EV Digest 5659
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: high current stud fuse
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Another car show
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: First ride in my EV
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: BMS poll
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: First ride in my EV
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Another car show
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Gravely tractor conversion
by Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: BMS poll
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Another car show
by TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: "Who Killed...." Credibility - answer from Steve Cole Smith
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Aluminium battery 3000 cycles.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: "Who Killed...." Credibility - answer from Steve Cole Smith
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Aluminium battery 3000 cycles.
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) S10 model curb weight(s)
by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: TMS (Temp management system)
by Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Another car show
by "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: S10 model curb weight(s)
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: S10 model curb weight(s)
by "Steve Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Dc-DC converter/power supply
by "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Another car show
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Chris,
Thanks!!!!! That is the fuse I have samples of that I
need to try (and have a source for now!). I guess
this is a hail mary to save controls that the
transportation community commonly connect with reverse
polarity. I wonder what Otmar would think about
people connecting positive to negative and powering
up? It happens very often with the people that use my
BLDC controls for my product. You can always use a big
diode to protect the control, but were talking about
big power losses and cost. The best alternative is a
contactor to check out the situation before powering
up, like most EV conversions should have, but this is
also another added cost that my customers don't want
(but maybe I should be requiring!)
Rod
--- Chris Brune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rod,
> We use this style of fuse at work. The ones we use
> are made by Pudenz which
> I guess has been bought by Littelfuse.
>
>
http://www.littelfuse.com/cgi-bin/r.cgi/prod_series.html?SeriesID=3098
>
> Use with caution, if you don't get the insulators
> setup correctly, you don't
> have a fuse. We've had problems with people in the
> field not implementing
> them correctly.
>
> Regards,
> Chris Brune
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:47 AM
> Subject: high current stud fuse
>
>
> > If you look at page 2,
> > http://www.antares.co.uk/pdf_files/pub109_7.pdf
> > They have 'high current stud fuses'
> > The terminal passes through the fuse.
> > One side connectes to the terminal and the other
> side
> > connects to a ring terminal (from your power
> source)
> > and
> > has a nylon washer for insulation from the
> terminal.
> >
> > Does anybody know of a similar fuse by a different
> > vendor?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rod
> >
>
>
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Ken: Based on my very limited experience...
Any show, car show, Earthday or whatever... keep close to your vehicle. It's
best if you can bring along another person to spell you, or come as a group.
Auto shows aren't the circus (quite) that are alternate energy gatherings
(at least locally) but you do have to keep an eye on the gawkers... and
answer lots of questions. Hand outs are a great idea.
Having a car you might be interested in seeing in a show is a big plus. Even
if it's not perfect, detailing it (at least throwing out the McDonald's
wrappers) is a good idea. <g>
You do have to watch some people. Especially the kids and the people who
have little brain power. That's why car shows are sometimes a good idea...
folks seem to believe that they can't tear off part of the car to take home
with them, or jump in the seats, or try to tip it over. Some folks are
interested, to others thing it's a circus event, showing an EV... comic
relief. To those, they expect you to juggle, wear a clown suit, and tell
them life is all rosy and perfect. "Sure, you can buy an EV for $49, go 3000
miles on a charge, and never have to worry about maintenance. I'll build you
one tonight." That sort of thing.
This latter group wouldn't be happy if you hung them with a new rope. (Not a
bad idea, but not practical... too many new ropes.) So you have to keep your
sense of humor. You have to explain (dozens of times) why you can't hook up
a windmill, PV, or generator to the tires... that sort of thing. (I usually
smiled and said, "Good idea.") When someone decides to stand in your seat
and get their picture taken out the sunroof (or 4 of them sit on your hood
for the same effect) you have to explain this is *MY* car... politely... no
fire arms allowed.
Mostly, it was a matter of listening to some extremely rude induhviduals...
right in your face (or behind your back as if you couldn't hear them)
telling everyone "What a waste of money. Can't go 80MPH for 300 miles like
*my* car.)
That was a few years ago. Things may have changed.
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I am considering registering for a local car show that will be taking
> place in the Austin, TX area July 29
> http://www.samuelsjewelers.com/carshow/index.php.
> >
> > I have been to lots of car shows (been a car buff all my life), but, I
> have never seen an EV at one. I know there are local EV's in the area and
I
> >
> > Ken
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Congrats on a successful first weekend! I look forward to reading more.
BTW, I got a real chuckle out of your VOM test. It reminded me of the test
"my" tech was doing on a misfire, years ago. He's reaching down w/ his
meter, testing wires, and gets across the problem... an arcing spark plug
wire. He came shooting out, the meter "sparanging" against the hood and
flying away.
My buddy looks over his shoulder and says, in his drawl, "Hmm... have a bit
of a problem?"
W/o a beat, the tech says, "Nope... just doesn't take me long to find the
trouble."
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From: "Dana Havranek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oh, just before that I checked the pack voltage with my VOM set on the 10
amp range. That was fun. Still seeing a funny bright white ball when I close
my eyes.
>
> Dana
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John,
Thanks!
Please give some details about your chargers.
Mike
--- John Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have 2 data points for the poll. One wet, and one dry.
> One without any individual battery treatment on charge and
> one with. My Karmann Ghia's first pack was Trojan 27TMHs
> charged with a K&W charger. The pack lasted 3 years and
> 8045 miles. The current pack is Optima YTs with individual
> chargers. The pack is 10 years old, and has so far accumulated
> 6141 miles, and still running strong!
>
> .....John
>
>
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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Yup - I also have a DVM with an inside coating of metal film.
I wanted to measure the charging current going into the
batteries before hooking up the charger for an overnight
charge. I missed that I had the charger + to the battery -
so I tried to short 700V with my 10A unfused meter.
The weakest point apparently was the metal strip from the
wire plugs into the PCB, because almost 1/2 inch vaporized.
The sharp tips of the test leads also vaporized and that
is why I saw a little plasma ball still dancing before my
eyes hours later.
The 250A fuses did not open (luckily) as that would only
have increased the damage and cost a lot of time to fix.
The DVM was rather cheap, although I liked it....
Grilled DVM anybody?
Cor van de Water
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Michael Perry
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: First ride in my EV
Congrats on a successful first weekend! I look forward to reading more.
BTW, I got a real chuckle out of your VOM test. It reminded me of the test
"my" tech was doing on a misfire, years ago. He's reaching down w/ his
meter, testing wires, and gets across the problem... an arcing spark plug
wire. He came shooting out, the meter "sparanging" against the hood and
flying away.
My buddy looks over his shoulder and says, in his drawl, "Hmm... have a bit
of a problem?"
W/o a beat, the tech says, "Nope... just doesn't take me long to find the
trouble."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Havranek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oh, just before that I checked the pack voltage with my VOM set on the 10
amp range. That was fun. Still seeing a funny bright white ball when I close
my eyes.
>
> Dana
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BTW, who is The Toecutter. That was an excellent post, references
and all.
Funny you should mention "Toecutter". Last year I built an electric
chopper called "Toe Cutter"
http://www.skootercommuter.com/photos/toecutter400.jpg
http://www.skootercommuter.com/photos/toecutter_lf_800.jpg
I spoked a high-speed Heinzmann Hubmotor to the front rim (taken from
a Giant Stilleto Chopper) and painted it anodized red to match the
rear rim, painted matching flame pinstripes on the NiMH battery pack
then decked it out with red neon lighting and air horns. The purpose
of the project was to create a "Mad Max" type electric chopper and
make it totally audacious. It won 1st place in its category at the
Taste of Bethesda Automotive Show last year. It's based on a Schwinn
Spoiler.
Did a couple more choppers, this time, based on Giant Stilettos.
Stiletto with a Heinzmann hubmotor on the front rim
http://www.skootercommuter.com/photos/elec_stiletto_280.jpg
Stiletto with a Heinzmann hubmotor on the back rim
http://www.scooterwerks.com/photos/stiletto/stiletto_rwd_rt_400.jpg
Anyway, "Toecutter" is a cool name.
Chip Gribben
ScooterWerks
http://www.scooterwerks.com
ScooterCommuter Repair Technician
http://www.scootercommuter.com
NEDRA Webmaster
http://www.nedra.com
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Hello John,
This is a neat question. I am a "Gravely nut" in remission and it never
occurred to me to convert one. I always liked the sound (the harley of
lawn tractors) and using the xtra long pull rope to start the puppy.
Actually, it may be a good candidate. The constant RPM is perfect for
electric motors since they have an rpm sweet spot where they are most
efficient (around 2500). If you use the wagon, (we had the old wooden one
when I was a kid) you can easily fit a battery pack in it for extended
work time. I think if needed you could even put some extra batteries in a
modified Sulky also. The problem is the engine block is part of the
structure but you could remove the jug and maybe just use a chain
connected to the stock crank. I dont recall if the crankcase of the
engine is separated from the gearbox, if so, you can remove the engine
completely and make a frame to take its place and mount a motor with a
coupler. If you are serious and need some help contact me off list.
I always wanted to have one set up with the Sulky and sickle bar up front
knowing that any growth up to 1 inch diameter is game!!
Good Luck,
Jimmy
> From: JCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Gravely tractor conversion
>
> From: John
> During the process of converting my truck (over the past 2 years or
> so) I have been discussing the project with my brother who is a
> "Gravely Tractor Fanatic". It seems that my incessant suggestions of
> converting anything and everything to electric has piqued his
> interest, and the possibility of a quite tractor sealed the deal for
> my sister-in-law.
>
> Checking the EVAlbum, I don't see any gravely or other walk behind
> conversions to use as models.
>
> From the brief discussions I have had with my brother it seems the
> gravely requires a constant RPM. Does this represent a significant
> issue?
>
> John
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Thank you Roland. Now everytime a newbie asks how to do it this will serve
nicely. Lawrence Rhodes....
SNIP
> Every 6 months I do a balance charge of 233 volts per 180 volts of
batteries at 80 degrees F. Sometimes, I may have to bring up a battery
that is 0.04 volts out of balance with one of the highest readings of one
battery. It only takes about a minute with a separate 6 volt smart charger.
>
> Roland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence Rhodes<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: BMS poll
>
>
> Roland. As I remember you have very specific rules and routines
concerning
> your battery's care. Could you please go over them to the group once
again
> or direct us to those former words of wisdom from you? I am assuming
you
> are using US Batteries. I'd like to know the model. Watering
procedure.
> Charge rate or any other information that will prolong the life of these
> batteries. I know your usage is low & if this is one of the reason's
you
> have such long life from your batteries. It seems every aspect from
bolt
> torque to watering & charging procedure affects the life of a lead acid
> battery. I have had mixed results from my flooded battery usage. Also
if
> you have ideas on picking a battery for more miles per day vs.few miles
per
> day. Thanks. Lawrence Rhodes.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: BMS poll
>
>
> > I have none, after 5 years, 30 of my T-145's are still in with 0.02
volts
> of each other with over 20 in the 0.01 volt range. I am going for over
10
> years to break my old record.
> >
> > If any one batteries get more than 0.04 volts from each other, than
about
> every six months, I will charge that one with a smart charger for about
1
> minute.
> >
> > Roland
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike
Phillips<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > To:
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:14 PM
> > Subject: BMS poll
> >
> >
> > It's easy enough to find out from the list admin how many people are
on
> > this list. So I thought a poll is appropriate to see how many have
> > something attached to each battery that is active in managing the
> > battery pack. One charger per battery counts. Having a fancy charger
> > alone does not count.
> >
> > So how many folks on this last have bms on their battery pack?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's to the crazy ones.
> > The misfits.
> > The rebels.
> > The troublemakers.
> > The round pegs in the square holes.
> > The ones who see things differently
> > The ones that change the world!!
> >
> >
www.RotorDesign.com<http://www.rotordesign.com/<http://www.rotordesign.com<h
ttp://www.rotordesign.com/>>
> >
>
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The 500WH/mile comes from the Avcon charger
record and the mileage from my GPS unit. The Avcon
reports in whole KillaWattHours. But the number comes
up between 450 and 550 just about every day. I chalk
the variance up to wind and stoplights. My commute is
~7 miles each way, I was charging every 14 miles to
start with. Based on input from the list I now charge
twice a day, every 7 miles. Plus or minus an extra 10
miles here or there depending on errands.
The suspension is stock, and it's just within the
ratings for the truck. I'm not sure if I understand
what you mean by 3 times the range of the ice...
It looks like you're tooling around in a rather
unique EV yourself, where did it's name come from?
TiM
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I disagree, not surprisingly, with your statement that my column was not
"credible," because I failed to mention several reasons why GM did not lease
more than 700. If you read the column, and I am not certain you did, you
would have found several of your concerns addressed, such as: You say the
car was available at only two locations in the "entire world," which is
incorrect. I did speak of the limited availability, which was essentially
confined to two states, with a population total of 50 million people, not
"two locations." The bottom line is that this was not a story about the EV1,
but a story about a movie. I'm not certain you understood that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: "Who Killed...." Credibility
I used Bill Dube's info to write a "letter to the editor"
of Edmunds.com, see below my sig.
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to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I read Steven Cole Smith's article about "Who Killed the
Electric Car?" and it seems that he failed to reveal the
whole truth. His article quotes GM saying "in four years,
the company was only able to lease about 700 EV1s."
What he did not mention was the multitude of obstacles
that GM placed in the path of would-be buyers.
Even the most popular car model would not do well if:
1) It was available only at two locations in the entire world.
2) It was not for sale, you could only lease it.
3) An income over $100,000 was required to qualify for a lease.
4) To qualify for a lease, you had to pass a written test.
5) After qualifying, you may or may not be granted a car lease.
6) You had to live within 50 miles of one of the two dealerships.
7) You had to wait a year to get one.
In short, GM deliberately limited the EV1 to a series of 700 cars.
The article didn't mention any of this. Not a very credible
article, I would say.
(part of the information above was presented at the EV discussion
list at http://madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html by Bill Dube')
Kind regards,
Cor van de Water
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Steven Cole Smith MR. NICE GUY
Who Killed the Electric Car? We're Not Sure Anyone Did
Date posted: 06-19-2006
I love a good conspiracy theory, and the grassy knoll is overrun with
evildoers in Who Killed the Electric Car? It's a documentary in limited
release, and could be playing at A Theater Near You.
Here's the thesis: Auto manufacturers in general, General Motors in
particular, went the electric car route in the late 1990s, most notably GM
with the EV1. One big reason: pending, and severe, laws in California that
called for stronger pollution standards and ever increasing fuel economy.
The movie, written and directed by Chris Paine, who was an EV1 driver,
suggests that California politicians backed off the laws, thus making it
unnecessary for manufacturers to invest further in electric car technology.
So when GM insists that public acceptance of the EV1 was unsatisfactory,
Paine's movie says that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, as GM let the EV1
die on the vine.
GM, of course, disagrees.
Paine does a pretty good job of proving his thesis, but to those of us who
were there, his argument has holes. A review of the film in Daily Variety,
hardly an automotive news source, points up the central flaw: "The film
recalls, though never entirely explains, the efforts by manufacturers of
electric cars to both make them, and squelch them."
That's it in a nutshell. But certainly with gasoline prices at record
levels, the timing of Paine's film is perfect. And since the little movie
has been picked up by Sony Pictures for distribution, it will be difficult
to ignore.
Most of the movie deals with the EV1, which was based on the Impact showcar.
GM announced in January 1996 that the company would build and market the EV1
in several markets that fall, most notably Los Angeles. Though it would be a
GM-branded car, it would be sold through Saturn, whose touchy-feely style of
salesmanship should appeal to electric-car buyers. The original EV1 had
conventional lead-acid batteries, though later models had nickel-metal
hydride batteries that gave the EV1 a range of at least 160 miles on a
charge.
General Motors did not sell the EV1, but leased it. Multiple celebrities
drove EV1s, and loved them. Actor Tom Hanks is shown in the film raving
about his EV1 on David Letterman's talk show. Mel Gibson, interviewed for
the film, was an enthusiastic EV1 driver. And trotted out are the usual
celebrity suspects to sing the praises of electrics: Ralph Nader, Ed Begley,
Jr., Alexandra Paul and even Phyllis Diller, who apparently was the only
celeb willing to admit she was old enough to remember the original electric
cars from eons ago.
So what went wrong? According to GM, in four years, the company was only
able to lease about 700 EV1s. Much of the impetus behind the electric car
idea was because of a mandate passed by the California Air Resource Board
(CARB) that said if a company was going to continue to do business in the
state, a certain percentage of its vehicles must eventually be
zero-emissions capable. A new leader of CARB seemed less aggressive than his
predecessor, so GM, and other manufacturers, decided to fight the mandate
rather than try to meet the goals. They did, and they won. A revised mandate
said that companies would have to build electric vehicles only if there was
customer demand, and, the film insists, GM went to great lengths to prove
that there was not.
In a 2001 legal challenge to the CARB mandate, GM said that the failure of
its own EV1 "demonstrated the minimal market appeal of electric vehicles
based on cost, range and infrastructure issues." This was two years before
GM began pulling its leased EV1s off the road. And by the end of 2004, most
all the EV1s were crushed and stacked at GM's remote, guarded proving
grounds in Arizona. Director Paine rented a helicopter and found, and
photographed, the flattened cars. It's the film's most poignant moment.
GM is not the only manufacturer targeted by the film: Ford, Honda, Nissan
and Toyota also come off as indifferent at best about their electric
efforts. Big oil has a spot reserved on Paine's grassy knoll, as do some
California politicians.
Conspiracy or not, there's no denying that GM was well ahead of the electric
car curve, and had the company continued the development, we can only
imagine how far along it would be now.
In a recent issue of Motor Trend, an interviewer asked GM chief Rick Wagoner
about the central regret of his tenure. He said it was killing the EV1
program. Perhaps more than anything else, that gives Who Killed the Electric
Car? credibility.
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http://www.europositron.com/en/manufacturing.html They claim 20 times the
energy density of current batteries. We have Firefly, Li Ion and now
Aluminium with normal lead style charging. When will we see a new range
record? Current record is over 1000 miles on a charge. That was Zinc
technology. I can hardly wait. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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My resonse to Steve below my sig.
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Hi Steve,
I am happy that you responded to my post, though I could
not find where you addressed the limited availability in your
column - it must have been well hidden.
Yes, I did read your entire column before sending my initial response.
My argument is that you seem to be defending GM and quoting
selectively from the movie, passing up or even denying that the movie
explains in great detail why the car manufacturers were so
schizophrenic about the electric car.
I am not sure if you saw the movie yourself and recall the passage
where Pres Bush is shown a Hydrogen car, asks what range it
has and when hearing it has 100 to 120 miles range, comments
that this is the technology of the future.
Before that, the car companies were quoted that the biggest
reason that electric cars were not viable was their limited range,
if they only get 120 or even 200 miles before they are empty
then you would never be at ease when taking it to the road,
always wondering if you could make it back... according the
propaganda of the car manufacturers.
Instead of solving this issue, they chose to use it to "educate"
the people that electric vehicles are "too limited" to be useful
and cannot replace the car of today.
Fact: average mileage per day is 29 miles.
These and many other facts and contradictions in the car
manufacturer's stories make it clear that they have an agenda.
They can milk billions of dollars from the american tax payers,
without need of showing anything more than a few concept
cars from time to time and they do not even need to pay
for their own development as ususal, because they have
tricked the government in thinking that Hydrogen is the
future. Sorry to burst your bubble, it is not.
Europe is quickly reducing its Hydrogen programs at the
moment, but since politicians here have committed themselves
to Hydrogen as our savior ("Hydrogen Highway"), even though
the facts are not lying and plainly contradict them, they will
have trouble to accept this "inconvenient truth".
Getting back to EVs - the technology is here, today.
There are electric cars on the road already several years
that can drive non-stop from LA to Las Vegas (almost 300
miles) There are battery technologies already available that
can be quickly recharged to achieve the same time of
refueling as a gas car.
Why are we not using the available technology and building
the best American-made cars that we can with the solutions
that are here already, and why are we putting all our bets
(and money) on a technology that is being abandoned by
other smart nations and which need a series of miracles
before it even becomes an alternative and even then it
is not a particular efficient alternative as can already be
proven today?
Conspiracy theory? No, you can forget the theory, it is
a very clear picture and it does not look good.
I wonder if you dare to write about that.
Most likely it will depend on whether there are major
car makers advertising in the same magazine, not on
the fact if this is the truth or not.
Free journalism? I see it on weblogs, not in most
magazines that need advertisement.
Thanks for the reply though, I hope I could
contribute to your understanding of the issue.
If you have further questions or like to see some
proof of why Hydrogen is not our future, then
shoot me an email.
Kind regards,
Cor van de Water
(EV driver - today.)
http://evalbum.com/694
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: "who killed the electric car?"
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:21:49 -0400
>
>I disagree, not surprisingly, with your statement that my column was not
>"credible," because I failed to mention several reasons why GM did not
lease
>more than 700. If you read the column, and I am not certain you did, you
>would have found several of your concerns addressed, such as: You say the
>car was available at only two locations in the "entire world," which is
>incorrect. I did speak of the limited availability, which was essentially
>confined to two states, with a population total of 50 million people, not
>"two locations." The bottom line is that this was not a story about the
EV1,
>but a story about a movie. I'm not certain you understood that.
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More specifically:
"Also a prototype battery for electrical vehicles will be produced.
This battery will have the capacity of 80 kWh, the volume of about
40 litres and the weight of about 60 kg."
Suppose that I would take my current lead-acid truck with about 60
miles range on 34 kWh of batteries (20 kWh usable with lead-acid)
and a pack weight of 800 kg and replace it with the above type,
again loading 800 kg of those in the truck.
(They would probably not fit in the existing box, as the lead has
a smaller volume than a corresponding weight of lighter material,
but there is plenty space on a truck...)
800 kg / 60 kg = 13 times the prototype pack would fit in weight.
13 x 80 kWh is over 1 MWh.
In theory my truck would go 3,000 miles on one charge....
Think about it! Coast-to-coast on a charge!
WHAT limited range with an EV!
Now hoping they bring this into production fast....
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:23 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Aluminium battery 3000 cycles.
http://www.europositron.com/en/manufacturing.html They claim 20 times the
energy density of current batteries. We have Firefly, Li Ion and now
Aluminium with normal lead style charging. When will we see a new range
record? Current record is over 1000 miles on a charge. That was Zinc
technology. I can hardly wait. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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All -
Does anyone have the "curb weights" of the various years the S10 was
produced?? Obviously, I am looking for the "lightest" S10 (reg cab, short
bed), and am fairly sure it was not one of the recent incarnations of same -
I think they stopped making the S10 in 2004. I am currently in the process
of contacting GM to see if they have the data (more to the point - to see if
I can get it from them!) - the various sources on the web seem often to be
in conflict w/ one another, so I would like to get the info from the horses
mouth, so to speak.
On another note, I have been going "round and round" trying to decide
which truck to convert - after much consternation, it appears that the S10
is the only reasonable candidate if you want to keep the stock bed on the
vehicle - any other truck requires you to remove the bed and make a new one,
or actually raise the vehicle to accomodate the batteries (saw one of these
in the evalbum.com)...
Thx, Mike
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Well, at least your Thunder Sky batteries didn't loose
any capacity from this event...
I feel for you. Hang in there, we are all rooting for
you!
> On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:53 AM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
>
> > At 06:42 AM 7/17/2006, Christopher Zach wrote:
> >> The really interesting thing will be to see what
> happens to the
> >> BB600's in this sort of heat.
> >
> > I found that they failed quite badly above 1000
> degrees or so...
> > (kinda melted all over the place.)
>
> Dude, you have a sick sense of humor :-) I'm *real*
> glad to see you
> still have your sense of humor!
>
> All the best,
> Paul G.
>
>
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Hi, whenever your dealing with the public you will have a few [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ to
deal with and they will stick out in your mind but i think getting the ev
word spread to the larger group of tolerable people is well worth the effort
and if you go in with the right frame of mind its a good time. Mike y
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Another car show
Ken: Based on my very limited experience...
Any show, car show, Earthday or whatever... keep close to your vehicle.
It's
best if you can bring along another person to spell you, or come as a
group.
Auto shows aren't the circus (quite) that are alternate energy gatherings
(at least locally) but you do have to keep an eye on the gawkers... and
answer lots of questions. Hand outs are a great idea.
Having a car you might be interested in seeing in a show is a big plus.
Even
if it's not perfect, detailing it (at least throwing out the McDonald's
wrappers) is a good idea. <g>
You do have to watch some people. Especially the kids and the people who
have little brain power. That's why car shows are sometimes a good idea...
folks seem to believe that they can't tear off part of the car to take
home
with them, or jump in the seats, or try to tip it over. Some folks are
interested, to others thing it's a circus event, showing an EV... comic
relief. To those, they expect you to juggle, wear a clown suit, and tell
them life is all rosy and perfect. "Sure, you can buy an EV for $49, go
3000
miles on a charge, and never have to worry about maintenance. I'll build
you
one tonight." That sort of thing.
This latter group wouldn't be happy if you hung them with a new rope. (Not
a
bad idea, but not practical... too many new ropes.) So you have to keep
your
sense of humor. You have to explain (dozens of times) why you can't hook
up
a windmill, PV, or generator to the tires... that sort of thing. (I
usually
smiled and said, "Good idea.") When someone decides to stand in your seat
and get their picture taken out the sunroof (or 4 of them sit on your hood
for the same effect) you have to explain this is *MY* car... politely...
no
fire arms allowed.
Mostly, it was a matter of listening to some extremely rude
induhviduals...
right in your face (or behind your back as if you couldn't hear them)
telling everyone "What a waste of money. Can't go 80MPH for 300 miles like
*my* car.)
That was a few years ago. Things may have changed.
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am considering registering for a local car show that will be taking
place in the Austin, TX area July 29
http://www.samuelsjewelers.com/carshow/index.php.
>
> I have been to lots of car shows (been a car buff all my life), but, I
have never seen an EV at one. I know there are local EV's in the area
and
I
>
> Ken
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Mike Mohlere wrote:
<SNIP>
On another note, I have been going "round and round" trying to
decide which truck to convert - after much consternation, it
appears that the S10 is the only reasonable candidate if you want
to keep the stock bed on the vehicle - any other truck requires you
to remove the bed and make a new one, or actually raise the vehicle
to accomodate the batteries (saw one of these in the evalbum.com)...
What? Most pickup conversions have the batteries under a flip up
bed. My Ranger conversion did, I have seen an Isuzu that did, a
Toyota that did, the list goes on. Just because some folks chose
not to does not make it impossible. The only issue in that regard I
am aware of is the S-10s having a slightly wider frame rail spacing
that makes putting the batteries under a bit easier than a Ranger.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
position. (Horace)
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Although it will take some keystrokes to get all the info you seek,
Edmunds.com can help. See
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/chevrolet/s10/10771/specs.html.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Mohlere
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: S10 model curb weight(s)
All -
Does anyone have the "curb weights" of the various years the S10 was
produced?? Obviously, I am looking for the "lightest" S10 (reg cab, short
bed), and am fairly sure it was not one of the recent incarnations of same -
I think they stopped making the S10 in 2004. I am currently in the process
of contacting GM to see if they have the data (more to the point - to see if
I can get it from them!) - the various sources on the web seem often to be
in conflict w/ one another, so I would like to get the info from the horses
mouth, so to speak.
On another note, I have been going "round and round" trying to decide
which truck to convert - after much consternation, it appears that the S10
is the only reasonable candidate if you want to keep the stock bed on the
vehicle - any other truck requires you to remove the bed and make a new one,
or actually raise the vehicle to accomodate the batteries (saw one of these
in the evalbum.com)...
Thx, Mike
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Hi, I designed a VP-12124 for Valcom (300W) 24V supply that has a
feedback resistor that can be tweaked to operate at 14V. I use it in my
Cushman as a DC converter at 72V input since it's a universal input PFC supply
and can operate from 72V to 336VDC input 300W output. I'ts available through
Graybar for around $200. It can also be used as a battery charger.
Best Regards,
Mark
Re: Supplying AC power supply with DC, for beginners
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Dave Cover wrote: > I'm just looking for the general rules on how to hook up
an AC power > supply to DC. In particular, I'm trying to understand how to use
a > switching power supply as a DC-DC converter. There are no simple
answers because there are so many types of power supplies. Some work on DC,
some don't. Most are not built as battery chargers, and so have various
problems. Most are not built to survive the outdoor automotive environment;
more problems. If the supply uses a 60hz transformer or AC
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One of the things that worries me about showing a car is the issue of prying
fingers where they
don't belong. You don't want to fry someone, it's bad press. I'm thinking of
fabricating clear
acrylic covers for the electronics so everyone could see, but no one could come
to harm. Of
course, I'd also open a breaker or pull an Anderson to make sure there is no
battery connection to
the exposed parts.
Then an idea came to mind. How about hooking up some kind of low level zapper
to selected
components, like an electric fence, or a little capacitor. If Mr Smartypants
ignores all the signs
and just has to mess with your ride, he'll get a nice little warning crack on
his fingers. It
would be fun, but I guess it could also be bad press. Make sure the kids can't
reach the protected
part. Ooh ooh, wait. How about a litte remote control device, you see him lean
in and you're ready
with the remote. Smack. He'll never do that again.
Ah well. That's the difference between what you can do and what you should do.
Dave Cover
--- mike young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, whenever your dealing with the public you will have a few [EMAIL
> PROTECTED]@ to
> deal with and they will stick out in your mind but i think getting the ev
> word spread to the larger group of tolerable people is well worth the effort
> and if you go in with the right frame of mind its a good time. Mike y
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Another car show
>
>
> > Ken: Based on my very limited experience...
> >
> > Any show, car show, Earthday or whatever... keep close to your vehicle.
> > It's
> > best if you can bring along another person to spell you, or come as a
> > group.
> > Auto shows aren't the circus (quite) that are alternate energy gatherings
> > (at least locally) but you do have to keep an eye on the gawkers... and
> > answer lots of questions. Hand outs are a great idea.
> >
> > Having a car you might be interested in seeing in a show is a big plus.
> > Even
> > if it's not perfect, detailing it (at least throwing out the McDonald's
> > wrappers) is a good idea. <g>
> >
> > You do have to watch some people. Especially the kids and the people who
> > have little brain power. That's why car shows are sometimes a good idea...
> > folks seem to believe that they can't tear off part of the car to take
> > home
> > with them, or jump in the seats, or try to tip it over. Some folks are
> > interested, to others thing it's a circus event, showing an EV... comic
> > relief. To those, they expect you to juggle, wear a clown suit, and tell
> > them life is all rosy and perfect. "Sure, you can buy an EV for $49, go
> > 3000
> > miles on a charge, and never have to worry about maintenance. I'll build
> > you
> > one tonight." That sort of thing.
> >
> > This latter group wouldn't be happy if you hung them with a new rope. (Not
> > a
> > bad idea, but not practical... too many new ropes.) So you have to keep
> > your
> > sense of humor. You have to explain (dozens of times) why you can't hook
> > up
> > a windmill, PV, or generator to the tires... that sort of thing. (I
> > usually
> > smiled and said, "Good idea.") When someone decides to stand in your seat
> > and get their picture taken out the sunroof (or 4 of them sit on your hood
> > for the same effect) you have to explain this is *MY* car... politely...
> > no
> > fire arms allowed.
> >
> > Mostly, it was a matter of listening to some extremely rude
> > induhviduals...
> > right in your face (or behind your back as if you couldn't hear them)
> > telling everyone "What a waste of money. Can't go 80MPH for 300 miles like
> > *my* car.)
> >
> > That was a few years ago. Things may have changed.
> >
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> > I am considering registering for a local car show that will be taking
> >> place in the Austin, TX area July 29
> >> http://www.samuelsjewelers.com/carshow/index.php.
> >> >
> >> > I have been to lots of car shows (been a car buff all my life), but, I
> >> have never seen an EV at one. I know there are local EV's in the area
> >> and
> > I
> >> >
> >> > Ken
> >
>
>
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