EV Digest 5129
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: Well crap!
by Matt Milliron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: NAPA - Exide Deep Cycle Batteries - Update
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Dragtimes.com, let's keep up the votes!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Whooie, elec does it again!
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Whooie, elec does it again!
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Dragtimes.com, let's keep up the votes!
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: NAPA - Exide Deep Cycle Batteries - Update
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Dragtimes.com, let's keep up the votes!
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Firefly Energy get funding for US government
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Jet Industries Vehicle Safety. Was: Well crap!
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Raptor 600
by "Neil Gover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Jet Industries Vehicle Safety. Was: Well crap!
by Matt Milliron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
by "Alaric G. Weigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
by "Alaric G. Weigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
by Dave Stensland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) OT - New Name for the EVDL
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: How to Convert - For fun and Profit - Without getting Sued
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Selling my 144V Electric Civic
by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Which Trojan Battery Posts are good for EVs, and which ones are bad?
by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: OT - New Name for the EVDL
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: OT - New Name for the EVDL
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Free UPS batteries (Portland area)
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: How to Convert - For fun and Profit - Without getting Sued
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) New use for electric motors in 1884
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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<<<<The name of the car is a Manta Mirage. You can see this type of car by just
type in Manta Mirage in your search engine. Mine is like the long body red one
that is display at a car show>>>>
Is that like this one:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/119.html
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:54:49 -0600, you wrote:
> I just started my first electrical fire on my car. My fault one
>wire missconnected. At least I caught it before the car/garage burned
>down. Fried the cooling fan's power supply, however.
Are there any Electrica owners that know where the thin red wire in
the back battery box is connected?
Matt Milliron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1981 Jet Electrica, Ford Escort
My daughter named it, "Pikachu".
It's yellow and black, electric and
contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
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How much did the batteries coat each?
--- Michaela Merz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello everybody:
>
> Just wanted to give you a quick update on my
> previously mentioned battery
> issue. Short review: I didn't wanted to change all
> cables on my truck and
> the Trojan guy gave me a hard time in regard to AP
> posts, so I went to the
> local NAPA store and got myself a set of Exide made
> 6 V DeepCycle Floodies
> with the capacity of T-125s. They had to order them
> and they all came a
> few days later in one shipment. I very soon started
> to be disappointed by
> the capacity and range until I was barely able to
> get 15 Miles out of the
> truck (at 144 Volt nominal). I am using an average
> of 250 Watt/hrs per
> Mile.
>
> After some hunting I actually found a dead battery a
> week ago. It measured
> 2.3 Volts under load, all other batteries were fine.
>
> A new measurement today turned out two other
> batteries dead (one measured
> .773 Volts under load, mind you, not a cell, the
> complete battery, the
> other one about 3.3 Volts). So it seems as if all my
> NAPA/Exides are
> dying. Some are developing some kind of blueish
> stuff around a pole,
> others are just dead.
>
> I contacted Exide today and asked them, if they are
> willing to replace my
> complete set of batteries against Exide branded new
> ones, let's see how
> and if they answer.
>
> I am currently using an NG-3 charger, water levels
> are ok and those
> batteries have never been raped in any form. I am
> still asking myself, if
> I might be responsible for the untimely death of
> those batteries .. any
> ideas?
>
> Michaela
>
>
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Hello to All,
In case some of you have slumped off on what was once a daily voting
schedule, you might want to take a fresh look at the Dragtimes.com page.
Though the electrics are still in the 1-2-3 spots, there's a hot high 10
second Vette who's been climbing the ladder fast, and has jumped up
nearly 200 votes today! He's already blown away the Subaru guy that
'was' holding onto the 4th place spot, even though this morning he was a
ways behind that car, and he's now only about 250 votes away from taking
Maniac Mazda's #3 spot. By tomorrow, unless we re-energize our voting
campaign, he could overtake one of the electrics, perhaps all three
before the end of this month! At the same time I've seen this Vette
climb so rapidly, I've noticed the daily votes added to the EVs has
declined, so it's obvious some aren't voting, that once were. This is no
time to rest on our laurels, so let's hit that 'vote' button each day!
Come on, this would be a real feather in our cap to get the electrics
featured as cars of the month, so how 'bout continuing with the voting
support? The Vette is at 1593 votes right now at 8:50 pm west coast
time....he was under 1500 votes earlier today.
Thanks in advance....
See Ya......John Wayland
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No it is not.
Just type Manta Mirage in your search engine and you will come to the first web
site that is title Manta.
The web address is below, but for some reason when I type any web address it
doubles up for some reason sending it to the discussion list. If its doubles
up, than delete half of it.
http://www.davewolin.com/otman.htm<http://www.davewolin.com/otman.htm>
There is a long body type and a short body type. The red, blue and yellow cars
shown are like mind car. These cars are set on a space tube frame and built up
to Cam AM racing specifications. I used a front Porch suspension and a Corvette
rear suspension that bolts right up to a Munce transaxle that connects to a
Corvette 327 cu.in. 375 hp engine. Maximum speed is 194 mph at 8000 rpm.
There type of cars are GT Road Racers in the Cam Am series at Sebring and
Riverside.
Roland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: EV Discussion List<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: World's Quickest and Fastest Street Legal Electric Car?
<<<<The name of the car is a Manta Mirage. You can see this type of car by
just
type in Manta Mirage in your search engine. Mine is like the long body red one
that is display at a car show>>>>
Is that like this one:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/119.html<http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/119.html>
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Neon John wrote:
>$75k for a hand-built Honda conversion 11 years ago? I
>guess yours and my understanding of "practical" >differs a
bit.
That's what happens when the product is hand built and the
company doesn't have the capability to mass produce a car
like the big automakers.
An article titled "Electric Smoke Screen" in the Sacramento
News & Reviews quoted Alan Coconni on the price of this car.
He specifically mentioned that with production of 1,000 cars
per year, the price would be under $30,000, and with a
production of 10,000 cars per year, $20,000.
This was in the middle 1990s, for a car that got 100 miles
range, seats 4 people, and had acceleration performance to
match or exceed $40,000+ sports cars. No advanced batteries
needed. $20,000 would be quite practical, as that is in fact
what the Prius goes for. Demand cannot be met for the Prius.
Imagine a pure EV.
Who wouldn't want a car like that? Why can't the big
automakers do it, for that matter?
With no mass production capability, prices will stay at
$75,000 for hand-built conversions. There is little getting
around the problem of volume, although Jerry Dycus seems to
be doing a good job by compromising components to go as
cheap as possible. Given AC Propulsion's products, the Dycus
route probably isn't very practical.
As a side note, I don't think the market for a $75,000 Honda
Civic would have been much better than Solectria's attempt
at a $40,000 Geo Metro, albeit at least the electric Civic
would have had some grunt. Get the price to the
$20,000-30,000 level, and demand would not be able to be
met. People would be clamoring for such a car. My dad used
to have an Audi TT. New, they were near $40k. It did 0-60
mph in 6.2 seconds, the same as what that Civic was quoted
at. That same Civic EV, produced in the volume of an Audi
TT? $20,000, half the price, for the same acceleration
performance...
The EV is a new era of affordable performance waiting to see
the light of day. But those willing to bring it out don't
have the cash to do it in large enough volume, and those
with the cash aren't willing to bring these cars to the
public.
Of course, should the quote not be accurate, guiven that the
media doersn't always get things right, this would all be
moot. But it seems reasonable at first glance.
Here's the article's direct quote and a citation:
Sacramento News & Reviews, Electric Smoke Screen, by
Nick Budnick, 7/6/1995, Page 19, The rhetoric
obscures the great strides electric vehicles have made in
the last several years. A Southern California firm co-owned
by Alan Cocconi, a former researcher with GM's electric
vehicle program, has developed a 200-horsepower motor that
propels a four-seater converted Honda Civic from zero to 60
mph in a mere 6.2 seconds, according to the July Road &
Track magazine. The vehicle needs only two hours to recharge
using a washer/dryer outlet. Of course, it costs $75,000;
but Cocconi told the News & Review the high price is because
it is a prototype, hand-built by the company's seven
employees--not by an assembly line. "If you build 1,000 a
year, it would be below $30,000; and if you build 10,000 a
year, you get it down to around $20,000," he said.
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John Westlund wrote:
As a side note, I don't think the market for a $75,000 Honda
Civic would have been much better than Solectria's attempt
at a $40,000 Geo Metro, albeit at least the electric Civic
would have had some grunt. Get the price to the
$20,000-30,000 level, and demand would not be able to be
met. People would be clamoring for such a car. My dad used
to have an Audi TT. New, they were near $40k. It did 0-60
mph in 6.2 seconds, the same as what that Civic was quoted
at. That same Civic EV, produced in the volume of an Audi
TT? $20,000, half the price, for the same acceleration
performance...
This very much reminds me of a people buying houses with a
gorgeous view here. No view, say, $250k; *identical* house
with identical lot with view - $500k. Half for the house,
half for the prestige that you own something few others do.
Why people buy Audi TT instead of 1/2 price Honda with the
same acceleration? Ownership of something very few have.
In honda you're not noticed - every second guy has one, and
you're ordinary, unable to impress. In Audi you feel the king.
You are not, but it doesn't matter. Honda is just too generic.
You'll be surprised how many people think that feel worth
2x of money, and they go for it. Half for the car and half
for how they look in it. *It matters to them*, so nothing
else matters.
Victor
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Hey John , All
I'm still voting everyday from the home puter and Matt tags in at the shop,
so we're clicking our daily clicks.
Just thought I'd throw my two "gents" worth on this matter 8^ )
Cya
Jim Husted
lasmaboyracing.com> wrote:
Hello to All,
In case some of you have slumped off on what was once a daily voting
schedule, you might want to take a fresh look at the Dragtimes.com page.
Though the electrics are still in the 1-2-3 spots, there's a hot high 10
second Vette who's been climbing the ladder fast, and has jumped up
nearly 200 votes today! He's already blown away the Subaru guy that
'was' holding onto the 4th place spot, even though this morning he was a
ways behind that car, and he's now only about 250 votes away from taking
Maniac Mazda's #3 spot. By tomorrow, unless we re-energize our voting
campaign, he could overtake one of the electrics, perhaps all three
before the end of this month! At the same time I've seen this Vette
climb so rapidly, I've noticed the daily votes added to the EVs has
declined, so it's obvious some aren't voting, that once were. This is no
time to rest on our laurels, so let's hit that 'vote' button each day!
Come on, this would be a real feather in our cap to get the electrics
featured as cars of the month, so how 'bout continuing with the voting
support? The Vette is at 1593 votes right now at 8:50 pm west coast
time....he was under 1500 votes earlier today.
Thanks in advance....
See Ya......John Wayland
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From: "mike golub" <>>
I am currently using an NG-3 charger,
What is the finnish voltage / ampreage just before the charger shuts off
water levels
are ok
Do they bubble at the end of the charge?
and those
batteries have never been raped in any form.
well'll be the judge of that :-)
I am
still asking myself, if
I might be responsible for the untimely death of
those batteries .. any
ideas?
what is your max amp pull and what do you curse at ?
steve clunn
Michaela
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We're clicking away here on the east coast as well...
Besides the top three cars there (John's, Matt's and Rod's), let's not
forget Killacycle's on the list now as well! He is up to 107 votes and can
very easily be moved up into the top 50 before the end of the month. You can
vote for more than vehicle per day.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Dragster-Motorcycle-Timeslip-7621.html
Thanks,
Shawn M. Waggoner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Wayland
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Dragtimes.com, let's keep up the votes!
Hello to All,
In case some of you have slumped off on what was once a daily voting
schedule, you might want to take a fresh look at the Dragtimes.com page.
Though the electrics are still in the 1-2-3 spots, there's a hot high 10
second Vette who's been climbing the ladder fast, and has jumped up
nearly 200 votes today! He's already blown away the Subaru guy that
'was' holding onto the 4th place spot, even though this morning he was a
ways behind that car, and he's now only about 250 votes away from taking
Maniac Mazda's #3 spot. By tomorrow, unless we re-energize our voting
campaign, he could overtake one of the electrics, perhaps all three
before the end of this month! At the same time I've seen this Vette
climb so rapidly, I've noticed the daily votes added to the EVs has
declined, so it's obvious some aren't voting, that once were. This is no
time to rest on our laurels, so let's hit that 'vote' button each day!
Come on, this would be a real feather in our cap to get the electrics
featured as cars of the month, so how 'bout continuing with the voting
support? The Vette is at 1593 votes right now at 8:50 pm west coast
time....he was under 1500 votes earlier today.
Thanks in advance....
See Ya......John Wayland
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Subject: Firefly Energy get funding for US government
Firefly Energy Tabbed for R&D Funding in U.S. Defense Bill
U.S. Rep. Ray LaHood says $2.5 million portion of bill could speed
development of advanced battery technology for military
applications
PEORIA, IL - January 24, 2006 - The fiscal year 2006 defense bill
recently signed by President Bush contains an appropriation of $2.5
million for Firefly Energy (www.fireflyenergy.com) to further
develop 3D advanced battery technology for military applications.
The Peoria, IL-based company, which recently received a patent for
its next generation graphite lead acid battery technology based on a
material sciences innovation discovered by Caterpillar Inc., said in
a briefing here that the measure was contained in a bill which will
send more than $280 million in defense funding to Illinois this year.
The funds ultimately will enable Firefly Energy to develop
prototypes of its 3D advance battery to power a variety of military
equipment, giving U.S. troops the technological advantage they need
to accomplish their missions while minimizing casualties.
Firefly Energy's CEO Edward F. Williams said the company believes
its graphite foam lead acid battery "will ultimately have a dual use
in both commercial and military applications. Electrolux was our
first customer and provides a strong commercial volume base. Now we
can set a course for more stringent military applications of our
battery."
High-performance battery could aid
troops
Mil Ovan, senior vice president and the other co-founder, said a
graphite foam lead acid battery, unlike conventional lead acid
batteries, lasts longer, is smaller, weighs significantly less
because of the reduction of lead, sheds heat more effectively and
can be re-charged faster. "This funding should produce a jump start
for our researchers in more quickly developing vital military
battery applications benefiting our troops in the field," he said.
U.S. Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL), who announced the award, congratulated
Firefly Energy "on its excellent work and the progress it has made."
He visited the company's battery technology development center in
2005.
"Business-wise," LaHood added, "Peoria has come a long way in the
past two decades. Firefly embodies the kind of innovative technology
business that we are attracting to our area as we work to spur
future growth and investment in our community."
LaHood said he was pleased that he and U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL),
could secure federal funding to assist in developing the 3-D
advanced battery technology. "I look forward to seeing our nation's
military benefiting from this investment," he concluded.
To help guide the company's defense industry initiatives, Firefly
Energy has developed a strong board of advisors group, including
retired four-star Gen. Wayne Downing and retired three-star Lt. Gen.
Charles Mahan.
Downing said that using Firefly's technology would help the
military's passive technology overwatch initiatives because sensors
could be switched on and used without turning on the tank's main
engine power.
"You can very silently watch the enemy, providing a great advantage
on the battlefield."
About Firefly Energy
Firefly Energy (www.fireflyenergy.com) is a Peoria, Illinois-based
company which has developed a next generation lead acid battery
technology that has the opportunity to address major portions of the
$30 billion worldwide battery marketplace. Firefly's graphite foam-
based battery technology can deliver a unique combination of high
performance, extremely low weight, low cost and, all in a battery
which utilizes the best aspects of lead acid chemistry while
overcoming the corrosive drawbacks of this same chemistry. This
product technology delivers to battery markets a performance
associated with advanced battery chemistries (Nickel Metal Hydride &
Lithium), but for one-fifth the cost, and can be both manufactured
as well as recycled within the existing lead acid battery industry's
vast infrastructure. The company was formed after its technology,
technical founder, and initial seed funds were spun out of
Caterpillar, Inc. (www.cat.com), a Fortune 90 company, in May 2003,
and is headed by co-founders Edward Williams (CEO), Mil Ovan (Senior
VP), and Kurtis Kelley (Chief Scientist). Investors include
Caterpillar (www.cat.com) (NYSE: CAT), BAE Systems
(www.baesystems.com) (London Stock Exchange over the counter symbol:
BAESY), Chicago-area Venture Capital firm KB Partners
(www.kbpartners.com), the State of Illinois' Illinois Finance
Authority, and Electrolux (www.electrolux.com) (SSE: ELUX-B).
# # # #
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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These vehicles are now over 20 years old. I have exeprienced wiring
problems like tight fits that cause abrasion and shorted wires. Inspect the
route into and out of the controller/charging box. Especially check wires
not protected and in contact with painted sheetmetal edges. Lawrence
Rhodes.......
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From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Well crap!
I just started my first electrical fire on my car. My fault one
wire missconnected. At least I caught it before the car/garage burned
down. Fried the cooling fan's power supply, however. The fan that
cools the motor controller. Hope I didn't torch the controller.
Anyone have a schematic/circuit diagram for this so I can replace it?
Guess I can pull power from the 12 volt side and let it run all the
time.
Matt Milliron
1981 Jet Electrica
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Thanks for the tachometer advice. I have ordered one from my local speed shop.
I also heard about "TinyTach" who make tachs for engines without one.
www.tinytach.com
I have still not been able to finish the calibration of the controller. I can
get the WOT LED to light on the controller itself but when I connect the remote
I cannot get it to come on even it I turn the pot up some more. I know the
yellow LED works because I sometimes have the heater on when I start and the
raptor fires up all the LEDs. The vehicle seems sluggish compared to another
EV that I have driven. Once the tach is installed I will have more info.
Thanks
Neil
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:45:01 -0800, you wrote:
>These vehicles are now over 20 years old. I have exeprienced wiring
>problems like tight fits that cause abrasion and shorted wires. Inspect the
>route into and out of the controller/charging box. Especially check wires
>not protected and in contact with painted sheetmetal edges. Lawrence
>Rhodes.......
This wasn't a problem with the car or the wiring. I connected a 24
volt line to a 96 volt source. A people problem.
Matt Milliron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1981 Jet Electrica, Ford Escort
My daughter named it, "Pikachu".
It's yellow and black, electric and
contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
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Possibly, but, as was noted in the other thread on this subject, the
platform for the Wrightspeed is the UK produced Ariel Atom sports car.
There are a couple companies in the US that will import these cars and
one that it trying to become an official reseller.
I totally understand Wayland's preference for a "door slammer" to change
the minds of the average joe, but his distaste for the bare bones design
of the Atom does not change the fact that it is a street legal car.
For that matter, the Zombie is not really a pure door slammer conversion
either. Many of the standard elements of an every-day car are missing.
Blue Meanie is the true high performance "real" car in John's stable of
awesomely lethal ev's. Which I think he recognizes (see recent posts
from John regarding a functional reverse and other particulars of the
new NEDRA rules).
"Street legal" is an enormous category if you take it literally. And
the Wrightspeed X1\Ariel Atom falls within that category.
-Alaric
Tim Clevenger wrote:
According to the state BAR, no smog checks have ever been recorded for the
vehicle, so it's most likely registered as a custom vehicle.
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Here's a video of Top Gear's review of the Ariel Atom (the X1's base):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6514168251893889573&q=ariel+atom
-Alaric
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Wow. His face peels back as his foot goes down. Amazing... if only he
could get 170 mpg and do the same.
Speaking of which, I've posted a Wrightspeed X1 article to my site with
links to a couple of electric Ariel Atom videos...
http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/display.asp?dismode=article&artid=235
Cheers!
-Dave Stensland
http://www.megawattmotorworks.com
On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Alaric G. Weigle wrote:
Here's a video of Top Gear's review of the Ariel Atom (the X1's base):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=6514168251893889573&q=ariel+atom
-Alaric
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It was nice to see someone respond to my POST about the Plug-In-Partners
press conference, kicking off their nation wide campagin... even if it
was just a press rlease from another news paper....
After two days of seamingly nothing but EV Racing, Air Cars, and Worlds
Quickest, or Fastest .....I was thinking we should just change the name
of the EVDL to something like EVRO ( Electric Vehicle Racing Only )
Yah... I know, I've got my butain lighter going here... But I fully
realize how important EV Competition is ....Really I DO ! I love all
aspects of EV Racing.. Just seems like it overtakes the
EVDL somethimes....
Makes me wonder where all the folks who are interested in other aspects
of the EV world are. ??
I love the EVDL and read it cover to cover twice a day....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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You left out some details.
You said you were served with a suit -- was it an actual suit, or a
letter from a lawyer?
You then mentioned that your insurance company paid up (settled, I
assume) -- did this ever go to court?
If not, how is this a critique of the tort system if the system wasn't
even given a chance? Did a jury ever see your videotape?
In the end, it seems you got screwed by the policies of the insurance
industry.
Neon John wrote:
(since some folks can't follow quoting conventions, I can't figure who
to attribute this to so I won't.)
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Well, I have decided to sell my 1992 Civic conversion. This car is a
fantastic conversion and optimizes what can be done with lead acid and a
DC motor. Details are listed in the trading post at
http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/
I've been putting 86 miles a day on this car commuting 43 miles to work,
recharging, and returning home. The battery heaters enable me to make
this commute even in sub zero weather.
I'd really like to sell this to someone on the list who will post
occasionally how it is doing. The car requires little maintenance, I
check the water in the batteries and tighten the cables once a month.
Other than continually tinkering with it, making 'improvements' it has
needed almost no work. I have learned a lot from this car. I strongly
recommend that a person interested in converting and EV buy a used one
first to learn how all the systems work together.
It is now is good working condition and is ready to drive (I'm still
commuting with it).
I'm selling the car to get money to either purchase or build an EV with
advanced batteries.
Details are on the trading post.
Thanks for you consideration,
Lynn
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My lugs are crimped on,
Torque is 95-105
Stack goes: Terminal, Lug, washer, Bellville washer, washer, nut
Nothing special used other than cleaning off any obvious acid once a
month when I do battery maintenance.
Lynn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Phil Marino
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Which Trojan Battery Posts are good for EVs, and which ones
are bad?
>From: "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: Which Trojan Battery Posts are good for EVs, and which
>ones are bad?
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:30:00 -0700
>
>
>T875's with LPT always used the torque wrench, check and retorqued
>about once a month, 16,000 miles, about a year, Normal amp less than
>200, occasional draw 400 amps for maybe 5 seconds going up a hill,
>never had any problems.
>
That sounds encouraging.
What torque are you using?
And, what kind of terminals - are they crimped on lugs ?
Are you using belleville washers, or anything special?
Phil
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Hi Steven , I did see the Plug in partners , this is unbelievable . A group
of people really doing something . Ya this is big news . Kind of like
everybody putting out plugs for EV's even though there are none. Is there
any way of copying this , I'd like to show or get EVTV to put in on the cd
. I sent the
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From: "Steven Lough"
It was nice to see someone respond to my POST about the Plug-In-Partners
press conference, kicking off their nation wide campagin... even if it was
just a press rlease from another news paper....
After two days of seamingly nothing but EV Racing,
Well I was thinking if didn't see that much , but as this was my first time
doing anything like that , and I kind of felt like I did when I got my first
EV going . Just wanted to tell the word.
Air Cars, and Worlds
Quickest, or Fastest .....I was thinking we should just change the name of
the EVDL to something like EVRO ( Electric Vehicle Racing Only )
Well I got to tell ya I didn't even look a the air car stuff , but I got no
problem with it ,. I saw Mat the other day , and we talked about Posting
stuff about BBB , It wouldn't take much it get us to be quite , not to may
comments about any of the post. No saying any more would be just more time
to work on the cars. I often think after reading one of John's or other
posters post about the Races that I should e mail him or the list and say
how much I enjoyed it but I don't . I figure they know this , I may go on
and on , but I can also be quite , proof for this is , as far as my wife
knows I just went to one of those
ev events , she has just had it with hearing about EV's , I done wore her
out early and me walking around with that Ev grin just starts trouble. So
when I say " I saw "Tide of Positive Change" and almost called my wife to
see it , you should know that no EV drag race video would ever get me to do
that. Yes a whole city talking about plug in ev's is much bigger news that
BBB , . I didn't see any way to get ahold of them.
Steve Clunn
The video telecast is LONG, but any one and every one who has been
thinking of energy independence, or global warming, or Energy Security, (
or EVs and Plug-in Hybrids) should "click" and watch this Web-Cast
The video telecast is LONG, but any one and every one who has been
thinking of energy independence, or global warming, or Energy Security, (
or EVs and Plug-in Hybrids) should "click" and watch this Web-Cast
And JOIN the Tide of Positive Change...
Here is the LINK: http://www.connectlive.com/events/austinenergy/
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Hello Steven
Well I don't really know where to start here. I'm probably 50-50 on motors
split between daily and race motors I've done. Only two have run so far and
those being the race ones, minus some armature work. I spend 3 to 4 hours here
a day reading, posting, and answering private emails. I have people support
other busineses and then ask me how to use or modify. Since Woodburn I've been
cursed with what seems an almost cosmic hatred toward me for working on EV
motors. I could fill 14 pages of crap that has gone wrong in one way or
another. In fact it has seemed that every single EV job I've done has had some
sort of horror story behind it. Right now I've been waiting on an armature to
get balanced for Jeff's motor for almost 2 weeks as they are moving. With all
this going on the only real fun thing for me is in being able to hoot about a
motor I've built or to root on the other guys. I use this and feed off the
energy to help me fuel the flame that keeps me involved a!
nd
motivated to continue. I wonder how many sponsors will continue to throw
their hard pressed time and money if it isn't even supported by those at the
EVDL. Anyway I just thought I'd share how well your wet towel has worked to
put out a little flame here.
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It was nice to see someone respond to my POST about the Plug-In-Partners
press conference, kicking off their nation wide campagin... even if it
was just a press rlease from another news paper....
After two days of seamingly nothing but EV Racing, Air Cars, and Worlds
Quickest, or Fastest .....I was thinking we should just change the name
of the EVDL to something like EVRO ( Electric Vehicle Racing Only )
Yah... I know, I've got my butain lighter going here... But I fully
realize how important EV Competition is ....Really I DO ! I love all
aspects of EV Racing.. Just seems like it overtakes the
EVDL somethimes....
Makes me wonder where all the folks who are interested in other aspects
of the EV world are. ??
I love the EVDL and read it cover to cover twice a day....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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The facility guys asked me if I wanted a bunch of UPS batteries they pulled
and of course I said yes. They are great hobby sized batteries and useful
for stringing together to make a quick DC power supply for testing stuff.
They also might work OK as replacements in a scooter, ebike or PowerWheels.
If you are in the Portland area and are interested in 5 or 10 or 20 get in
touch with me. I have over 60 of them, and can't see keeping more then ten
or so around for myself. I mostly took them because it makes the facilities
guys feel good to give stuff too me and I want to encourage the behavior :-)
They are Portlac PXL12072 rated at 7.2ahr at 20 hour rate. Here are a
couple of links.
http://www.gsbattery.com/sla/pxl/#PXL12072
http://www.batterywholesale.com/battery-store/proddetail.html?prodID=2274
damon
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:51:35 -0800, Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You left out some details.
>
>You said you were served with a suit -- was it an actual suit, or a
>letter from a lawyer?
Yes, a suit. I would have said "letter" if had been.
>
>You then mentioned that your insurance company paid up (settled, I
>assume) -- did this ever go to court?
Of course not. Very few suits go to court. In most cases, both sides
rattle sabers and maybe take some depositions and settle out of court.
In this instance depositions weren't even taken.
>If not, how is this a critique of the tort system if the system wasn't
>even given a chance? Did a jury ever see your videotape?
A lawyer client for whom I did engineering consulting once said, and I
suggest you take this to heart: "In every lawsuit there are 4 parties,
the plaintiff, the defendant and the two lawyers. There are two
losers and two winners. The lawyers never lose."
As a defendant, the very first brush one has with the legal system is
the beginning of losing, regardless of what a jury says. From the
very first brush the defendant has to pay legal retainers, expert
fees, investigator fees, court reporter fees, filing fees and numerous
other fees. These are out of pocket costs, regardless of the outcome
in most cases.
It is rare indeed in mundane, run of the mill cases for costs to be
awarded either way. The judge almost always orders each side to pay
its own costs. Only when the evidence points to flagrant abuse does
one side get its costs paid by the other. This is experience from
witnessing or participating as an expert in dozens of cases.
Even if the judge tosses the case as frivolous at the first hearing,
the defendant is still out part of the retainer. A skilled lawyer
will eat up most of that retainer preparing the first response and
conducting sufficient investigations for the response.
The tort system is badly broken but I confess that I don't know the
answers. Eliminating contingency fees would be a good start.
Requiring a filing bond on the plaintiff would be another. Provisions
would have to be made for people who can't afford the system. The
tort system is supposed to be the civilized alternative to just duking
it out. Unfortunately it doesn't do that anymore. People without
several tens of thousands of dollars of loose change effectively are
excluded from the system.
A major part of the problem is that judges have shirked their
responsibilities. They're supposed to be the gatekeepers who keep the
frivolous crap out of the system. Two problems. Most judges are
elected and all are lawyers before and after their terms. They don't
want to risk re-election and they don't want to kill the goose that
lays their golden eggs.
I've spent a lot of time chatting with my lawyer-clients about this.
Everyone agrees things are out of control but no one wants to take the
first step at fixing things. Or to losing cases to other lawyers.
I'm not so sure the old "duke it out in the ring" system might not
have been better.
The other problem is, of course, the lack of personal responsibility
in today's society. Everyone is looking for the free lunch and nobody
wants to take responsibility for their own actions. Gotta blame
someone else.
>
>In the end, it seems you got screwed by the policies of the insurance
>industry.
To an extent. I could have told the insurance company not to settle
and to try the case. Had I done that, the insurance company would
only have been liable for what they'd offered to settle. If I'd
subsequently lost a half million judgment, then I'd have been liable
for everything above the agreed settlement amount.
The problem is that many, too many insurance companies make the short
term calculus that it is cheaper to pay the pests to go away than to
litigate. The long term result is that anyone who files can usually
get something. So can the lawyers who make journeyman wages
prosecuting these frivolous suits.
One other thought. A first step in reversing this problem is to
never, ever, no matter what, vote for a lawyer for office. Vote third
party or write in someone in lieu of voting for any lawyer. Putting a
lawyer in the statehouse or in DC is like putting a very hungry fox in
the henhouse.
John
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Cleveland, Occupied TN
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