EV Digest 5732
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Splash guard
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: ABS was: Still having weird driveline problems
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Splash guard
by Dave Stensland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Cooling or heating seat
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Licensing help needed for EV
by Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Licensing help needed for EV
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Discharge load?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) NANO TUBE BATTERY
by "torich1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) NANOTUBES
by "torich1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Looking
by "Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Ideas for building a custom electric "mutant vehicle"
by "David Sherritze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Splash guard
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Looking
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Licensing help needed for EV
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Looking
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Looking
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: buddy-batteries / parallel strings: Flooded vs. AGM
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: ABS was: Still having weird driveline problems
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Destroyed Motor (was Rattling noise, lurching motion)
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: ABS was: Still having weird driveline problems
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: AC vs DC AGAIN?
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Destroyed Motor (was Rattling noise, lurching motion)
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Licensing help needed for EV
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Looking
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) New Message: Monthly New England EAA Meeting.
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Discharge load?
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Fw: Russian Tunnel
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Russian Tunnel
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) RE: Looking
by Randall Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello Ken,
On my rig, I install 1/8 inch neoprene rubber sheets on both sides of the
motor. The rubber sheets drapes down over the inner wheel wells, over the
frame and drops down beside the motors.
It is pop rivet with large head plastic rivets to the inner fender wall you
can get from NAPA. Leave enough slack so it can move up and down when the
rubber is place over the suspension.
Fasten it down, so it can be folded back for the suspension alignment
maintenance.
This keep the wheel splash off the motor.
Roland
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From: "Ken Albright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: Splash guard
> How important is a splash guard under the vehicle to protect the motor?
>
> Assuming I need one, what is a good, easily available material? I have
> plexiglass, coroplast, and plywood, but none of those seem to be just
> right. What is recommended?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Cor van de Water wrote:
This spring I was driving in town when the road was wet from
some fresh rain. I did 35 when the light turned yellow in
1. The operation of the ABS system is not usually affected by the
conversion process. The ABS system operates independently of the brake
master cylinder, so the vacuum pump has no effect. Some older ABS
systems had a hydraulic pump on the engine, but today the systems are
almost always electrically operated. Retrofitting an ABS system is
complicated and could be dangerous.
2. ABS would not have helped you in this situation. ABS does not
shorten stopping distance, often it increases it. ABS keeps the wheels
rotating so steering still has some effect. With ABS you would have
been able to steer around a car in the intersection, but it would not
have kept you from entering.
3. 4 wheel ABS on pickups is still fairly new. For many years rear
wheel only ABS was the standard on pickups. Rear wheel ABS prevents the
rear of the truck from sliding sideways, but will not prevent you from
locking the front wheels. This was considered an acceptable trade off
becuase pickups rely on the rear brakes more heavily for stopping than
cars, so you are unlikely to lock the fronts until after the rears have
locked.
4. (light) Trucks have a higher weight, suspension systems that are poor
at keeping the weight on the rear wheel and federal safety standards
that allow much greater stopping distances than are required for
passenger cars. Don't expect your truck to handle like a car, and drive
with appropriate spacing.
Mark Farver
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Hi Ken,
Just a few ideas....
a) Rubber truck bed liner material. It's durable, flexible, and
available at most automotive or farm & ranch stores. On the down side
it can be heavy.
b) Floor cushion material. There are two types I'm thinking of... 1)
Cheaper roll-up yoga matt stuff, and 2) Anti-fatigue mats that are
typically used on concrete
c) Chair roller mat. The materials can varies a lot. I have one that's
tough as nails but I suspect it would become brittle at low
temperatures.
d) Sometimes you can find really tough sheets of fiberglass/plastic in
the bathroom panel section of your favorite home improvement store.
I'm sure others will have additional ideas.
-Dave
On Aug 7, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Ken Albright wrote:
How important is a splash guard under the vehicle to protect the motor?
Assuming I need one, what is a good, easily available material? I
have plexiglass, coroplast, and plywood, but none of those seem to be
just right. What is recommended?
Thanks
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Saw an add on Craigslist in Phoenix for a electric cooling seat that will also
heat. This is for those who described using peilter cooling for Air
Conditioning.
www.sevline-x.com/prod_cool.html
I am passing on a link that I noted while browing and have no affiliation with
this business or knowledge of how well this will work. However if you have used
this I would apreciate any feedback of how well it works as I will be in same
boat when my ev is finished.
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When I was in connecticut I had alot of trouble with a couple different DMVs.
One wanted to send me halfway across the state to have a safety inspection.
When I went to another DMV they just let me go through without batting an eye.
Had to get my emmisions test done first but they gave me a temp plate and I
drove it on over and that was that. Is there another place you can go to
register your car? They sound pretty hostile. Even going on a day those
particular people aren't working might work out. Just go in and register it as
a vehicle and go on.
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From: Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 1:08:22 PM
Subject: Licensing help needed for EV
I have been a lurker on this list for several months, trying to make
the best decision about how an EV would fit into my life. I don't
need real long range, don't currently see the need for expressway
speeds, and just wanted something to get around town. After lots of
thought, and select queries of some list members, I did note an Elcar
for sale on the Denver EV list. A short conversation with the owner,
and I purchased it and trailered it home. I would like a car to be
able to have a top speed of 45 or 48 so I wouldn't worry about using
a short stretch of US highway in our town. Quick research showed the
Elcar (a thinly disguised Zagato Zele) had a Fiat 500 chassis which
was certainly safe at such speeds. The Zele uses complete Fiat
mechanicals from axles to brakes and suspension, even the Fiat
steering column and light switches. This looked ideal, and might
easily benefit from an upgrade in batteries, a more capable motor
(stock is a 1 HP Marelli) and perhaps an upgrade from the contactors
to an electronic controller.
The car came with a clear Texas title from the original Elcar dealer
to the current owner, and lots of paperwork. I went over to the
State of Illinois Secretary of State Office this morning to license
it. They refused to license it as an electric car, saying they
wanted to get a legal opinion as to what a car was. They asked me if
it could do 45 MPH, and I said it could not right now as it only has
4 batteries in it's eight battery compartment, but I planned to
purchase 8 new 12 v batteries. They said they wouldn't license until
I could prove to Springfield (3-1/2 hours away) that the car was
roadworthy. I would also have to test the car to prove this, but
they would not give me any kind of a license to test it.
I then tried to license it as an Antique Vehicle, which limits how
you can use the car in Illinois. It has to be over 25 years old, and
only driven to events and for testing and demonstrations. This
license would allow me to test what was needed to get to 45
MPH. They denied that, saying their decision was that only gasoline
cars could be licensed as antiques. I pointed out that other Elcars
are registered in Illinois, to no avail. I know two Baker Electrics
from 90 years ago are registered, but they would simply state that
they were not going to license any electrics as Antique Vehicles,
even if they were 25 years old. I pointed out that many antiques,
like my 1913 car, can't manage to do 30 MPH, much less 45. That
argument didn't win. They became quite hostile, telling me they
didn't reallly like "my kind of people." They made me pay a transfer
fee up front, giving me hope, but then denied the licensing
altogether and kept my transfer fee, saying it was only a
contribution to the state, and people like me could afford it.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to license this in
Illinois? One employee who obviously overheard the conversation took
me aside as I exited 3 hours and $25 lighter, and asked me to use
some connections, as that is how business is done. Does anyone have
any connections?
I could not have found a less responsive state
organization. Obviously they do not want to help the EV community
and are intent in setting up significant roadblocks.
Surely someone else has overcome this. How?
Rich Carroll
Palos Park, Illinois
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Rich, WAY TO GO BRO! Your EV grin really is just
around the corner... really.
I'm a bit confused about Illinois going through the
Sec'y of State. So there is no DMV?
I'd be looking into any congresspersons, ringing the
phone off the hook, pleading your case with them RE:
why when you try to do something to combat terrorism
and global warming, you get the door shut in your
face, but are asked to pay transfer fees for an
undriveable vehicle.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Although this is a state issue, not fed., I'd even try
Barak Obama (D)-Ill.
--- Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been a lurker on this list for several
> months, trying to make
> the best decision about how an EV would fit into my
> life. I don't
> need real long range, don't currently see the need
> for expressway
> speeds, and just wanted something to get around
> town. After lots of
> thought, and select queries of some list members, I
> did note an Elcar
> for sale on the Denver EV list. A short
> conversation with the owner,
> and I purchased it and trailered it home. I would
> like a car to be
> able to have a top speed of 45 or 48 so I wouldn't
> worry about using
> a short stretch of US highway in our town. Quick
> research showed the
> Elcar (a thinly disguised Zagato Zele) had a Fiat
> 500 chassis which
> was certainly safe at such speeds. The Zele uses
> complete Fiat
> mechanicals from axles to brakes and suspension,
> even the Fiat
> steering column and light switches. This looked
> ideal, and might
> easily benefit from an upgrade in batteries, a more
> capable motor
> (stock is a 1 HP Marelli) and perhaps an upgrade
> from the contactors
> to an electronic controller.
>
> The car came with a clear Texas title from the
> original Elcar dealer
> to the current owner, and lots of paperwork. I went
> over to the
> State of Illinois Secretary of State Office this
> morning to license
> it. They refused to license it as an electric car,
> saying they
> wanted to get a legal opinion as to what a car was.
> They asked me if
> it could do 45 MPH, and I said it could not right
> now as it only has
> 4 batteries in it's eight battery compartment, but I
> planned to
> purchase 8 new 12 v batteries. They said they
> wouldn't license until
> I could prove to Springfield (3-1/2 hours away) that
> the car was
> roadworthy. I would also have to test the car to
> prove this, but
> they would not give me any kind of a license to test
> it.
>
> I then tried to license it as an Antique Vehicle,
> which limits how
> you can use the car in Illinois. It has to be over
> 25 years old, and
> only driven to events and for testing and
> demonstrations. This
> license would allow me to test what was needed to
> get to 45
> MPH. They denied that, saying their decision was
> that only gasoline
> cars could be licensed as antiques. I pointed out
> that other Elcars
> are registered in Illinois, to no avail. I know two
> Baker Electrics
> from 90 years ago are registered, but they would
> simply state that
> they were not going to license any electrics as
> Antique Vehicles,
> even if they were 25 years old. I pointed out that
> many antiques,
> like my 1913 car, can't manage to do 30 MPH, much
> less 45. That
> argument didn't win. They became quite hostile,
> telling me they
> didn't reallly like "my kind of people." They made
> me pay a transfer
> fee up front, giving me hope, but then denied the
> licensing
> altogether and kept my transfer fee, saying it was
> only a
> contribution to the state, and people like me could
> afford it.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to
> license this in
> Illinois? One employee who obviously overheard the
> conversation took
> me aside as I exited 3 hours and $25 lighter, and
> asked me to use
> some connections, as that is how business is done.
> Does anyone have
> any connections?
>
> I could not have found a less responsive state
> organization. Obviously they do not want to help
> the EV community
> and are intent in setting up significant roadblocks.
>
> Surely someone else has overcome this. How?
>
> Rich Carroll
> Palos Park, Illinois
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Mike Phillips wrote:
> What a shame wasting the power as heat. Too bad it can't be put
> back into the grid! Then I'd get a bit of cash back too.
Ah, but you *can*! The simplest way is to use your test pack to run a DC
motor. Use the motor to spin an AC induction motor. When this induction
motor spins slightly faster than synchronous speed, it becomes an
induction generator -- it pushes the power back into the grid!
Induction generators are also pretty safe. It won't generate anything
unless there is already 120vac 60hz present. If the grid goes down, the
induction generator automatically stops generating, too.
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citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
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NANO TUBE BATTERY
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/26/nanotube_battery_wit.html
Lets hope!!!
Rich in Virginia
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http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392803
Rich in Virginia
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Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart beat but.. I
can't belive that I am the only one that thinks a permanent magnet D C
motor is the shiss.. by way of being more efficient and not needing a 1000
dollar controler for changing the speeds.. maybe even not a Transmission..
well in any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where I can get
one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent Magnets New and
Or used..
Who sells them???
Thanks Zed
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When I first read your blog I thought of www.rhoadescar.com for a starter
frame and mount the engine and body of choice or pedal it.
But looking at the inspirational links, this is probably too tame.
It may however give you ideas for the undercarriage of whatever you build.
You could also start with an old riding lawnmower and replace the motor and
body (Carrot ride).
With your description, maybe use the riding lawnmower as a creative engine
for a unique train. Use a odd combination of small trailers with some theme.
Or how about an oversized go-kart frame and electric motor with the body as
an old Claw Foot bathtub complete with shower and curtain. Or a body like a
huge Radio Flier little red wagon ( The wood stake side one would be easier
to make.
It scares me when my mind gets going like this!
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Martin K
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Ideas for building a custom electric "mutant vehicle"
Hi Darren
For a flat, dry, lake bed at 10MPH I would use a couple 20" e-bike
hub-motors. You don't have to worry about gearing them down or about
dust getting in (for the most part)
I had a 26" hub-motor wheel but with such a large size you don't have
much torque.
--
Martin K
Darren David wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> New to the list, but I'm getting really interested in EV building. I
> want to eventually convert an ICE, but I want to cut my teeth on a
> custom made "mutant vehicle" (basically a totally unorthodox go-cart,
> if you will) for next year's Burning Man event. My needs are very
> simple -- I'll be custom welding a frame (either from scratch or by
> cannibalizing several bicycles), and I need to be able to drive 1-2
> people around at 5-10 mph on a dry, flat, dusty, 100+ degree dry
> lakebed for a week. Average trip will be 1-2 miles, likely several of
> those between recharge.
>
> Some inspiration:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ra3sp
> http://tinyurl.com/ng9ev
> http://tinyurl.com/lv7dl
>
>
> I certainly don't need a super motor - perhaps even a beefy
> scooter/e-bike motor would do the trick. But I'd love to throw it out
> to the group and see how /you/ would do it. I basically need a parts
> list, and I'd love to do it as cheaply as possible while still ending
> up with a machine that will last for many years on the playa. How
> powerful a motor? What kind of controller? Batteries? Gearing? What am
> i missing?
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all help!
>
> Best,
> Darren David
>
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After I removed the spalsh guard from an old Quantum, I couldn't drive
through a puddle without the belts slipping like mad.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
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From: "Ken Albright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Splash guard
How important is a splash guard under the vehicle to protect the motor?
Assuming I need one, what is a good, easily available material? I have
plexiglass, coroplast, and plywood, but none of those seem to be just
right. What is recommended?
Thanks
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Take a look at UQM (unique mobility). They build perm magnet motors, small
and large. Very expensive.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Phelps
Sent: August 7, 2006 3:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Looking
Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart beat but.. I
can't belive that I am the only one that thinks a permanent magnet D C
motor is the shiss.. by way of being more efficient and not needing a 1000
dollar controler for changing the speeds.. maybe even not a Transmission..
well in any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where I can get
one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent Magnets New and
Or used..
Who sells them???
Thanks Zed
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Rich wrote:
> Elcar... I purchased it and trailered it home. I would like a car
> to be able to have a top speed of 45 or 48...
45-48 mph? That's pretty fast for an Elcar. The one I drove certainly
did not have the brakes or suspension to handle it.
> the Elcar had a Fiat 500 chassis which was certainly safe at such
> speeds.
The ones I saw may have used some Fiat 500 parts, but the chassis and
rear axle are certainly unique (and badly designed as well). Also, the
track and wheelbase are wrong; if they did use Fiat 500 parts, they
didn't change them to suit the Elcar's smaller dimensions.
The Elcar was built more like a golf cart than any Fiat I've ever seen.
When Consumer Reports tested the Elcar, the front suspension collapsed
when they did their braking test. It was very flimsily and cheesily
made.
> The car came with a clear Texas title... the Illinois Secretary
> of State Office... refused to license it as an electric car...
> They said they wouldn't license until I could prove that the car
> was roadworthy.
That's rather typical. Bureaucrats don't like things that are different.
It's easiest to say "no" to anything that is not explicitly allowed by
the regulations. You may have to ask a different person, or someone at a
different office, or "schmooze" them a little to get some help.
In the three states where I've licensed EVs, I've had to get them
inspected. Each state had its own rules for what a homebuilt vehicle
must have. They had a list; I did everything on the list; an inspector
looked at it to certify that it had everything on the list; and I got my
title and registration. Tedious, but successful in the end.
> I then tried to license it as an Antique Vehicle... They denied that,
> saying their decision was that only gasoline cars could be licensed
> as antiques.
That is certainly not true. Antique cars obviously include steam and
electrics, as well as gasoline. The bureaucrat you talked to was just
making up things on the spot.
> I pointed out that other Elcars are registered in Illinois, to no
> avail. I know two Baker Electrics from 90 years ago are registered,
> but they would simply state that they were not going to license any
> electrics as Antique Vehicles, even if they were 25 years old.
Be polite and friendly, get names and phone numbers, and pointedly take
notes. Ask who you should speak to that has the authority to decide on
exceptions and appeals. Call that person and explain your predicament.
If all else fails, call your congressman.
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citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
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Hey Zed
Not a lot of big per-mags in the forklift world. Way back Prestolite made a
small run of either 11" or 13" (can't remember) drive motors for the big sit
down units as a single drive. Didn't go very well as the magnet breakage was
terrible. I've never worked on any but heard the stories and saw a couple at
the Beech Michigan shop while there.
In general per-mags tend to burn their armatures and brushes if overloaded to
much. I see a lot of burnt steer motor armatures as well as a lot of brunt
brush rings. Much of this probably has to do with it's OEM duties as well as
poor batteries.
Anyway I thought I'd chime in to say there just not available in any real
size in forklifts.
Sorry no help
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart beat but.. I
can't belive that I am the only one that thinks a permanent magnet D C
motor is the shiss.. by way of being more efficient and not needing a 1000
dollar controler for changing the speeds.. maybe even not a Transmission..
well in any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where I can get
one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent Magnets New and
Or used..
Who sells them???
Thanks Zed
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Hello Don,
The difficulty in making a magnetic motor for the last 70 years, is that
they could not get the rotor to change it magnetic poles of a magnet as it
turns.
This is where brushes come in, where the magnetic poles of the commentator
changes, to keep the motor running.
But last month, the Liverpool Laboratories in England was able to have a
magnetic pole magnet change it poles every time it pass through a magnetic
field of only magnets.
The alloys in the rotating magnet is made up of three types of metals to be
able to accomplish this.
This motors will be first produce for a disk drive in laptop computers. The
batteries should last 10 to 20 times longer in these units.
This was in a newspaper article last month.
Roland
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From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Looking
> Take a look at UQM (unique mobility). They build perm magnet motors,
> small
> and large. Very expensive.
>
>
> Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
>
> see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Phelps
> Sent: August 7, 2006 3:42 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Looking
>
>
>
> Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart beat but.. I
> can't belive that I am the only one that thinks a permanent magnet D C
> motor is the shiss.. by way of being more efficient and not needing a 1000
> dollar controler for changing the speeds.. maybe even not a Transmission..
> well in any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where I can
> get
> one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
>
> I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent Magnets New
> and
> Or used..
> Who sells them???
>
> Thanks Zed
>
>
>
>
>
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Seth Myers wrote:
> I'm looking at a 72 volt system on a car someone else converted,
> for around town use (max speed 55 or so). They used some deep cycle
> flooded (I think) 12 volt batteries, two groups of 6 in parallel.
> I imagine a 72 volt system might be better constructed with 12x
> 6 volt batteries.
Yes; twelve 6v batteries will cost less and perform better than two
parallelled groups of 12v batteries.
People use parallel groups of batteries when they want AGMs, which are
pretty much only available in 12v versions. Or, when various physical
limitations (no room etc.) force them to use many small batteries
instead of a few bigger ones.
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Mark Farver wrote:
> 4. (light) Trucks have a higher weight, suspension systems that are poor
> at keeping the weight on the rear wheel and federal safety standards
> that allow much greater stopping distances than are required for
> passenger cars. Don't expect your truck to handle like a car, and drive
> with appropriate spacing.
Yes, that is why I was doing a very moderate speed w nothing in
front of me, but it will still get me in a crash when a car
cuts in front of me (as often happens when you leave a safe
space in front of you) and then brakes faster than I can stop.
(With the weight of the batteries, the truck is close to GVWR,
so essentially it is fully loaded which worsens the already
marginal handling in bad weather.)
BTW, I think ABS would reduce my stopping distance as I was
skidding and that has much lower friction than a rolling tire
with direct contact to the road has - ABS would have brought
my stopping distance down in this case of riding on a slippery
road and that is the other big reason for ABS, next to keeping
the vehicle under control (steerable).
I probably can upgrade my technique for braking as well, as I
was so dumbfonded from this unexpected skidding that I forgot
to stop braking until I was in the intersection or I can do
the recommended "stabbing", which essentially tries to simulate
the operation of ABS. (Brake until wheels lock, then release
until wheels roll again and repeat).
(I did my Class B theory test a week ago).
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Jude Anthony wrote:
I blew up the motor. Pictures on my website later today.
Pictures are now on my website:
http://judebert.com/wasted_youth/EV/Disaster.html
Any comments welcome. I'm not quitting now, and I don't want this to
happen again.
Anybody got a cheap 9" in Florida, near Orlando? If I bring this
broken motor to a shop, will they be able to say what the problem *was*?
Still open to offers. ;-P
On a more serious note, I'm soliciting motor recommendations. It's
about a 3000lb EV with a Curtis 1231C. I need to stay with the same
bolt pattern for the adapter, but if an 8" or Warp will have some
advantage, I'd like to know before I plunk down another $1500.
Thanks,
Jude
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Cor van de Water wrote:
I probably can upgrade my technique for braking as well, as I
was so dumbfonded from this unexpected skidding that I forgot
to stop braking until I was in the intersection or I can do
the recommended "stabbing", which essentially tries to simulate
the operation of ABS. (Brake until wheels lock, then release
until wheels roll again and repeat).
(I did my Class B theory test a week ago).
Another thing to watch out for in an AC based (maybe shunt as well) car
is the regen issues. This can cause significant front-brake bias issues
and yes, it is possible to skid a wheel on regen alone (tested with full
regen on snow).
The Prizm brakes very well, but all the weight is low and centered. The
S10 is a lot lighter in the rear, I can see it chipping without ABS.
Chris
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Mike Phillips wrote:
The one bummer about this list is we don't have anywhere to store
data, just archiving the threads.
Well, there's the EVParts.com FAQ. But didn't we once have a wiki?
What happened to it?
I could probably offer up the web space for another one, if it just
failed due to hosting problems...
Jude anthony
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Hey Jude
Yep shes toasted alright isn't she. I see this far to often and it was
caused by excessive RPM's. I didn't get the first half of this thread, but if
you got this motor used it may have had a crack in the comm done prior to your
aquirering it or you may have hurt it previously (like John Bensons comm was
cracked). It's why I started Kevlar wrapping the comms on these 9" comm's.
If this is an ADC 9, I have a rewound ADC 9" FB1-4001 armature in stock if
needed, but I guess you'd need some brush rigging which I could also work up
for you. What do the field coils look like?? If they are not overly hurt and
you're up to a little motor building I could ship you the parts and walk you
through a how to if interested. This would keep freight down. I could also
Kevlar the comm if you like also 8^ P
Anyway contact me off list if I can help. I'll have a shipment going to
Shawn Waggoner soon, so we can just ship it down on his Fedex account, lmao!!!
hehehe. Hey Shawn didn't see you there 8^ )
BTW I saw the one pic quoted "it's dead Jim" were you talking to me or was
that a trek quote 8^ P
cause I saw it was dead!
Sorry to hear about your loss, best of luck.
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jude Anthony wrote:
> I blew up the motor. Pictures on my website later today.
Pictures are now on my website:
http://judebert.com/wasted_youth/EV/Disaster.html
Any comments welcome. I'm not quitting now, and I don't want this to
happen again.
> Anybody got a cheap 9" in Florida, near Orlando? If I bring this
> broken motor to a shop, will they be able to say what the problem *was*?
Still open to offers. ;-P
On a more serious note, I'm soliciting motor recommendations. It's
about a 3000lb EV with a Curtis 1231C. I need to stay with the same
bolt pattern for the adapter, but if an 8" or Warp will have some
advantage, I'd like to know before I plunk down another $1500.
Thanks,
Jude
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Rich wrote:
They became quite hostile, telling me they didn't reallly like "my
kind of people." They made me pay a transfer fee up front, giving me
hope, but then denied the licensing altogether and kept my transfer
fee, saying it was only a contribution to the state, and people like
me could afford it.
Holy Crap! What kind of public servant acts this way? He's not hired
to help only his favorite "kind of people", he's supposed to help ANY
citizen.
In Florida, this is all part of the tax collector's office. I'd be
going up the chain of command until I reached Ray Valdez (my elected
representative) himself. And I'd be dragging a newspaper or two in
along the way, if I could.
Take notes. In public. Get names. Don't be hostile, but don't let
this stuff pass, either.
For a hassle-free registration, you'll likely be best off going to a
different office. Often the people are the only thing in the way, and a
different person will make a different ruling.
Here's hoping that jerk gets fired,
Jude Anthony
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> > Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart beat
but.. I
> > can't belive that I am the only one that thinks a permanent
magnet D C
> > motor is the shiss.. by way of being more efficient and not
needing a 1000
> > dollar controler for changing the speeds.. maybe even not a
Transmission..
> > well in any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where
I can
> > get
> > one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
> >
> > I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent Magnets
New
> > and
> > Or used..
> > Who sells them???
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250016197756
Retails about $1K
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Hi EVerybody:
And you Electrackers, too. Am trying to roll two good things into one. It's
that time this Sart. Monthly meetihg thing. Since Tony has been burned out,
literly, Having the festivities at my place in Killingwortg CT. Bring yur
EV,Truk in your "Trak" lottsa nice juicy outlets, working on 50 amp charging.
BIG ass variac and the famous Little Blue Box charging system. So, bring them
on, around 12 to 2pm Dribble in when EVer ya can.Stay awile, yak EV's sift
through my Electrac collection, the almost running Sentra, and Heartwarming EV
Racing vidios. Zombie blowing away the gassers at PIR, trains an' trolleys.
Including my first public screening of " Taken For A Ride" another stunning
indightment of General Murders, or why you don't have the happy hum of traction
motors in trolleys., much , anymore. But they ARE coming back.
I found a copy on VHS of" Taken for a Ride" Like WKtEC, it is a darn good
documentery!It never got the play time 10 years ago, that it deserved. but it
was an After the fact, done deal, kind of thing. Not like EV's which WILL come
back, dispite General Murders best efforts.
How many "Nicola" tags will be out there on new Tesla Motors stuff?Hell,
Harley-Davidson is worth more than GM, nowadaze.Next. Tesla?
Anyhow, see ya all on Sat.
Bob
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Would it need to be a single phase induction motor?
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike Phillips wrote:
> > What a shame wasting the power as heat. Too bad it can't be put
> > back into the grid! Then I'd get a bit of cash back too.
>
> Ah, but you *can*! The simplest way is to use your test pack to run a DC
> motor. Use the motor to spin an AC induction motor. When this induction
> motor spins slightly faster than synchronous speed, it becomes an
> induction generator -- it pushes the power back into the grid!
>
> Induction generators are also pretty safe. It won't generate anything
> unless there is already 120vac 60hz present. If the grid goes down, the
> induction generator automatically stops generating, too.
> --
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
> has!" -- Margaret Mead
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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You could also have look at http://www.evparts.com/shopping/index.php?id=533
they have
A range of Motors including the Etek.
Regards
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phelps
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 10:42 a.m.
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>
> Ok I have only been into this Electric car thing for a heart
> beat but.. I can't belive that I am the only one that thinks
> a permanent magnet D C motor is the shiss.. by way of being
> more efficient and not needing a 1000 dollar controler for
> changing the speeds.. maybe even not a Transmission.. well in
> any case .. I am sure that some body out there knows where I
> can get one.. Why is there not more interest in this.. Availabity?
>
> I am looking for a 15 to 20 horse D C motor with Permanent
> Magnets New and Or used.. Who sells them???
>
> Thanks Zed
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