EV Digest 5124
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) T H I S IS A M U S T - S E E ! ! !
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Zapi controller blink code.
by brian baumel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Give Up on ElectraVan
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: budget EV insurance update
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) unsubscribe
by "Ralph Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: budget EV insurance update
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Fw: [modestofreecycle] OFFER FREE KIT CAR BODY
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: "Who Killed the Electric Car" Review (long)
by Jon Glauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Battery Beach Burned Out Award
by Lowell Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Whooie, elec does it again!
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Acceleration Defined
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Acceleration Defined
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Acceleration Defined
by ROBERT RICE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Japan's Superconducting Maglev
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Acceleration Defined
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Acceleration Defined
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Acceleration Defined
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Battery Beach Burned Out Award
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Battery Beach Burnout part 2.1
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: New Kits
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: budget EV insurance update
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) accessories plow, winch, bucket, fork lift?
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: 2006 Mercury Mariner Hybrid SUV
by "Dale Curren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: budget EV insurance update
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Which Trojan Battery Posts are good for EVs, and which ones are bad?
by Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Give Up on ElectraVan
by "Michael A. Radtke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Give Up on ElectraVan
by "Michael A. Radtke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Florida Ampabout Part One
by ROBERT RICE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Here is the LINK to the National "Plug-In Partners" Kick - Off (1/24/06)
It's a Grass Roots campaign of unprecedented depth and width. Just go
to their HOME PAGE and look at the Broad list of Participants so far...
The video telecast is LONG, but any one and every one who has been
thinking of energy independence, or global warming, or Energy Security,
( or EVs and Plug-in Hybrids) should "click" and watch this Web-Cast
And JOIN the Tide of Positive Change...
Here is the LINK: http://www.connectlive.com/events/austinenergy/
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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4 blinks "accelorator high in standby...VACC>1V" in
other words there is a voltage greater than 1V coming
from your potbox before the controller is powered. I
run into this all the time with mine.
I have the entire manual in PDF if your interested.
Brian
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Anybody got the codes for a Zapi controller. Seems
> dead and here is the
> code I get.
> I'm still trying to get word from ZAPI on the
> controller issue the website
> has no manuals (4 LED blinks, pause, 4 blinks)Thanks
> for any info. Lawrence
> Rhodes.....
>
>
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Can you use your camera to see what would otherwise take dissassembly?
I have found my simple digital camera to be great, it can see better
than me.
I needed motor data and heater band part numbers off of a machine the
other day so I put the camera in hi-res and macro mode and took a few
pics. I then zoomed in on the image and got the info I needed, There was
no way to get my big fat head in where I could reach around the motor
and snap a picture.
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First of all, I think it is *not* a good idea to 'self insure' your car.
I'd like to explain why: Accidents can and will create damages *far*
beyond what a house might be worth. I have seen wrongful death verdicts in
the amount of millions, or, if the victim happens to be, say, paralyzed,
the responsible party will have to pay for life. If you have some form of
insurance, the insurance will pay lawyers and associated fees to try to
keep damages as low as possible. In addition, if you have some form of
serious coverage (I am not talking about State minimum) judges nowadays
tend to keep damage payments (via verdicts) within the coverage because
you have shown a responsible behaviour by providing adequate insurance
coverage. Should you however pick the lowest possible coverage or choose
to self insure, judges and jurys tend to punish you for not being willing
to provide that 'adequate' insurance policy (he/she wanted to save money
on his/her insurance and now that poor victim will not be able to get
cruches...)
Another issue is 'uninsured' motorists. Without own insurance, you will
have to bite the bullet if an uninsured car, bycicle, tractor or whatever
damages your vehicle. There are *a lot* of uninsured vehicles on the road,
believe me.
>> Lee Hart wrote:
>
>> I didn't care if I lost the house or car due to an accident that was
>> my fault. Now, married with kids etc. my wife won't accept such an
>> attitude.
Marvin Campbell wrote:
> (Snorts...shakes head)
>
> Women...
No comment on that.
Michaela
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Hello Victor,
My liability insures damage cause to other people and covers any persons who is
riding in the my car, just like any liability coverage does. I said the
liability is on the user who bought the insurance. Its still insures all other
damage to others.
Liability covers all Bodily Injury, Property Damage, Medical Payments,
Uninsured motorist coverage, Uninsured motoriist bodily injury to anybody that
is outside or inside the vehicle.
Roland
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From: Victor Tikhonov<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: budget EV insurance update
Roland, thanks for the answer and sorry to hear about your family
members. I was implying in general, not necessarily family members,
and not unauthorized use. Like if you let your friend (non-relative)
to borrow your car for a single ride or for a weekend.
You said your insurance does not cover your car, it covers you.
So your friend in your car could be technically uninsured, right?
That is if your friend has more conventional insurance which covers
him only while in *his own* car he assigned to, not while driving
anything else out there (like your car).
So if he injures someone while taking your car for a ride, I wonder
who's paying for the injury treatment (in your state)?
Victor
Roland Wiench wrote:
> If a unauthorized person takes your car, or steels it, your insurance
> covers it. Anyway all my family members are dead, except one who is
> in a retirement home. Roland
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Someone has a free body! Hurry!
Dave
From deep within our secret soul
do demons dwell and take their toll
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From: "Darlene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: [modestofreecycle] OFFER FREE KIT CAR BODY
I have a kit car it is a bradley gt and the color is yellow, Its just
the body, you haul away....
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Thanks for the review.. I wouldn't have heard about the film otherwise,
and now I will try to activly seek it and watch it.
-Jon Glauser
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Thanks Matt for prompting me into sharing. One of these days We will
actually have a car worth wrining about.
It's 2:30 PM last Tuesday afternoon. The UPS truck pulls into Miramar
High School with our freshly constructed Z2K. Its time to get our 944 Porsche
finally together. My students and myself get to the task of installing the bad
boy. To make a long story short Tuesday and Wednesday pass and finally at 1:30
AM Thursday Morning in my back yard we have our baby ready to roll. We get
about 100 yards and the 12volt battery (which does not have a DC-DC yet) dies.
Winch on the trailer and off to school Thursday Morning. We spend the day
finishing up odds and ends and at 3:00 PM off I go for a 25 mile easy trip
home. (Otmar told me to put 100 easy miles on our baby at 150 motor volts
before thrashing) No problems. Pull less than 200 amps all the way home. Back
to school Friday Morning, charge all day and load up. We make the 1 1/2 hour
trip up to Moroso, go through tech and as Matt said pull up for our first
passes. Next comes the best part of my weekend. Matt failed !
to tell
you he red lighted. (Got you there Matt) So I actually beat the monster 240.
(The only time that will ever happen in my lifetime) The rest of the weekend
is just wonderful. The motors stayed in series for our illustrious 19 second
run. We got to pits, figured out did not have auto shift option turned on.
Back to staging. The motors send sparks flying in burnout. I launch and as
soon as series parallel shift occurs I see geen plasma under car. Back to pits
check out brushes. All looks ok well maybe one more run. Back to line. No
burn out, launch in 5th and bamm, trans axle lets go. Yeah we did win the
"Burned out Award" Load her up and home we go. It's now Tuesday again. I
finally got to meet Jim Husted on the phone last night. Was figuring maybe
I'll ship these motors to him to figure whats going on. Had a great
conversation. He seems to be a super guy. I decided to go to school and look
one more time at our set up. I double check everything. Our xp's are c!
ounter
clockwise rotation. The first thing I do is just double check that. It seems
as if some idiot decided to look at the armature end of the motor when
advancing the brushes. That same idiot rotated the brushes 12 degrees
clockwise to advance brush timing. So this idiot (oh yeah thats me) retarded
the brushes 12 degrees. Students removed tranxaxle, its torn apart and
everything gets put together right starting tomorrow. Well thats my story. I
would also like to thank Shawn Wagonner and Matt Graham for all the help and
encouragement you have given us at Miramar High School. You guys keep prodding
me on and maybe our car will actually break 16 seconds some day.
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We actually agree on pretty much everything here. I've made some plaintive
posts in the past about these EVs-vs-the-mainstream issues, which I won't
repeat now.
Just because I gotta though :o) ... I recall range being somewhere around
40 miles maybe a little over; and at least empirically, performance was
every bit as good as the original truck (naturally I couldn't resist
"testing" this shortly after we finished the truck). Not *much* better, but
definitely at least as good. (Ah, my first subtle whiff of insulation just
slightly warmed. A pleasant memory, that.)
And significantly better performance I might add, than my gutless Hombre
was before I pulled the engine. :o)
--chris
On 2:17:05 am 01/25/06 "Alaric G. Weigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not a dig on the Ranger. Not only was the Ranger conversion a
> very well done one, but it was better than most of the EV's I've
> seen, garage built or otherwise. Not bad for a first effort at all.
> Rather impressive, actually.
>
> My comment was in response to Neon's expressed view of practicality.
> The "average joe consumer" perspective as it were. Your comment
> regarding "any garage-built EV" is right on the money and part of my
> point. Garage built EV's are not, by in large, practical in the
> sense that average joe consumer understands. Nor are high end
> two-seat, doorless concept/exotic cars. Despite that, there are a
> fair number of individuals who one could classify as early adopters
> that have the funds and the inclination to purchase such vehicles.
> Folks not obsessed with EV evangelism, but interested in new
> technology and willing to take the trade-offs associated with it.
>
> Dismissing vehicles like the T-Zero and its kin as "impractical" and
> offering nothing that a $100K Lingenfelter 'Vette couldn't give you
> more of is disingenuous and narrow visioned. What I was trying to
> convey to Neon was that a 1999 Ford Ranger EV, a first time effort,
> clandestinely converted in an apartment garage, with a 20-30 mile
> range, and slightly less performance (at the time it was shown) than
> the original was enough to draw excited interest from my boss. The
> T-Zero had him even more excited. Then he found out he couldn't just
> go and buy one.
> Practicality is not really the concern of the kind of early adopters
> that new vehicle technology goes to first. They want speed, they
> want performance, and most of all they want something that no one
> else has yet. And they'll trade almost anything else to get it. And
> then when they drive their strange ugly/beautiful vehicles around
> they attract the attention of the next tier of adopters. And so on
> and so on.
> At any rate, that was the point I was trying to make when I called
> the Ranger "impractical."
>
> -Alaric
>
>
>
> Chris Robison wrote:
>
> > Not to nitpick, but I'm not sure if Farver's the kind of guy to
> > defend himself on this one, so I'll give it a shot. To call the
> > Ranger "impractical" would be, I think, to say as much for any
> > garage-built EV.
> >
>
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Victor wrote:
> Why not then just buy/build and install a rocket jet on a wheels
Because it's more fun(and useful) to do it with electric. Ideally, I
want to be able to drive this fast electric vehicle to work and
everywhere else.
This isn't a personal jab at you, just my frustration with the current
state of AC:
The AC stuff is priced like Ferrari's and Porsche's. What's the
performance of the AC stuff like?
For that type of money, we need more performance.
How come your car isn't faster then it is? Is it motor limited,
battery limited, or inverter limited?
What would you need to do to it to make it faster then John Waylands
car? Do you currently offer a motor/inverter setup that could beat
Waylands car? Do you know if a motor/inverter setup even exists that
could do that?
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> Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from
> light to light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive
> 900 revolutions under load.
Is it just me, or does that not make any sense?
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Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Top fuel engines turn approximately
540 revolutions from
> light to light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive
> 900 revolutions under load.
Is it just me, or does that not make any sense?
Not a hellova lot! But we all know they Top Fuelie guyz defy, and get away
with it, the Laws of Physics!
Seeya
Bob
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Mike Ellis wrote:
>www.exn.net also has a test drive of the Ellica EV,
>and an air powered car from France in their video section.
Impressive range(93 miles) considering it's just running off a ~4,000
psi air tank...(maybe it has more then one tank?)
Shame about the top speed though...(37mph on air)
Good stuff:
http://discoverychannel.ca/on_tv/car_video_list/
Thanks
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Its true.
7500 RPM/60 Sec= 125 revolutions/sec
125 revolutions/sec * 4.41 sec = 551.25 revolutions, light to light.
just add a little for the burnout.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ryan Stotts
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Acceleration Defined
> Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from
> light to light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive
> 900 revolutions under load.
Is it just me, or does that not make any sense?
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ROBERT RICE wrote:
> But we all know those Top Fuelie guyz defy,
> and get away with the Laws of Physics!
I'll be surprised if these records ever get broken:
"The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the
quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00
mph (533 km/h)"
This is a good example of rules limiting and hampering innovation.
The rules state and limit the tire size, engine size, vehicle weight,
and on and on. Every little detail. No room to improve.
Monster Trucks can't weigh less then 10,000 lbs. One Nascar is just
like the one next to it. Same with Formula One cars.
It would be exiting if those race cars could run any engine combo they wanted..
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>>It would be exiting if those race cars could run any engine combo they
wanted..
what, like quad 9" and 6000 Amp LSP on rails? I guess I should look since my
interest is piqued, what times are the electric non-street guys running?
Maybe some math on energy density calculations are in order to see what the
possibility is.
F=ma, right? :-D
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Hey Lowell
I'm jazzed to read this post. Although I had company, a raging dog, and a
screaming daughter in the background, I also enjoyed the call. Congrats on
finding the problem. Matt probably saw it, but you just beat him so he had to
have his revenge, LMAO! Of course he was kind of busy testing Otmars and
Rudmans warranty ratings and limit capacities, so he might have missed it... 8^
P
Best of luck and I guess the real testing will begin soon. This is going to
be like switching from remedial to advance class.
Cya
Jim Husted
Lowell Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Matt for prompting me into sharing. One of these days We will actually
have a car worth wrining about.
It's 2:30 PM last Tuesday afternoon. The UPS truck pulls into Miramar High
School with our freshly constructed Z2K. Its time to get our 944 Porsche
finally together. My students and myself get to the task of installing the bad
boy. To make a long story short Tuesday and Wednesday pass and finally at 1:30
AM Thursday Morning in my back yard we have our baby ready to roll. We get
about 100 yards and the 12volt battery (which does not have a DC-DC yet) dies.
Winch on the trailer and off to school Thursday Morning. We spend the day
finishing up odds and ends and at 3:00 PM off I go for a 25 mile easy trip
home. (Otmar told me to put 100 easy miles on our baby at 150 motor volts
before thrashing) No problems. Pull less than 200 amps all the way home. Back
to school Friday Morning, charge all day and load up. We make the 1 1/2 hour
trip up to Moroso, go through tech and as Matt said pull up for our first
passes. Next comes the best part of my weekend. Matt failed !
to tell
you he red lighted. (Got you there Matt) So I actually beat the monster 240.
(The only time that will ever happen in my lifetime) The rest of the weekend is
just wonderful. The motors stayed in series for our illustrious 19 second run.
We got to pits, figured out did not have auto shift option turned on. Back to
staging. The motors send sparks flying in burnout. I launch and as soon as
series parallel shift occurs I see geen plasma under car. Back to pits check
out brushes. All looks ok well maybe one more run. Back to line. No burn out,
launch in 5th and bamm, trans axle lets go. Yeah we did win the "Burned out
Award" Load her up and home we go. It's now Tuesday again. I finally got to
meet Jim Husted on the phone last night. Was figuring maybe I'll ship these
motors to him to figure whats going on. Had a great conversation. He seems to
be a super guy. I decided to go to school and look one more time at our set up.
I double check everything. Our xp's are c!
ounter
clockwise rotation. The first thing I do is just double check that. It seems as
if some idiot decided to look at the armature end of the motor when advancing
the brushes. That same idiot rotated the brushes 12 degrees clockwise to
advance brush timing. So this idiot (oh yeah thats me) retarded the brushes 12
degrees. Students removed tranxaxle, its torn apart and everything gets put
together right starting tomorrow. Well thats my story. I would also like to
thank Shawn Wagonner and Matt Graham for all the help and encouragement you
have given us at Miramar High School. You guys keep prodding me on and maybe
our car will actually break 16 seconds some day.
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From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Battery Beach Burnout part 1
well I woke a 3 am and got the lights out , wasn't the clutch was my hub
that held the fly wheel , made a direct coupler and put everything back
in place their was no time test drive , if it goes I'm off , if not I'm
off to , see ya at bbb.
steve clunn
part 3
well I did drive it around the block , but didn't push it , put it on the
tow dolly and down the road I went . First thing I noticed was the hi amp
draw on my truck 150 to 200amps just to roll along at about 40 mph . With
two strings of golfers I can pull 200 ah easy , but will that get me there.
I was counting on things losing up as the oil and what ever it is that seems
to loosen up on a ev after 5 or so miles of driving . After about 10 miles
I
decided to start using the race cars pack ah also. I stopped and plugged the
battery pack for the race truck into the pfc 50 charger and started pumping
30 amps into the tow truck (120v ) while draining the race truck of 15 amp
( pfc converting volts to amps). Looked like I could run the charger this
way for at least 2 hours . The extra 30 amp kept the draw on the tow truck
down between 120 and 150 , while going 40 to 45 mph. . I called Paul , and
he was still having trouble getting the axils set up on his 959 Porsche ev .
At this point we decided that he could bring the car to the show and we
would wire it up there, if the axles worked. So now things are looking like
I'm not going to be late , and I won't have as far to go . Got there around
4 and saw Jerry with there with the Freedom body , waiting out in a big
field outside
the gates of the race track. Nice looking body , very air o dynamic and
roomy inside . Two people could sit side by side in side , . More people
started showing up and we moved inside to the back where a huge generator
was waiting . I don't know why but at any ev event time just seems to fly .
I hadn't had time to hook the light and shut down switch but brought the
stuff to install on the spot . I also had to get hooked up for charging ,
Filled the paper work out and get in line for the
tack inspection . A long line of cars waiting to be looked at , many
people
had popped there hoods while hanging out , as I;m always looking for a
excuse to
do this , I had mine up and sure enough , and crowed of people started
gathering around and asking questions. There where tons of beautiful gas
cars
all over , but I never saw a crowd around any , except the electrics.
Past the tack inspection and got in line There as some
waiting , as there where many waiting their turn , it didn't take
long before I had my hood up and yes more people and more question. What a
great place to expose EV's to probable a very good audience , after all who
better to tackle a conversion than guys who like to build hot rods. My
first run was against another EV , a 96v VW ( jeta ? ) . No burn outs in the
staging area cus I didn't know if things where going to hold , . The track
was so sticky that it sounded like I was driving on fly paper and I could
feel the wheels sticking to the ground. Up to this point I had never been to
a drag strip , sitting at the line waiting for the lights , the whole world
seemed to stand still . I needed a little help getting the truck lined up
just right , so the rights lights came on and when the lights started going
down the tree I realized I didn't know what one I was looking for , The vw
took off and I asked the guy " do I go now " . I think he was enjoying being
able to talk to me with out shouting as we where sitting their in EV silence
.He smiled and said , " yes go " and I gentle pushed the go peddle . The
truck took off and for the first time and I was experiencing some 2k power .
I had sat at the line for 3.028 seconds while the VW driver seemed to know
what to do . he was already way ahead but as I pushed harder on the go I
started to catch him . My time on the first run was 17.25 witch was almost
the same as my last run , where I took off in 4th and spun the tires 1/2 way
down the track. .
part 3 day 2
Steve clunn
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Dave Davidson wrote:
Here in the northeast, most every car or truck that old has long since
rusted out. It would work, though, for someone in that area who wanted
to build and sell conversions. Generally, someone wanting to do their
own conversion will choose something local rather than shipping a
glider across the country. However, a completed EV could be shipped
anywhere.
That *old*?!?
I would personally never consider a vehicle that has been around less
then 20 years "old"...
An entire section of this world with no hardly any cars living more then
15-20 years? That has got to be one of the saddest things I have ever
heard :-(
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Michaela Merz wrote:
First of all, I think it is *not* a good idea to 'self insure' your car.
I'd like to explain why: Accidents can and will create damages *far*
beyond what a house might be worth. I have seen wrongful death verdicts in
the amount of millions, or, if the victim happens to be, say, paralyzed,
the responsible party will have to pay for life. If you have some form of
insurance, the insurance will pay lawyers and associated fees to try to
keep damages as low as possible. In addition, if you have some form of
serious coverage (I am not talking about State minimum) judges nowadays
tend to keep damage payments (via verdicts) within the coverage because
you have shown a responsible behaviour by providing adequate insurance
coverage. Should you however pick the lowest possible coverage or choose
to self insure, judges and jurys tend to punish you for not being willing
to provide that 'adequate' insurance policy (he/she wanted to save money
on his/her insurance and now that poor victim will not be able to get
cruches...)
Another issue is 'uninsured' motorists. Without own insurance, you will
have to bite the bullet if an uninsured car, bycicle, tractor or whatever
damages your vehicle. There are *a lot* of uninsured vehicles on the road,
believe me.
I completely agree with you, but for different reasons:
I was creamed on my motorcycle many years ago by a hulking 75 pickup. I
had the highest coverage I could find for a motorcycle at the time,
which was from Allstate. Full comp, highest offered medical, the works.
The full fault was with the driver of the truck (turned left into me at
a full 35MPH - the legal speed limit on that road - at a stoplight when
I had the green). The bike was totaled, the engine was cracked and the
frame bent. I was in ICU for two weeks and 5 separate surgeries at
Harborview. My insurance maxed out (the bike was only a month old and
the medical bill went over a half mil) then promptly dropped my forever
- I guess most companies have a "lifetime max" waiver, watch out - my
health insurance followed suit for the same reason. I was left in a
wheelchair for almost a year, and I got $25,000 from the guy, $5000 of
which went to my lawyer.
He lived in an apartment, was a truck driver (not after the accident
though), and only owned that darn truck. The judge felt bad for me, but
wasn't about to put the guy and his son out in the cold for years to
help me out. I grudgingly agreed with him and dropped it.
I was insured, he was insured (minimally). If I had tried the
self-insured thing, how the heck would I of covered even a fraction of
that medical bill!? I got the highest coverage I could find, and I only
got by on the skin of my teeth. And I *still* can't get good medical -
insurance companies start to spazz out when they get wind of that old
bill which was never fully paid off, just thankfully written off by the
kind folks at the U.W.
It happens. Hospitals are still busy doing orthopedic reconstructions,
mostly triggered by auto accidents. There are few procedures that a
hospital can do to you that costs more. Just be prepared, or it could
ruin the rest of your life. Forget the belongings you could loose;
spending 30+ years to pay such a bill would be pure torture.
Just a few cents, FWIW - Get good auto insurance everyone, not just in
case you hurt someone else, but to cover your own ass from someone
else's mistake.
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Hello
I working on my 4x4 1986 Toyota pick-up, and realize I
could mount a plow on it.
What I was really wondering if anyone ever hooked up a
bucket or a fork lift to the front of a vehicle? Maybe
a PTO whatever that is?
Would you just run it off your 12volt battery or would
there be any advantage to run it off the 120vdc?
I'm building a log structure this summer, and I wanted
to move some logs around.
Thanks in advance!
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** Reply to message from "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 23 Jan
2006 01:47:11 -0500
> Cor van de Water,
>
> Thanks for the correction. May I ask what "real world" fuel mileage you get
> with your Prius?
I own a Prius. I get 53 mpg. When my wife drives it, it gets 48mpg.
Dale Curren
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Jon the web master of www.grassrootsev.com had the idea of trying to
organize a ev insurance company . His reasoning was , EV drivers probable
have less accidents , but pay the same or more for insurance . With a group
of people that paid the same price but had less accidents , money could be
made he though, which then of course could be spent to make more EV's . At
first I though it was a good idea , but after talking to somebody who was in
the insurance business , I dropped the idea . Jon put something up on the
web site to see if anyone was interested and got 1 e mail
http://www.grassrootsev.com/autoinsure.htm .
Maybe somebody should talk to a real insurance company , tell them to put
something on a web site about "possible EV insurance " then like the drag
site we all e mail them , they get 100's of e- mails and maybe do something
.
Steve Clunn
Crystal ball insurance , if we don't insure you , you better not drive.
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Anyone willing to comment on the strengths and
weaknesses of the different battery posts that Trojan
offers on their floddies? Below is a link showing
pictures of the different ones.
Thanks,
Steven Ciciora
http://www.trojan-battery.com/Products/TerminalsDiagram.aspx
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Jeff,
That's a good suggestion. I'll see what I can do. Probably not until
the weekend though.
Thanks,
Mike
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Subject: Re: Give Up on ElectraVan
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:00:04 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Can you use your camera to see what would otherwise take dissassembly?
I have found my simple digital camera to be great, it can see better
than me.
I needed motor data and heater band part numbers off of a machine the
other day so I put the camera in hi-res and macro mode and took a few
pics. I then zoomed in on the image and got the info I needed, There was
no way to get my big fat head in where I could reach around the motor
and snap a picture.
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Jimmy,
I have not altered the original wiring polarity, except for doing an
electric reverse. I will check it out over the next few days and post
the connections.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Mike
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Subject: RE: Give Up on ElectraVan
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:01:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Michael,
I have two of the motors you are using, although I
haven't put as many miles on them as you, I check the
brushes whenever I have them out and the wear is
minimal. I think Rod may be on the right track. One
easy way to find out is to look at how your motor is
terminated to your controller. Can you tell us where
the positive and negative cables are connected as well
as the jumper?
Hang tight,
Jimmy
>>This may be too obvious, but I thought I would
mention
it.
The GE motor you have is the one given to many high
schools
and colleges when I worked at GE back in the early to
mid 90's.
The Honda civic had a transmission that turned the
opposite direction of that intended. This caused lots
of arcing and sparcing not to mention less efficient
opperation. Since the brushes are advanced for one
direction of rotation I wonder if your vehicle is
turning in the opposite. Sorry I can't find the
proper rotation, but I think it can be found in the
archives.
Rod
--- Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Michael A. Radtke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > From my earlier post, you may have seen that my
> Jet
> > ElectraVan is down again, this time in an
> expensive way.
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Hi All;
At last a post<g>! I'm STILL in Fla, visiting my sister in Vero Beach,
after my BBB experiance. Had a great time, jetted in on Fri Nite. Duh! I
shoulda come down on Thurs, but got my rental car, a fire engine RED Pontiac,
the ONLY non SUV on the National car rental lot!Off to BBB which REALLY isn't
in West Palm, but inland where the allegaters STILL roam. Got there about 10 PM
as the electrics were starting to run. Steve was ready to go in the Racing
Nissan? truck. Great to meet him, and other familiar faces and a bunch of other
guyz, too.As Steve sez, time flies when you're with the EV crew. Steve had that
killer 11 inch motor ready to go, and it did! Had there bbeen a Burnout
contest, he would won it hands down!4th gear smoked the tires, anytime! Had he
been able to hook up, I think he would have been in the 100 MPH Klub, for sure.
Freedom EV an' Jerry was there. It looks great! Very aero, it was sitting
on the faithful; old trailer that carried the Sunrise back to Fla from CT
hitched to my old tired238 thou Rabbit, still going strong, recognized it right
away. It was very happy, being loved and cared for by Jerry, who sez that cars
don't have a soul? With it's cheery Diseasel clatter, it bore us about the
trak, always ready to go. Gees! If we can build an EV that faithful?!The Fredom
got lottsa exp[osure around the track, everybody got a look at it. It needs a
lot more to go, hope to meet the chassis , at Jerry's, in Tampa before I jet
back to the land of ice and snow on Sunday.
Back to the races. After things started winding down, about 2 am, started
to think of where to crasdh for the nite. NOTHING, i mean NOTHING around the
track, it is REALLY out in the wilderness. THAT'S why they can run gas rigs
through the night, all that racket, the alegaters and crocodiles don't care!
Drove into town, turned away at the big box motels around the I-95, the Gold
Coast Corridor, wondered down to RT One, the same old RT 1 that passes through
my part of Corrupticut, found a No tel motel, eupomisticly called the "Budget
Inn"Wow! less than 100 bux! Well I AM in season, what do ya expect?Well, a lot
more. The TV was so old that it didn't EVen have a remote, rotery type dial,
like in my deformative years as a kid!For what I spent there they coulda run
over to Wal*Mart and updated with China's finast!Mourning came all too soon,
was up as soon as the bulldozers went to work in the next empty lot!Christ!
They are EVERYWHERE! As I write this they are across the st!
reet
building up anm embankment to build a house on. Tons of soil(sand) are trucked
in to build the site up so when it floods you can still find your house. All
this area is flat as a tabletop. Great EV country, thouigh!Well, all this part
of Vero was a swamp 15 minutes ago, were inland, stil;l almost affordable, from
the ocean.
Back to the story, went back to the trak, by Noon Jerry was set up there,
in the Campground site just out side of the main gate.We went for snacks as I
was be damned if I was gunna pay 3 bux for a @#$% Coke at the trak, after
paying EIGHT BUX for a cheezeburger and Coke AT the food consession last nite!
I thought there were laws about price gouging<G>?The oil Co's could take
lessons! So we drove out to a gas station inconvenience store, and got
sandwiches, drinks at a fair price. Went back to the trak. Local wildlife Sand
hill Craines were there, a silliy looking 3 foot high distant relative of the
Whooping cranes. They are feerless, come right up to the car, at YOUR eye
leval! Jerry sed that they would reach right in and grab your sandwich!We fed
then scraps, fun to watch the morsel of food go down their throats, like a
python swallowing a pig effect. A bubble gopng down to their fuel tank(Belly).
I think they woulda taken bolts and nuts!?Grapes worked well for this !
effect.
People and cars started showing up. TWO Rav-4's electric of course! C huck
Walen had brought his fleet up, from W Palm! Charged and nice and juicy, readty
to show a REAL EV could do. I asked him if I could take a spin?" Sure" he said.
I climbed in, pushed the seat back, to gert my fat ass in, and startyed'er uo,
a tewist of the key and it was "ready" DFloated out to the road and gave it a
little throttle. Took ofgf great. No sounds, well, DUH! It's electric! ran down
to the 710 two laner. Waited for a break in the traffgic, everybody's training
for the Grand Pris out there as they rockety by at 80MPH, the SLOW ones, I
launched, normally, I DIDN"T put my foot in it. was wafted, for lack of a
better term, up to 60-65, effortlessly, carf flew by me! Not gunna take THAT
for long, pedal to the mettal! Right up to 85! I was staying with the bunch
that had passed me a few seconds before!WOW! The EV grin all over.Nobody seemed
to notice the EV, even though it has a few stickers!
on it.If
EVERYBODY in USA coulda talen a drive in one of these, they would be beating
down Toyotas door to get one!Or two! The Electric car is HERE! Godammit! Why
are we having to build our own? I cruised with ther AC and radio on, in my
other drives around Fla with Chuck.Well, it's a Toyota. Hell, THAT sez it all!
Everything just WORKS! Sorta like my Prius, where stuff was/is, lights climate
control, it wassn't the go crazy trying to figure out the controls in my rental
Ponti-hack!
Thanks to the scandalis acts of Big Biz, we don't have the Car as we can't
get the big Panasonic batteries that run ther Rav, AND the EV-1 There is no
excuse for this. History books wil;l point this out to our grandkids. Ye! Ha
got one on the way!
(To be continued, were goin' to the beach!)
Seeya in the surf!
Bob
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