EV Digest 5153
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Heatsink sought for Curtis 1221c
by Mark Freidberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: 24 volt charger
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Hybrid efficiency, was: Increasing Range
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Hybrid Efficiency vs Barbeque Sauce
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Riding the White Zombie and other EVents (long)
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Killacycle nearly in the top 10
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by Osmo Sarin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Riding the White Zombie and other EVents (long)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: Hybrid efficiency, was: Increasing Range
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EV conversions available
by Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) end for the old ICE/to clutch or not to clutch
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EV conversions available
by "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: EV conversions available
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Urba Trike
by Brad Sagowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
by Mike Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: Riding the White Zombie and other EVents (long)
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EV conversions available
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) re:new kits
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Armature Air Gap effects
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: new kits
by "Reinkens, Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Fw: 1964 Datsun NL-320 (sunset / parkside)
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) RE: new kits
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) "by the early years of the next decade large lithium-ion batteries could
be sold for a few hundred dollars." - The Australian
by Mike Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: windy night in Kingston
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
I'm seeking a heatsink for a new Curtis 1221c controller for my 1980 Jet
Electra Van.
I ended up buying the new 1221c because the existing 1221c is a unit that was
reconditioned over 11 years ago and likely has not had adequate cooling in all
that time. It has been overheating while I have owned the van since last year
and who knows when the Curtis will decide to fail.
Does anyone have a heatsink that would work? What dimensions are best (if
any)? I do have the option of moving the controller to another location in the
van which would provide plenty of space for an oversized heatsink if necessary
or desirable.
I checked with KTA services and they are working on getting some but it will
be a couple months. I also see some heatsinks like these on ebay but don't know
whether they are suitable:
http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7587949317&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
Mark Freidberg
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On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:23:30PM -0800, Nick Austin wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 07:47:04PM -0600, Ryan Stotts wrote:
> > Is there a battery on the verge of being available? Will Valence's
> > products be on the market this year?
>
> Here is an example of a Solectria Force powered by Valence Liion batteries.
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/602.html
>
Just a fallow up on this.
It looks like Stephen Taylor ended up paying $2,500 each for his group 27
Valence Liions.
I'm not sure if he is on this list, but he is on the solectria_ev list.
Thanks!
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This particular vehicle is very simple. It only has a 1200 cc motor stock
so while not as light as a 1200 coupe it is fairly light and I suspect just
about any simular width differential would fit. Their trannys even had a
dipstick in the passenger compartment for checking the oil level. How many
cars have that today. I wouldn't worry about parts. There are many owners
clubs that have resources. Subaru 360's even have parts distribution.
Older cars are very simple & don't forget when you take the ICE out of the
car most of the problems vanish with it. Lawrence Rhodes.........
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From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
Lawrence,
One big drawback of getting a rare car, is the vitual absence
of any spare parts. May be better to start with a more common
car if you don't want to shell out serious money every time
you need a part....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:31 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; SFEVA
Subject: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Arcane_autos/ I lurk this list and have
found
many neat deals. Arcane autos has the best scroungers around. They love
old cars and find many. This 1964 Sport Truck by Datsun is one. It if
goes
for a thousand bucks it's a steal. LR......
From: "facelnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another Hot Lead
Datsun "Sports Truck" available on CL SF. These were built only 2
years in very small numbers. Real cute pickup bed is integral with
cab. I spoke with the seller and he sounds very nice and straight up.
I think something around 1k would buy this.
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/130721578.html
I've got plenty to keep me busy or I would grab the Datsun and the
Super Snipe too!
Nice to see the sun Dale, ain't it?
Cheers, Alan
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personal experience more to the point, I tried to use one of my DeWalt
fast chargers to charge a C cell 12 volt nom pack that I'd made up for
another application. Didn't work very well. The pack got too hot to
touch and the charger was still crankin' out the amps. At least with
the algorithm the DeWalt charger uses, NiMH batteries don't play well.
I suppose I'll get one of the RC hobby fast chargers capable of doing
12 volt packs. Either that or build one.
I agree with earlier comments, NiCads are much better in the high
current environment of a cordless tool. I once tried a
lashed-together 18 volt pack to see if a conversion would be feasible.
The pack ran my drill OK, though for not nearly as long. It would not
run the circle saw with enough power to accomplish anything. Back to
NiCads.
John
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:30:11 -0500, M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Jody Dewey wrote:
>> I recently had a black and decker battery pack for my 18V drill
>> reloaded with NimH batteries instead of NiCad batteries.
>> My charger won't work with it now. I know I can use the NiCad power
>> source to charge the NimH pack but eventually it will kill the pack.
>
>Lee Hart answered:
>> The charging characteristics of nimh and nicad are so similar that you
>> can use the nicad charger. The problem is that the nicad charger
>> probably doesn't shut off when the battery is full -- it just keeps
>> right on charging anyway. Nicads can tolerate this with a modest loss of
>> life. Nimh will be ruined.
>
>IT IS MUCH WORSE THAN THAT. The wrong end-of-charge profile and/or inadequate
>cooling has lead to disaster.
> http://www.autoauditorium.com/ATdS_Report_1997.html#Report50
> http://www.autoauditorium.com/ATdS_Report_1997.html#Report68
>
>Improperly charging NiMH cells can cause them to go into "thermal runaway"
>which will cause outgasing and overheating and that can lead to fire. There is
>a lot of things people need to LEARN ABOUT the advanced chemistry batteries
>BEFORE they attempt to design chargers and charging profiles. The evidence is
>that is not a project for the uneducated amateur! (LiIon also has some
>unfortunate failure modes.)
>
>Lee has said many times that batteries don't die, they are murdered. All too
>true. And sometimes they also take the rest of the project with them.
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:30:55 -0800, Zack Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>In the time I've been on this list I've seen Nick post this kind of argument
>before, i.e. where he'll get seemingly solid numbers from seemingly solid
>sources, and then draw a simple conclusion that seems to answer or refute
>the argument of the person he replied to.
>
>But I never see a reply from anyone, not the person Nick responded to or
>anyone else, confirming or refuting Nick's analysis.
The reason I don't is that responding to Nick beyond one or two rounds
to present some fact is futile, like trying to teach a pig to sing. I
post my information for the benefit of others and then let him have
the last word, as he so seems to need.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:09:13 -0700 (MST), "Peter VanDerWal"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yeah, a gimmick. One of the oddest cars made in recent years with
>> ugliness second only to maybe an Aztec. the fact is, there was about
>> as much interest in the marketplace for that car as there is for BEVs.
>
>That's probably a true statement....given the fact that the dealers in
>california alone had orders for THOUSANDS of BEV's that the manufacturers
>refused to aknowledge, and the fact that the dealers (at least in AZ)
>can't keep a hybrid on the lot since they are all sold months before they
>arrive.
Minor correction, Peter. They had either names on waiting lists or
maybe deposits in some cases. NADA reports that conversion from
waiting lists to sales runs no more than 2%, even for the hotest cars.
I don't recall the numbers for deposit lists but they're not much
higher.
THAT is what the car manufactures respond to. Believe it or not, they
actually know their business better than any sidelines zealot critic.
No, I don't have a handy web source to point to. I'm still a member
of NADA from when I traded a few used cars and I still get their
literature. I'm sure that if you look around you can find the
statistics on the web.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Your description of your ride in that bitch increases my
desire to ride it.
I take it that you proably didn't go too far above the speed
limit due to cops and stuff, but even going from 0-60 in the
Zombie, with a wheel lift a few inches off the ground, would
make most start bawling for their mommy. 100 foot streeks of
rubber is not expected by the casual observer from an
electric car.
I expect that riding in one must be like riding in a remote
controlled electric toy car, only much faster, and much more
'interactive'. I can only imagine what it is like to
actually drive such a thing.
There isn't much that can match the Zombie's 60 foot time,
and cars or bikes that have similar 60 foot times are
usually pulling 10s in the 1/4. A testament to the Torque of
Zeus only a series DC electric motor can properly provide,
at 0 rpm where you want it. It would be nice if someone
would make a 4WD EV with Zombie's setup, or even better,
ditch the Siamese 8" for a Siamese 9". That launch would be
nuts.
Can't wait to meet John and Tim at the High Voltage
Nationals. In the meantime, don't drop the wrench. <g>
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Howdy Folks
I went to the Dragtimes.com site intending to vote for the Killacycle in
addition to voting for the other three EVs there.
I found the Killacycle page at Dragtimes somewhat confusing as it didn't
show a photo of the bike which actually set the record back in 2000, but the
bike which was called the "Megacycle" then apparently re-named the
"Killacycle II". I looked a little closer and noticed another discrepancy in
the description of the bike. It mentions having a Zilla 2K, which was
unavailable when the record was set.
Anyway... I went to the Killacycle.com site to verify that I was not
mistaken. It was then that what may have been seen as simple mistakes seem
to take on the look of re-writing history :-0
The site has gone thru a complete redesign and most of the content including
all references to the original Killacycle (with the exception of a few dozen
mixed photos) has been removed.
On the main page it shows the "Killacycle II" (formerly known as the
Megacycle) and it is represented as being the record holder.
This is what it says-
"The Killacycle II-The World's Quickest Electric Motorcycle
1/4 mile drag-9.450 seconds @ 152.07 mph"
Well... I may have been born at night, but not last night.
This "fact sheet" attributes the record to the bike described as the
"Killacycle II", which is not the record holder-
http://www.killacycle.com/pages/factsheet.html
This page actually mixes the specs up between the two machines (Zilla 2K
with TMF batteries, both not used at the same time or on the same bike
AFAIK)-
http://www.killacycle.com/pages/specs_page.html
This page has a plea for TMF batteries-
http://www.killacycle.com/pages/new_page.html
Then here is the (new?) TMF battery pack?-
http://www.killacycle.com/pages/p_pages/p_batterypack.html
I know for a fact that the "Killacycle II" never even came close to a record
and not only popped those SVR-14 batteries from the start, it also had
severe handling problems (I can vouch for that because I was standing
directly behind the bleach box when the bike ran at Woodburn '02 and watched
it run repeatedly, it would torque severely to the left with the power
cranked up and the rider would have to back off).
I found the first mention of the 9.450 @ 152.07 run (10/8/00) here-
http://web.archive.org/web/20001008185623/http://www.killacycle.com/
Lots of photos of the "new world record holder" (the original Killacycle)
here-
http://web.archive.org/web/20010417000006/www.killacycle.com/pictures.html
Here is the build page for the Megacycle (now known as the "Killacycle II",
not the record-holding bike)-
http://web.archive.org/web/20021209054851/killacycle.com/MegaCycle.htm
I didn't vote for the Killacycle and won't be voting for it due to this
(mystery to me as to why) misrepresentation.
Maybe Bill can explain this.
I don't get it unless it's a play for sponsors.
The original bike and it's record speak for themselves. Why would you need
to misrepresent it?
...
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
My EV and RE Project Pages-
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links-
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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This may be a very critical year to Valence, financially. They are very
much dependent on a single wealthy investor and his decisions. I hope
he continues financing the company, or better, they find new investors.
Valence´s price is about twice the Kokam´s, but also the claimed cycle
life is much better: 2000 vs 500. This would make Valence cheaper.
What do you think, is the difference in the cycle life real, or are
they just using different disharge rates etc.?
Osmo Sarin
6.2.2006 kello 03:47, Ryan Stotts kirjoitti:
Is there a battery on the verge of being available? Will Valence's
products be on the market this year?
Has anyone done any math on AC Propulsion's method of using existing
off the shelf, smaller sized batteries? Is it economical? How
difficult would it be to make a BMS to handle thousands of AA
batteries for instance vs's ~29, 12 volt lithium's?
Just how difficult is it to make a BMS that can work with an size Li
battery and any amount of them? Does someone on this list have the
ability to make it? How much $$$ do you need for motivation?
http://www.powerstream.com/LLLmanage.htm
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In a message dated 2/6/06 12:22:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< Subj: Re: Riding the White Zombie and other EVents (long)
Date: 2/6/06 12:22:11 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Westlund)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Your description of your ride in that bitch increases my
desire to ride it.
I take it that you proably didn't go too far above the speed
limit due to cops and stuff, but even going from 0-60 in the
Zombie, with a wheel lift a few inches off the ground, would
make most start bawling for their mommy. 100 foot streeks of
rubber is not expected by the casual observer from an
electric car.
I expect that riding in one must be like riding in a remote
controlled electric toy car, only much faster, and much more
'interactive'. I can only imagine what it is like to
actually drive such a thing.
There isn't much that can match the Zombie's 60 foot time,
and cars or bikes that have similar 60 foot times are
usually pulling 10s in the 1/4. A testament to the Torque of
Zeus only a series DC electric motor can properly provide,
at 0 rpm where you want it. It would be nice if someone
would make a 4WD EV with Zombie's setup, or even better,
ditch the Siamese 8" for a Siamese 9". That launch would be
nuts >>John you will need this to be nhra legal
Theres a 72 510 drag car for sale in Phoenix,complete full cage legal for at
least 10 seconds with all the good stuff.$7000 buys this no rust car.includes
extra parts car.D Berube
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--- Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This made me think of the whole phrase "Hydrogen
> Fuel Cell electric
> vehicle." Hydrogen is considerd an energy carrier
> because we transfer
> energy with it by putting energy into creating it at
> the other end, but
> we use it as a fuel, which increases the worlds CO2
> output, the canery
> in the garage still dies.
>
> So we end up with CO2 emmisions at the point of
> generation AND at the
> point of use.
how do you figure ?
Hydrogen fuel cells do not have CO2 as a local
emission. The 'exhaust' of a hydrogen fuel cell is
slightly oxygen depleted air, and pure water. Nothing
else.
so maybe the canary in your (incredibly well sealed)
garage still eventually dies, but it is from oxygen
depletion NOT from CO2 poisoning.
~fortunat
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I ran across this today:
http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11
Does anyone have any experience with these?
Here we have an EV for about $30,000. How do these compare to the EV1
for example? If comparable, why aren't they selling like crazy, or are
they? Is the concern that it's a used vehicle and it's too much for
used? Would it be too much for new?
Thanks.
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RJ ( soon to be EV driver ) and I pulled the engine out of the Hyinda and
the next day I got a call that the 11 " motor that Paul (
www.worldclassexotics.com ) ordered ( after seeing my truck do the
autocross) was in . As both the auto recycling and the shipping company
where both north of town I descided to take the old gas engine and drop it
off then swing by and pick up the 11 net gain motor. The recycling place has
a crane with a big magnet , he hangs it over the back of the truck and the
old gas engine jump a few inches to the big magnet . The crane operator must
have been feeling good , as he swong the crane around and gave the old gas
engine a fling into a pile of old engines . Would have been a great video
shot , "Just pull that gas engine out and throw it as far as you can" . Get
to see the new wiight of the race truck 3320 lbs with me in it . Then picked
up the net gain 11 and talked to the people there , who have now seen more
electric motors pass by than they can remember. So I'm heading back and
getting near the road where the bearing shop is . I could stop and pick up a
gear with taper lock to make the hub . I get in the trun lane . " The hub
form that racing clutch that didn't fit the spline of the race truck I
switched out just happens to fit the Hynday tranny spline " I switch lanes ,
" It feels more like a regular car with a clutch " back in trun lane , "
that little clutch is not going to take the toqure or a 9" impluse and RJ
seems to like to brun the tires , switch lanes again, " his wife is the one
driving the car so I should be thinking about that" back in trun lane. " It
will be much easyer to make the hub like I did on the race truck with the
spline just welded to a 1 1/8 coupler a $10 peice" . I go straight, the
light made me descide.
Steve Clunn
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If any one is interested. I have an unassembled kit for sale that the 1929
Mercedes Gazelle is based on. It is a Bradley Baron. See my website for more
details:
www.spaces.msn.com/members/dbd3<http://www.spaces.msn.com/members/dbd3> Be
sure to check the past month's archives for complete background. I also have
the modified/stretched VW Beetle chassis that goes with this kit. "Stretched"
to accommodate the long hood of this kit. Also comes with a remanufactured
1600 cc VW Beetle engine. Reasonable offers accepted. Location: Central NY
State-near Syracuse. You would be required to pick it up.
Don Davidson
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From: Joel Shellman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: EV conversions available
I ran across this today:
http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11<http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11>
Does anyone have any experience with these?
Here we have an EV for about $30,000. How do these compare to the EV1
for example? If comparable, why aren't they selling like crazy, or are
they? Is the concern that it's a used vehicle and it's too much for
used? Would it be too much for new?
Thanks.
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Ask them if you can contact existing customers. This may simply be pictures
of the ICE versions and no electric ones exist. 4-6 weeks delivery for a
customized conversion is pretty incredible!
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joel Shellman
Sent: February 6, 2006 6:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EV conversions available
I ran across this today:
http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11
Does anyone have any experience with these?
Here we have an EV for about $30,000. How do these compare to the EV1 for
example? If comparable, why aren't they selling like crazy, or are they? Is
the concern that it's a used vehicle and it's too much for used? Would it be
too much for new?
Thanks.
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I'm looking for a summer time EV. Something cheap (relatively) and
simple. This:
http://www.rqriley.com/u-trike.htm
looks like its fits the bill. I commute 17 miles each way a day to
work. I was wondering if I build this with the following how it would
preform.
6.7"ADC motor (unless you think an 8" would be better)
10 12V Optima Batteries
Curtis 1221C controller
The motor to rear end looks fairly straight forward. Interested in
everyones opinions.
Brad
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Was going to tell you all that Makita Tools, is now offering Li-Ion
tools as well as Milwaukee. They are smaller packs, and the Ad-Copy
reads..."18V power, 12V weight"
But in looking at Milwaukee's Web Site, caught THIS:
www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/news.nsf/vwPressReleases/05B7EA8847B096A48625710A006F210D?OpenDocument
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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Awesome! Don't miss the video link at the bottom for a preview of the show.
-Mike
On 2/6/06, Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Was going to tell you all that Makita Tools, is now offering Li-Ion
> tools as well as Milwaukee. They are smaller packs, and the Ad-Copy
> reads..."18V power, 12V weight"
>
> But in looking at Milwaukee's Web Site, caught THIS:
>
> www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/news.nsf/vwPressReleases/05B7EA8847B096A48625710A006F210D?OpenDocument
>
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
>
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For those who want a clickable link:
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/news.nsf/vwPressReleases/05B7EA8847B096A48625710A006F210D?OpenDocument
For a bit of the Monster Garage video advert, go to the bottom to the "Click
here" link - you know it's for real when you see the Madman's shiny pate!
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Going to 4WD might not be faster. AWD is faster for the 1st fraction
of a second, but the acceleration is equal once the RWD car is doing
a wheelie. Then, for the rest of the run, the AWD car has about a 10%
weight penalty, and extra drag from the extra seals and gears. You'll
see that many AWD cars have a great 0-60 mph time, but will be slower
in the 1/4, than RWD cars of the same power/weight.
What the Zombie really needs is a high power Lion or high power Nimh
pack, then it would have twice the power per kg of battery. Same
weight, twice the power, this is not your father's citicar!
When I did the design trades for choosing a donor car, it was tough
to justify AWD even for racing, except for low speed (autocross) or
slippery surfaces. RWD turns out to be a pretty good compromise, and
there are good reasons why most paved-surface racecars are RWD.
--- John Westlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> There isn't much that can match the Zombie's 60 foot time,
> and cars or bikes that have similar 60 foot times are
> usually pulling 10s in the 1/4. A testament to the Torque of
> Zeus only a series DC electric motor can properly provide,
> at 0 rpm where you want it. It would be nice if someone
> would make a 4WD EV with Zombie's setup, or even better,
> ditch the Siamese 8" for a Siamese 9". That launch would be
> nuts.
> ...
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The blue Porsche 911 and antique car look like ones Steve Clunn
(<http://www.grassrootsev.com>) built.
--- Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I ran across this today:
> http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these?
>
> Here we have an EV for about $30,000. How do these compare to the
> EV1
> for example? If comparable, why aren't they selling like crazy, or
> are
> they? Is the concern that it's a used vehicle and it's too much for
> used? Would it be too much for new?
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The Focus is on the short list and it has the plus of
using the same adapter plate as the Miata. I have
found that most of the small motors from Ford and
Mazda have most of the same holes in common. That
would at least reduce the number of adapters I would
need to stock.
Gadget
Doug wrote:
> I would like an EV version of the Ford Focus
hatchback, or some other
> small hatchback.
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
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At 07:31 AM 2/5/2006, you wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Arcane_autos/ I lurk this list and
have found many neat deals. Arcane autos has the best scroungers
around. They love old cars and find many. This 1964 Sport Truck by
Datsun is one. It if goes for a thousand bucks it's a steal. LR......
From: "facelnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another Hot Lead
Datsun "Sports Truck" available on CL SF. These were built only 2
years in very small numbers. Real cute pickup bed is integral with
cab. I spoke with the seller and he sounds very nice and straight up.
I think something around 1k would buy this.
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/130721578.html
I've got plenty to keep me busy or I would grab the Datsun and the
Super Snipe too!
We recoommend against converting orphans, and these are REALLY
orphans. What happens if you need clutch parts, or brake parts, or
body parts, and they are made out of unobtainium? We had a hard time
finding some trim parts (light lenses, etc.) for a '80's Rabbit.
Anything that was originallly built in small numbers is a huge
risk. If it is also something like a Renault that has no current
dealer presence here, it's a double risk. If the original
manufacturer is completely defunct, it's a triple threat.
Go there only if you are a masochist.
Mike Brown
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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It's not a straight swap of speed for torque.
Larger air gaps mean lower efficiency.
The reason the motor spins faster is because it is building up less Back
EMF (lower magnetic flux).
There are better ways to vary the torque/speed relationship without
loosing efficency. For example, changing the guage and number of
windings.
One of the problems with getting a small air gap is that the armature
expands when spinning. Higher RPM equals more expansion.
If the armature isn't perfectly ballanced you might end up with some
flex/whipping.
You also have to take into account the possibility of foriegn objects
getting into the air gap (dirt, sand, leaves, etc.)
So yes, tighter tollerances make a more efficient motor, but it might end
up being less reliable since it has less tollerance for vibration, foreign
objects, etc.
> I've been trying to learn more about the effects of armature air gap on DC
> motors. Most of the resources that I've found talk about the torque/speed
> relationship. Specifically in a Permanent Magnet motor, the smaller the
> armature air gap, the greater the torque, at the cost of lost speed.
> Likewise the larger the armature air gap, the greater the speed, at the
> cost of lost torque. Seems like a simple trade off. If you want speed,
> large gap. If you want torque, small gap.
> One source I found says that air gap should be as small as possible, only
> large enough so that the armature doesn't rub. It talks about the high
> reluctance of air in the gap. It takes more energy to push magnetic flux
> through the air than steel. So is that a universal rule? Would most
> motors benefit from a small air gap? Are air gaps typically on the high
> side do to mass production, etc? It's just like building up an ICE
> engine. Tighter tolerances for high performance. Amazing how many
> similarities you can draw to ICE powertrains. I do think I heard
> somewhere that too tight an air gap will cause air drag? But aside from
> that, tighter better? Or is just a place for experimentation?
> Either way, I'll be trying it once the weather breaks and I get back in
> the garage.
>
>
> Darin Gilbert
> BadFishRacing
>
>
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Yea this is even better than my STill clips I have!!
This a must see clip of Mg.
Madman
We are hearing April some time for the real showing of the segment.
Man this is getting to be a long hang time for me.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
> For those who want a clickable link:
>
>
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/news.nsf/vwPressReleases/05B7EA8847B096A48625710A006F210D?OpenDocument
>
> For a bit of the Monster Garage video advert, go to the bottom to the
"Click
> here" link - you know it's for real when you see the Madman's shiny pate!
>
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Ford Focus? How about this kit car that resembles the GT-40?
(http://www.lonestarclassics.com/) The focus front clip gets used as the
rear. I know they built at least one prototype with Electric (DC) drive.
I have a pic of the rolling frame with batts/drive.
My next commuter car will be a Focus and possibly transition into their
LS40 once I see the kit in person. I might make a fun and visually
attractive EV.
Kirk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Reverend Gadget
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: re:new kits
The Focus is on the short list and it has the plus of
using the same adapter plate as the Miata. I have
found that most of the small motors from Ford and
Mazda have most of the same holes in common. That
would at least reduce the number of adapters I would
need to stock.
Gadget
Doug wrote:
> I would like an EV version of the Ford Focus
hatchback, or some other
> small hatchback.
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
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"Davis, Jeff - SMMC-SF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>This is the buy that owns the
truck. 1500 firm.
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From: "Davis, Jeff - SMMC-SF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Lawrence Rhodes'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: 1964 Datsun NL-320 (sunset / parkside)
Yes, the price is $1500 firm
Thanks
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From: Lawrence Rhodes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 1964 Datsun NL-320 (sunset / parkside)
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The problem with making a car that resembles a supercar or a famous hotrod
design is that people in general will be disappointed if it doesn't then
perform like one. And that means larger more expensive components and
expensive batteries, which narrows your market to those willing to pay for
it. There are many characteristics that seem to be common among the vast
majority of people who are interested in electric vehicles, as I've seen
from going to events and meeting EV enthusiasts over the years. Though
there are quite a few exceptions on this list, I've found that having lots
of extra money isn't among them.
It might be a worthwhile addition to a product line, but probably not wise
from a business angle until you've got a few more normal offerings in the
selection.
--chris
On Mon, February 6, 2006 1:28 pm, Reinkens, Kirk said:
> Ford Focus? How about this kit car that resembles the GT-40?
>
> (http://www.lonestarclassics.com/) The focus front clip gets used as the
> rear. I know they built at least one prototype with Electric (DC) drive.
> I have a pic of the rolling frame with batts/drive.
>
> My next commuter car will be a Focus and possibly transition into their
> LS40 once I see the kit in person. I might make a fun and visually
> attractive EV.
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Reverend Gadget
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: re:new kits
>
> The Focus is on the short list and it has the plus of
> using the same adapter plate as the Miata. I have
> found that most of the small motors from Ford and
> Mazda have most of the same holes in common. That
> would at least reduce the number of adapters I would
> need to stock.
>
> Gadget
>
> Doug wrote:
>
>> I would like an EV version of the Ford Focus
> hatchback, or some other
>> small hatchback.
>
>
>
> visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
> leftcoastconversions.com
>
>
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18028900%5E36375,00.html
Notable quote:
"The nickel-metal-hydride batteries seen in hybrids today sell for around
$US2500. If the project goes well, the partners think that by the early
years of the next decade large lithium-ion batteries could be sold for a few
hundred dollars."
-Mike
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By the way we are on the grid as off late Saturday night..
But yea with all my toys... roughing it is not really hard for me.
We only ran the Genny for about 5 hours, I have about 30 hours of fridge and
freezer power in my AGM pack in the breeze way here.
Clearly Bruce Sherry and I did not get to run the MK3 s while doing a 100
amp recharge cycle... it was VERY dark and cold over at the shop.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: windy night in Kingston
>
> So Rich... You are getting a quick lesson as to how to live off-grid are
ya?
> :^D
>
> At least you have some batteries and inverters. Hope ya got enough fuel
for
> the gensets. :^0
>
> I am betting that you are having fun with this.
>
> At least you don't really need refrigeration, how about the obvious fix?
> Take the stuff that needs to be cold outside.
>
> Refrigeration tends to be one of the larger loads an efficient off-grid
> system has to handle.
> Don't waste you precious juice on that. Unplug those fridges and put the
> stuff outside. (deep freezes or frozen goods are different story, have a
> Superbowl party with them :^D )
>
> Sounds like you are in for a few interesting days :^D
>
> Good Luck!
> Roy
>
>
>
> Madman wrote:
> >Guys I won't be making it.
> >I am on inverter power and I had to bypass my APC to get this PC lit up.
> >I have about 2 Kwhr left in the old AGM.
> >
> >Up here in North Kitsap its getting Grimm, The Grid will be out for days.
I
> >have Generators and my F25 to keep the house Fridge cool and the Deep
free
> >solid.
> >But .....
> >The Grid powered lightning show last night at 12:06 am and again at about
3
> >amp was impressive, many read dozzens of large trees down across the big
> >feeders. We drove under about 6 trees this morning just hanging on the
Big
> >wires and Phone lines. What a mess.
> >The local Safeway was tossing ALL the frozen food while I was looking for
> >the last of the lamp oil. No dice... We are using candles and about 23
> >Watts
> >of compact floresent, and a few Amphours of Battery supply out here in me
> >really cold office.
> >
> >My 2400 watter is cooling my neigbors fridge, and I get it back to fill
the
> >battery pack for this night. We have a Wood fire going and I am
upgrading
> >to long pants... yea that means it's cold when Madman up grades from
> >shorts.
> >
> >So.. I will be tending fires and Gen sets for Super bowl Sunday, we might
> >head over to the Big city and wathc on my Daughter's new 42 inch LCD.
> >But...
> >Darnkess rules here right now.
> >
> >I will be firing up a single string of Christmas lights just to make a
> >show....
> >
> >Man My APC Aps does not like the F-25's modified sqaure wave output.....
> >
> >See ya ... from a dark North Kitsap...
> >
> >Rich Rudman
> >Manzanita Micro
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur
>
> My Electric Vehicle Pages:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
>
> Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
>
> EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
> http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
>
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