EV Digest 5450
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Still blowing fuses
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Still blowing fuses
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Optima battery contest
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: looking for doner car
by "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) 2006 NEDRA Power of DC
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: looking for doner car
by "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10) Re: looking for doner car
by "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: Ford bolts, ie. battery clamp bolts
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Article 625 Interlock
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: the tango vs other EV's of the future ..
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Optima battery contest
by Mark Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Taking my truck to the doctor
by Paul Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) races & mowers
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Article 625 Interlock
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: the tango vs other EV's of the future ..
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Calvin King wrote:
> I connect the charger, set it at 15 amps, it runs for about ten
> minutes and blows the DC fuse. K&W BC20 on a 108 volt pack. The
> batteries are new and I am not aware of any change to have cause the
> fuse to blow. It worked and then suddenly didn't. I have gone
> through 4 or 5 fuses and still can't see anything out of the ordinary.
What size fuse is is blowing? If you are trying to run 15 amps thru a 15
amp fuse, then it is almost guaranteed to blow.
You usually need to size a fuse for about double the normal current if
you don't want nuisance tripping (i.e. use a 30 amp fuse if it normally
carries 15 amps).
Other possibilities: Fuses are basically just resistors. Anything that
makes them get hot makes them blow. So, other things that will make them
blow earlier than expected include:
- loose fuseholder or connections to the fuse
- running it in a hot location
- blocking air circulation around the fuse
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Bob Bath wrote:
> I'm surprised you're not blowing your breaker. Because of "harmonics"
> on the AC line, I could never pack more than 7.2 amps (as observed
> on the E-meter) RMS into my pack.
The E-meter (aka Link-10) displays *average* current, not RMS. The way
the K&W works, 7.2 amps average into the pack is about 10 amps RMS.
Fuses respond to the RMS current.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Hey Shawn
Being I didn't vote I guess my first Wiennie award goes to me. In as much as
I intended to get myself a membership it has failed to materialize yet. Being
a new business I could $50.00 dollar myself to death, lmao. With that said I
do try to help all I can so maybe I'm just 1/2 a wiennie, lmao!!
First I remember hearing about you having 15" motors but if you get them to
the race I'll make sure I got room to haul them back. I'll have to listen to
Wayland bitchin about loss in gas milage but I got ear plugs, lmao!! Do you
have any idea of how much they weigh?? We'll have to grab a video of 14 of us
loading them up, hehehe.
Being there would be quite a savings in freight for me to haul them back it
would be worth the effort. When you get the time, fill me in on their
condition and what you're looking to have done as you have now got me excited!
Hey Ryan S. you see this>15" motors, lmao!!
Joliet bound Wednesday
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
Your first Wieenie award HAS to go to everyone who didn't vote in the
NEDRA election !
How much room is there in the bed of the pickup? I have those two 15"
dia x 22" custom motors that we need to get working on.
If I can get them to Chicago maybe you can take them back to your shop.
Shawn Lawless
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From: Jim Husted
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:10:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
Hey all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We just picked up some new projects that are going to preclude us
from
> preparing the OJ-2 for race time.
> ...the OJ is hanging on the wall unfinished and untested.
> Additionally, I stole the disconnect/ breaker box and "OH ____" lever
> for the Monster Garage project. We have not had time to build and
> install a new one. So OJ is out for Chicago
John Wayland wrote:
>Say it isn't so! Getting to finally see your machine in person was to
be
>one of the highlights for me on this very long cross country trip.
I bummed out over this email also when I read it today 8^ (
In fact when I told my wife Amy that Orange Juice wasn't going to
attend she
replied that's Shawn Lawless right? (She actually is listening to me
when I
talk, lmao) I guess I wanted to chime in here with I mirror John in
that I was
looking forward to meeting the man and the machine 8^ )
I also want to acknowlege how much effort it takes to attend an
EVent. I just
took a call from Matt Graham and being he's got his hands full at this
minute
(hope he doesn't mind) I'll add to his last post with news that his
shafts are
not looking good. Although he appeared calm he has got to be in freak
mode
right now. He's going to swap motor positions and get some harder keys
and
hopefully reassemble EVerything to make the Joliet race in time.
Matt's an
awesome guy and I hope he makes it, as it just might be the only time I
get to
see his car in person. He actually was glad it happened now rather
than to tow
it to the race and then have it break.
I'll be attending as a spectator as will be Bob Rice and others so
even if you
can't get the Juice monster up maybe just come out to support the race??
As a matter of fact it seems everyone is in freak mode and if one
includes
both the Gone Postal and the MG tapings and what I've seen at the
Wayland juice
bar prior to races it suggests you guys like it that way, lmao!! I'll
echo John
also in that I can't believe that you, Wayland, Tim, Marko, Father
Time, Myself,
and a dozon other amp heads couldn't botton up OJ before the race.
I also run my own business and know how it is but, If you don't make
the race
I'm going to issue my first Hi-Torque Wiennie Award 8^ P
With the rough seas weathered by NEDRA of late I believe it needs all
the
support it can get and now is the time to show that support. For those
with
longer trips just picture John, Tim and I crammed into my pickup for 3
days of
driving!
I'm pumped can't wait till next Wednesday.
(Wayland what the hell you doing reading this, get back to work on
the Zombie)
hehehe!
Cya all (hopefully)
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Steve, your picture mowbatmoni shows what looks like battery monitors, what
/ where etc did you come up with these? The look pretty heavy duty.
Hey, I recognize those! I built them from the PCB up. They were the
original set of regs in the 200sx. They are MK2's modified to have
fans. Steve gave them a loving home so I could play around with other
regs. I don't think I knew that they were going on the mower though. Cool.
-Ryan
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From: "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: Optima battery contest
> Hi All,
>
> I ran across a posting that Optima Batteries is having a contest. Optima
is
> looking for a car that deserves $50,000 worth of performance upgrades.
> What are they waiting for? The White Zombie and Blue Meenie fill their
wish list. Maybe not for performance upgrades, they have bim DONE for
them<g>!
My two Optimas worth.
Bob
> <go to www.optimafullride.com and submit a photo of their vehicle and a
> 200-word story on why their vehicle deserves the "Full Ride". Industry
> experts, using the following criteria: originality, clarity and adherence
to
> theme, will select five finalists to be considered for the grand prize.>
>
> Hmmmm.
>
> <"OPTIMA Batteries provide the long lasting power needed to run many of
the
> electronics and accessories being added to vehicles today. Auto and truck
> enthusiasts are installing OPTIMA's at the same time they're adding other
> high-performance parts like brakes, exhausts systems, stereo systems,
wheels
> and tires.">
>
> Anyone running Optimas, or in mid conversion, or have a nice car running
> flooded lead acid? Tell them that Optimas will make your car go!
>
> Details: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060501/clm522.html?.v=27
>
> Cliff
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
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Steve,
I also know of two electric 914s (i.e. already converted) that are for sale.
Stephen Taylor in Atlanta has one for sale, and Jerry Pohorsky out in Santa
Clara, California also has one for sale. Let me know if that might be of
any interest and I will pass along their contact info.
I seem to recall that Paul Liddle gave me a good website listing 914s for
sale about a year ago. I'll see if I can dig that out of my files. If I
find it, I'll pass that along as well.
Charles
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From: "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: looking for doner car
Steve,
I'll pass by my local 914 specialist today (about a mile from my place) and
see if they've got any 914s lying around in various states of disrepair that
they'd be willing to part with, which they usually do. How nice a body does
your customer want?; how much corrosion will he accept?; how much is he
willing to pay for the donor car?
Charles
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From: "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:29 AM
Subject: looking for doner car
>I have somebody you wants to convert a Porsche 914 , I'd like to find one
>with a bad motor and good interior , is there a car wanted web site ? any
>other ways of locating cars ? steve clunn
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Just an FYI, the 6th Annual NEDRA Power of DC event is just a month
away on Sunday June 4.
So there is plenty of time to get your rides ready for this event.
As the list of sponsors and racers finalizes I will send out another
message soon on who's coming out.
See you all in at the NEDRA High Voltage Nationals and hopefully at the
Power of DC.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc.com
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Steve,
I found that website that Paul had recommended to me over a year ago. Check
out http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com and then do a search on Porsche
914. There are currently 40 Porsche 914s listed there for sale in the US, 3
of them in Florida.
Charles
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From: "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: looking for doner car
Steve,
I also know of two electric 914s (i.e. already converted) that are for sale.
Stephen Taylor in Atlanta has one for sale, and Jerry Pohorsky out in Santa
Clara, California also has one for sale. Let me know if that might be of
any interest and I will pass along their contact info.
I seem to recall that Paul Liddle gave me a good website listing 914s for
sale about a year ago. I'll see if I can dig that out of my files. If I
find it, I'll pass that along as well.
Charles
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From: "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: looking for doner car
Steve,
I'll pass by my local 914 specialist today (about a mile from my place) and
see if they've got any 914s lying around in various states of disrepair that
they'd be willing to part with, which they usually do. How nice a body does
your customer want?; how much corrosion will he accept?; how much is he
willing to pay for the donor car?
Charles
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From: "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:29 AM
Subject: looking for doner car
>I have somebody you wants to convert a Porsche 914 , I'd like to find one
>with a bad motor and good interior , is there a car wanted web site ? any
>other ways of locating cars ? steve clunn
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Joel,
I suppose if you really wanted to you could use solar to charge the
mower but to be even reasonably effective (at least in Ohio) it would
need to be a large roof mounted unit or some sort of solar storage shed
or tent not something mounted on the mower.
Shawn Lawless
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From: Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:31:08 -0500
Subject: Re: converting a gas mower to electric
Shawn,
Why the solar panel...isn't that like a squirt
gun against a fire-hydrant...
If I were a customer of yours, why should I have to
pay the extra money for something that will take a
week to recharge my batteries when I have a 60 Amp
charger specifically designed for the mower in my
garage?
Also, isn't that a little too fragile to be riding
on a lawnmower? I don't know about you, but when
I mow with a lawn/garden tractor, I'm always scruffing
bushes, ducking under low trees and anything else
I can do to get away from a huge clean up job with
my string trimmer...how would this affect a solar panel?
Just some questions...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve,
> I'll challenge you for the most satisfied EV mower owner spot.
While my > EV grin is certainly present while driving something that is
used for > transportation, you and I have both realized that looking at
a lawn you > have just cut almost silently, for a fraction of the cost,
is one of the > ultimate EV rushes. What's even better though is
watching the SMILE, > (Yes I said Smile) on my wife's face as she is
tooling around the yard > on the ZEROMOW. To have a wife that enjoys
cutting the grass is the > holy grail of marital bliss. I encourage
anyone that is thinking about > an electric mower to take the plunge.
Build one, Buy one, just get one. > You won't regret it!
> Caution: Shameless ZEROMOW plug to follow:
The ZEROMOW EV zero-turn mower project is moving forward. I will be >
updating the website in the near future but the gist is this.
2 production prototypes are being built for this year's 2006 >
International Lawn and Garden Show in Louisville. These will be VERY >
close to the actual production units to follow. Last year we dove into
> the mower scene. This year we are going to Cannonball the ICE mower
world.
> Shawn Lawless
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From: steve clunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:01:20 -0400
Subject: Re: converting a gas mower to electric
> .Hi Mike I may be the most satisfied Ev mower owner on the list , I
use > mine for my lawn business somthing cutting more that 10 yards a
day with > it. you can see my mower 1/2 down the page at >
http://www.grassrootsev.com/projects.htm > I've cut lawns so thin that
no gas mower could tuch them. But as I have > a 8" net gain motor and
120v 400 amp crutis con troller ( yes this would > run a car :-) and am
running 96v , 8 orbitals, > >> > > You could buy one used; or look at
one to get ideas for doing your > >>> own conversion. >>
>> That's the recommendation I'm getting frequently. There are a
couple > > > within an hours drive from here that I may look at. I like
tinkering > > though, so I find it more appealing to convert my gas
mower to > electric - > especially if I could do it for roughly the
same cost as > buying a 30 year > old electric tractor and bringing it
back to working > condition. > > I think your right here , restoring
can be costly , finding the right > parts ect , where the mower you
showed is commen , the elec trak is a > little like the ev 1 , a great
mower but not common . > > I'd like > >> to get a rough idea of how
much it might cost me to do the > > gas-electric > conversion to
compare to the cost of buying one of those > old Elec-Traks > (another
drawback as I see it for the elec-traks is > that most have a front >
mount mower deck rather than under the belly, > which would make it
more > difficult to fit into our garage). > > yep , > >> >>
The garden tractor style of riding lawm mower is the best start. >
> Cheap > >>> riding mowers are too flimsily built, and can't carry
enough > > batteries > >>> to bother with. >>
> > The mower you have would do fine , don't get to hung up on
loading it > down with batteies , as a home owner , you could mow for
15 minites then > charge and do other stuff , mow , charge , mow charge
. > > >> The one I have is the same as this one: >>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7761400583&category=50
377&fkxs=1 > >> It's a 14.5 hp tractor with a 42" deck. It seems very
sturdy, and > > should > have room for at least 4 12V batteries (or
possibly 6 6v or 8v) > batteries. > I'm wondering if it would be better
to salvage a motor, > controller, etc. > from an old electric golf
cart, or find new/used > ones. Hell, I could > probably make my own
controller I suppose.... > >> > > yes a golf cart motor would work, if
you can fine one with a shaft > instead of a hole, and the old coil of
wire controller the used is also > good , I went with the orbitals ,
cus my discharge is less that an hour, > and I needed the voltage to be
hi so as to be close to my EV trucks > voltage for dump charging , > >
>>> A friend and I converted his old Wheel Horse garden tractor to > >
electric. > >>> It was a pretty simple process. We replaced the dead
8hp gas engine > > with > >>> a 1.5hp 24v electric motor, and a
separate 24v 3/4hp motor for the > > mower > >>> deck. We initially
used two 12v deep-cycle batteries, but mowing time >>> was too short
(20 minutes). We replaced these to four 6v golf cart >>
>> Does it have a manual or hydrostatic tranny? This gas mower has a
> > > hydrostatic (automatic) tranny. I'm not at all familiar with
those, so > I'm > not sure how the motor will attach to it. > >> > > I
have the hydrostatic tranny's also , I'd go with one bigger motor and >
put it right where the gas was , . > As Rod Hower told me when I was on
the fence , Go for it , , and I did :-) > I don't know what was more
fun , seeing Bob Rice smoke the tires on my > race truck or mowing the
lawn with my ev mower , > steve clunn > > >> > > >
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Steve,
I'll pass by my local 914 specialist today (about a mile from my place) and
see if they've got any 914s lying around in various states of disrepair that
they'd be willing to part with, which they usually do. How nice a body does
your customer want?; how much corrosion will he accept?; how much is he
willing to pay for the donor car?
Charles
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From: "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:29 AM
Subject: looking for doner car
I have somebody you wants to convert a Porsche 914 , I'd like to find one
with a bad motor and good interior , is there a car wanted web site ? any
other ways of locating cars ? steve clunn
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If you can take the motors with you I'll be glad to pay your $50.00
membership fee!
I'll try to get some photos to you today of the motors.
Shawn
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From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
Hey Shawn
Being I didn't vote I guess my first Wiennie award goes to me. In as
much as
I intended to get myself a membership it has failed to materialize yet.
Being a
new business I could $50.00 dollar myself to death, lmao. With that
said I do
try to help all I can so maybe I'm just 1/2 a wiennie, lmao!!
First I remember hearing about you having 15" motors but if you get
them to
the race I'll make sure I got room to haul them back. I'll have to
listen to
Wayland bitchin about loss in gas milage but I got ear plugs, lmao!!
Do you
have any idea of how much they weigh?? We'll have to grab a video of
14 of us
loading them up, hehehe.
Being there would be quite a savings in freight for me to haul them
back it
would be worth the effort. When you get the time, fill me in on their
condition
and what you're looking to have done as you have now got me excited!
Hey Ryan
S. you see this>15" motors, lmao!!
Joliet bound Wednesday
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
Your first Wieenie award HAS to go to everyone who didn't vote in the
NEDRA election !
How much room is there in the bed of the pickup? I have those two 15"
dia x 22" custom motors that we need to get working on.
If I can get them to Chicago maybe you can take them back to your shop.
Shawn Lawless
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From: Jim Husted
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:10:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
Hey all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We just picked up some new projects that are going to preclude us
from
preparing the OJ-2 for race time.
...the OJ is hanging on the wall unfinished and untested.
Additionally, I stole the disconnect/ breaker box and "OH ____" lever
for the Monster Garage project. We have not had time to build and
install a new one. So OJ is out for Chicago
John Wayland wrote:
Say it isn't so! Getting to finally see your machine in person was to
be
one of the highlights for me on this very long cross country trip.
I bummed out over this email also when I read it today 8^ (
In fact when I told my wife Amy that Orange Juice wasn't going to
attend she
replied that's Shawn Lawless right? (She actually is listening to me
when I
talk, lmao) I guess I wanted to chime in here with I mirror John in
that I was
looking forward to meeting the man and the machine 8^ )
I also want to acknowlege how much effort it takes to attend an
EVent. I just
took a call from Matt Graham and being he's got his hands full at this
minute
(hope he doesn't mind) I'll add to his last post with news that his
shafts are
not looking good. Although he appeared calm he has got to be in freak
mode
right now. He's going to swap motor positions and get some harder keys
and
hopefully reassemble EVerything to make the Joliet race in time.
Matt's an
awesome guy and I hope he makes it, as it just might be the only time I
get to
see his car in person. He actually was glad it happened now rather
than to tow
it to the race and then have it break.
I'll be attending as a spectator as will be Bob Rice and others so
even if you
can't get the Juice monster up maybe just come out to support the race??
As a matter of fact it seems everyone is in freak mode and if one
includes
both the Gone Postal and the MG tapings and what I've seen at the
Wayland juice
bar prior to races it suggests you guys like it that way, lmao!! I'll
echo John
also in that I can't believe that you, Wayland, Tim, Marko, Father
Time, Myself,
and a dozon other amp heads couldn't botton up OJ before the race.
I also run my own business and know how it is but, If you don't make
the race
I'm going to issue my first Hi-Torque Wiennie Award 8^ P
With the rough seas weathered by NEDRA of late I believe it needs all
the
support it can get and now is the time to show that support. For those
with
longer trips just picture John, Tim and I crammed into my pickup for 3
days of
driving!
I'm pumped can't wait till next Wednesday.
(Wayland what the hell you doing reading this, get back to work on
the Zombie)
hehehe!
Cya all (hopefully)
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Hi
This might be an area where that tool coating could be used... just
dip it down part way into the threads, coating the head and shaft and
then blob a small amt of silicon on it to seal. Make sure you use a
larger socket or a open end to tighten it.
Tom
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I believe the term you are wanting is Parkerized.
I have seen some companies just use a heavy grease to seal the
exposed
metal, anything to keep the corrosive atmosphere away from the
exposed
surface, although it is somewhate messy.
respectfully,
John
58 Harley Servicar conversion in progress
www.indele.com
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From: "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVDL post" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Ford bolts, ie. battery clamp bolts
> Hello All,
>
> When I put together my new pack of US125s about a year ago, I
> ordered new fastener hardware for the automotive post clamps. My
> old bolts and nuts were pretty rusty after sitting for several
> years next to the cell caps. So the fellow EV'er that was
> helping me said that I could get Ford bolts (4-sided bolt heads)
> from our local US Battery rep (where I had just bought the new
> batts). I ordered the new bolts, which are dark grey because of
> a process called pokarization (sic? - I need to get that spelling
> down). The problem with the new set is that the bolts were too
> long, sticking out well beyond the side of the automotive clamp,
> running interference with the closest cell cover. So we
> shortened the bolts down, and we painted (Rustoleum red) the cut,
> since the pokarization is only a surface treatment, or so I'm
> told. Well, after about a year the fumes from the cells is
> attacking some of the cut bolt ends, and it's getting to be a
> rather ugly powdery mess under the lug covers that I really don't
> like to have to clean up every monthly battery maintenance
> session. Any suggestions as to where I can get correct-length
> bolts, or do you all think that stainless steel might work? I
> tried Google-ing "pokarized", "Ford bolts", etc. but didn't get
> very far. Hex bolts won't work, I think, because the automotive
> clamp has that flat bevel to keep the bolt head from turning when
> you turn the nut on the other end. Maybe I should bug the US
> Battery rep again, but I think he gave me what he had, and that
> is that.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
> Chuck Hursch
> Larkspur, CA
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
> http://www.geocities.com/chursch/bizcard.bmp
>
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Peter VanDerWal wrote:
The point isn't that it's difficult to achieve, the point is that it's a
dangerously stupid requirement.
This us probably why the OEM chargers do NOT incorporate this feature.
See, even the OEM chargers, Magnacharge/Avcon, don't meet the requirements
outlined by Art 625.
A more effective means of preventing "drive-off" is to disable the
vehicle's controller while on charge. A NC switch is used on the EV's
charge-port door, and the drivetrain is simply not allowed to function
while that door-switch is open.
This supervisory control over the drivetrain is not covered by NEC (of
course, since its completely in the domain of the vehicle), but it might
be specified somewhere in SAE J1772.
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Speaking of J1772, are there any SAE members on the list, who might
negotiate a limited free distribution of that document?
I've seen other automotive (manufacturer) sites which offered a list of
available SAE PDF's (related to their market/technology) for *free*,
based on an agreement with SAE. It would be nice if somebody with some
SAE pull could become a nexus for SAE docs related to EV's (and
conversions).
Jim
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At 01:22 AM 5/5/2006, you wrote:
i am really stunned by the massive accelertion possible in
the micro width TANGO .. based on a high power high torque
dc motor driving the rear wheels .. power comes from the
battery
the acceleration is enormouse
but .. and this is a prophesy (just kiddin') :
EV's using pentadyne type of EMB's will be capable of
accelerations which will make the Tango look like a
kid playing with roller skates and wanting to 'go' like
the feraris !
..peekay
(i sure don't see no posts commenting on the TANGO ..
the 'commercial' EV of the personal transporting type
which is already being launched for sale in usa and canada ..
neither ain't there no comments on the 'indian' REVA ..
which is the only leading normal sized mini car in the lower
range .. with modest acceleration, nominal range .. yet
good enough for more than 90% car users .. we don't really
commute all that much .. we may want to .. but usually
land up not doing it)
If you would stop with the "flywheels are better then everything else" and
do some looking around in the lists archives (like real research) you would
know that the guy who did the battery charging system for the Tango posts
to the list almost every day, and Rick himself drops in now and then.
__________
Andre' B. Clear Lake, Wi.
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It is no doubt wishful thinking but I did fill out the form on their website.
I would be glad just to have a set of their yellow tops for my conversion!
Unfortunately today there is a mentality that the only cars that deserve
recognition are ones that need to be "pimped" with meaningless gagetry, giant
stereos, and headers for the gas guzzling engines they contain.
I have had to struggle all the way through my project to fund it. I suppose I
will appreciate it more, having done it all myself when I get to drive it down
the street.
Mark Ward
St. Charles, MO
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
---- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:41 AM
> Subject: Optima battery contest
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I ran across a posting that Optima Batteries is having a contest. Optima
> is
> > looking for a car that deserves $50,000 worth of performance upgrades.
>
> > What are they waiting for? The White Zombie and Blue Meenie fill their
> wish list. Maybe not for performance upgrades, they have bim DONE for
> them<g>!
>
> My two Optimas worth.
>
> Bob
> > <go to www.optimafullride.com and submit a photo of their vehicle and a
> > 200-word story on why their vehicle deserves the "Full Ride". Industry
> > experts, using the following criteria: originality, clarity and adherence
> to
> > theme, will select five finalists to be considered for the grand prize.>
> >
> > Hmmmm.
> >
> > <"OPTIMA Batteries provide the long lasting power needed to run many of
> the
> > electronics and accessories being added to vehicles today. Auto and truck
> > enthusiasts are installing OPTIMA's at the same time they're adding other
> > high-performance parts like brakes, exhausts systems, stereo systems,
> wheels
> > and tires.">
> >
> > Anyone running Optimas, or in mid conversion, or have a nice car running
> > flooded lead acid? Tell them that Optimas will make your car go!
> >
> > Details: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060501/clm522.html?.v=27
> >
> > Cliff
> > www.ProEV.com
> >
> >
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I replaced the clutch in my truck with a Clutchnet kevlar unit about a
year ago. It worked for a while, then the master cylinder failed, which
I replaced. After that, the clutch would never release entirely. I've
been driving it in this condition since then, not wanting to lay on the
garage floor to take down the transmission again. Getting the rear
transmission support member down is a real pain, particularly the bolts
that hold it in.
I finally found a shop that was willing to work on the clutch problem.
The Clutch (and brake) Doctor in Beaverton is a small shop with a very
engaging and energetic manager, Erik. I brought in the truck and
explained the situation to Erik. It turns out that he has a racing
background and has even worked on some EVs in California. No problem,
he says. Just leave it to him. The results are amazing. The clutch
works great. I had recycled the pressure plate from the last clutch as
it looked good to me. It turns out that the diaphram had failed. The
pilot bushing was also wearing out. Erik measured the EVCC pilot and
discovered that it wasn't a stock size. Further more, it was tighter
than a press fit. He had to break it apart to get it out. Then, he
machined a stock pilot bearing, not a bushing this time, to fit back in
the retainer. Shifting is smooth and quiet now. He even fixed the
torque reaction straps that I have added to prevent the transmission
from rocking around during acceleration.
Erik also put in some new brakes. Bendix extreme duty front pads, which
have helped the stopping a lot.
I mentioned to Erik that I might want to have the tranmission worked on
some time in the future, reduced from a 5 speed to a 3 speed with
reverse. He says he can do that also.
Paul Wallace
'91 Chevy S-10 full of SAFT nicads
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Hi Mike I may be the most satisfied Ev mower owner on the list , I use
mine for my lawn business somthing cutting more that 10 yards a day with
it.
you can see my mower 1/2 down the page at
http://www.grassrootsev.com/projects.htm
That's a sweet machine Steve. I don't really need (or want) *that* much
power, but it's impressive nonetheless.
The mower you have would do fine , don't get to hung up on loading it
down
with batteies , as a home owner , you could mow for 15 minites then
charge
and do other stuff , mow , charge , mow charge .
I'd like to have enough battery capacity to do the entire yard in one
charge preferably - roughly 0.5-0.7 acre (not sure how much when you
factor inthe landscaped out areas), which takes me about 30 minutes on the
riding mower with the gas engine.
I'm thinking that I may push the project off until winter, so I can take
my time working on it in my basement (assuming I can get the tractor down
there through the bulkhead :) ). That way I could take my time scrounging
for parts cheap on ebay also.
I've seen a big variation in the motor hp people recommend for this sort
of conversion (and compared to the Elec-Traks), from 1/2 hp up to 10 hp.
So, I'm a little confused about what to shoot for. I'd prefer to not have
any controller, instead running the electric motor at a constant speed
(perhaps controlled by an on-dash throttle, as is currently done with the
gas engine), with the foot pedal controlling ground speed. Yes, it's less
efficient than a direct drive approach, but I figure most of the time is
spent tooling around with the pedal to the metal anyway, so not a huge
amount of energy should be wasted, and it would be much easier I think.
But, I need to know what kind of hp I should shoot for in the motor. It
would be nice to run a 48V system to keep the current lower (i.e. I'm
figuring that a motor that gives me X hp (if that's what I need) at 48V
would be preferable to one that gives the same X hp at a lower voltage
(but higher current)).
So, before I being my gradual process of parts-shopping (since I
probably won't start the actual project until winter), can I get some
recommendations on what kind of peak hp to shoot for?
Thanks,
Mike
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Michael S. Briggs
UNH Physics Department
(603) 862-2828
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On Thu, 4 May 2006, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
EV Digest 5444
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV Charging station - invention disclosure
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EV digest 5440
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Wheels/Tires and rolling resistance (was Re: EV digest 5440)
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: A night at the Movies, MORE
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Orbital 34DC-36 and 34DC-48, differences and where to buy?
by Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Article 625
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Orbital 34DC-36 and 34DC-48, differences and where to buy?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Baylor)
14) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Raptor Overheating
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: converting a gas mower to electric, Off to the Races
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Small Brushless wheel motor idea
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Fw: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Raptor Overheating
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: converting a gas mower to electric
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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As a bonus for anyone going to the HV Nationals and has open truck space
on the way home, and who has always wanted an Elec-Trak garden
tractor... there is an E12 w/ mowing deck on eBay in Spring grove, IL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7764205646
along with the snow blower
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7764205302
both open at $1 w/ no reserve
Unfortunately I can't make the Chicago run to see the races :-(
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1997 Solectria Force
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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OK...
What a bout a runaway.. or a drive away.. Or roll away.
Or God forbid a GET it AWAY From the charger NOW emergency.
I would rather have a Firm interlock But it WILL release if you do hit the
end of the main cable.
NEC Art 625 expressly forbids this kind of a Stiff but firm Breakaway
Stinger.
Fools... I can see more than one reason for not making a Hard cable.
In Fact one of the main safety feature of Gasoline pumps is a breakaway
coupling with a locking relief valve.
This is the same thing we must have. Ripping the hot DC feed lines out of
the EV is a nightmare fail mode. EVs are Gonna roll away... from time to
time just like any other rolling vehicle.
Again.. NEC 625 is a partially thought out nightmare... With many of the
wrong measuring sticks used.
And yes my stinger interlock is a solid Cam locked connector. You could
probably pick up Goldie with it... Just like they want me to have...
And no I don't have one installed on Goldie. She has a on board Ac power
charger. The Fiero has Anderson SB 120, that will open under tension.
I am so hacked off my this kind of "You Shall" Crap that I most likely will
cross folks on it because it's just stupid....You gotta plan for
disasters... and have flexibility when dealing with them.
Passing laws and rules... doesn't make the problem go away... Planning for
them lets you live through a Event.
625-9D is one of those items....
You can argue this concept... But.. What would you want to work with????
On a roll away.. the pilot or support logic should open at the first sign of
tension... in Milliseconds the charger should Crash stop it self. The
coupling on the EV should disengage... The cable should lie there
powered down except for the low level logic telegraphing... "Open Stinger
shut down No EV found". The EV should survive this with no damage to the
charge port housing...
It is assumed that the charger has the logic and fusing to protect it
self. The EV may or may not have a DC charge feed fuse on it... so shorting
the EV port is the most dangerous thing that can happen.
How many of us have a Full voltage Short circuit rated DC fuse on our Charge
port????? Un hunnH ... not many hands out here right???
I have a $105 500 amp Rectifier fuse rated for 450 VDC and 18Kamp break on
the monster charger. Open one of these Puppies, and you go through your
lunch money in a hurry.
I was going to do a high watt run into the Fiero.. and realised that I did
not have the Feed back fuse installed. I aborted the test.. Even I am not
that Brave.
So Even "Hot wrench Rich".. realizes that NEC 625 doesn't cover everything..
There is stuff that I would Add to it, and much that I would Scrap.
So.. in all reality I get to make my own rules and Regs... It boils down to
no BS safety, and reasonable levels of Risk. Completely open for the Legal
set to send me up the river...
Much more to say... Some maybe I should not.
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:56 AM
Subject: RE: Article 625 Interlock
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I do not see the requirement for a locking connector in Art 625.
> > I think you are referring to Interlock:
>
> Go back and read it again carefully:
>
> 625-9.
> ...
> (d) Unintentional Disconnection. The electric vehicle
> coupler shall be provided with a positive means to prevent
> unintentional disconnection.
>
>
> --
> If you send email to me, or the EVDL, that has > 4 lines of legalistic
> junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I
> wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long
> legalistic signature is void.
>
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What ???
The Tango is traction limited... With really sticky tires... It could launch
even harder..
And a EMB... or a electro mechanical battery..AKA flywheel storage
battery... What are you going to gain???? Nothing!
The Emb EV will have the same traction limits that the Hi Po Ev Crowd
currently has.
If you actually think a EMB will store and realese power as fast as a Lead
Acid AGM battery... You are on a different planet that I am .
And under a diffrerent set of thermodynamic rules.
The EMB of any remoteley usable design that can release 500 Kw of power is
going to be TONs of equipment. Not the kind of power to weight ratio that
On road EVs can stand. A Buss maybe... Not a Tango class EV in my mind
anyways.
Madman
Lets keep the BS to a reasonable level here folks.
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From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:22 PM
Subject: the tango vs other EV's of the future ..
> i am really stunned by the massive accelertion possible in
> the micro width TANGO .. based on a high power high torque
> dc motor driving the rear wheels .. power comes from the
> battery
>
> the acceleration is enormouse
>
> but .. and this is a prophesy (just kiddin') :
>
> EV's using pentadyne type of EMB's will be capable of
> accelerations which will make the Tango look like a
> kid playing with roller skates and wanting to 'go' like
> the feraris !
>
> ..peekay
>
> (i sure don't see no posts commenting on the TANGO ..
> the 'commercial' EV of the personal transporting type
> which is already being launched for sale in usa and canada ..
> neither ain't there no comments on the 'indian' REVA ..
> which is the only leading normal sized mini car in the lower
> range .. with modest acceleration, nominal range .. yet
> good enough for more than 90% car users .. we don't really
> commute all that much .. we may want to .. but usually
> land up not doing it)
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
>
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