EV Digest 5753
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_EV=92s_show_at_the_Alaska_Renewable_Energy_Fair=2C_c?=
=?Windows-1252?Q?omments.?=
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Electric Car Bush Hybrid Plugin
by Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Zillas not available? Nor is Logisystem FYI
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: No dc-dc converters
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Electric Sea Doo Jet Ski
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Two questions....
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: LRR tires (again)
by "Sweeney, John P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: A simple battery box?
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: I need a dc-dc converter
by "Grigg. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Electric Car Bush Hybrid Plugin
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Electric Sea Doo Jet Ski
by Don M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Full Range DC converter
by "Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: YouTube, Inc. and EV promo
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Electric Ranger Range
by Matthew Younkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) =?windows-1252?Q?NEDRA_EVent_in_Alaska_=28was_Re=3A_EV=92s_show?=
=?windows-1252?Q?_at_the_Alaska_Renewable_=2E=2E=2E=29?=
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Two questions....
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Electric Sea Doo Jet Ski
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: An Electric GAZ!
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Mike Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: EV’s show at the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair
> Just wanted to give Everyone a report on my adventure to the Alaska
Renewable Energy Fair. From my limited vantage point it
> appeared the fair was a huge success. I went to last year’s 1st annual
EVent and this year seemed, well, more electrified. They
> were anticipating approx 2000 attendees and I believe they may have
exceeded that number. I probably had over 1000 people view
> the Electrabishi, because I know I answered (at least) that many
questions.
> Snip-a-bit
Hi Mike!
Nice job!! Thanks for having your stuff together and doing a great
show-an' -tell! Doing this nowadaze ,its very gratifying, people are ready
for this! You're ready for a NEDRA EVent, in Alaska<g>!Not REALLY that far
from PDX, compared to CT>
seeya
Bob
>
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There are several OC labeled spots in my area that are 110vac.
Mike
--- Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not an issue. Plug-in hybrids will be 110 volt.
> Public EV charging is 208/240.
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Mike Phillips wrote:
>
> > At least he pronounced it right :)
> >
> > I'm wondering what EV folks will do when the plug in hybrid crowd
> > wants
> > to start using EV outlets? This could easily happen with only a few
> > charging spots we have have now. It would make sense to me that an
> EV
> > would get priority as they cannot just start up a gas engine and
> drive
> > away like a hybrid.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> How'd I miss this one. Bush is pushing Plug-Ins?
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXz6hnQr2gk
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Here's to the crazy ones.
> > The misfits.
> > The rebels.
> > The troublemakers.
> > The round pegs in the square holes.
> > The ones who see things differently
> > The ones that change the world!!
> >
> > www.RotorDesign.com
> >
>
>
Here's to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently
The ones that change the world!!
www.RotorDesign.com
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Just Got off phone- 90 days out before their new controller is out. They can't
get the Curtis cores to rebuild them. So they are building new boxes for their
own unit.
I just got Funded to build my EV. Going to try the Surplus Generator and an
Altrax in a CRX- Plan to go with 72 Volt. Just need to get the motor and get
the Adapter and couple made up. Need 30 mile range RT max @ 45 mph.
Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To be honest Otmar is the only game
in town. The only possible compeditor
is Logisystems in Texas with their 156v 800 to 1000 amp controllers. I'm
not sure what the final spec's will be but if you want a well thought out
product that performs Otmar is it. Logisystems does great on upgrades and
repairs & I hope they bring the promise of performance at an affordable
price. Their Controllers will be in the sub 1k price range.
http://www.logisystemscontrollers.com/logisystems_002.htm Contact Jim for
spec's and prices. Lawrence Rhodes..
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From: "Ray Wong"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zillas not available?
> I think Otmar makes a great controller but he need help in running a
business. The dealer is probably quite upset to loose business.
>
> I have been trying to order a Zilla 2K for over a month and Otmar has
only replied once to my many emails, basically saying " I'm too busy, don't
bother me, I don't want your order."
>
> There is an old saying in business. If you don't take care of your
customers, someone else will.
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur wrote:
>
> The following is a quote from this page-
> http://www.electricvehiclesusa.com/category_s/75.htm
>
> "Electric Vehicles does not carry the "Zilla" controllers. The company
that
> claims to build these is run by a person that does not work with his
Dealers
> and dose not supply product as advertized.
> Please see our New "EV USA" controllers to be released soon."
> ...
>
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur
>
> My EV and RE Project Pages-
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
>
> Informative Electric Vehicle Links-
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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From: "Martin K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: No dc-dc converters
> Jeff,
> I'm working on a DC-DC that takes 120v - 450v and outputs 13.8v @ 1kW
> It won't be ready for a few months. I hope there's a market for a few
> when I get the design finalized.
> --
> Martin K
> Hi Marty;
YES! Go for it!!!C an you think "cottage industry" here? Canya come up
with a little black box with an input selecter. Oh I don't think ya need 1
kw, thats alotta amps. Something for the rest of us that have basic
conversions, crappy basic sedans, don't NEED all that, maybe 30-50 amps at
most, it would current limit out on BIG loads.That's why ya have an Acessery
battery, anyhow.Would it be hard, electrically to go from say 90 volts ,
click up to 300-400? One that could live on the raw edge: guyz with a 300
volt pack peeking at 400 volts? And make it for less than a mortgage
payment??
OK for the simple stuff; Cease fire in Lebanon, Settle the Iraq
thing.Trashcanistan?Balance the USA Budget.
Seeya
Bob
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Hey all
I've been chewing on an idea here for a couple months about doing a Hi-Torque
Calendar. I have plenty of EV's out there running my motors to do this but
thought a community wide calendar a better choice.
I have a few ideas as to how I'd like to do it, and that means input by you
folks. First, I'd need a list of those willing to be pictured on it. Second I
thought a single type voting from EVerybody would be really fun with the
highest votees getting the honor (not by me but by you) of being selected.
I thought we could present a different EV group also on EVery month! Yes AC
drive are more than welcome. Although there may be some shameless Hi-Torque
advertising on some of the months, hehe, I'd rather make this something you all
might like to have hanging in you garage 8^ )
My thoughts are that EV groups could get them at cost with featured folks
getting a free one (sorry if you want 5 copies for your momma you'd have to buy
them, hehe). We could list important EV dates, meetings, etc.
Anyway I want to make this happen for 2007 and thought there might be those
who'd like to participate. I'm up for additional ideas and input. I really
don't want this to be an "all racing" deal as I'd like it to enforce EV's
everywhere and that average people can be driving them 8^ )
Is there any interest?? I hope there is, as I'd hate to be full of myself,
LMAO! I'm willing to run the voting through my site, if there is a need for an
un-bias counter I have no problem with that either, hehehe.
What do you all think??
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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I talked to a local battery distributer, and picked up a couple used
Optima yellow tops, he will be getting 7 more for me, for a 9 battery
pack. I'm thinking two 4 battery packs (48V), one main, second reserve,
and a 9th battery to use for limp home when the main and reserve are
dead. Maybe serialize the main and reserve in a "turbo" 96v high-speed
mode.
I took mine out on the water today, its whimpy 0.8L motor seemed pretty
darn fast at what maybe 25mph, I have trouble seeing how anyone would
want to go 80mph on a jet ski, that is already scary fast in a full-size
jet boat.
One thing for sure is that the inside of the ski gets bales full of
water. All electronics inside are going to need serious waterproofing.
I have a couple 8" motors on the way, but I'm thinking going with a
sealed motor, a brushless motor that can get all wet, even run
underwater by design to water cool it.
I'm wondering if the yellow tops and the cabling are going to be ok
getting all wet? Am I going to need to create a watertight enclosure
for them? If so, I'm thinking it might be easier to use the D or F cell
NiCD or NiMH, and put them in stick packs that can be put in sealed
tubes. That seems like an easier packing arrangement in the
odd-roundish shaped insides of the ski, particularly the V groove to get
the weight as low as possible. Has anyone tried to use stack these D/F
cells and use pressure to make the connections in them, somewhat like a
flashlight does, but with more pressure?
There really is no place to recharge using 120vac outlet near the water.
I'm thinking of having an electric off-road wagon with batteries that
can dump charge into the ski. It did occur to me that such a vehicle
would be an electric powered truck.. tow the ski to the shore with your
EV truck, and use it to recharge the ski. :)
Jack
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Hi Joe,
On Aug 10, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Joe Plumer wrote:
I've been thinking about getting the Optima Yellow Top batteries. Are
these
thought of as good batteries? Is there a better battery available
with similar specs (12v, C/10 55ah)?
"Better" depends on your goals.
- If you want more miles for less money, then 6v flooded golf cart
batteries are better.
- If you want maximum range and don't care about money, lithium
batteries are better.
- If you want maximum range and you care a little bit about money,
flooded NiCads are better.
- If you don't want to deal with the extra maintenance that comes with
flooded batteries (filling them, cleaning up messes) then sealed
batteries like the Optima Yellow Top are better.
- If you want an affordable sporty EV and don't care about long range,
then absorbed glass mat (AGM) batteries such as the Optima Yellow Tops
are a good choice.
- If you want an affordable EV, care a bit about long range, and don't
want messy batteries, then gel-cel batteries like Dekas are better.
- If you want to build a drag race car, then small, high-powered AGM
batteries like the Hawker Aerobatteries are better.
- If you don't care about cost and want the absolute in light weight
and high power, then right now it looks like the A123 lithium cells are
better.
There's a very good rundown of how Don Cameron decided to use gel-cel
batteries for his vehicle on his website here:
<http://www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/EV_BatterySelection.html>
In my case, I wanted an affordable sporty EV that was low maintenance
and needed a range of about 15 miles, so I was going to use Optima
Yellow Tops. Then I discovered the Exide Orbital Blue Top, a battery
that's nearly identical to the Yellow Top but with the following small
improvements:
- slightly lower weight
- slightly higher power output
- much better physical packaging
By better physical packaging, I mean that the Orbital has built-in
carrying handles, plus two holes clean through the battery from top to
bottom (which come in extremely handy for mounting the batteries). It
also has both automotive and marine-style posts, both on the top.
(There's an Orbital available with side terminals, which I don't like
because they get in the way when packing the batteries together.) I
used the automotive posts for the high-current connections to the
controller, and the marine stud terminals to connect my battery
regulators.
I recently posted a web page with pictures of how I mounted my Orbitals
and regulators here:
<http://learn-something.blogsite.org/pictures/mountingregulators/>
On the negative side, the Orbitals have their terminals much closer to
the edge of the battery case, which can complicate the design of your
battery boxes and cabling.
Hope this helps,
Doug
--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
<http://learn-something.blogsite.org/>
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Otmar,
I use the MXV4 plus Michelins on my E-Fiero at 44PSI they are quiet &
ride good but I haven't noticed any great improvement over the Stock
tires as far as mileage.
Pat
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:14 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: LRR tires (again)
Hello People,
I've just experienced an amazing 25% increase in power consumption on my
EV.
The other day I was in a hurry to get tires on the back of the 914 for
the
races at PIR so Steve Stark would have more than steel belts for
traction.
It seems the new batteries had mysteriously smoked much of the rubber
off
the tires and the belts were showing on both sides. Those tires were
Continental EcoContact EP 175/55 R15. They are the OEM tire for the
rear
of the DaimlerChrysler Smart car and ACP listed them at 0.010 in rolling
drag (I think). I got the last set from Europe and didn't have time to
go
through that again.
Being in a hurry, I went to Les Schwab and had them install a likely
looking tire. It was a Toyo Proxes 4, 195/50 R15 which I run at the
rated
50 psi. Man! What a turd that tire is. Just putting two on the back
killed
my range (by 25%) and in addition the rear end needs to "set up" causing
the car to wander when attempting to go straight. I rechecked the toe in
since it felt so bad, but it was still neutral so I'm pretty sure it's
just a poor tire.
Now I want new tires all around. They have to be 15". This car is not
really competitive in racing anymore so my primary concern is to find
the
lowest rolling resistance tire that I can. I'm looking for something
down
around .006.
My first choice was the EV-1 tire, the Michelin Proxima since it came in
a
15" and I've measured nice low rolling drag numbers on it. (0.0045 on a
EV-1 and 0.0065 on a Del Sol with the non sealing ones) Unfortunately
Michelin seems not to sell the Proxima in the USA anymore.
I love the low rolling drag of the P165/65 SR14 RE92 Potenza on my
Insight, but I'm told the other sizes of that tire do not share the LRR
that it enjoys.
The Bridgestone B381 seems to be a 14" tire only.
And the Bridgestone Ecopia may have been made in a 15" for the Nissan
Hypermini, but I don't see it for sale anywhere.
Back to Michelin, they seem to have the Energy series. Both the MXV4 S8
and the MXV4 Plus. The S8 seems to be a OEM tire which makes me suspect
it
might have lower rolling resistance to hit CAFE standards, but I find no
numbers for it.
The MXV4 Plus in a 16" is rated at a somewhat high .009 in the green
seal
report, and I was hoping for better.
So, does anyone have any advice for me?
Anyone running some good 15" tires that they have taken a scale and
measured?
Or maybe just done the finger push test?
My Insight is less than 2000 lbs and can be pushed either way on a flat
surface with one finger, and it doesn't even hurt. I like that. The 914
with these poor tires is taking 3-4 fingers for 3000 lbs. Not very good.
Any advice appreciated!
Thanks,
--
-Otmar-
914 EV, California Poppy,
http://evcl.com/914/
http://www.CafeElectric.com/
The Zilla factory has moved to Corvallis Oregon.
Now accepting resumes. Please see:
http://www.cafeelectric.com/jobs.html
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Tom
How thick did the 4 coats come out to? I'm building my boxes pretty tight and I
don't have a lot
of room to play with. I'd like to try coating the inside of the box with the
EPDM, but use
fiberglass on the outside. I'd like to give a little more strength to the wood
with the
fiberglass.
Dave Cover
PS Guessing that since your station is in Bangor, you are in the Bangor area
too. I was sorta
close a few weeks ago. My folks live up on Moosehead and we get as close as the
Newport exit off
95. In fact, the 5 layer 1/4" plywood I'm using for my battery boxes came from
the Mardens in
Bangor. Maybe we can stop by on next years pilgrimage to Beaver Cove.
--- Tom Gocze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am just in the throes of doing a battery box on my S10 pickup. I did not
> install any batteries
> under the hood, wanting to keep access easy for all those components. And the
> nicads I am using
> a rather tall, so, I removed the original bed and built a wooded pressure
> treated one. Am
> planning on building fiberglass covered foam walls to look like the original,
> but should be a
> lot lighter(?)
> Am sacrificing a lot of bed space in this approach, but it is very easy to
> keep an eye on the
> nicads. After testing at 72V, I removed all the batteries and coated the
> pressure treated with
> Geocel rubber roof coating. There are a lot of coatings like this. It is a
> liquid rubber, like
> EPDM (which is used for wire insulation). I installed four coats and when it
> cures (4 hrs a
> coat), it is like a solid piece of rubber. It fills any holes and flows
> nicely. I will post some
> pix on the photo album soon. Also used some thin, 1/8" polyethylene film
> under the cells as a
> release, since the coating was a little tacky when I put in the batteries.
>
> Now to install a full 120V worth.
>
> Tom in Maine
> www.hotandcold.tv
>
>
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I'm using IOTA 220-55 on my 240V Blazer now and it works great. I also
turned down the voltage on it to 13.2V so it can be left on at all
times. Kind of a low db squealer though at low load when the vehicle is
turned off.
I too blew my water cooled Vicor module setup, I had a wimpy Aux battery
that killed it.
http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls22055.htm
John Grigg
Jeff Shanab Wrote:
"My vicor is dead(probably because I ran it without water in the
heatsink for a while, but I got it off ebay and it was always a
squealer)
Funny thing is it still sings so the oscillator is running but output
is at 11V :-(
My pack is 288 nominal and may become 300V nominal, that is 354-369
charge voltage and as low as 240 if sagged during hard acceleration.
If I keep the 12V aux battery, I can get by with 50 amps or less
What are my options?
Brusa has one but the prices are ridiculus (sorry Victor, but I
don't need 1200W)
I can't seem to find the DCP units
I am driving daily and need this solved quickly."
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Although if you could keep them from having to EVen start the gas engine its
usefulness would be marginalized and the pure BEV market could benefit :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:51 am
Subject: Re: Electric Car Bush Hybrid Plugin
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> At least he pronounced it right :)
>
> I'm wondering what EV folks will do when the plug in hybrid crowd
> wantsto start using EV outlets? This could easily happen with only
> a few
> charging spots we have have now. It would make sense to me that an EV
> would get priority as they cannot just start up a gas engine and drive
> away like a hybrid.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> --- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How'd I miss this one. Bush is pushing Plug-Ins?
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXz6hnQr2gk
> >
> >
>
>
> Here's to the crazy ones.
> The misfits.
> The rebels.
> The troublemakers.
> The round pegs in the square holes.
> The ones who see things differently
> The ones that change the world!!
>
> www.RotorDesign.com
>
>
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How much will the electrics weigh? You're only
removing probably 150 lbs of motor and fuel. And if
it's a two seater the load capacity is ~330 lbs. If
you weigh 180 and the electrics weigh over 300, you're
overloaded.
-Don M
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I talked to a local battery distributer, and picked
> up a couple used
> Optima yellow tops, he will be getting 7 more for
> me, for a 9 battery
> pack. I'm thinking two 4 battery packs (48V), one
> main, second reserve,
> and a 9th battery to use for limp home when the main
> and reserve are
> dead. Maybe serialize the main and reserve in a
> "turbo" 96v high-speed
> mode.
>
> I took mine out on the water today, its whimpy 0.8L
> motor seemed pretty
> darn fast at what maybe 25mph, I have trouble seeing
> how anyone would
> want to go 80mph on a jet ski, that is already scary
> fast in a full-size
> jet boat.
>
> One thing for sure is that the inside of the ski
> gets bales full of
> water. All electronics inside are going to need
> serious waterproofing.
> I have a couple 8" motors on the way, but I'm
> thinking going with a
> sealed motor, a brushless motor that can get all
> wet, even run
> underwater by design to water cool it.
>
> I'm wondering if the yellow tops and the cabling are
> going to be ok
> getting all wet? Am I going to need to create a
> watertight enclosure
> for them? If so, I'm thinking it might be easier to
> use the D or F cell
> NiCD or NiMH, and put them in stick packs that can
> be put in sealed
> tubes. That seems like an easier packing
> arrangement in the
> odd-roundish shaped insides of the ski, particularly
> the V groove to get
> the weight as low as possible. Has anyone tried to
> use stack these D/F
> cells and use pressure to make the connections in
> them, somewhat like a
> flashlight does, but with more pressure?
>
> There really is no place to recharge using 120vac
> outlet near the water.
> I'm thinking of having an electric off-road wagon
> with batteries that
> can dump charge into the ski. It did occur to me
> that such a vehicle
> would be an electric powered truck.. tow the ski to
> the shore with your
> EV truck, and use it to recharge the ski. :)
>
> Jack
>
>
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I designed it for www.valcom.com where you can see the specs on the VP-12124.
GrayBar should have only one type in stock. I am not aware of any others by
that model number. It is listed as a 300W power supply with a universal PFC
input.
Best Regards,
Mark
Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can you give the exact Graybar ID. My searches have pulled up 630 items with
the terms VP12124 300W 24V DC-DC- Thanks
"Mark E. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,
I designed a VP12124 available from GrayBar Electric for about $290. It's 300W
and initially set to 24V but I just tweak the feedback resistor to 14V and have
been using these in my EV's from 72V - 336V. They have a front end PFC circuit
that boosts the voltage to the 2-switch forward converter for a wide range of
operation. No fan, steel case, polarity protected.
Have a Renewable Energy Day,
Mark
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:26:53 -0700 From: "Jeff Shanab" To: "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" Subject: No dc-dc converters Plain Text Attachment [ Scan and
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Dc-Dc converters for the higher voltage packs are ominously missing from all
web sites that sell ev stuff except metricmind. What gives? we need an Otmar or
Rich for dc-dc's ! Universal input 72-450V ? Or a few models(48V-96V) (80-200)
(100-400) 13.8V out sleep mode key input waterproof 50Amps Is this bringing
back the DCP? Signed Desperate EV'er in Fresno,ca
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Good man!
Great vid, BTW. Had to (finally) join YouTube just to vote <grin>
And "1 Honour" already for your vid. (If you click on the "Honours"
bit, right now if says "#98 - Top Favorites (Today) - Autos &
Vehicles")
So yer Top 100 material! Interesting too, to see the Playlist that
YouTube displays that's "related" to your vid.
Tks
Lock
Toronto
Human/Electric hybrid
--- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just added the report the local ABC news team did on my Electrabishi
> truck last week.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyV9qQleBDI
>
> Looks like there is a growing number of news reports contradicting
> the Ford Eviro lady's claim that there is no market for E- cars
> and that hydorgen is the wave of the futre. How many hydrogen cars
> did you pass on the way to work today? How many hydrogen
> re-fueling stations did you see today?
>
> Just got finished with the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair today. (full
> report to follow in separate thread). After EVeryone got
> done looking at the Hybrids and flex- fuels and they came and checked
> out the electric and heard some cold hard facts, they asked
> "Why can't I buy one of these?" Now they're hooked, referred them to
> WKtEC starting next week. :-)
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Lock Hughes
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:34 PM
> > To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> > Subject: YouTube, Inc. and EV promo
> > Caught a comment recently on the evdl... someone reporting climbing
> > hit counts to their EV web site. Perhaps a credit to WKtEC and gas
> > prices in NA.
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Hello -
I've just recently started considering buying an EV;
and would like to purchase a pre-packaged vehicle.
Normally, I only drive 3 miles to work; so I'd be a
'perfect' customer for an EV.
However, I occasionally have a 35 mile (one-way)
distance to travel, with no plug on the other end.
I was considering buying an electric Ranger; and was
wondering how expensive it would be to add enough
batteries to extend the range from ~45-50 miles to
~75-80 miles.
Alternatively, I've heard of people converting Hybrids
to plug-in hybrids. Is this terribly difficult, or
terrible for the batteries?
Thanks!
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Hey, a NEDRA EVent in Alaska would be cool!!! Putting a vehicle on the barge
out of Seattle or Portland would be the cheapest and easiest way to go. You'd
fly in to race (and enjoy the sights for a few days) and I could arrange to get
trucks and car haulers volunteered to get you to the track. There's a guy in
my office thinking of not buying the engine for his Roadster chaassis that he
has built up and put in an 11' motor direct to his built up 9" rear-end. This
guy is a serious gas racer and to EVen consider droppping an electric motor
says alot about the mentality up here.
Mike
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:41 am
Subject: Re: EV’s show at the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair, comments.
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EV Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:14 AM
> Subject: EV’s show at the Alaska Renewable Energy Fair
>
>
> > Just wanted to give Everyone a report on my adventure to the Alaska
> Renewable Energy Fair. From my limited vantage point it
> > appeared the fair was a huge success. I went to last year’s 1st
> annualEVent and this year seemed, well, more electrified. They
> > were anticipating approx 2000 attendees and I believe they may have
> exceeded that number. I probably had over 1000 people view
> > the Electrabishi, because I know I answered (at least) that many
> questions.
>
> > Snip-a-bit
>
> Hi Mike!
>
> Nice job!! Thanks for having your stuff together and doing a great
> show-an' -tell! Doing this nowadaze ,its very gratifying, people
> are ready
> for this! You're ready for a NEDRA EVent, in Alaska<g>!Not REALLY
> that far
> from PDX, compared to CT>
>
> seeya
>
> Bob
> >
>
>
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Hey Jim,
Thats a great idea. I'll submit some snow trailblazing pics of electric 4X4
for a winter month feature.
A calendar would be a nice item to sell at EVents as well. What could you get
for a price for a well made piece of advertising?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:52 am
Subject: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Hey all
>
> I've been chewing on an idea here for a couple months about
> doing a Hi-Torque Calendar. I have plenty of EV's out there
> running my motors to do this but thought a community wide calendar
> a better choice.
>
> I have a few ideas as to how I'd like to do it, and that means
> input by you folks. First, I'd need a list of those willing to be
> pictured on it. Second I thought a single type voting from
> EVerybody would be really fun with the highest votees getting the
> honor (not by me but by you) of being selected.
>
> I thought we could present a different EV group also on EVery
> month! Yes AC drive are more than welcome. Although there may be
> some shameless Hi-Torque advertising on some of the months, hehe,
> I'd rather make this something you all might like to have hanging
> in you garage 8^ )
>
> My thoughts are that EV groups could get them at cost with
> featured folks getting a free one (sorry if you want 5 copies for
> your momma you'd have to buy them, hehe). We could list important
> EV dates, meetings, etc.
>
> Anyway I want to make this happen for 2007 and thought there
> might be those who'd like to participate. I'm up for additional
> ideas and input. I really don't want this to be an "all racing"
> deal as I'd like it to enforce EV's everywhere and that average
> people can be driving them 8^ )
>
> Is there any interest?? I hope there is, as I'd hate to be full
> of myself, LMAO! I'm willing to run the voting through my site,
> if there is a need for an un-bias counter I have no problem with
> that either, hehehe.
>
> What do you all think??
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
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hey Jim
I just got a Cordless Toro mower. Will there be a push mower class? Should I
polish her up?
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
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From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
Hey all
I've been chewing on an idea here for a couple months about doing a
Hi-Torque Calendar. I have plenty of EV's out there running my motors to
do this but thought a community wide calendar a better choice.
I have a few ideas as to how I'd like to do it, and that means input by
you folks. First, I'd need a list of those willing to be pictured on it.
Second I thought a single type voting from EVerybody would be really fun
with the highest votees getting the honor (not by me but by you) of being
selected.
I thought we could present a different EV group also on EVery month! Yes
AC drive are more than welcome. Although there may be some shameless
Hi-Torque advertising on some of the months, hehe, I'd rather make this
something you all might like to have hanging in you garage 8^ )
My thoughts are that EV groups could get them at cost with featured folks
getting a free one (sorry if you want 5 copies for your momma you'd have
to buy them, hehe). We could list important EV dates, meetings, etc.
Anyway I want to make this happen for 2007 and thought there might be
those who'd like to participate. I'm up for additional ideas and input.
I really don't want this to be an "all racing" deal as I'd like it to
enforce EV's everywhere and that average people can be driving them 8^ )
Is there any interest?? I hope there is, as I'd hate to be full of
myself, LMAO! I'm willing to run the voting through my site, if there is
a need for an un-bias counter I have no problem with that either, hehehe.
What do you all think??
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Hey Mike, all
I'm thinking of getting Chip involved (hey chip how bout it??) (maybe allow
him a small pinch for his efforts) (maybe feature an artpiece, hehe) as he has
printing connections and he might make a good east coast provider also. I
think the winter month idea is wayyyy coooool (sorry, hehe) and I will include
you into my new folder as an entry. In as much as there will be "some"
shameless advertising, my goal would be to keep costs down so they can either
be sold or given away by EV chapters, NEDRA, etc. I wouldn't want to make
anything off of it, as like you said it would help to spread the word about me.
You know having a member in your group (my sister just signed on there
everyone, yeah!) whos brother does motors might have a perk or two, hehehe.
One way or another I plan on doing this so count yourself officially entered,
and thanks. Not sure how it will all work out but a short list of local
activities will also be featured on the day section, so maybe you can get me a
small list working such as days of your meeting, etc.
I've had two other nods so far privately which might be better for listees,
but I'd like to see ideas posted here for all to feed on and share (if
allowed). I'd like to make this the best damn EV community calendar that can
be made, and that many will hopefully enjoy.
Thanks for the feedback, talk to you later.
Ps: the segment on you tube was awesome also.
Cya
Jim
MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Jim,
Thats a great idea. I'll submit some snow trailblazing pics of electric 4X4 for
a winter month feature.
A calendar would be a nice item to sell at EVents as well. What could you get
for a price for a well made piece of advertising?
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Husted
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:52 am
Subject: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Hey all
>
> I've been chewing on an idea here for a couple months about
> doing a Hi-Torque Calendar. I have plenty of EV's out there
> running my motors to do this but thought a community wide calendar
> a better choice.
>
> I have a few ideas as to how I'd like to do it, and that means
> input by you folks. First, I'd need a list of those willing to be
> pictured on it. Second I thought a single type voting from
> EVerybody would be really fun with the highest votees getting the
> honor (not by me but by you) of being selected.
>
> I thought we could present a different EV group also on EVery
> month! Yes AC drive are more than welcome. Although there may be
> some shameless Hi-Torque advertising on some of the months, hehe,
> I'd rather make this something you all might like to have hanging
> in you garage 8^ )
>
> My thoughts are that EV groups could get them at cost with
> featured folks getting a free one (sorry if you want 5 copies for
> your momma you'd have to buy them, hehe). We could list important
> EV dates, meetings, etc.
>
> Anyway I want to make this happen for 2007 and thought there
> might be those who'd like to participate. I'm up for additional
> ideas and input. I really don't want this to be an "all racing"
> deal as I'd like it to enforce EV's everywhere and that average
> people can be driving them 8^ )
>
> Is there any interest?? I hope there is, as I'd hate to be full
> of myself, LMAO! I'm willing to run the voting through my site,
> if there is a need for an un-bias counter I have no problem with
> that either, hehehe.
>
> What do you all think??
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
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On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Doug Weathers wrote:
Then I discovered the Exide Orbital Blue Top
I should clarify this statement. I was not the first to discover this
battery - I learned of it in a post to the EV List from Rich Rudman.
Sorry about that. I don't want anyone to think I'm a List God - my EV
isn't even on the road yet.
Later,
Doug
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Las Cruces, NM, USA
http://learn-something.blogsite.org/
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The yellow tops weight I think 50lbs, 9x50=450, motor=50.
I had myself, my son, my daughter all on it, that was over 350lbs, it
sat in the water fine, but we kept falling off, too top heavy. :)
I think if the weight is kept low in the boat it should be ok.
Jack
Don M wrote:
How much will the electrics weigh? You're only
removing probably 150 lbs of motor and fuel. And if
it's a two seater the load capacity is ~330 lbs. If
you weigh 180 and the electrics weigh over 300, you're
overloaded.
-Don M
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I talked to a local battery distributer, and picked
up a couple used
Optima yellow tops, he will be getting 7 more for
me, for a 9 battery
pack. I'm thinking two 4 battery packs (48V), one
main, second reserve,
and a 9th battery to use for limp home when the main
and reserve are
dead. Maybe serialize the main and reserve in a
"turbo" 96v high-speed
mode.
I took mine out on the water today, its whimpy 0.8L
motor seemed pretty
darn fast at what maybe 25mph, I have trouble seeing
how anyone would
want to go 80mph on a jet ski, that is already scary
fast in a full-size
jet boat.
One thing for sure is that the inside of the ski
gets bales full of
water. All electronics inside are going to need
serious waterproofing.
I have a couple 8" motors on the way, but I'm
thinking going with a
sealed motor, a brushless motor that can get all
wet, even run
underwater by design to water cool it.
I'm wondering if the yellow tops and the cabling are
going to be ok
getting all wet? Am I going to need to create a
watertight enclosure
for them? If so, I'm thinking it might be easier to
use the D or F cell
NiCD or NiMH, and put them in stick packs that can
be put in sealed
tubes. That seems like an easier packing
arrangement in the
odd-roundish shaped insides of the ski, particularly
the V groove to get
the weight as low as possible. Has anyone tried to
use stack these D/F
cells and use pressure to make the connections in
them, somewhat like a
flashlight does, but with more pressure?
There really is no place to recharge using 120vac
outlet near the water.
I'm thinking of having an electric off-road wagon
with batteries that
can dump charge into the ski. It did occur to me
that such a vehicle
would be an electric powered truck.. tow the ski to
the shore with your
EV truck, and use it to recharge the ski. :)
Jack
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On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 08:51:12PM -0500, Mike Chancey wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> One of the latest entries is a 1958 GAZ from Estonia.
<..snip..>
> AC drive in a 1958 Soviet mobile?
Did you notice that the system voltage on this car is only 120V?
I though one of the big rubs for the Siemens AC systems was there
high voltage requirement?
> Well the pictures are now in and I am impressed.
What a great looking conversion! It must have cost a fortune!
I wonder how much it is to find and restore a car like that?
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Hey Dave
Depends on what you all would really want. In as much as it might be my
idea, I really wanted to do a community wide thing here. I'd actually like to
see the 1917 Melbern electric featured also myself. I was thinking of Steve
Clunn's mowers so you just might have to spit shine that baby up if a voting
things works out, hehe.
I'd say EVen projects could be included, at least small window pics depicting
before during and after shots. Again getting you all excited about this is the
fun part and why I choose this route. I believe at least one of the different
types of EV's is in order, but I leave that to you good gentlemen. I also
liked Mikes idea of a winter driving for the winter themed months.
Maybe a submitted EV resources listing on the back page was another idea I
had.
If you don't mind I'll throw you into my entry folder 8^ )
Cya
Jim
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hey Jim
I just got a Cordless Toro mower. Will there be a push mower class? Should I
polish her up?
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Husted"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Hi-Torque / EV Calendar for 2007
> Hey all
>
> I've been chewing on an idea here for a couple months about doing a
> Hi-Torque Calendar. I have plenty of EV's out there running my motors to
> do this but thought a community wide calendar a better choice.
>
> I have a few ideas as to how I'd like to do it, and that means input by
> you folks. First, I'd need a list of those willing to be pictured on it.
> Second I thought a single type voting from EVerybody would be really fun
> with the highest votees getting the honor (not by me but by you) of being
> selected.
>
> I thought we could present a different EV group also on EVery month! Yes
> AC drive are more than welcome. Although there may be some shameless
> Hi-Torque advertising on some of the months, hehe, I'd rather make this
> something you all might like to have hanging in you garage 8^ )
>
> My thoughts are that EV groups could get them at cost with featured folks
> getting a free one (sorry if you want 5 copies for your momma you'd have
> to buy them, hehe). We could list important EV dates, meetings, etc.
>
> Anyway I want to make this happen for 2007 and thought there might be
> those who'd like to participate. I'm up for additional ideas and input.
> I really don't want this to be an "all racing" deal as I'd like it to
> enforce EV's everywhere and that average people can be driving them 8^ )
>
> Is there any interest?? I hope there is, as I'd hate to be full of
> myself, LMAO! I'm willing to run the voting through my site, if there is
> a need for an un-bias counter I have no problem with that either, hehehe.
>
> What do you all think??
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
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