EV Digest 5380
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Registration for electric bike from Canada in Washington state?
Maby I 'm beating a dead horse.
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: WONDERFUL NEWS - Christmas in April !!!
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: EV Grin Coming Back
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: longest range?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Registration for electric bike from Canada in Washington state? Maby I
'm beating a dead horse.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Flynn Research and Boeing Skunkworks project
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Flynn Research and Boeing Skunkworks project
by "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
by "Mark Grasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Otmar's motor speed sensor - where to buy?
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EV Grin Coming Back
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14) Re: How many batteries in a Beetle
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: longest range?
by Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Some problems to solve
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Some problems to solve
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Otmar's motor speed sensor - where to buy?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) RE: EXAR on Ebay
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Registration for electric bike from Canada in Washington state? Maby I
'm beating a dead horse.
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Flynn Research and Boeing Phantom Works project
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
by Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Tom Watson wrote:
Hi
I gotta say thanks to you all for the info on the licience problem...
great stuff! Especially the "ignorance of the law is no excuse" quote
from Roderick Wilde in Port Townsend! lol
All this brings up another problem though....
What to do about the registration issue... the electric bike is from
Canada and (as far as I know) can't be registered in the states. Any
idea how to handel this?... register it here maby? They don't usually
do that here with bikes. They will be very resistant to the idea!
any suggestions here? TIA
T
Well, after a bit of digging around, here are the official cites that
apply to your e-scooter (defined as a electric-assisted bicycle):
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Definitions: Electric-assisted bicycle
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.04.169
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Rules of the Road: Mopeds, EPAMDs, electric-assisted bicycles, motorized
foot scooters — General requirements and operation
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.710
Note subsection 3 & 5, which states that you cannot ride on any
sidewalk, but you can use bicycle trails/lanes. Note also that each
county and city may have it's own set of rules that may trounce these:
"(5) ...but local jurisdictions may restrict or otherwise limit the
access of electric-assisted bicycles and motorized foot scooters"
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Rules of the Road: Special endorsement - Exceptions
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.20.500
"(3) No driver's license is required for operation of an
electric-assisted bicycle if the operator is at least sixteen years of
age. Persons under sixteen years of age may not operate an
electric-assisted bicycle."
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Vehicle licenses: Licenses and plates required — Penalties — Exceptions.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.010
Note subsection (5)(b), which states that "(1)..without first having
obtained and having in full force and effect a current and proper
vehicle license" does NOT apply to "Electric-assisted bicycles".
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Motor vehicles: Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles, mopeds,
electric-assisted bicycles — Helmets, other equipment — Children — Rules.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.530
"(c) ...Persons operating electric-assisted bicycles shall comply with
all laws and regulations related to the use of bicycle helmets;"
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would suggest printing out the first two and keeping it with the
scooter, just in case ;)
Now you *could* try to get a moped permit if you wanted to have a pretty
sticker on the back, see:
https://wws2.wa.gov/dol/vsagents/
Call a nearby licensing agent and ask about a registration for your
Canadian "moped". You might want to try an independent agent (not county
auditor), since those tend to give you the best service and most leeway
IMHO.
~ Peanut Gallery ~
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good for you steven
good going
good luck
..peekay
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From: "Steven Lough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR"
<[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: WONDERFUL NEWS - Christmas in April !!!
> Can't contain myself with excitement !! My Mails to the folks at the
> The Seattle International Film Festival - I think have paid OFF......
> ( although I only had a minor role. The WONDERFUL film and GLOWING
> reviews did the Rest... SEATTLE IS GOING TO AIR " WHO KILLED THE
> ELECTRIC CAR !!!"
>
> Here is a copy of the news that came in this morning from the Producers.
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> April 2006
>
> Here is the latest news on "Who Killed the Electric Car?" Thanks for
> your enthusiasm and patience (and sorry if this reaches you twice)...
>
> The 2006 Sundance Film Festival was a blast. We showed an early cut of
> the film to sell out crowds. Although we weren't showing the film for
> official reviews, we got some early buzz. New York Times critic A.O.
> Scott wrote that our screening was "one of the most passionate" he'd
> ever seen at Sundance. (To read the article go to
> http://whokilledtheelectriccar.com and click on "press"). And the
> online magazine GRIST us a nice nod too. Nearly 1000 people saw this
> early edition including a large group of high school students. We
> listened to feedback, met lots of interesting fired-up audience members,
> answered questions, and enjoyed stepping out of the edit room into the
> theater.
>
> The big news is that Sony Pictures Classics gave us an official release
> date : June 28th, 2006! Sony is working on how a roll-out will work in
> major markets. Your help in getting the word out will be vital around
> the release.
>
> In the meantime, we've been accepted to some top rated film festivals
> including San Francisco, Tribeca, Mountain Film and Seattle.
>
> 2006 film festival screenings (as of 4/10/06):
>
> 1) San Francisco Film Festival (April 21-22) http://fest06.sffs.org/
>
> 2) USA Film Festival, Dallas (April 29)
>
> 3) Tribeca Film Festival, New York City (May 2, 4, 5, and 6)
> http://www.tribecafilmfestival.org/
>
> 4) Mountain Film Festival, Telluride, Co (tentative: May 28)
>
> 5) SEATTLE FILM FESTIVAL (tentative: June 9) <<<< <<<<<< <<<< <<< <<<
>
> 6) Atlanta Film Festival (tentative: June 11)
>
> US PREMIERE: JUNE 28, 2006
>
>
> This is all moving very fast. Check the website in the coming weeks for
> more announcements as we get closer.
>
> As before, thank you in advance for your support. Your efforts to
> promote the film (especially on its opening weekends) will make a big
> difference in getting this film to wider audience.
>
> Best regards ,
>
> Chris and all of us at "Who Killed the Electric Car"
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
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Hi Bob,
You wrote:
I figure that if it is strong enough to lube Zombies' gears, It would
handle Rabbit gears, just fine? Amzoil? Purple something?It was about
8 bux a quart, but maybe ya get what you pay for?
Maybe you're thinking of Royal Purple? They make a really good line of
synthetic gear oils. Expensive; yes... but I like it! When I replaced
the 80W90 gear oil in my Jeep's differentials with Royal Purple it did
make a notable difference in efficiency (mainly because this was during
the winter, and the 80W90 was thick as hell)
John Wayland just chimed in with a" whose coming from
Out West." Howbout the REST of the country. <snip>
Looking forward to a BIG EV time mext month!
I'm coming from out west... but only from about 3 hours away ;-).
Unfortunately, I'll be EV-less, but I will have my E85 truck...
See you there,
--
-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://go.DriveEV.com/
http://www.ACEAA.org/
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longest range: 98 miles with a 2 seats peugeot 106 driving with egg under
the foot(trying to have maximim range for fun)
Usual range with my 4 seats Citroen Saxo is between 55 to 60 miles
commuting.
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Alan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: longest range?
> What is the longest range everyone has gotten on their ev? If you've
gotten
> over 60, definitely let me know.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> --
> // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
> "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
> "Maturity resides in the mind."
>
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Would it be hard to put a pack together using 18650's like AC Propulsion
did. Seems 6800 batteries putting out 8 amps each is a lot of power. Seems
based on the 8 amp output you might be able to do a very light pack. At a
buck a pop It'd be reasonable. 300 cells would put out 2400 amps. Just
depends on the voltage you need. Might be call for a throwaway pack.
LR>...........
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
It does not look like the battery co. I was dealing with will have a
product
to put in my car till next year.I also heard this last year so its looks
like
I will have to make the lead work. Without hi power batteries the CE will
not
run 7 second qt.miles. Dennis Berube
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Bicycles are trivial as far as the law is concerned. China, Canada, UK
etc... shouldn't make a difference. As long as you aren't ripping down the
road with traffic you shouldn't have a problem as long as you follow federal
law. Ken Trough doesn't seem to have much in the way of problems. You
might pose this problem to the Zappy list.
To visit the Zappy group go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zappy/
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From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Registration for electric bike from Canada in Washington state?
Maby I 'm beating a dead horse.
Hi
I gotta say thanks to you all for the info on the licience problem...
great stuff! Especially the "ignorance of the law is no excuse" quote
from Roderick Wilde in Port Townsend! lol
All this brings up another problem though....
What to do about the registration issue... the electric bike is from
Canada and (as far as I know) can't be registered in the states. Any
idea how to handel this?... register it here maby? They don't usually
do that here with bikes. They will be very resistant to the idea!
any suggestions here? TIA
T
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:14:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: license for electric bike in washington state?? tell me
it aint
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
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Ahh, so 1kW = 1HP? Still not used to converting electric power
ratings
to HP.
Not exactly. 1hp = aproximately 746 watts.
However, assuming average efficiency, a motor with 1kw of electrical
imput power will produce approximately 1hp of mechanical output
power.
I'm sure there are some cops that will give you a hard time until
you show that the power level is below 1HP.
Actually, the chances are they won't know and won't care. If you
don't make a nuisance of yourself then they will probably leave you
alone.
Up until they came out with the federal definition of an e-bike
Arizona had no allowance for them. ANYTHING with a motor on it was
considered a moped and required a drivers license.
None of the cops in my town were aware of this nor was anyone at the
DMV. There were numerous unregistered e-bikes, e-scooters, etc.
around and the cops couldn't care less.
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I just seen this in www.e-driveonline.com from Flynn Research,
http://www.flynnresearch.net/our_patent.htm
Calling this a Tilley (even with a question mark) is very unfair so I
changed the subject. This project was reported in industry trade
journals (as opposed to popular science type publications), and the
project is said to involved Boeing Skunkworks (their deep R&D arm).
Unless Boeing has disavowed the project, I'd say their involvement puts
this in a league well beyond Tilley or Chas.
I have been taking a "wait and see" attitude since this was announced
several weeks ago, but this appears to be far more than a random
nutter's project.
For those who have not clicked the link, a claim has been made that they
have discovered a way to steer around magnetic flux inside the motor
core during operation to get significant efficiency gains out of the
motor.
Hope this helps!
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Lockheed Martin has a facility called Skunkworks in Palmdale California. It
is where they developed the SR-71 and the Stealth Fighter. I don't believe
Boeing would have a facility that goes by the same name.
From: Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Flynn Research and Boeing Skunkworks project
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:04:35 -0700
I just seen this in www.e-driveonline.com from Flynn Research,
http://www.flynnresearch.net/our_patent.htm
Calling this a Tilley (even with a question mark) is very unfair so I
changed the subject. This project was reported in industry trade journals
(as opposed to popular science type publications), and the project is said
to involved Boeing Skunkworks (their deep R&D arm). Unless Boeing has
disavowed the project, I'd say their involvement puts this in a league well
beyond Tilley or Chas.
I have been taking a "wait and see" attitude since this was announced
several weeks ago, but this appears to be far more than a random nutter's
project.
For those who have not clicked the link, a claim has been made that they
have discovered a way to steer around magnetic flux inside the motor core
during operation to get significant efficiency gains out of the motor.
Hope this helps!
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Good question. Nyrol is the type of plastic. We injection mold it.
Mark Grasser
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From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Grasser" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
Is Nyrol shaped like Coroplast?
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mark Grasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There are plastics that are self extinguishing. We use a product called
Nyrol. Even when molten and driping in goes out.
Mark Grasser
78 #358
BIG REDs
http://members.rennlist.com/mgrasser
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From: "Fortunat Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
> but note, corrugated plastic is flammable.
>
> I didn't think that would be a problem in an EV (what
> burns in an EV?), but it was. When my controller
> failed earlier this year, the pressure inside the
> controller was enough to make it spit the plastic end
> cap (opposite the terminals). This cap landed on my
> Coroplast belly pan and was hot enough to ignite it.
>
> I didn't notice until a friendly passerby hollered out
> his car window, 'your car is on fire'.
>
> Luckily, I didn't attach the belly pan that well to
> the car body so I was able to jump under the car and
> rip the burning sheets off the car before anything
> else was damaged(adreneline helped).
>
> so, beware.
>
> ~fortunat
>
>
> --- Adrian DeLeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Coroplast (corrugated polypropylene, correx,
>> corroflute, etc.) is
>> available in 2, 4, and 10 millimeter thickness. 3mm
>> and 6mm are less
>> common. A 4'x8' sheet of 4mm runs $15 to $30
>> depending on the
>> supplier/color. Smaller pieces can be much cheaper
>> due to shipping
>> restrictions. You can get it FREE from gas
>> stations/grocery stores (old
>> signs) or after an election - vote for free
>> plastic!.
>>
>> You can use it to block off grilles, as a belly pan,
>> flexible spacer, wire
>> race, etc. It's also used to make R/C airplanes,
>> hamster cages, USPS boxes
>> for sorting mail, as shipping/packaging material,
>> etc.
>>
>> Instead of layering 3 or 4 pieces between batteries,
>> take a larger piece
>> and fold it into a rectangular tube. Use a philips
>> screw driver to "score"
>> a line before folding (very helpful if folding
>> across corrugations). Slots
>> can be cut by removing the plastic between
>> corrugations. If you made a
>> tube that stuck up higher than the surrounding
>> batteries you could mount a
>> fan directly to it - come to think of it, I might
>> need to do this on my
>> battery boxes :)
>>
>> /----\ /--------------\
>> | | | open hole |
>> F | | to below! |
>> A | \--- --------/
>> N | /-------\ FAN
>> | | |Battery|
>> | | | | (top view)
>> | | \-------/
>> | | ===========
>> | | /-------\
>> \ / |Battery|
>> | |
>> \-------/
>> (side view)
>>
>> Corro will warp when it gets warm (in a car in the
>> sun), so store it flat.
>> Cuts with a utility knife, heavy scissors, X-acto
>> knife, etc. Gluing can
>> be tricky - Goop is probably the easiest:
>>
>> Goop/shoe goo - slather it on!
>> Gorilla glue/ProBond/poly glue - rough the surface &
>> mist with water. If
>> possible, poke lots of little holes for the glue to
>> seep through and
>> create small "rivets". Poly glue expands
>> significantly with water.
>> Cyanoacrylate/CA/Super glue - Scrub surface with
>> mineral spirits or
>> "flash" with a propane torch to drive out
>> manufacturing oils - be careful!
>> Results can be spotty depending on age of glue,
>> humidity, etc.
>>
>> Test glue a few pieces first. With poly glue or CA
>> the corro should rip
>> before the pieces come apart!
>>
>> Here are some sources and websites with good
>> tips/tricks for working with
>> Corro.
>>
>> www.spadtothebone.com (see corro hinge tool,
>> supplier list)
>> www.harborsales.net (2,4,6,10mm coroplast)
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>
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Mark Ward wrote:
> Does anyone make one that lets you keep using the shaft for other accessories?
How about this?
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=444&product_id=1568
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=444&product_id=1565
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On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:07 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey John Wayland? What was that stuff you sent me to get for the
Zombie's rear end??It was at your local Speed Shop, was rather pricy,
but was supposed to do good stuff in a Ford Rear end?? I figure that
if it is strong enough to lube Zombies' gears, It would handle Rabbit
gears, just fine? Amzoil? Purple something?It was about 8 bux a quart,
but maybe ya get what you pay for?
I want to point out that what goes into a rear end and what goes into a
transaxle can be different. I do not recommend GL-5 gear oil in the
Rabbit transaxle. Some transmissions do call for GL-5, but if they
don't stick with GL-4 or whatever they call out. GL-5 is not an upgrade
to GL-4.
I recommend Redline MTL synthetic GL-4 gear oil. That is what I put in
the Rabbit Pickup.
Paul G.
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Dennis wrote:
> It does not look like the battery co. I was dealing with will have a product
> to put in my car till next year.I also heard this last year so its looks like
> I will have to make the lead work. Without hi power batteries the CE will not
> run 7 second qt.miles.
If you borrowed the Monster Garage battery pack, could you run 7's using that?
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In a message dated 4/17/06 12:49:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
Date: 4/17/06 12:49:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lawrence Rhodes)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Would it be hard to put a pack together using 18650's like AC Propulsion
did. Seems 6800 batteries putting out 8 amps each is a lot of power. Seems
based on the 8 amp output you might be able to do a very light pack. At a
buck a pop It'd be reasonable. 300 cells would put out 2400 amps. Just
depends on the voltage you need. Might be call for a throwaway pack.
LR>...........
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
> It does not look like the battery co. I was dealing with will have a
> product
> to put in my car till next year.I also heard this last year so its looks
> like
> I will have to make the lead work. Without hi power batteries the CE will
> not
> run 7 second qt.miles. Dennis Berube >>
***To much work and money for me to just rebreak my own record.At this point
I should not be paying for batteries or the bms. D.Berube
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Though not a Beetle, the Karmann Ghia is very similar. I redesigned the pan
with a low flat floor and square corners to fit twelve T-105 or smaller
batteries under the rear seat by reducing ground clearance to 5", removing the
heater tubes, and occupying a few inches of the rear footwell with battery box.
Four group 24 batteries will easily fit in place of the gas tank. This design
gives near optimal weight distribution, and greatly reduces stress upon the
body. Photos and more are online at:
http://karmanneclectric.blogspot.com/2005/09/back-to-beginning.html
Cheers,
Jay Donnaway
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Would it be hard to put a pack together using 18650's like AC Propulsion
> did. Seems 6800 batteries putting out 8 amps each is a lot of power. Seems
> based on the 8 amp output you might be able to do a very light pack. At a
> buck a pop It'd be reasonable. 300 cells would put out 2400 amps.
If you had a pack of 6800 batteries:
What would you use for a charger?
What would you use for a BMS?
680lbs for 6800 of these 18650's..?
Where do you find them at for ~$1 each?
http://www.megabatteries.com/items.asp?cat_id=51
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Shari,
can you please give us details as to the
batteries, motor, controller, and any other
contributing factors that may be significant
besides 120V Porsche 914???
Electro Automotive wrote:
At 07:55 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
What is the longest range everyone has gotten on their ev? If you've
gotten
over 60, definitely let me know.
Thanks, Alan
One of our customers got 126 miles in a rally in a 120V Porsche 914.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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Sony has a Lithium UR18650S that they say can output 20 Amps
continuously! It's only a little over 1 Ah per battery. In small
quantities the 18650 batteries seem to cost around $7.50 each, too
bad it's not closer to $1.
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it be hard to put a pack together using 18650's like AC
> Propulsion
> did. Seems 6800 batteries putting out 8 amps each is a lot of
> power. Seems
> based on the 8 amp output you might be able to do a very light
> pack. At a
> buck a pop It'd be reasonable. 300 cells would put out 2400 amps.
> Just
> depends on the voltage you need. Might be call for a throwaway
> pack.
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Hey Jeff I have been out of the loop all weekend...
Easter and relatives in Portland and My cell is basicly useless at my folk's
place on the mountain.
I am CCing Joe so he can see your troubles.
Forget forced equalization.. That's for floodeds. AGM guys use the Regs. And
Never drive the Lead over 15 volts if we can help it.
Never Equalize, The regs do that as they blink.
Flooded once a month or 30 cycles, Drive them to 15.5 and let them Gas for
about a hour per every 50 Amphours of battery.. Less than 50 Amphours... use
30 minutes.
AGMs never.
Kelvin Wire??? you mean kelvin temp sensors??? NO.. just Fluke.
The Kelvin sense is .. not temp sense, It's a NON current carring voltage
sense circuit. Hint don't use it if you don't know what it's for.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Some problems to solve
> Oh My! That equalization procedure is a conversation killer. I can stop
> bragging about how easy it is to own an EV with this setup, "plug it in
> and go to bed"
>
> Is this necessary with AGM's and Regs?
> if so, how often?
> If I had flooded, I would do this more often?
>
> It sounds like a job for a micro based remote control daughter board :-)
>
> Do you have a source for Kelvin wire? I mean a nice little co-extruded
> cable with main conductor and sense wire?
>
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Just what makes you think you are so Special Dennis???
The rest of us have to make our own BMS...
Why not you???
Those little modular chargers are in effect a prettey Good BMS. So you
already have what you need for Lead.
The Lion stuff needs a BMS or a LOT of little chargers.. Heck a stack of
those Z28 Lions and 6 chargers.. and well Looky here..
You too can play with Lions...
That should be simple enough for you.
It might take you more than 15 minutes to Bilk charge....I expect..
Madman
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
. Dennis Berube >>
> ***To much work and money for me to just rebreak my own record.At this
point
> I should not be paying for batteries or the bms. D.Berube
>
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> Is this necessary with AGM's and Regs?
> if so, how often?
I'm pretty sure it just has to be done once when you first get the
charger to set it up.
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If you are using a Zilla, Otmar said these will not work. The Zilla needs 4
magnets for a 4 pulse input. The sensor is a normally closed, and when
passes over a magnet it switches off the signal. The on pulse must be at
least on three times longer than the off pulse, so the magnet length and
spacing is critical.
The sensor Otmar sent me is a Hamlin No 55110 which is a non-latching
normally closed type activated by the south pole of the magnets.
Roland
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From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Otmar's motor speed sensor - where to buy?
> Mark Ward wrote:
>
> > Does anyone make one that lets you keep using the shaft for other
> > accessories?
>
> How about this?
>
> http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=444&product_id=1568
>
> http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=444&product_id=1565
>
>
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In a message dated 4/17/06 1:50:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
Date: 4/17/06 1:50:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryan Stotts)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Would it be hard to put a pack together using 18650's like AC Propulsion
> did. Seems 6800 batteries putting out 8 amps each is a lot of power.
Seems
> based on the 8 amp output you might be able to do a very light pack. At a
> buck a pop It'd be reasonable. 300 cells would put out 2400 amps.
If you had a pack of 6800 batteries:
What would you use for a charger?
What would you use for a BMS?
680lbs for 6800 of these 18650's..?
Where do you find them at for ~$1 each?
http://www.megabatteries.com/items.asp?cat_id=51
>>
To go fast you have to have reliable parts.That includes batteries and
bms.The current eliminator has already gone fast a couple hundred times. The
car IS
ready to run 7 something in the qt.mi.Remember all this car is legal only to
7.50.I want to run 6s so do not be surprised to see it 4 sale.The funds will
build me another car. Dennis
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In a message dated 4/17/06 2:22:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
Date: 4/17/06 2:22:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Rudman)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Just what makes you think you are so Special Dennis???
The rest of us have to make our own BMS...
Why not you???
Those little modular chargers are in effect a prettey Good BMS. So you
already have what you need for Lead.
The Lion stuff needs a BMS or a LOT of little chargers.. Heck a stack of
those Z28 Lions and 6 chargers.. and well Looky here..
You too can play with Lions...
That should be simple enough for you.
It might take you more than 15 minutes to Bilk charge....I expect..
Madman
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Current Eliminator News/no hi power batts.this year
. Dennis Berube >>
> ***To much work and money for me to just rebreak my own record.At this
point
> I should not be paying for batteries or the bms. D.Berube >>
**Rich I am not special and I have my own bulk and bms for lead which I paid
for.The CE has been very sucessful both on the track and on the trade show
circuit and I think it still has the all out record,so if a litho co.wants me
to
rebreak the old record they can supply the goods.Now if you or someone else
takes that measly 8 second record I will spend my own money again to rebreak
the
record... Dennis
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>From the ad:
"Here is a one of a kind Prototype BMW coupe based Frua bodied electric
car."
So, if you do not mind making your own parts, finding non-existent
replacement
plastic and rubber sounds like a challenge to you and you like a unique car,
then this can be your life project.
If you prefer to have parts at hand and after-market orderable, then this
hulk that looks like it did not have windows for 20 years (with matching
interior - interior - what interior?) may be not for you....
I do like BMW's, but prefer a long-running model of which I can select a
vehicle that has a perfect body, a good interior, low miles and (preferably)
blown engine but otherwise good drivetrain.
YMMV. Your challenges too.
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Jeff Shanab
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: EXAR on Ebay
I had never heard of this car before. item number 4630782855
it looks like a dryed up husk, but the link on the page has some
interesting EV history and it did pass US safety inspection once.
looks like 100miles on a charge , but I haven't looked thru rest of
page(it is fixed size and hard to read scanned documents)
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Ken Trough doesn't seem to have much in the way of problems.
I live in Washington State and I have been riding electrics that are not
strictly legal by the narrow definition of the law for many years now on
a daily basis. I have even ridden many "electric freaks" (custom
scooters, cycles, mini-choppers, and recumbents) that do not look like
any type of recognizable legal vehicle.
I have been scrutinized and questioned by police about my rides a total
of four times in 7 years. I have never received a ticket. Two of those
four times I did not even receive a warning.
I know that being stopped by the police is a very scary thing for many
people, and extraordinary lengths are sometimes gone to in order to
avoid such a confrontational moment, but the fact is that some police
will pull you over for looking different even if you are not doing
anything illegal. The key to not being pulled over or otherwise heavily
scrutinized is to blend in as best as possible.
In my experience, if your ride has pedals and if it looks like a bicycle
and if you ride it like a bicycle, you will never have a problem. Almost
all the police in the US know that basic electric bicycles are legal.
While there are power limits and things like that, 99.9% of the time
these do not matter. What matters is that you have functional pedals,
and that you are not riding like a maniac. If you look like a bicycle
(you are sometimes pedaling) you ride like a bicycle (you are going 30
mph or less), and you ride where bicycles are allowed then most police
will not give you a second glance.
If you ride looks too moped-ish, or if a police asks you "what is that
thing you are riding", simply assert that it is your "electric bicycle".
So long as you assert that you are on an "electric bicycle" most police
will accept this and move along. If they ask "are electric bicycles
legal?" then it is handy to have memorized the Washington state RCW law
number as well as the basic gist of the law to use for a response. I
have found that many police do not like people waving printouts of laws
in their faces. Even if you are right, you are annoying the police and
that is not good. If the police is a jerk who wants to give you trouble
for no apparent reason, if you politely assert that you "thought" that
you were on an electric bicycle and that you "thought" that electric
bicycles were legal according to your prior research, you show that you
are a person who is concerned with the issue and who is trying to do the
right thing. You are explaining, not arguing or contradicting. Most
police, even if they are convinced you are in the wrong, will let you
off with a warning and not a ticket under such circumstances.
If you are stopped, the key is to be surprised that you are being
stopped, be reasonable and knowledgable with your responses and
explanation to the officer, and do not argue. If the officer asserts
something that you disagree with, simply restate that you thought it was
alright for whatever reason and apologize for being wrong. If you argue
or outright contradict the officer, it will only cause you further
problems.
The bottom line is that the officer has the power to write you up for
anything, correct or not. The key is to appear be a reasonable citizen
(or visitor) who is polite and is trying to follow the rules. Blend in.
Hope this helps!
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Lockheed Martin has a facility called Skunkworks in Palmdale
California. It is where they developed the SR-71 and the Stealth
Fighter. I don't believe Boeing would have a facility that goes by the
same name.
You are correct of course. This was my bad. The name of the facility
according to the report was the Boeing Phantom Works.
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
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Or, is there a coating that you can spray/paint/apply
to the chloroplast to keep it from catching fire???
Mark Grasser wrote:
Good question. Nyrol is the type of plastic. We injection mold it.
Mark Grasser
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To: "Mark Grasser" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
Is Nyrol shaped like Coroplast?
Mike
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There are plastics that are self extinguishing. We use a product
called Nyrol. Even when molten and driping in goes out.
Mark Grasser
78 #358
BIG REDs
http://members.rennlist.com/mgrasser
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pack cooling/heating conduit
> but note, corrugated plastic is flammable.
>
> I didn't think that would be a problem in an EV (what
> burns in an EV?), but it was. When my controller
> failed earlier this year, the pressure inside the
> controller was enough to make it spit the plastic end
> cap (opposite the terminals). This cap landed on my
> Coroplast belly pan and was hot enough to ignite it.
>
> I didn't notice until a friendly passerby hollered out
> his car window, 'your car is on fire'.
>
> Luckily, I didn't attach the belly pan that well to
> the car body so I was able to jump under the car and
> rip the burning sheets off the car before anything
> else was damaged(adreneline helped).
>
> so, beware.
>
> ~fortunat
>
>
> --- Adrian DeLeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Coroplast (corrugated polypropylene, correx,
>> corroflute, etc.) is
>> available in 2, 4, and 10 millimeter thickness. 3mm
>> and 6mm are less
>> common. A 4'x8' sheet of 4mm runs $15 to $30
>> depending on the
>> supplier/color. Smaller pieces can be much cheaper
>> due to shipping
>> restrictions. You can get it FREE from gas
>> stations/grocery stores (old
>> signs) or after an election - vote for free
>> plastic!.
>>
>> You can use it to block off grilles, as a belly pan,
>> flexible spacer, wire
>> race, etc. It's also used to make R/C airplanes,
>> hamster cages, USPS boxes
>> for sorting mail, as shipping/packaging material,
>> etc.
>>
>> Instead of layering 3 or 4 pieces between batteries,
>> take a larger piece
>> and fold it into a rectangular tube. Use a philips
>> screw driver to "score"
>> a line before folding (very helpful if folding
>> across corrugations). Slots
>> can be cut by removing the plastic between
>> corrugations. If you made a
>> tube that stuck up higher than the surrounding
>> batteries you could mount a
>> fan directly to it - come to think of it, I might
>> need to do this on my
>> battery boxes :)
>>
>> /----\ /--------------\
>> | | | open hole |
>> F | | to below! |
>> A | \--- --------/
>> N | /-------\ FAN
>> | | |Battery|
>> | | | | (top view)
>> | | \-------/
>> | | ===========
>> | | /-------\
>> \ / |Battery|
>> | |
>> \-------/
>> (side view)
>>
>> Corro will warp when it gets warm (in a car in the
>> sun), so store it flat.
>> Cuts with a utility knife, heavy scissors, X-acto
>> knife, etc. Gluing can
>> be tricky - Goop is probably the easiest:
>>
>> Goop/shoe goo - slather it on!
>> Gorilla glue/ProBond/poly glue - rough the surface &
>> mist with water. If
>> possible, poke lots of little holes for the glue to
>> seep through and
>> create small "rivets". Poly glue expands
>> significantly with water.
>> Cyanoacrylate/CA/Super glue - Scrub surface with
>> mineral spirits or
>> "flash" with a propane torch to drive out
>> manufacturing oils - be careful!
>> Results can be spotty depending on age of glue,
>> humidity, etc.
>>
>> Test glue a few pieces first. With poly glue or CA
>> the corro should rip
>> before the pieces come apart!
>>
>> Here are some sources and websites with good
>> tips/tricks for working with
>> Corro.
>>
>> www.spadtothebone.com (see corro hinge tool,
>> supplier list)
>> www.harborsales.net (2,4,6,10mm coroplast)
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>
>
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