EV Digest 4711
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Electricity stored in batteries. The biggest dissapointment
of the modern world.
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Tilley electric car coming soon?
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: EVILbus
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: More motors -> More speed?
by Victor Reppeto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Surplus EV motor as used by the evolks guys
by Stefano Landi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Ford Ranger EV site?
by Brad E Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Coax
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Fest-ev-a project update
by Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Solectria Charger Question
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: PFC Ground and Pack Negative (was RE: Russco vs Zivan vs PF)
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: What charger to use?
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: NEDRA Records for 2005
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Fw: No interest in electric drag racing
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Albright SW200A Contactors $50
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Fest-ev-a project update
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: LSD Tripping in my REV
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Lazy Boy E-Chair Races - FINAL DRAFT
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Albright SW200A Contactors $50
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Questions about connectors and heat shrink
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Tilley electric car coming soon?
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EVILbus
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Lithium Battery Users?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Surplus EV motor as used by the evolks guys
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Rear wheel recommendations
by "Stu or Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Albright SW200A Contactors $50
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Electricity stored in batteries. The biggest dissapointment of the
modern world.
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Well Guys....
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) IOTA power supply not dc to dc?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
29) Re: Tilley electric car coming soon?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Coax
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: Albright SW200A Contactors $50
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Tilley electric car coming soon?
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: IOTA power supply not dc to dc?
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It's practical if you take the long-term view. My very expensive
purchase will provide me (and/or my heirs) with electricity for about 30
years. That is the main cognitive device I use to allow myself the
horrendous initial outlay. I am paying in advance for almost all of my
future electricity. But damn those prices are painful.
I suppose I could wait for economies of scale, but I have been waiting
for that, and a Million Solar Roofs, and I'll be biting that special
bullet reserved for early adopters...
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Hey my 2.4kw solar system gives me a net 10 dollar electric bill per
month. LR.......NOT PRACTICAL?????
----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: Electricity stored in batteries. The biggest dissapointment
of the modern world.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:15:40 -0400, "David"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Any new energy source MUST follow that route. The existing
distribution infrastructure includes:
Oil pipelines
natural gas pipelines
distillate pipelines
The natural gas pipelines
The electrical grid.
and on a more-or-less local level, petroleum tankers.
Oops! You forgot the most important one!
The sun.
No, I only listed things that are practical.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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"I'm sorry officer. Yes I saw the sign. But I had to go faster to charge
my car..."
Mike Barber wrote:
Here's a couple excerpts from the page:
"Simply drive and it will recharge at any speed over 36 miles per hour."
" total electric car (not a hybrid)"
Based on these two statements (and some other hand-waving) it seems like a
hoax. My $0.02.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sherry Boschert
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:22 AM
To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tilley electric car coming soon?
Here's another one that's new to me -- anybody know how this claim that you
don't have to plug in this electric car could be true?
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/htm/Tilley%20Total%20Electric%20Car%20to%20b
e%20Produced.htm
Sherry
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Meta Bus writes:
>
> But could you please change the name? Like many inside jokes, it does
> not quite carry over into public. It sounds like the nickname given to
> many of the protocol standards I've been coerced into working with over
> the years. Instead of morphing Jon into Igor, call him Oscar or Otmar or
> some such, and gain the EVol-ution entendre. Or anything else. To answer
> Shakespeare's question: First impressions. I don't want to tell my wife
> I am working on evil bus code...
I've also thought a different name would be more appropriate for better
mass acceptance. An obvious choice is EVIbus, for Electric Vehicle
Instrumentation bus.
Ralph
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I agree with Victor T. Watts are the method to make it apples to apples
comparison.
Yes I was suggesting 2 or 3 motors in series. For ? reasons.
The BattPak will see more uniform wear if all cells are in series.
If in parallel the weak pack will need assistance from the stronger pack
and wear it out faster. Assuming I am running DC motors I will have to
run parallel batt packs unless I run parallel controllers also, thereby
isolating the two batt packs. I am interested in learning how to
isolate in other ways even if they do not make fiscal sense. Does a
range extension trailer require isolation under certain circumstances? When?
I need a higher # of watts to push a large vehicle. The cost of AC
may be prohibitive. 30*12 in series will be too high for any single DC
motor. If I run 2*144v DC motors in series I can have a 288v battpak.
The controller may get too expensive to save me money in this config though.
Also, no two motors are the same. When running 2 motors in an RC
model airplane we always run them in series to make sure both propellers
are running at equal speeds. Is this also true when applying this logic
to an EV with two motors that are not tied together with a chain? What
if they are, what effect would this inequality have then?
When running 2 DC motors in series then one controller can be used
for both. With AC a seperate controller is needed for each motor.
Although, again, in the land of RC airplanes, one controller has been
succesfully used for 2 motors. It will take some digging to find the
particular article. Most likely at www.ezonemag.com. Of course with
$50.00 motors $50.00 controllers, it is easy to be brave with
experiments like this.
Victor R
Salem, Or
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Hi everyone,
Just passing on some information and a link.
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005091410121302&item=6-936&catname=electric
regards,
Stefano
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I have seen a lot of conversion web site and even some sites where people have
restored S-10s. Are there any sites showing the restoration of Ford Ranger
EVs? I am interested in finding out if anyone had some unique solutions to the
problem of replacing the batteries. What about upgrading to NiMH for older
Rangers that didn't come with them?
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
Earlier I heard mention of Arcnet and how it is still around(devicenet
is industrial version?) Correct me if I am wrong but it's popularity in
control systems is because it is not collision based. It is token based
and, athought slower, has a predictable and guarenteed latency.
FWIW, CAN based network also has *guaranteed* latency for
certain priority messages. Top priority message gets to the destination
regardlss if another node(s) attempted transmitting in the middle of
(or started together with) such a message.
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Jerry,
I've seen a few posts from you that hint at these ideas and this one is
the most comprehensive I've seen so far...
jerry dycus wrote:
Some things you may want to try is using alum angles, box
sections accross the transmission and use a bearing there to take the
shaft loads belted or direct drive to the motor or motors., this saves
the rather high cost of a adaptor plate, ect.
Next look around for some surplus 100-200 amp 36-48vdc forklift,
other motor/s which you should be able to find under $200.
Figure a 72-96vdc pack of CG batts. 72vdc is good as you can make
chargers for them from GC charger very cheap.
Next use a contactor controller which is reliable, easily repairable
and cheap. You should be easily able to get by with 3 speeds of starting
resistor-36vdc, 36vdc and 72vdc especailly since you can shift and will be low
powered. But this set up will get you 65mph at least depending on many factors
like drag reduction, motor size, ect
Use a 12vdc batt as your 12v source and a reg batt charger instead of
a DC/DC.
Now we have most of what you need and haven't hit $1,000 yet !!
sounds to me like you suggest using 2 of these forklift motors wired in
series with belt or chain drive attached to the input shaft of tranny?
what kind of side loads hit the shafts of these motors and tranny? can
you use off-the-shelf bearings like you'd use for shop fixtures?
I have struggled with the cost of EV conversion as I see it popularly
discussed: adaptor plates, big expensive motors, complicated expensive
controllers etc. Its definitely keeping me from doing it.
Where can I find more information about this type of low-cost conversion
and its effectiveness?
Andrew
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Lee Hart wrote:
I don't have NLG4 specific info either, but if NLG5 is
cuccessor of NLG4 in this respect, then input booster stage has
power limit at which it will start dropping output to stay
within limits. So, yes, the charger is not designed to work
off of 120V (in the sense you can get the same output), but will not
get harmed if it is connected to it, you just naturallyt don't
get rated output.
This is the idea, if implementation had flaws and components are still
overstressed, it's different issue. That's why NLG4 got replaced
with NLG5 - to address that.
I don't have any specific information on the NLG4, but boost converters
in general have more heat problems as the boost voltage gets larger. As
the input voltage drops, the boost converter tries to maintain the same
output voltage. This requires that the input current go up. The higher
input current causes more heat, stressing the parts more.
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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No don't do that.
That's supposed to be done only in the breaker box.
What I want is the AC green going to the charger, and it's IS bonded in the
charger case. If you are isolated from the EV chassis to the charger case,
then you are OK. If you have a leak your Ev chassis goes HOT, But you don't
blow up the charger.
What you want to do is tie the green DC side wire to the chassis through
a 120 volt light builb. This bleeds off the leaks but does not blow up the
charger.
I don't want anyone running a PFC charger without a compitent Earth ground
to the Case of the charger. Even I do this level of safety... I don't earth
ground the chassis, and I don't work on the EV on a wet day with the charger
on!!
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: PFC Ground and Pack Negative (was RE: Russco vs Zivan vs PF)
> Rich,
> A while back you wrote:
> > What I want in a leaky enviroment is the charger case insulated from the
Car
> > chassis, But VERY solidly plug bonded to AC ground and earth, using
the
> > Green wire in the AC Cord feed.
> > This gives a short circuit path from the charger case to the breaker box
and
> > GFI. This gives you safety should the charger have a issue. This is
basicly
> > required by common sense if not the law.
>
> In the case of a car that was designed with a three wire charging
> system (240V, two hots and a ground), should I splice the AC cord
> green wire to the white wire?
>
> This is in a flooded EV (leaky environment). The charger is already
> electrically isolated from the chassis. I'm currently not using the
> AC cord green wire.
>
> Richard Kelly
>
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Thanks... after all that hacking about iso and NON iso...
It's clear that I am really doing something about it, not just fighting for
my point of view and defending my current batch of chargers.
The one you want will be Called the PFC15iHv. For High voltage. It will
reach 200 volts peak, which is just fine for 120 volt battery packs. You
will need about 150 volt to properley charge your pack.
The wattages will be 1800 watts from a good 120 volt 15 amp circuit and 3600
from a sood 240 15 amp circuit. Again what you plug into won't matter to the
charger, you just charger twice as fast off of 240.
So you will beable to charge at 12 amps from 120 and I might let the output
side get to 24 amps. This depends on testing and evaluations.
But it's what I want it to do for now.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: What charger to use?
>
> Rich:
>
> > The Iso charger took a real step forward this weekend...
> > I actually got some time on it... and I have the front PFC end
working
>
> That is great news. I hope you will have chargers for >= 120 V available
> soon as I am really impressed with the capabilities of your system but
> don't want to get, well, tickled :)
>
> mm.
>
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Brian...I know DCP's Sparrow did 14 seconds and like high 80s to low 90s mph
about 5 years ago.
I got Goldie very beaten badly. so the Sparrow times are NOT current.
Rich Rudman
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From: "Brian D.Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev post" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: NEDRA Records for 2005
> new records posted this year:
>
> SC/A 1972 Datsun "White Zombie" 336v
> Sponsor:Hawker Aero Batteries
> Driver: Tim Brehm
> Owner: John Wayland -Portland 12.598 103.92 Woodburn Nationals
> September 5, 2005
>
> MC/F 1999 Geo Metro 96 volts
> Driver: Steve Nash
> Owner:Dave Cloud 14.531 92.13 Woodburn Nationals
> September 5,2005
>
> MP/A GM EV-1, 400 volts AC, Brigham Young University
> Driver: Ned Carter
> 14.080 91.21 Mason Dixon Dragway
> Power Of DC
> June11,2005
>
> HS/A "Green Hornet' MR2, 252 volts, Great Mills High School
> Driver: Larry Jarboe
> 15.938 86.55 Mason Dixon Dragway
> Power Of DC
> June11,2005
>
> HS/B Porsche 944, 240 volts, Miramar High School/SEVO
> Driver: Lowell Simmons
> 16.258 62.94 Mason Dixon Dragway
> Power Of DC
> June11,2005
>
> SP/D
> - Corbin Sparrow, 156 volts
> Driver/Owner: Valerie Myers
> 19.182 71.83 Mason Dixon Dragway
> Power Of DC
> June11,2005
>
> Brian D. Hall
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Rich Rudman
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:38 AM
Subject: No interest in electric drag racing
Rich,
Been reading on the list about the interest (lack of) in electric drag racing.
Can you please get this link out to the list.
One of the biggest electric shows on the east coast is using our little "no
interest"
dragster as their #1 draw to attendees.
We (EV racers) are only scratching at the coating on the surface.
http://www.eap.org/expo/index.html
Thanks,
Shawn Lawless
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Hi Rick,
I'm interested in 4
Address:
John G's BBQ Restaurant
220 S. Ocoee St
Cleveland, TN 37311
423 479 7885
Preferred shipper - anyone but UPS
Payment method - anything but paypal. plastic preferred, company
check second.
Thanks,
John
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:43:28 -0700, "Rick Barnes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anyone interested in Albright contactors for $50 each plus shipping?
>SW200A-678 (can anyone decipher the -678 part number code?)
>12V coil
>I think these are rated 120VDC 250A continuous
>
>I bought one on eBay and the seller has Total qty available: 4939
>
>Let me know asap if you want any.
>- quantity
>- shipping address
>- preferred shipper
>- how you would like to pay (PayPal preferred)
>
>Rick Barnes
>Aloha, OR
>
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Hi Andrew and All,
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jerry,
I've seen a few posts from you that hint at these ideas and this one is
the most comprehensive I've seen so far...
jerry dycus wrote:
Some things you may want to try is using alum angles, box
sections accross the transmission and use a bearing there to take the
shaft loads belted or direct drive to the motor or motors., this saves
the rather high cost of a adaptor plate, ect.
>
> Next look around for some surplus 100-200 amp 36-48vdc forklift, other
> motor/s which you should be able to find under $200.
>
> Figure a 72-96vdc pack of CG batts. 72vdc is good as you can make chargers
> for them from GC charger very cheap.
>
> Next use a contactor controller which is reliable, easily repairable and
> cheap. You should be easily able to get by with 3 speeds of starting
> resistor-36vdc, 36vdc and 72vdc especailly since you can shift and will be
> low powered. But this set up will get you 65mph at least depending on many
> factors like drag reduction, motor size, ect
>
> Use a 12vdc batt as your 12v source and a reg batt charger instead of a DC/DC.
>
> Now we have most of what you need and haven't hit $1,000 yet !!
sounds to me like you suggest using 2 of these forklift motors wired in
Depends on which motor/s you have and how much power you want. Best,
cheapest way is to just use 1 nose to nose with the trabs pilot shaft through a
coupler like a LoveJoy or other.
2 motors are only if you go direct drive without the trans, just 1
reduction which if you series/parallel them you can get twice the torque for
the same amp controller and or 2 speeds if a contactor controller or if 2
motors is all you can find cheap.
series with belt or chain drive attached to the input shaft of tranny?
what kind of side loads hit the shafts of these motors and tranny? can
you use off-the-shelf bearings like you'd use for shop fixtures?
The bearing is to take the transmission side load and most motors can
easily take toothed belted side loads.
I have struggled with the cost of EV conversion as I see it popularly
discussed: adaptor plates, big expensive motors, complicated expensive
controllers etc. Its definitely keeping me from doing it.
Don't let that stop you as there are many low cost routes to EV's
available. If you don't need high speed much, a bug makes a great EV for around
town at 45-50 mph with an ocasional range shortening spurt to 65mph. One should
easily be able to convert one for under $2k. Myself would do it under $1k
including new batts but I'm real good and cheap.
I also make small 40-60 mph EV trikes from golf cart transaxles that
are very inexpensive to make like under $500.
So don't let high cost keep you from EV's, pick a course and go for it.
Where can I find more information about this type of low-cost conversion
and its effectiveness?
There is plenty on this list, just hard to find at times. Read several
months of posts and you will get a much better idea of possibilities out there.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
Andrew
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:59:06 -0400, Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>> Just out of curiousity, how much head room (floor to ceiling) is their
>> inside this bus?
>>
>> CHeers, Pete.
>>
>>
>The headroom inside the AVS22 is 77 inches.
>
>http://edog.mne.psu.edu/cgi-bin/pti/nph-iis.cgi/000000A/http/130.203.244.135/pti/pdf/0124.pdf
>
> is a test report from Altoona which gives some tech info on the bus.
Can't download that file, permission denied.
>
>Here are three news stories (from my local paper) which illustrate some
>of the reasons behind the unfortunate demise of AVS, and also foretell
>the amount of work that will be required in refurbishing this bus as a
>functional EV...
>
>http://sptimes.com/News/081201/news_pf/Hillsborough/Electric_buses_genera.shtml
>http://www.sptimes.com/News/110301/TampaBay/City_wants_electric_b.shtml
>http://sptimes.com/2002/06/04/Hillsborough/HARTline_ditches_elec.shtml
While no fan of AVS, I have to wonder what made these buses so much
different than the dozen or so Chattanooga has. I wonder if Tampa Bay
tampered with the specs and ended up with one-off customs? I know
that Chattanooga pretty much accepted AVS's standard product. The
only major problem I can recall of the top of my head was with
batteries but they solved that with some mods.
The buses that Chattanooga has are NOT general purpose mass transit
buses. They are much smaller than regular buses, much lighter
construction and are used only for shuttle bus service around downtown
Chattanooga. I can certainly imagine a city trying to press this kind
of bus into mass transit use having durability problems.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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We had our SEVA meeting last night, and Chuck Lyford, of SOVREN Vintage
Racing was our guest.
There are 7 E-Chairs which will compete as of this writing.
Entrance to Pacific Raceway is FREE to us and our Guests.. (Contact me
Directly for INSTRUCTIONS)
OUR races will take place at Noon.
One Practice LAP. One Timed Lap for score.
Course will be short and not too tight.
Some battery charging facilities will be available ( but probably not
necessary)
Then there will be a Drag-Shoot-out with All Chairs side-by-side on the
Drag Strip.. ( probably just a 1/8th mile)
Trophies, $1000. prize money, and a barbecue at the end of the afternoon
The SECOND most Fun part of the day for ME will be to watch all the
Vintage Race Cars... Said to be over 100 vehicles..
Chuck Lyford said he got this crazy idea from an Electric Chair he saw
at a race a year or so ago. Said the guy had a joy stick like on a
video game. I immediately thought of Oatmar... But it turns out this
was in England !!
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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On 9/14/05, Steve O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds good but no thanks. The numbers will relate to the continuous rating
> of the coil but I
> don't know how they actually work. The contactors are made to be on for up to
> 15 mins
> continuous, 15 mins to an hour continuous, or happy being permanently on. No
> point using
> an up to 15minute as your main contactor if you intend to drive for longer
> than that at any
> one time!
That's what coil economiser circuits are for.
--
EVan
http://www.tuer.co.uk/evs2
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Hi Everyone,
Comments inserted below:
Doug wrote:
And on that subject, the local battery store is selling automotive
crimp battery connectors for $7.80 each. I don't think I can afford
those for my 16 batteries, so I thought I'd ask the list about the
connectors for sale on EVParts (QuickCable) and EVSource (brand unknown).
The brand of the connectors in the Top-Line Shop vary. Usually from
reputable, high quality companies such as EastPenn/DEKA or Panduit.
I've heard here before that the QuickCable connectors are high
quality. Can anyone come up with a good reason why my local battery
shop wants more than twice as much for their no-name brand as EVParts
and EVSource wants for theirs? Opinions?
Probably to pay for the guy behind the counter.
One final question: I also bought some 3/4in diameter shrink tube with
glue inside. It seems to work fine, but looking on the web it looks
like everyone recommends the 1in diameter tube for 2/0 cable. Any
opinions? It seems like the 1in stuff would shrink up more and get
stiffer, which doesn't sound ideal.
1" will work just fine on 2/0. 3/4" is probably better suited for 2/0
though. I just updated the suggested list of sizes listed with the heat
shrink on EV Source.
This is exciting. I am a huge nerd.
I think we all are (excited and nerds) :)
-Ryan
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- EV Source <http://www.evsource.com> -
Selling names like Zilla, PFC Chargers, WarP, and PowerCheq
All at the best prices available!
E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Toll-free: 1-877-215-6781
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Tilley is a scam.
Period.
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/Walter_Webb/030120expose.htm
http://www.phact.org/e/tilley.htm
http://www.freeenergynews.com/newstuff/archive/2003May.htm
.
Roy LeMeur
Olympia WA
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
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"EVil bus" is no more frightening name than firewire :-)
Ralph Merwin wrote:
Meta Bus writes:
But could you please change the name? Like many inside jokes, it does
not quite carry over into public. It sounds like the nickname given to
many of the protocol standards I've been coerced into working with over
the years. Instead of morphing Jon into Igor, call him Oscar or Otmar or
some such, and gain the EVol-ution entendre. Or anything else. To answer
Shakespeare's question: First impressions. I don't want to tell my wife
I am working on evil bus code...
I've also thought a different name would be more appropriate for better
mass acceptance. An obvious choice is EVIbus, for Electric Vehicle
Instrumentation bus.
Ralph
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Sorry, I missed this. Short answers:
Don Cameron wrote:
I have only got two responses so far - there must be more!
...
Lithium Battery Users
---------------------
1. If you use Lithium batteries in your EV, what brand, type and size?
Thunder-sky TS-LP90 96 cells
2. What size is the pack, and the type of your EV?
345V nominal, Honda CX HF base vehicle
3. What do you use for a BMS?
Nothing at the moment, being done as we speak.
4. Do you need other energy technology to supplement Lithium? Super Caps,
Lead Acid?
I do only because 90Ah cells are undersized for application.
5. Other comments about using lithium technology (experience, safety,
quality, would you do it again, etc.):
If you know what are you doing, it is safe, at least in my experience.
If I'd do it again knowing what I know now, I'd use 200Ah cells and
no ultracaps.
thanks
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
<outbind://64/www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/>
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Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Hi Stefano and All,
Stefano Landi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just passing on some information and a link.
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005091410121302&item=6-936&catname=electric
While usable, not eff as a reg series motor which would be better.
They have one, a 48vdc GE at $339 that would power most anything but you are
getting close to new prices for a very used unit.
Check your local Fork lift, motor repair shops for orphaned, out of
date , thus cheap motors. I have a rule, never pay more than $100 for one. Amd
make sure it works by taking a battery, jumper cables with spare battery cables
to hok it up for test.
Jim Husted may have some like this. I like GE as they usually are
fairly eff though only a little more. Some like the one you noted and the
Prestolites are only 75% eff vs others are 80-82% eff.
Of course, the E tek if a very small EV or 2-4 of them for a larger EV
may be fairly eff letting you use less batteries or more range.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
regards,
Stefano
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I want to convert a FWD to a trike. The single rear wheel will have to
carry twice the load and a bit more if I add batteries in the trunk for a
hybrid.
y question: Where can I find a wide 'motorcycle type' wheel that will carry
a 105 load index tire (or better) and which can be mounted in a swing arm
fork with a bearing on both sides?
BoyntonStu
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I believe if you use two you can use these on higher voltages also.
LR>.........
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From: "Rick Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Post" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:43 AM
Subject: Albright SW200A Contactors $50
Anyone interested in Albright contactors for $50 each plus shipping?
SW200A-678 (can anyone decipher the -678 part number code?)
12V coil
I think these are rated 120VDC 250A continuous
I bought one on eBay and the seller has Total qty available: 4939
Let me know asap if you want any.
- quantity
- shipping address
- preferred shipper
- how you would like to pay (PayPal preferred)
Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:42:45 -0700, "Lawrence Rhodes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey my 2.4kw solar system gives me a net 10 dollar electric bill per month.
>LR.......NOT PRACTICAL?????
You paid how much for that setup and the payback time is how much? Not
including the sugar from Uncle, of course.
When you do your cost calcs, please include the cost of battery
replacement and the occasional repair of the inverter from lightning
or just plain random failure.
And what do you do if you live in a place like here where the sun
doesn't shine for weeks at a time? That is most of the time from
about the end of October to March in this area.
Nope, not practical.
John
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>From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:51 PM
>Subject: Re: Electricity stored in batteries. The biggest dissapointment of
>the modern world.
>
>
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:15:40 -0400, "David"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Any new energy source MUST follow that route. The existing
>>>> distribution infrastructure includes:
>>>>
>>>> Oil pipelines
>>>> natural gas pipelines
>>>> distillate pipelines
>>>> The natural gas pipelines
>>>> The electrical grid.
>>>> and on a more-or-less local level, petroleum tankers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oops! You forgot the most important one!
>>>
>>>The sun.
>>
>> No, I only listed things that are practical.
>>
>> John
>> ---
>> John De Armond
>> See my website for my current email address
>> http://www.johngsbbq.com
>> Cleveland, Occupied TN
>>
>
---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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And that is a problem? Seems there is a real performance difference at
156vdc. I don't know why. I have just observed it. LR......
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From: "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Well Guys....
On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
If you can fit two more batteries why not max out the voltage?
LR........
You would have to disconnect the Iota during charging and reprogram the
Zivan.
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Here's a response I got from the EBay seller "associated1" saying the Iota
power supplies not suitable for dc-dc purposes. What gives, is this simply a
'non-supported application' that usually works anyway?
Jay Donnaway
Vancouver WA
-snip-
We sell many of these to hobby oriented users, BUT, ALL these units both 120
vac and 220 vac are AC to DC only.
If used off a battery pack you must use an inverter OR use a generator to
supply the Iota with AC power in.
Iota does NOT make DC to DC units.
-associated1
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lol lol lol lol lol He should be put away but he brings me so much
laughter. Don't you believe it Sherry. Look in the Archieves. This guy
is a fake. LR.......Go to drive your Tilley car to LA and oops you lose a
wheel bearing.......
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From: "Sherry Boschert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: Tilley electric car coming soon?
Here's another one that's new to me -- anybody know
how this claim that you don't have to plug in this
electric car could be true?
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/htm/Tilley%20Total%20Electric%20Car%20to%20be%20Produced.htm
Sherry
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:07:51 -0700, Victor Tikhonov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jeff Shanab wrote:
>>
>> Earlier I heard mention of Arcnet and how it is still around(devicenet
>> is industrial version?) Correct me if I am wrong but it's popularity in
>> control systems is because it is not collision based. It is token based
>> and, athought slower, has a predictable and guarenteed latency.
>
>FWIW, CAN based network also has *guaranteed* latency for
>certain priority messages. Top priority message gets to the destination
>regardlss if another node(s) attempted transmitting in the middle of
>(or started together with) such a message.
I'm not all that familiar with CAN but I am Arcnet. I've designed (at
the circuit level) several arcnet-based systems including a large long
distance operator services center with 100 operator stations. Arcnet
is practically bullet-proof and trivially easy to design with. The
SMC chip that I used made the network interface simple electrically
and pain-free in software. All the error checking and flow control is
handled in the chip.
Given how cheap the chips are, how robust the physical layer is and
how simple the wiring is, plus the decades of practical experience out
there, Arcnet would be a great bus to use on an EV. And since Arcnet
cards for PCs are so cheap, the PC interface is available for peanuts.
I really like good mature trailing edge technology where other people
bled to work out the bugs. I like being able to actually believe the
spec sheets and protocol definitions.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Oops, sorry. Didn't mean that to go to the list.
John
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:26:02 -0400, Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>I'm interested in 4
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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I've had a morbid fascination with such frauds. Back in the old days
they promised with small modifications they could turn lead into gold.
Now the universal panacea of free energy devices seems to fill the exact
same void. Wow, this guy's really out to take a lot of people's money
rather than just attention.
I'm surprised he never even tried to fill in the reason why he needs the
investor's money that badly. If you had a product already working and a
buyer than doesn't need you to produce it, just hand it over, why on
earth would you need investor's money?
Take your money over to Moller and his Skycar. At least that has style.
Danny
Christopher Robison wrote:
Oh boy, here we go again (Carl Tilley has been a subject of discussion on
this list before).
This is probably a reasonable place to start, for the story on Carl Tilley.
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/index.html
--chris
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This guy is full of crap.
I seen the dialog between him and Eric Poulsen.
I think most of Eric's responses were civil, however
this guy came across as a real jerk.
Anyhow,
You can supply DC this unit, in fact you can connect
positive and negative either direction, the input
diode bridge will take care of polarity. Of course you
will have the input diode drop losses times 2.
Using the AC input range on their specification you
get
full rated output power with 152-182Vdc. The actual
range will be wider than this, but I'm still waiting
to hear from their engineering department about the
real input range.
It does have some of the open frame drawbacks like the
Todd units, but in my analysis it is more robust than
the Todd unit with better protection mechanisms and
higher efficiency.
The output voltage can be adjusted from 12.5Vdc to
15.5Vdc.
I'll post again when I get more details.
Rod
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a response I got from the EBay seller
> "associated1" saying the Iota power supplies not
> suitable for dc-dc purposes. What gives, is this
> simply a 'non-supported application' that usually
> works anyway?
> Jay Donnaway
> Vancouver WA
> -snip-
> We sell many of these to hobby oriented users, BUT,
> ALL these units both 120 vac and 220 vac are AC to
> DC only.
> If used off a battery pack you must use an inverter
> OR use a generator to supply the Iota with AC power
> in.
> Iota does NOT make DC to DC units.
> -associated1
>
>
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