to blinking green (pulse/finish), which is handy. They
are reliable and were built for on-board wheelchair (scooter?) use, so
they're rugged. I haven't had any of my chargers fail to this date, and it
isn't too difficult to scan 16 LED's to make sure they all finished. Also,
they don't blank out my shop FM radio like the Deltran Battery Tender
charger I bought to play with. On-board modular chargers do add more
weight, since you have X number of power supplies and power cords, but
until I a guy (or gal) can buy a single pack charger with individual
battery monitors that tell the charger when the pack voltage is too high,
they can be an "affordable" option. Yes, I would LOVE to have a PFC50
charger for my numerous battery charging needs, especially when I have to
load the FrankenLesters into the truck bed, but the Gods haven't smiled
upon me yet!
Poor self respecting on-road EVer,
Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
Member of the Denver Electric Vehicle Council:
http://www.devc.org/
Card carrying member and former racer with The National Electric Drag
Racing Association:
http://www.nedra.com/
Lyons, CO
1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's for the teenagers)
1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
>From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:43:27 -0700
<much snippage>
>So... again in theroy... modular charging is a good idea, in practice is has
>a reputation of failing much more ofter than Series chargers.
>There are a few exceptions out there.... John Bryan... But... No self
>respecting on Road EVer has modular charging that I know of.
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I'm using a "12V" Grainger 1P811 marine and camper pump on both of the
buggies. Although it's a submersible pump, it also comes with a housing to
plumb it into your reservoir tank. Aftermarket ICE cooling tank and small
transmission cooler and you get'er done!
BB
>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:08:11 -0600
>From: Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<snippage>
>Well try to find a decent reservoir for a pump this
>size that could easily be mounted in your engine compartment. Not easy
>(if anyone has any suggestions, I'm open to them).
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David,
"Zivans...patience with them." Can you explain this? My previous post in
defense of Zivan's is below!
BB
>From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:49:34 -0400
<snippage>
>The Zivans have their flaws, but they can be viable chargers at a very good
>price, if you have enough patience with them.
>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:29 -0600
>From: "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Russco vs Zivan vs PFC
>
>David and All,
>As a happy Zivan owner, I wanted to comment on this post. As far as
>reliability issues, I'm thinking the K models had some issues, and I
>believe it was because they were designed for 220 (250?) volt European
>juice, so the higher input current on the 120V input models would kill
>them. I've been charging floodies with a 120V NG3 model since November of
>1999 (has it really been that long?!), and knock on wood it's still
>humping in the amps. I would never mount it under the hood, and had it in
>the behind the seats in the RX-7, and likewise in the truck were it has
>been living for about 30k miles now. Yes, it is fine for floodies with
>it's three stage algorithm, but will murder AGMs without regs. As far as
>the isolation goes, when my first floody pack was at it's EOL in the RX-7,
>I was bit hard (through the chest!) when I had one hand on the chassis and
>touched a battery terminal accidently while the Zivan was charging! And if
>you need to change pack voltages to something similar to the original
>configuration, you can get an EPROM from the distributor and change some
>dip switches, as I recall, without having to send it off. What will I
>replace it with, or purchase in the future for another buggy?...
>BB
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I can think of a guy that was in the military and new a lot about aircraft
carriers, but he quit the list over some political post or some such thang!
BB
>From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:24:36 -0700
>
>New Aircraft Carriers are planning to have electric catapults.
>http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2001/Jul/Navy_to_Phase.htm
>
>Does anyone know the weight and launch velocity of a Joint Strike Fighter as
>it exits an aircraft carrier after only 300 feet of acceleration?
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Original Message:
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From: Electric Vehicle Discussion List [email protected]
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:46:24 PDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: EV digest 4700
EV Digest 4700
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Firefly and their longer lasting lead-acid battery/Lawn & Garden
by "John Luck Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) evalbum copyright or public domain?
by "Lightning Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Some EV help
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EV as backup power for house with grid-tied solar?
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: more wireing detail questions
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Freeway vs Sparrow
by "Tim Medeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Digital or analog gauges
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) associated1 on Ebay / IOTA Power supplies
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: EvAmerica 'clutchless design'
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Tardy but not TOO LATE - a REPEAT
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by "Philip Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) OT: RE: Ebay (and sniping)
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by Mike Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Kilovac score on Ebay (and sniping)
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV as backup power for house with grid-tied solar?
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: An Enemy of my Enemy
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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World of Speed (WOS) is canceled, by Brent Singleton 9/11/2005:
Only the state of Nevada gets less annual rain, but this year it rained a lot
on the Utah/Nevada border too, Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF). At BSF the most
famous raceway in the world, the surface is FLAT, but for the curvature of the
earth, and there are no pond areas for excess water. BLM hydrology study has
confirmed there is a solid impermeable pan of clay approximately 9' below the
salt surface. Some pictures are on the website www.SaveTheSaltFlats.com.
Under normal conditions, the standing water is reduced by percolation, but this
year the aquifer is full. The wind and sun help evaporation, but hydrology is
the most important factor at this unique wonder of the world and the wind is
blowing around a pond of water as we speak.
Importantly, a successful event at BSF is one that breaks-even financially.
USFRA's costs include BLM and Tooele County permits, Porta-Potties, dumpsters,
fuel prices dragging raceways into the salt, expenses reimbursement for timers,
course stewards, wire layers, starters, registration people, tech inspectors,
insurance, programs, T-shirts and etc. into an event before anyone shows up or
doesn't show up. Without good race conditions not so many people show up from
all over the world. Nobody wants Officials to host an event to go financially
broke to never put on another event or a racer to say it is not safe to race
on. Nobody wants that to happen. A good quality meet or no meet at all is a
good call to protect BSF for future generations.
You have our personal invitation for WOS 2006. We are looking forward to the
BEST electric racing on the salt in 2006.
See you on the Salt!
Brent Singleton
Official BSF Alternative Fuels Vehicle Events Coordinator
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On 2005-09-12, Paul G. wrote:
>
> Wasn't it Dave Cloud's idea that voltage didn't matter?
Seems to me it shouldn't ... perhaps it'd make more sense
to divide by battery chemistry or something.
-----sharks
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I thought all of the GM EV-1's had been crushed? Anybody have any info on the
Brigham Young University entry?
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From: "Brian D.Hall"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 9/12/05 5:57:24 PM
To: "ev post"<[email protected]>
Subject: NEDRA Records for 2005
new records posted this year:
SC/A 1972 Datsun "White Zombie" 336v
Sponsor:Hawker Aero Batteries
Driver: Tim Brehm
Owner: John Wayland -Portland 12.598 103.92 Woodburn Nationals
September 5, 2005
MC/F 1999 Geo Metro 96 volts
Driver: Steve Nash
Owner:Dave Cloud 14.531 92.13 Woodburn Nationals
September 5,2005
MP/A GM EV-1, 400 volts AC, Brigham Young University
Driver: Ned Carter
14.080 91.21 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
HS/A "Green Hornet' MR2, 252 volts, Great Mills High School
Driver: Larry Jarboe
15.938 86.55 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
HS/B Porsche 944, 240 volts, Miramar High School/SEVO
Driver: Lowell Simmons
16.258 62.94 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
SP/D
- Corbin Sparrow, 156 volts
Driver/Owner: Valerie Myers
19.182 71.83 Mason Dixon Dragway
Power Of DC
June11,2005
Brian D. Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not bad for a budget car and with 1/4 weight in lead maybe a 40 mile range.
Is it two or four wheel drive? I have plans for a 4WD Aspire.
LR............
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Dave Cloud's Geo Stratus @ Woodburn 2005
Posted for David Cloud by request as he is not on the list.
The car: 1999 Geo Metro with lots of body mods.
Motors: 8 E-tek permanent magnet
Drivetrain: Direct Drive w/split axles Chain driven, Geared for 110mph @
6000rpm
Batteries: 16, group 56, 33Lb wet cells running in 2 strings @ 96 volts,
$10 Blems Purchased in 2001
Controller: N/A
Switches: 1 main contactor, 2 series/parallel switches manual engagement
Curb weight : under 2000Lbs with driver
Set new Nedra record: MC-120v with a time of 14.531sec @ 92.13mph
Now for some commentary of the cars performance.
I was a little disappointed with the ET, but was pleased with the speed
though the traps. This being the cars first outing and I was not sure how
it was going to perform.
My driver (Steve Nash) reports the launch was sluggish but had better
acceleration at mid track then went a little flat towards the end of the
quarter mile.
Post race inspection of the motors show absolutely no brush wear or arcing
what so ever .
My plan for next time is to bump the actual voltage to 120, this should
improve the top end. For the launch I am going to add two 5.5in 24v
Advanced DC Motors, to the existing E-tek motors geared for 110mph @
9000rpm. I am also currently looking for better batteries that do not sag
as much, just like every one else is, but I won't have to mortgage the
house for them.
Dave Cloud
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Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> So you think they could do 10 gigabit ethernet over 50 ohm coax just
> as easily, if they had the inclination?
Yes. What do you think the data rate is for a cable TV system? They're
simultaneously sending 50 channels of video, audio, phone, internet, and
who knows what all else over a single coax cable.
>> An RS-485 or CAN bus transceiver chip costs $2 and up. A
>> A microcomputer with CAN support is $5 and up.
> Which ones are that cheap?
The cheapest CAN bus transceiver I know of are the old RS-485 chips; TI
SN75176, National DS485, etc. These are about $1 each, but have zero
intelligence. They just convert TTL logic levels into RS-485 levels;
it's the equivalent of a MAX232 for RS-232.
The cheapest CAN bus transceiver with controller I've found is the
Microchip MPC2515, which is $2.75. It has an SPI interface to a
microcomputer, and is the equivalent of a UART chip for RS-232.
The Freescale MC68HC908GZ8CFA is an 8-bit microcontroller with CAN
interface, which is $7.65. But it is only an 8-bit micro with 8k of
memory; I have a feeling the CAN software overhead would use up pretty
much all of its "horsepower". Most people use micros with significantly
more speed and memory.
>> The CAN standard is 1000+pages of complexity.
> Well it's not a very complex idea, but I'm not surprised if nobody
> here would understand.
We have a broad cross-section here; some people are comfortable with the
very complex arcane standards used in PCs and the internet; others have
trouble connecting a bunch of switches to a bunch of lights and getting
it to work right.
I'm somewhere in the middle. I want to use sufficient technology so that
it looks simple; but not so much that it overwhelms the problems and
just makes things even more difficult.
My own feeling is that I don't want the "boxes" in my EV (E-meter,
charger, motor controller) to be networked like PCs. With PCs, you
either need a computer expert, or are depending on someone to have spent
man-years of software development for you so that it will
"plug-and-play". And when your system doesn't exactly match their
assumptions and it *doesn't* plug-and-play, you are screwed; it's
inscrutible and unfixable (unless you are the aformentioned computer
expert).
With EVILbus, I'm after something more like a home stereo. You plug the
"boxes" together with RCA cables. The *ins* and *outs* are labelled. Buy
a new CD player, and it plugs right in and works. This year's CD player
works with your 10-year-old receiver. You don't have to boot the system,
there is no setup program to run, no network addresses to configure, and
it won't crash and need to be reinstalled periodically. You don't have
to keep buying software updates or keep downloading patches and new
drivers to keep it working.
I want a system with no bus master; where each device can operate
independently. It broadcasts what it knows, and looks for broadcasts
from other devices in case they have useful information. For instance,
an E-meter type device on the EVILbus just broadcasts what it knows
(pack voltage, current, amphours). A charger on the EVILbus can look for
this data (like amphours) to do a better job charging the pack. But if
this data isn't there, it just does its usual job without this
information.
Ideally, CAN works a lot like this. It's just a matter that its high
overhead and deeply coded binary protocols require a lot of "horsepower"
on the part of any node that connects to it.
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When your body's dead and rotten
Then write of great deeds worth the reading
Or do the great deeds worth repeating
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I remember something from PBS a long time ago. Jacques Cousteau put
three giant pillar like wind turbines on top of an ocean going vessel.
It was assisted by a genset. If sailboats can tack and can use then we
can use wind turbines on a small vehicle comparable to the wheeled
windsurfers at Salt Lake. I know pitch and gearing are important wether
you use a propeller or a turbine.
Can pillar type turbines be just as effective as a propeller type
turbines in a more compact package?
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Actually there is a case where the windmill can power the vehicle
forward even when it's into the wind, but you need to have a pretty high
ratio of windspeed to groundspeed.
Danny
Victor Reppeto wrote:
I remember something from PBS a long time ago. Jacques Cousteau put
three giant pillar like wind turbines on top of an ocean going
vessel. It was assisted by a genset. If sailboats can tack and can
use then we can use wind turbines on a small vehicle comparable to the
wheeled windsurfers at Salt Lake. I know pitch and gearing are
important wether you use a propeller or a turbine. Can pillar type
turbines be just as effective as a propeller type turbines in a more
compact package?
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On Sep 12, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Brian D.Hall wrote:
MC/F 1999 Geo Metro 96 volts
Driver: Steve Nash
Owner:Dave Cloud 14.531 92.13 Woodburn Nationals
September 5,2005
Why do you list him as holding the 120v class when he raced at 96v? Do
classes mean nothing?
Paul
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Yes, the images are clear to use, free for pro-EV content, $10000 per byte
for anti-EV use. :) If anyone want an image to use in a newsletter or
brochure, I do keep the higher resolution original images for all
submissions. Just let me know what you need.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV List Photo Album
http://evalbum.com
At 08:21 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote:
Ryan,
Check with Mike Chancy but the photo's aren't proprietry.
You have my permission to use any of my photo's, as long as they aren't
used to denigrate EV's.
I'll forego any of the income that will be derived from their use. . and
then the residuals of course. . looks like I won't be able to retire from
EV related income after all.
Jim
'93 Dodge TEVan
"Breathe Easy - It's Electric"
>I need to confirm that the information and photos at the
>evalbum are not copyrighted as I've used some at the wikipedia
>and they are pretty fussy about that sort of thing...
>In particulare I used James Wolfe's '93 Dodge Caravan photo from:
>http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/425.html on this page:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TEVan
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Rich Rudman wrote:
>sometime I will have to have here turned into Rebar. She is old and
rusting away.
What's you next car going to be for that motor, controller, and batteries?
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On 2005-09-11, georgeshaw wrote:
>
> as new to ev as I am, I hadn't really considered aerodynamics much
> yet. from what I know about current race bikes, there is definitely
> some room for improvement. completely redesigning the bodywork of the
> bike not only sounds fun to me, but looks like it will be the key to
> making this thing perform reasonably well. I think that a custom set
> of leathers could provide even more benefit.
I think your best bet might be to start off with a Hayabusa or
CBR1100XX or similar 300kph bike ... they spent a lot of time
on aerodynamics on those, and the fairing is relatively protective
of the rider. They're also quite big, wide bikes which should
leave room for batteries to fit inside the fairing.
This might be interesting: http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/aero.html
I'd think that without the need to stuff air through a radiator
behind the front wheel you could redesign the front mudguard
a lot ...
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As I crimp my cables I thought I would mention some observations on
makeing cables.
1. The Burndy hydraulic crimper (with the orange die) is great. I got
mine from ebay.
like item 7546078053 on ebay right now. (I paid less than half the
current bid, but got really reamed on buying a set of dies) They are
less popular now than dieless, but hit the whole crimp area in one shot,
do a better job and No guess work! It goes to a stop then releases when
done. The little dies are held in with a clip and don't fall out.
2. I found some really nice, very thick heatshrink tubing with a layer
of sealant inside. I bought a 1500 watt heat gun at harbor freight. 1500
watts is not enough, it takes at least twice as long to shrink than crimp.
2.5 The heat shrink, which I was using 2-3 inches to cover the fitting
and some cable, actually stiffens the cable near the post. This makes
the nice sweep between posts not so nice. I either need to use less
shrink or allow for the extra length and stiffness.
3. I put noalox in the cad plated copper fitting before I crimp it
I can hardley wait to see how well this all works.
considering dies and a case, this is a good deal @$ 305 so far 7544530920
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<http://research.et.byu.edu/e-blue/>
The car has been partially gutted, such as having the
trunk-to-interior firewall removed, headlights removed, passenger
seat gone, etc.
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> I thought all of the GM EV-1's had been crushed? Anybody have any
> info on the Brigham Young University entry?
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For some tools, getting the better tool saves time and frustration.
I'm planning to get a plasma cutter for my next EV conversion tool.
Is there really much difference between the $500 Harbor Freight one
and a $1500 Miller or Lincoln? I need to cut 1/4 inch steel, but
don't foresee a need to cut thicker than that.
A steel cutting blade in a circular saw works OK, but only in
straight lines!
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> 2. I found some really nice, very thick heatshrink tubing with a layer
> of sealant inside. I bought a 1500 watt heat gun at harbor freight. 1500
> watts is not enough, it takes at least twice as long to shrink than crimp.
>
Just a thought, did you get a heat shrink "head" with the gun? It is a "C"
shaped nozzle that contains the heat and directs it around the conductor. I
have seen many electricians try to use a hairdryer type heat gun and they
end up just blowing the heat by the target. If you can contain it just a
little, it really speeds up the process.
John N.
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> For some tools, getting the better tool saves time and frustration.
>
> I'm planning to get a plasma cutter for my next EV conversion tool.
> Is there really much difference between the $500 Harbor Freight one
> and a $1500 Miller or Lincoln? I need to cut 1/4 inch steel, but
> don't foresee a need to cut thicker than that.
>
Just a caution to check the specs. There is a big difference between cut
and sever in plasma cutter lingo. My Thermo Dynamics (similar to Miller)
will "sever" (read hack its way through) 3/4" but will only "cut" (read nice
clean edge) 3/8".
John N.
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