EV Digest 5154
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by Chris Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: 1986 Toyota Pickup update/pictures
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Hybrid Efficiency vs Barbeque Sauce
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: 1986 Toyota Pickup update/pictures
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Havranek)
7) Re: Urba Trike
by lyle sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) re:new kits
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Battery Manu. looking for applications: was Re: Will Li be a reality in
2006?
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EV conversions available
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Milwaukee NOT Alone in the Li-Ion Tools any more....
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Emoo
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: New Kits
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Battery Manu. looking for applications: was Re: Will Li be a reality
in 2006?
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Emoo
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Is the list down?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) RE: Emoo
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Is the list down?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Is the list down?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) new "This New Car" Radio Show now on-line
by M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) More Battery Beach Burnout pics
by "Matthew D. Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: GM analysis of Prius, was: Hybrid efficiency
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Is the list down?
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) RE: Is the list down?
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Tour de Sol Press Release
by M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Heatsink sought for Curtis 1221c
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
at
http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
Wish me luck!
Chris Jones
Santa Rosa, CA
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On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 01:03:34PM -0800, Chris Jones wrote:
> >Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
>
> Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
> are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
> at
> http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
Awesome!!
Do you have any concerns about Valence's viability?
How much did they cost? Did they come with the BMS?
> Wish me luck!
Good luck!
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Dana Havranek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You've been catching a little flack here on the motor mounts.
> I see the bolts ended up at ten and two o'clock though - that's good.
10:00 and 4:00. This is good *if* the motor housing attempts to rotate
clockwise as it will then put both brackets into tension. If the motor
housing tries to rotate counterclockwise, the bracket attached at 10:00
will be put into compression while the 4:00 bracket looks like it will
rotate upward twisting the rail it attaches to and allowing the end of
the motor to move around.
> You should try to fabricate a mount that supports the body of
> the motor and bolts up to the original mounts.
> (I couldn't see if you used the original mounts in the picture)
Good advice.
> But if the original mounts line up with back of the electric
> motor, and you want to mount it that way, you'll need to
> fabricate a mount that supports the back of the motor and
> also stops it from turning.
Ideally you do not want to try to resist motor/drivetrain torque with a
mount attached to the motor endbell or case. What you want is to resist
the torque at the tranny/bellhousing, and only use a mount attached to
the motor endbell or housing to support the weight of the motor. Jeff
Schnab (sp?) has the right idea with his adapter plate design that
incorporates "ears" for the attachment of torque resisting links.
One nice thing about the "clamshell" type mounts often used with series
DC motors is that they *cannot* resist significant motor/drivetrain
torque; the motor will simply rotate inside of the clamp if subjected to
excessive torque.
> Check out mount at:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~dhavranek/mtr_mnt.htm
A very nice looking mount to be sure! Did you attach it to the car
using an original rubber mount (the pictures make it look like you may
have bolted it solidly to a motor mount location after substituting a
block of aluminum for the rubber mount)?
Do your tranny mounts allow the tranny to move transversely? If so,
then unless this motor mount is also rubber mounted, it will be flexed
as it resists this motion and may eventually fatigue and crack.
Here's a page/photo showing the motor mount arrangement in my Forsa
conversion:
<http://www.geocities.com/sorefeets/forsa/mount.htm>
I'm not saying it is the best or only way to do it, but I think it is an
example of a good way to support one's motor.
I haven't have a chance to update my conversion log in a very long time,
but here is a page showing the first few steps, including installation
of the motor:
<http://www.geocities.com/sorefeets/forsa/forsa.htm>
Cheers,
Roger.
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On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:57:10AM -0500, Neon John wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:09:13 -0700 (MST), "Peter VanDerWal"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Yeah, a gimmick. One of the oddest cars made in recent years with
> >> ugliness second only to maybe an Aztec. the fact is, there was about
> >> as much interest in the marketplace for that car as there is for BEVs.
Seems very subjective.
> >
> >That's probably a true statement....given the fact that the dealers in
> >california alone had orders for THOUSANDS of BEV's that the manufacturers
> >refused to aknowledge, and the fact that the dealers (at least in AZ)
> >can't keep a hybrid on the lot since they are all sold months before they
> >arrive.
>
> Minor correction, Peter. They had either names on waiting lists or
> maybe deposits in some cases.
Isn't it true that the EV1 waiting lists were all unofficial? I don't think
they took any deposits, right? I'm pretty sure that there were no conversions
off this list.
> NADA reports that conversion from
> waiting lists to sales runs no more than 2%, even for the hotest cars.
I could not find this report, do they mention the conversion rate for the
Toyota Prius?
> I don't recall the numbers for deposit lists but they're not much
> higher.
Might be interesting to see. EVs are so different, I wonder how applicable
these numbers would be to them though. It might be telling to see the numbers
for the RAV4EV. This may have been the only EV waiting list where
conversions were actually possible right?
<..snip..>
>
> No, I don't have a handy web source to point to. I'm still a member
> of NADA from when I traded a few used cars and I still get their
> literature. I'm sure that if you look around you can find the
> statistics on the web.
Do you have any pointers? I searched for
nada "conversion statistics"
conversion statistics
site:nada.org conversion statistics
site:nada.org statistics
site:nada.org conversion
site:nada.org waiting list
site:nada.org "waiting list"
site:nada.org list conversions
I think it may be in a members only area :(
Thanks!
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For a practical everyday conversion yes your Metro/Rabbit/Bug etc... is best
but for the cool factor a 64 Datxun is hard to beat. I'm driving a Ford
Courier and had to pay 100 dollars for two door handle under cups & a dome
light. It's worth it if you like antique or unique vehicles. Lawrence
Rhodes..
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Another Hot Lead. John Wayland eat you heart out.
At 07:31 AM 2/5/2006, you wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Arcane_autos/ I lurk this list and have
found many neat deals. Arcane autos has the best scroungers around. They
love old cars and find many. This 1964 Sport Truck by Datsun is one. It
if goes for a thousand bucks it's a steal. LR......
From: "facelnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another Hot Lead
Datsun "Sports Truck" available on CL SF. These were built only 2
years in very small numbers. Real cute pickup bed is integral with
cab. I spoke with the seller and he sounds very nice and straight up.
I think something around 1k would buy this.
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/130721578.html
I've got plenty to keep me busy or I would grab the Datsun and the
Super Snipe too!
We recoommend against converting orphans, and these are REALLY orphans.
What happens if you need clutch parts, or brake parts, or body parts, and
they are made out of unobtainium? We had a hard time finding some trim
parts (light lenses, etc.) for a '80's Rabbit.
Anything that was originallly built in small numbers is a huge risk. If
it is also something like a Renault that has no current dealer presence
here, it's a double risk. If the original manufacturer is completely
defunct, it's a triple threat.
Go there only if you are a masochist.
Mike Brown
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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Hi Roger.
It's nice to have the bolts in the right position to fabricate a *new* mount to
support the back of the motor.
(Sorry, I didn't write that too clearly)
With independent angles, it's a problem where ever the bolts are located.
On the Beetle, the original mount bolts up to the aluminum block on top of the
motor mount. The torque is transmitted to the frame through a bar that attaches
to the transaxle. A 9" ADC fits so well in a New Beetle, it's like it was made
for it. Electro should stock a plate and hub for it soon.
Indeed - looks like the 8" was a tight fit in the Forsa. Tiny gas motor - I did
a double-take on the picture.
I like the motor cable connector covers. Mine are a little home-brew.
Let's finish up that website!
Dana
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From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Dana Havranek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > You've been catching a little flack here on the motor mounts.
> > I see the bolts ended up at ten and two o'clock though - that's good.
>
> 10:00 and 4:00. This is good *if* the motor housing attempts to rotate
> clockwise as it will then put both brackets into tension. If the motor
> housing tries to rotate counterclockwise, the bracket attached at 10:00
> will be put into compression while the 4:00 bracket looks like it will
> rotate upward twisting the rail it attaches to and allowing the end of
> the motor to move around.
>
> > You should try to fabricate a mount that supports the body of
> > the motor and bolts up to the original mounts.
> > (I couldn't see if you used the original mounts in the picture)
>
> Good advice.
>
> > But if the original mounts line up with back of the electric
> > motor, and you want to mount it that way, you'll need to
> > fabricate a mount that supports the back of the motor and
> > also stops it from turning.
>
> Ideally you do not want to try to resist motor/drivetrain torque with a
> mount attached to the motor endbell or case. What you want is to resist
> the torque at the tranny/bellhousing, and only use a mount attached to
> the motor endbell or housing to support the weight of the motor. Jeff
> Schnab (sp?) has the right idea with his adapter plate design that
> incorporates "ears" for the attachment of torque resisting links.
>
> One nice thing about the "clamshell" type mounts often used with series
> DC motors is that they *cannot* resist significant motor/drivetrain
> torque; the motor will simply rotate inside of the clamp if subjected to
> excessive torque.
>
> > Check out mount at:
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~dhavranek/mtr_mnt.htm
>
> A very nice looking mount to be sure! Did you attach it to the car
> using an original rubber mount (the pictures make it look like you may
> have bolted it solidly to a motor mount location after substituting a
> block of aluminum for the rubber mount)?
>
> Do your tranny mounts allow the tranny to move transversely? If so,
> then unless this motor mount is also rubber mounted, it will be flexed
> as it resists this motion and may eventually fatigue and crack.
>
> Here's a page/photo showing the motor mount arrangement in my Forsa
> conversion:
>
> <http://www.geocities.com/sorefeets/forsa/mount.htm>
>
> I'm not saying it is the best or only way to do it, but I think it is an
> example of a good way to support one's motor.
>
> I haven't have a chance to update my conversion log in a very long time,
> but here is a page showing the first few steps, including installation
> of the motor:
>
> <http://www.geocities.com/sorefeets/forsa/forsa.htm>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roger.
>
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Here is a EVDL member's ( I believe ) who built one:
http://ev.chestersoft.com/
--- Brad Sagowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm looking for a summer time EV. Something cheap
> (relatively) and
> simple. This:
> http://www.rqriley.com/u-trike.htm
> looks like its fits the bill. I commute 17 miles
> each way a day to
> work. I was wondering if I build this with the
> following how it would
> preform.
>
> 6.7"ADC motor (unless you think an 8" would be
> better)
> 10 12V Optima Batteries
> Curtis 1221C controller
>
> The motor to rear end looks fairly straight forward.
> Interested in
> everyones opinions.
>
> Brad
>
>
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Do you have adapters for the Geo Metro's ??
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The Focus is on the short list and it has the plus of
> using the same adapter plate as the Miata. I have
> found that most of the small motors from Ford and
> Mazda have most of the same holes in common. That
> would at least reduce the number of adapters I would
> need to stock.
>
> Gadget
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> > I would like an EV version of the Ford Focus
> hatchback, or some other
> > small hatchback.
>
>
>
> visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
>
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Everyone keeps wanting the newest battery to try ... well here is
your chance .. $30 million for testing
http://www.a123systems.com/html/home.html
http://www.a123systems.com/html/evaluation.html
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 01:03:34PM -0800, Chris Jones wrote:
> > >Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
> >
> > Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
> > are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
> > at
> > http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
>
> Awesome!!
>
> Do you have any concerns about Valence's viability?
>
> How much did they cost? Did they come with the BMS?
>
> > Wish me luck!
>
> Good luck!
>
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Good for you , we need some real time info on these dream batteries.
Steve Clunn
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 01:03:34PM -0800, Chris Jones wrote:
>Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
at
http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
Awesome!!
Do you have any concerns about Valence's viability?
How much did they cost? Did they come with the BMS?
Wish me luck!
Good luck!
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The blue Porsche 911 and antique car look like ones Steve Clunn
(<http://www.grassrootsev.com>) built.
Yep they both are , and that's a 959 not 911 :-) I didn't do any of the
body work , or interior .
--- Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I ran across this today:
http://www.electrictransport.net/shop/category.asp?catid=11
Does anyone have any experience with these?
Just that they are looking for EV stuff to sell , and I have that , .
They'er not looking for the cheep o stuff ,
Here we have an EV for about $30,000. How do these compare to the
EV1
Well if you had a EV1 where would you take it for repair and manaintance
.? the above conversions could be fixed and mantanintaned my most on the
list.
for example? If comparable, why aren't they selling like crazy, or
are
they?
Well I'm sure they wouldn't compare to what I've heard about the ev1 but
where could you get a ev1 for 30,000 . Mostly what you are paying for is the
body .
Is the concern that it's a used vehicle and it's too much for
used? Would it be too much for new?
I wish I knew .
Steve Clunn
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Electro Automotive wrote:
We recoommend against converting orphans, and these are REALLY
orphans. What happens if you need clutch parts, or brake parts, or
body parts, and they are made out of unobtainium? We had a hard time
finding some trim parts (light lenses, etc.) for a '80's Rabbit.
Anything that was originallly built in small numbers is a huge risk.
If it is also something like a Renault that has no current dealer
presence here, it's a double risk. If the original manufacturer is
completely defunct, it's a triple threat.
Go there only if you are a masochist.
Hey now... I take it you don't appreciate classic car rebuild/restorations?
A challenge, yes. Masochist? That's a bit below the belt for those of us
that appreciate having a living automotive history around for us and our
kids :(
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open the page and go to the video for a peek at our
very own Rich"madman"Rudman working on this car. good
job
(:-)
>
www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/news.nsf/vwPressReleases/05B7EA8847B096A48625710A006F210D?OpenDocument
>
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On one extreme there are those of us who see the automobile as an art form.
On the other end of the scale there are those who see the automobile as an
appliance or utility device similar to a toaster.
And most are somewhere in the middle :^D
Stefan Peters wrote:
Electro Automotive wrote:
>
> We recoommend against converting orphans, and these are REALLY >
orphans. What happens if you need clutch parts, or brake parts, or > body
parts, and they are made out of unobtainium? We had a hard time > finding
some trim parts (light lenses, etc.) for a '80's Rabbit.
>
> Anything that was originallly built in small numbers is a huge risk. >
If it is also something like a Renault that has no current dealer >
presence here, it's a double risk. If the original manufacturer is >
completely defunct, it's a triple threat.
>
> Go there only if you are a masochist.
>
Hey now... I take it you don't appreciate classic car rebuild/restorations?
A challenge, yes. Masochist? That's a bit below the belt for those of us
that appreciate having a living automotive history around for us and our
kids :(
...
Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA
My EV and RE Project Pages-
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links-
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
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On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 04:49:07PM -0600, Lee Hart wrote:
> STEVE CLUNN wrote:
> > I saw a 2 1/2 ( I'm sure this is over rated compared to most motors)
> > electric mower motor in one of surplus center's catalog.
>
> The small motors you find in consumer products are often given absurd
> horsepower ratings for marketing reasons. "Powerful 2hp motor... runs on
> 120vac at 10amps." 120vac at 10amps is 1200 watts, which is about 1.2
> actual horsepower (assuming the motor is 75% efficient, which is typical
> for these small motors).
Do you think they could put out more power with better cooling? Or are
they already stretched too thin?
I've heard that you can get many times more then the continuous power rating
out of an ADC 9" for some amount of time by adding extra cooling, is the
same true for all motors?
<..snip..>
>
> I have a Rally 120vac electric mower that I used on batteries for a few
> years. I used sixty Gates 2v 2.5ah cells, which I got a good deal on as
> surplus. They were arranged as a ring around the motor, and charged with
> a "bad boy" bridge rectifier and light bulb charger. The on/off switch
> operated a contactor to switch the motor on/off. It mowed for 10-20
> minutes depending on how thick the grass was.
Did you convert it to battery power for the convenience of having a
cordless setup?
I wonder if it would be useful to use the extra weight to add a larger
motor that would cut through the grass easier?
I used to live in a place that had a small field behind it, and mowing
it with the push mower turned out to be a challenge sometimes. The engine
would occasionally stall out cutting through the thick grass. Seems like a
large electric motor would have resolved this problem.
Although having said that, I guess a lighter mower is nice too :)
> It worked fine, but was converted back to 120vac when I moved and had
> a lawn with an 8' height difference between the front and back yards,
> as it was too heavy to push up/down the hills.
I wonder how hard it would be to add self propulsion to something like that?
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I like the idea of the Miata. How much does that weigh as a
roller? And is there room for enough batteries to give 25-40 miles
on Lead and 60-75 on Li-Ion?
PT Cruiser seems more practical. Can you get the batteries in
without effecting cargo space?
At 1/20/2006 11:05 AM, you wrote:
Left Coast Conversions wants to offer some new kits to
the conversion market. We believe that the rising cost
of fuel will continue to bring new users to the ev
market. The cars we choose should have enough units on
the road to be able to find gliders. They should also
be cars that people will want to drive. So far we are
looking at a PT cruiser and a Miata. What other kitw
would you all like to see available? Thanks in advance
for the input.
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
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~0.7 ampere hour cells.
How many will we need?
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nick Austin" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Battery Manu. looking for applications: was Re: Will Li be a
reality in 2006?
> Everyone keeps wanting the newest battery to try ... well here is
> your chance .. $30 million for testing
>
>
> http://www.a123systems.com/html/home.html
>
> http://www.a123systems.com/html/evaluation.html
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 01:03:34PM -0800, Chris Jones wrote:
> > > >Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
> > >
> > > Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
> > > are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
> > > at
> > > http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
> >
> > Awesome!!
> >
> > Do you have any concerns about Valence's viability?
> >
> > How much did they cost? Did they come with the BMS?
> >
> > > Wish me luck!
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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The small motors you find in consumer products are often given absurd
horsepower ratings for marketing reasons. "Powerful 2hp motor... runs on
120vac at 10amps." 120vac at 10amps is 1200 watts, which is about 1.2
actual horsepower (assuming the motor is 75% efficient, which is typical
for these small motors).
Do you think they could put out more power with better cooling? Or are
they already stretched too thin?
maybe more than they probuce now but not more that what they claim :-). at a
higher voltage you'd get more rpm . you would then need a smaller blade. At
that price its going to be hard to beat.
I've heard that you can get many times more then the continuous power
rating
out of an ADC 9" for some amount of time by adding extra cooling, is the
same true for all motors?
first this I look at is the weight. a 1 hour rating , volts and amps ,
I wonder if it would be useful to use the extra weight to add a larger
motor that would cut through the grass easier?
I did a job the other day , lady called , the city had given her notice ,
the grass had not been cut for a year , 5 foot , . I gave her a price that
made her smile and say do it before I could finnish talking. If I had my gas
mower I would have taken it a few inches at a time , and it would have taken
hours . I cranked my 96v Emoo up to about 120 amp ( 2x mormal ) and walked
right through it . Stopped 1/2 through at 20 ah ( ya that would have been 10
minunits) charged for 10 miniuts at the same 120 amps , did some book work ,
hit it agine and was out of there.
Although having said that, I guess a lighter mower is nice too :)
If the mower is self propelled then it won't mater to much .
I wonder how hard it would be to add self propulsion to something like
that?
I picked up a comurcal walk be hind , that I'm planning on doing , not your
home owner model , got it with a blown engine for $200 , probable weights
400 lbs . I have to say I'm a little disapointed in the lack of intrest form
my fellow lawn men . I had sombody tell me " now if you could just get it
to run on old cooking oil ... "
ahhhh ya ;-) .
I also see lots of these cheep o small riders being thrown out ., like 30 in
cut , a golf cart motor and 3 orbitals would make a nice home owner mower .
Steve Clunn
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One or 2 messages a day for the past 3 days. Dennis Berube
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> The small motors you find in consumer products are often given absurd
> horsepower ratings for marketing reasons. "Powerful 2hp motor... runs
> on 120vac at 10amps." 120vac at 10amps is 1200 watts, which is about
> 1.2 actual horsepower (assuming the motor is 75% efficient, which is
> typical for these small motors).
Aaah, the power of marketing.
120vrms = 120 * 1.414 = 169.68v peak
so 169.68v-peak * 10a = 1696.8watts-peak
1697watts / 768 = 2.21hp-peak
Of course we all know that the amount of time that motor is sitting at that
power level is useless, but it sure looks good on the box.....
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Is the list down?
One or 2 messages a day for the past 3 days. Dennis Berube
Hello Dennis,
Yes, it has been very thin, which I find is normal on Saterday and Sunday,
but it surprise me that for several hours on monday, there was nothing.
I am also been getting all my WEB addresses I sent out, become double up for
some reason.
Roland
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I've been getting FAR more than that.
I think you guys may be having some email problems.
At 09:08 AM 2/7/2006, Roland Wiench wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Is the list down?
One or 2 messages a day for the past 3 days. Dennis Berube
Hello Dennis,
Yes, it has been very thin, which I find is normal on Saterday
and Sunday, but it surprise me that for several hours on monday,
there was nothing.
I am also been getting all my WEB addresses I sent out, become
double up for some reason.
Roland
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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ANOTHER episode of "This New Car" is now on-line (MP3 recording) at
http://www.wicn.org/programs/thisnewcar/schedule.htm
Podcast/RSS support for "This New Car" is available on the same page.
The episodes are 30 minutes each and almost all meat, very little fat compared
to most talk shows. Listen and see if you agree.
The entire schedule of 13 weeks ...
Available ...
#1 Pros and Cons of Hybrid Vehicles
#2 Pros and Cons of Alternative-Energy Vehicles
#3 Hydrogen-combustion vehicles
#4 Fuel-cell vehicles
#5 Electric & plug-in vehicles
In the February 5 show, "This New Car" explores the Pros and Cons of
Electric and Plug-in Vehicles. The chief problem with electric
vehicles is their limited range in comparison with gasoline-powered
vehicles and the limited number of charge-discharge cycles provided
before battery replacement is required. The problem of range could be
addressed with gas-electric hybrid vehicles, which use an electric
motor and grid-rechargeable batteries for acceleration and slow-speed
driving, with the ability to switch to gasoline power for cruising.
Several hybrid vehicles are being sold. However, none of these has
grid-rechargeable hybrid capabilities.
Coming ...
#6 New-technology vehicles
#7 What makes a hybrid a hybrid?
#8 Saving fuel with computers
#9 Detroit: Can the Motor City be hybrid-ized?
#10 "Green" vehicles: What are they and does the average consumer really care?
#11 What can we with the cars we're now driving to become cleaner?
#12 Is government doing enough to back "green" vehicles?
#13 Does everyone need to own a vehicle?
"This New Car", is a special 13-week edition of "The Business Beat", on
WICN/90.5 FM and at WICN.org in Worcester, MA, the National Public Radio
affiliate serving Central New England.
The experts for this lively, informative discussion on hybrid and
alternative-fuel vehicles are
Jim Dunn the NASA Center for Technology Commercialization
Gilles Labelle the Hybrid Center of Massachusetts at Westboro Toyota
Craig Van Batenburg the Automotive Career Development Center
all in Westboro Massachusetts.
"This New Car" is hosted by Steven Jones-D'Agostino of Best Rate Of Climb in
Worcester, MA, and sponsored exclusively by Westboro Toyota.
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Mike Bianchi
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Hey everyone,
I got some more Battery Beach Burnout pictures from Steve Clunn and I just
put them up on the website at
http://www.batterybeach.com/gallery.html
<http://www.batterybeach.com/gallery.html> . There are some really good ones
on the drag strip, the Show and Shine, and at the awards ceremony. Plus, if
you haven't seen it already, there are a couple pretty good wildlife shots
of the sand hill cranes and alligators roaming around our EVs!
If there's interest, I'll make each of the smaller pictures link to the high
resolution pictures so you can check out some of the detail on the cars. Be
sure to check 'em out and let me know!
Matt Graham
300V "Joule Injected" Nissan
http://www.jouleinjected.com <http://www.jouleinjected.com>
Hobe Sound, FL
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300 plus mile range with Lithium is expected. This depends on a LOT if
issues. But a really well done EV with some creature comforts should beable
to pull this off.
We had 30kwhr on the Montster Gargae EV... about 1200 lbs of battery and
support copper, this is 120 miles in My Goldie. In a fully drag tuned
chassis and with about 1800 lbs of Lions this can get our 300 miles. But..
it's still "pushing it"...
With a 800 lbs chassis and bare bones services... no heating no cooling and
Carbon fiber everything... maybe more.
Keep in mind the MG Ev had 100s of lbs of copper and steel in it for support
and 3000 amp currrents. Not a range car but.....
If we could get a solar racer chassis to suport the Lion pack.... 1000s of
miles....per charge. Coast to coast???? But that's unlimited budget EV
design.
Madman
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From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: GM analysis of Prius, was: Hybrid efficiency
> > its up to the GM management to
> > decide if they go Hybrid or Hydrogen.
>
>
> What about electric? With lithium batteries, how many miles per
> charge are necessary for electric to be viable and a reality?
>
> What's a guess as to the upper end of range with a large lithium pack?
>
> Could they get lithium batteries cheaper if they just made them
> them-self instead of buying them from China or Korea(shipping and
> profit issues)?
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One or 2 messages a day for the past 3 days. Dennis Berube
This is the first email I've gotten since the 3rd.
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Chris... Where's your data points in a Z2K and a single 8 incher, or a 9 or
a pair of 9s and Series parallel and a Z2k controller???
These should be out beyond the Stock 289, and maybe beyond the Shelby 350
power plant.
Single 8 and single 9s make the AC55 look like toys designed for Gramma.
And cost quite a bit less.
Madman
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From: "Chris Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Will Li be a reality in 2006?
> >Will Valence's products be on the market this year?
>
> Last month I ordered 12 U24s for my conversion. They
> are scheduled to arrive in May. My plans are posted
> at
> http://www.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/EV/1.htm.
> Wish me luck!
>
> Chris Jones
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
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Since 12:04 A.M Saturday, I've received 163 EV-List postings.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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THE TOUR DE SOL, AMERICA'S GREEN CAR SHOW AND COMPETITION,
``DRIVES TOWARD ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS''
HYBRID AND BIOFUEL VEHICLE OWNERS
STUDENTS
INVENTORS
and
VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS
INVITED TO ENTER
Greenfield, MA --January 26, 2006--The Tour de Sol, America's
number-one green car show and competition, offers new high-mileage, and zero
carbon emission challenges to hybrid and advanced vehicle owners, students, and
manufacturers.
The 18th annual Tour de Sol will be held at New York's Saratoga Spa
State Park and Spring Auto Show May 10-14, 2006. It will showcase vehicles
that can save consumers money at the gas pump while reducing our country's
dependence on foreign oil, reducing carbon emissions, and improving the air we
breathe.
``The Tour de Sol celebrates the high mileage vehicles that are on
the market today, continues to push the envelope toward zero carbon emission
vehicles -- that is, practical and affordable vehicles that ultimately do not
contribute to global climate change,'' said Nancy Hazard, Executive Director of
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA), organizer of the event.
The Tour de Sol offers public displays and competitions with more
than $10,000 in prize money. Hybrid and alternative fuel vehicle owners are
invited to participate in the Monte Carlo-style rally and high-mileage
challenge. Students, inventors, and manufacturers are invited to build and
showcase one-of-a-kind or production vehicles that aim to reduce oil use and
carbon emissions to zero and to compete in either the Tour de Sol Championship
with full-size cars, or in the Around-Town Vehicle Competition for electric
bikes and neighborhood electric vehicles. Younger students can get involved in
competitions for model cars powered by solar or hydrogen fuel cells.
``While consumer demand for high mileage vehicles has grown
dramatically in the past few years -- with increasing interest in hybrids, --
the best way to build cars that get over 100 mpg is still uncertain,'' said
James Dunn, CEO of the Center for Technology Commercialization, sponsor and
Chairman of the Monte Carlo-style rally. ``We expect to see some new exciting
technologies demonstrated in the 2006 High Mileage Vehicle Challenge.''
Thousands of people are expected to come to the Saratoga Spa State
Park and the Saratoga Automobile Museums' Spring Auto Show to see over sixty
vehicles participating in the Tour de Sol.
``This is the future -- this is not just making some symbolic
statement, this is talking about our country and its future,'' said New York
Governor George Pataki at the Tour de Sol last year. He went on to say that,
``It is absolutely wrong that in the 21st century 95% of U.S. transportation is
powered by petroleum. We have to break that dependence on foreign oil, on
unrenewable fossil fuels, and hydrocarbon sources of energy. We can do it. We
can do it through innovation, through the commitment of government leadership,
and, most of all, we can do it through creativity.''
Demand for environmentally-friendly energy and mobility solutions
is growing among consumers and getting more coverage in the press. Advanced
vehicles offer cleaner air and reduced costs at the gas pumps, but there are
also growing demands for climate-friendly vehicles and alternatives to
traditional auto travel. While hybrids enjoy the spotlight today, it is
uncertain what products will emerge to meet these new demands.
``I think we need to find new ways of getting around our
communities -- ways that do not use the car,'' said David Hammond, electric
bike advocate and organizer of the Around-Town Vehicle Competition.
``The challenge to build vehicles that don't emit any climate
change emissions is the ultimate challenge,'' said Dr. Robert Wills, founder of
the Tour de Sol. ``For the zero carbon emission prize we will analyze every
aspect of all the fuels used by the vehicle, and measure the climate change
emissions during production, distribution, and use.''
The Northeast Sustainable Energy Association, organizer of the Tour
de Sol, is the Northeast's leading organization of professionals working in
sustainable energy, whole systems thinking and green technologies. NESEA
facilitates the widespread adoption and use of sustainable energy by providing
support to industry professionals and by educating and motivating consumers to
learn about, ask for and adopt sustainable energy and green building practices.
NESEA accomplishes this through conferences, K-12 educational resources, its
Sustainable Yellow Pages, and public events.
For information on how to register or attend the Tour de Sol,
please go to www.nesea.org, or www.TourdeSol.org or call 413-774-6051.
CONTACT: Stef Komorowski (508) 698-6810, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nancy Hazard (413) 774-6051, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Bianchi
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Mark.
First keep that new 1221C in the box until the old one does the "Pop corn
song".
Get every cent out of the old unit, that's just free running. When it goes,
you have the replacement.
Some new ones die just as fast as the old ones.
Overheating, does not really hurt these controllers.. Heat alone is not
the grim Reaper. They are programmed to protect themselves, and they do so.
Any heat sink will do. The most effective is to have cool air flowing over
the controller, and a air blast on the base. Also a 1/2 inch slab or
Aluminum is better than nothing.
Of cours drilling the slab and pumping water through it is even better.
Finned heatsinks. Can be had in more flavors than you can count.
Wakefield, Thermalloy, Rtheta, D6, and others can sell you or make you a
heatsink.
All you need is a heatsink that covers the bottom of the Curtis, and has
about 2 inches of fin length. This is not rocket science, and you don't need
spendy extrusions or bonded fins, but they do help.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro.
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From: "Mark Freidberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: Heatsink sought for Curtis 1221c
> Hi,
>
> I'm seeking a heatsink for a new Curtis 1221c controller for my 1980 Jet
Electra Van.
>
> I ended up buying the new 1221c because the existing 1221c is a unit
that was reconditioned over 11 years ago and likely has not had adequate
cooling in all that time. It has been overheating while I have owned the van
since last year and who knows when the Curtis will decide to fail.
>
>
> Does anyone have a heatsink that would work? What dimensions are best
(if any)? I do have the option of moving the controller to another location
in the van which would provide plenty of space for an oversized heatsink if
necessary or desirable.
>
> I checked with KTA services and they are working on getting some but it
will be a couple months. I also see some heatsinks like these on ebay but
don't know whether they are suitable:
>
>
http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7587949317&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
>
>
>
> Mark Freidberg
>
>
>
>
>
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