EV Digest 5821
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BB600 odd nuts
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Differences between Siemens and MES/DEA systems
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Understanding EV design relationships
by "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: splined couplers
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: splined couplers
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: splined couplers
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) (no subject)
by "richard weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
by "David O'Neel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: SMARTcar on eBay
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: SMARTcar on eBay
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
by "John Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) 550 Spyder
by Ron Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) 550 Spyder
by Ron Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: GVWR Honda Fit
by John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: GVWR Honda Fit
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) broken e-brake suggestions?
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Curb Weights
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) EV VW parts
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: Last Saturday's Oregonian 'Electric Drag Racer' Article
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: EV VW parts
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Curtis Controller Rebuilder?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: SMARTcar on eBay
by Lawrence Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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At 09:07 PM 1/09/06 +0000, Mike wrote:
These wierdo nuts are killing me! I can't even get them apart and
start installing the cells into the truck! I suppose machining a
socket would work, but I hate to scratch up nickel plated hardware.
Well, they're an interesting nut - I've never seen exactly that before!
I've seen dimples on a bar shaped nut, and ball shaped nuts with various
drive mechanisms (hex, flat or slot) but that's a new one on me.
They look as though they are designed to be driven by a C-spanner, not a
socket. If you are not familiar with a C-spanner, they are along the lines
of an open-end (across flats) spanner, but with only one side and the
bottom of the opening, the end of the remaining side has a hook on the end
of it. C-spanner nuts are often used on pipework with soft seals where they
need to be undone a lot, and usually are round with slots cut across them.
I'd turn up a piece of steel on a lathe into a dome to match the spherical
shape, cut it in half and drill and tap two holes into one half to line up
with two of the holes. Grind or tun the ends of two bolts or capscrews to
fit the dimples and put them into the holes. Weld a handle onto it and away
you go. Of course, this is an undoing spanner, due to the dome you can't
flip it over to do up - you'll need to make another to tighten up.
Attempt at sketching what I mean (fixed-width font):
Pin
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pin==
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handle
Of course, the pins need to line up with the dimples, the second pin is not
usually needed on a C-spanner, but without it I think you'd be fighting to
hold it down.
Hope this helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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Jake Oshins wrote:
Victor, since all e-mail that I send you seems to get lost before it
reaches you, could you outline the differences between the Siemens and
MES/DEA systems that you sell for the whole list?
I'll try to answer one by one, but it's like asking to highlight
the difference between Honda and Toyota car. Where do I start?
I can download the
Siemens manual (or at least your translation) from your web site.
I created it from scratch, it's not a translation.
But
getting information on the MES/DEA systems is much more problematic.
Same for me.
Is there feature parity?
Most, but to tell for sure I'd need to run their software connected
to actual inverter (which I don't have spare for) and see.
Is the regenerative braking on the MES/DEA system just as flexible as
that on the Siemens one?
I'm sure it is as far as setting parameters affecting driving.
Exactly how long has MES/DEA been in business
See http://cebi.kicms.de/cebi-internet/Facilities/4
and what's their warrantee
like?
Normally 1 year
What sorts of vehicles typically use the MES/DEA systems?
Small cars (Smart type), at least in Europe
What exactly is configurable with the serial and CAN interfaces to the
MES/DEA inverter?
CAN is used to control inverter during runtime; RS232 is used
to store default parameters you normally don't change (safety
limits). To tell which ones are there I need to run their software.
In short, why would somebody pay close to twice as much for a Siemens
system? Is it just that it's a known quantity?
Siemens as tougher and more conservatively built, industrial
strength system. MES is more consumer-looking built. Quality
is still there, it's just where Siemens will use 2mm thick
steel cover held by 8 screws MES will use aluminum one with
2 screws - this sort of things. You can run a truck over Siemens
inverter - nothing will happen to it. MES one will get bent.
A good analogy in durability may be the difference between
a public phone metal keypad vs your cell phone's one.
Both work, but, you know...
Siemens is perhaps large as (if not larger) than GE,
with many years of experience and vast resources.
MES is 150 people 7-8 years old company. Good one,
but is in different weight category. Kind of
comparing Toyota and Tesla. It's not which one is "better",
they are different.
Thanks in advance,
Jake Oshins
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Hi Lee,
The 220 rating for these batteries is what I read too, but this fellow
claims to have called Exide and they explained that the "Stowaway" brand was
built specifically for Sam's Club sales and they provided the lower rating.
I'll try to find the link again and post it.
I knew I'd be risking shorter range but I didn't know I'd be risking shorter
life. That's no fun. :(
I had measured the battery boxes in the past and learned that the T-145's
would fit. They are 9 lbs. heavier each though. Are these battery pods up to
the task? Mine have no corrosion holes or anything. They seem solid enough.
I'll try to implement some of your streamlining techninques. I believe side
mirrors can be mounted INSIDE the vehicle and still be positioned to give a
good view. This would eliminate all mirror drag. I just need to find a good
type for inside. I've heard of the choroplast trick and I've been meaning to
try it. My foam bumpes are in good shape actually, but I'm not married to
them. I've no idea how I'd wrap something on them. Replace them with tubes
perhaps...
I don't mind replacing the wheels except for one thing: I HATE when my
instruments don't read correctly. If there's a way I can get the speedo
recalibrated to work with the new wheel size I'll do it. If not, I'll just
stick with the 13".
The brakes don't drag but the alignment is shot to hell. The tie-rod ends
are bad. I've been trying to locate a source. Still, replacing the brake
system with something Ford and plentiful is attractive. I'll talk to my
fellow mechanics and see how hard it would be.
Thanks for the advice Lee. I'll take as much to heart as I can.
Rich A.
'81 C-van
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:57:40 -0700
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Understanding EV design relationships
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Richard Acuti wrote:
'81 Comuta Van... 12 hp motor, 72v system, 1221b Curtis controller
([EMAIL PROTECTED] amps), 12 6v Exide Stowaways, 744 lbs @ 62 lbs. each,
I get 40 miles at 72 deg.F, driven very conservatively.
These batteries are rated at 186ah @ 20h...
A: 9 8v Trojan T-890's (69 lbs), rated 190ah, I will save 123 lbs.
B: 9 8v Trojan T-875's (63 lbs), rated 170ah, I will save 177 lbs.
C: 10-12 8v Trojans (either T-890 or T-875), I will have 80v or
96v so I'll go faster but my wieght will be the same or -more-
than my original configuration so I may suffer an unacceptable
range loss.
According to my notes, the Sam's Club 6v golf cart battery is rated
220ah at the 20h rate. I found that to be about right in my experience.
Given equal weight batteries, a 6v battery will have 33% more amphours
than an 8v battery (8v/6v = 1.33). 220ah/170ah = 29% more, so this also
fits.
Range is directly detirmined by battery weight. If you want to keep the
same range, you need the same total battery weight. Options A and B will
*lose* range. Option C with twelve T-890s will gain you a little range
*if* you don't change your driving (don't go any faster or accellerate
any quicker).
My goal is maximum speed, maximum acceleration and maximum range
within the configurations listed above.
I'd stay away from the 8v batteries. They generally cost more and
perform worse. Their higher voltage will improve top speed, but at the
cost of significantly reduced range and shorter life.
Instead, use twelve T-125 or T-145 6v batteries (or the US Battery
equivalents). They fit in the same battery boxes, and increase your pack
weight, and thus range. (You'll lose this extra range due to higher
speed, which I'll get to next).
Now replace the 13" rims with 14" rims (Ford 5-bolt fit). Use
Bridgestone Potenza 14" high-pressure low rolling resistance tires from
a Toyota Prius or Honda Insight. These are bigger in diameter, and will
increase your top speed about 5-10 mph. You'll have to trim the plastic
lip off the wheel wells to gain a little clearance.
Replace the old 90w gear lube in the transmission and differential with
30w motor oil. Don't use synthetic oil unless you replace all the seals
(mine leaked when I tried synthetic).
Make sure your brakes aren't dragging. The cheap trailer brakes they
used are junk; the stamped drums warp and then rub. It is preferable to
replace them with conventional car drum brakes with cast drums.
Check the front end alignment. You want zero toe-in. When you get the
tires, brakes, and alignment right, you can push it with one finger!
Clean up the aerodynamics. The ComutaVan has the aerodynamics of a
brick,; there's a lot of room for improvement! Get rid of the huge
postal side mirrors; use smaller "streamlined" ones. Put a belly pan
underneath; it can be quickly made with Coroplast "sign board" or
plastic "canvas" stretched tight. Modify the hood to be flush (not
sticking up 1"). Wrap a curved piece of plastic around the front bumper
and body to round the nose (it's now square, and the black foam rubber
bumper has probably rotted and disintegrated anyway).
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Eric,
I am looking for a small series wound or sepex motor for a hydrostatic tractor
project, could you send the url for the item(s) you found? I need to replace
an 18 Hp ICE. Thanks David Chapman.
Quoting Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I ordered one of those GE series wound motors from Surplus Center, and
> it has a male 1.25" 14T splined shaft. Finding internally splined
> couplers / hubs / sprockets to mate up to this thing is proving to be
> really difficult, at least via web searches. Anyone have a source that
> they _know_ carries this sort of thing? I checked (amongst many others)
> mcmaster and SDP-SI, with little success.
>
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At 03:52 PM 1/09/06 -0700, Eric Poulsen wrote:
I ordered one of those GE series wound motors from Surplus Center, and it
has a male 1.25" 14T splined shaft. Finding internally splined couplers /
hubs / sprockets to mate up to this thing is proving to be really
difficult, at least via web searches. Anyone have a source that they
_know_ carries this sort of thing? I checked (amongst many others)
mcmaster and SDP-SI, with little success.
G'day Eric
You may be better off in pulling the motor apart and getting the spline
ground down to maybe 1" (depending on the depth of the spline) and putting
a taperlock on.
My motor came with a spline coupling, but I'm not happy with how true it
is, I'm thinking that a normal taperlock with a keyway, to fit the O.D of
the spline. Make a key that fits the keyway and a spline segment may be the
way to go.
Hope this helps
Regards
[Technik] James
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Hello Eric,
Try DODGE Power Transmission Components.
At: www.dodgept.com/products/pt_components/pt_components_main.html
They have splined couplers for coupling two round standard shaft together.
The splined housing may fit over the male splined on the motor and the
coupler kit comes with a splined adaptors to connected to any round shaft
from 1/2 to 1-3/8 diameter.
Also electric motor brakes units have a internal spline that fits over male
splines of a motor. They make these as a inline brake unit over one output
shaft or fits the brake shaft of a double shaft motor.
Roland
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From: "Eric Poulsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: splined couplers
> I ordered one of those GE series wound motors from Surplus Center, and
> it has a male 1.25" 14T splined shaft. Finding internally splined
> couplers / hubs / sprockets to mate up to this thing is proving to be
> really difficult, at least via web searches. Anyone have a source that
> they _know_ carries this sort of thing? I checked (amongst many others)
> mcmaster and SDP-SI, with little success.
>
>
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Too bad the webmaster has that stupid verification thing on there. After 10
tries, I give up. Sorry, Bill.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
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From: "John Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
I see that with the start of a new month, that Bill Dube'
has moved into the number one slot for a potential win
next month! http://www.dragtimes.com/
Check out that Karmann Ghia in the #8 slot, it would
match up pretty well with Killacycle on the track.
Here's a link directly to Bill's page for the voting
http://www.dragtimes.com/Dragster-Motorcycle-Timeslip-7621.html
The site has a nice EV page going too
http://www.dragtimes.com/featured-electric-cars.php
John
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At 03:39 PM 1/09/06 -0700, David C. Wilker wrote:
Too bad the webmaster has that stupid verification thing on there. After
10 tries, I give up. Sorry, Bill.
G'day David
5 goes for me, but would you rather the cheaters get to the top? I had an
Email exchange with their webmaster a few months ago, someone went to all
the trouble of writing a computer program to fake IP addresses and read the
verification numbers! They had to make it as hard as they have to stop the
cheating.
There were a Merc and another car, IIRC that would jump ahead 500 votes
overnight, then sit for a few weeks until someone else caught up, then jump
ahead again. Not very subtle.
It'd be better for the verification to be on a dark page, so that it is
easier to see (a cheaters' computer doesn't care about the background of
the page).
Once Bill has been "featured time-slip of the month" there will no longer
be any EVs on their "top 10" list - just back in the pages on the previous
featured cars. Has no-one else got a respectable timeslip to put up?
Regards
[Technik] James
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As I mentioned in a previous message I have a book called Standard Catalog
of Imported Cars 1946-2002 which has this information along with much more.
ISBN is 0873416058 However, it does not include trucks or domestic
vehicles. It even lists the different weights for option packages such as
honda DX vs. Si etc..
Dave O.
On 9/1/06, Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
92 Honda Civic DX weighs 2220 stripped of AC, motor,
radiator, etc.
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> (I've copied this from a car blog. It's 1990 cars
> so good for us. I
> couldn't find much else. Anybody found other lists?
> What is the Karmen Ghia
> Curb Weight? Inquiring minds want to know.
> Lawrence Rhodes.)...
>
> There's always a lot of talk here about how cars
> have become so heavy. So
> here's a list I've compiled from my car magazine
> archive.
>
> All weights are in lbs.
>
> EDIT: MPG FIGURES ADDED - these are from the 1990
> EPA fuel economy guide
>
> Acura Integra 3-door - 2,544 24/28 MPG
> Acura Legend - 3,139 19/24 MPG
> Acura NSX - 2,850
> Alfa Rome Spider - 2,550 23/30 MPG
> Alfa Romeo 164S 3,335
> Audi V8 quattro - 3,946 14/18 MPG
> Audi 80 (FWD) - 2,612 22/30 MPG
> Audi Coupe quattro 20V - 3,171 18/24 MPG
> Audi 100 (FWD) - 2,932 18/24 MPG
> Audi 200 (FWD) - 3,080 17/25 MPG
> BMW 325i 4-door - 2,855 18/23 MPG
> BMW 325ix 4-door - 3,054
> BMW M3 - 3,055 17/29 MPG
> BMW 525i - 3,395 18/24 MPG
> BMW 335i - 3,530 15/23 MPG
> BMW 735i - 3,835 15/23 MPG
> BMW 750iL - 4,235 15/21 MPG
> Buick Electra - 3,288 19/28 MPG
> Buick Estate Wagon - 4,281 17/24 MPG
> Buick Reatta - 3,379 18/27 MPG
> Cadillac Brougham - 4,283 14/21 MPG
> Cadillac DeVille - 3,466 16/25 MPG
> Chevrolet Beretta 2-door - 3,000
> Chevrolet Camaro V6 - 3,077
> Chevrolet Cavalier 2-door - 2,436 25/32 MPG
> Chevrolet Celebrity 4-door - 2,888 21/27 MPG
> Chevrolet Corvette - 3,223 16/25 MPG
> Chevrolet Lumina 4-door V6 - 3,122 19/30 MPG
> Chrysler Imperial - 3,570 17/25 MPG
> Chrysler LeBaron V6- 2,810 20/26 MPG
> Chrysler TC by Maserati (turbo) - 3,200 20/32 MPG
> Chrysler Town & Country - 3,817 18/24 MPG
> Eagle Premier - 3,083 17/26 MPG
> Eagle Talon turbo (FWD) - 2,651 20/25 MPG
> Ford Escort 5-door - 2,310 27/36 MPG
> Ford LTD Crown Victoria - 3,821 17/24 MPG
> Ford Mustang LX (4 cyl.) - 2,759 23/29 MPG
> Ford Probe - 2,731 24/31 MPG
> Ford Taurus - 2,956 21/27 MPG
> Ford Tempo - 2,515 23/32 MPG
> Ford Thunderbird - 3,581 19/27 MPG
> Geo Metro 3-door - 1,591 53/58 MPG
> Geo Storm - 2,282 31/36 MPG
> Honda Accord - 2,773 24/30 MPG
> Honda CRX - 1,967 32/35 MPG
> Honda Prelude Si - 2,571 23/26 MPG
> Infiniti M30 - 3,333 19/25 MPG
> Infiniti Q45 - 3,950 16/22 MPG
> Isuzu Impulse - 2,411 26/34 MPG
> Jaguar XJ-6 - 3,903 17/22 MPG
> Jaguar XJ-S V-12 - 4,015 13/17 MPG
> Jeep Cherokee Limited - 3,453 16/20 MPG
> Lexus ES250 - 3,163 19/26 MPG
> Lexus LS400 - 3,755 18/23 MPG
> Lincoln Continental - 3,663 19/28 MPG
> Lincoln Mark VII - 3,779 17/24 MPG
> Lincoln Town Car - 4,025 17/24 MPG
> Mazda Miata - 2,182 25/30 MPG
> Mazda MPV 4WD - 3,920 17/22 MPG
> Mazda RX-7 2,800 17/25 MPG
> Mazda RX-7 2+2 - 2,880 17/25 MPG
> Mazda RX-7 convertible - 3,045 16/24 MPG
> Mazda 323 3-door - 2,238 29/37 MPG
> Mazda MX-6 - 2,560 24/31 MPG
> Mazda 929 - 3,477 18/22 MPG
> Mercedes 500SL - 3,970 14/18 MPG
> Mercedes 560SEC - 3,915 15/18 MPG
> Mercedes 190E 2.6 - 2,995 20/23 MPG
> Mercedes 300E sedan - 3,210 18/22 MPG
> Mitsubishi Galant - 2,601 23/29 MPG
> Mitsubishi Sigma V6 - 3,108 18/22 MPG
> Nissan Maxima - 3,193 20/26 MPG
> Nissan Stanza - 2,788 22/29 MPG
> Nissan 240SX - 2,657 20/27 MPG
> Nissan 300ZX - 3,219 18/24 MPG
> Nissan 300ZX 2+2 - 3,313 18/24 MPG
> Nissan 300ZX Turbo - 3,474 18/24 MPG
> Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme V6 2-door - 3,133 19/30
> MPG
> Oldsmobile Ninety Eight - 3,325 18/27 MPG
> Oldsmobile Toranado - 3,462 17/26 MPG
> Peugeot 405S 4-door - 2,460 20/27 MPG
> Peugeot 505 4-door - 2,998 18/22 MPG
> Plymouth Horizon - 2,296 26/35 MPG
> Plymouth Voyager 3,100 21/23 MPG
> Pontiac Bonneville - 3,325 18/27 MPG
> Pontiac Grand Prix 2-door - 3,186 19/30 MPG
> Pontiac Trans Sport - 3,500 18/23 MPG
> Pontiac 6000 - 2,843 24/31 MPG
> Porashe 911 Carrera 2 - 3,031 16/24 MPG
> Porsche 911 Carrera 4 - 3,252
> Porsche 928 S4 - 3,505 13/19 MPG
> Porsche 944 S2 - 2,998 17/26 MPG
> Range Rover - 4,389 13/16 MPG
> Saab 900 S 3-door - 2,732 22/28 MPG
> Saab 9000 5-door - 3,004 21/28 MPG
> Sterling 827 5-door - 3,230 19/24 MPG
> Subaru Justy 3-door (FWD) - 1,745 33/37 MPG
> Subaru Legacy 4-door (FWD) - 2,620 18/24 MPG
> Subaru Legacy 4-door (4WD) - 2,830 23/30 MPG
> Subaru Loyale wagon (FWD) - 2,370
> Subaru XT (FWD) - 2,455 25/31 MPG
> Toyota Camry (4 cyl.) 2,690 26/34 MPG
> Toyota Camry All-Trac - 3,086
> Toyota Celica GT - 2,696 23/29 MPG
> Toyota Celica GT-S - 2,975
> Toyota Celica All-Trac Turbo - 3,272 19/24 MPG
> Toyota Corolla 4-door - 2,390 28/33 MPG
> Toyota Corolla 4-door All-trac - 2,650
> Toyota Cressida - 3,417 19/24 MPG
> Toyota MR-2 - 2,350 26/31 MPG
> Toyota MR-2 Supercharged - 2,493 24/30 MPG
> Toyota Supra - 3,463 18/23 MPG
> Volkswagan Coraddo G60 - 2,695 21/28 MPG
> Volkswagen Fox 4-door - 2,203 25/30 MPG
> Volkswagen Golf 5-door - 2,246 15/44 MPG
> Volkswagen Golf GTI 16V - 2,262 22/29 MPG
> Volkswagen Jetta - 2,305
> Volkswagen Jetta GLI 16V - 2,440
> Volvo 240 sedan - 2,919 21/28 MPG
> Volvo 740 sedan - 2,954 21/28 MPG
> Volvo 780 coupe - 3,415 18/21 MPG
>
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I bought a Honda Civic Vx in 1992 that got 42-46mpg. It had a 1.5L
engine and seated 4, costing only $11,600. I ran it for 8 years and
160,000 miles before giving it to my Niece. She still has it and has
put another 60,000 on it. And the last I heard it was still getting
about 40mpg. The smart car seems pretty dumb to me.
Now if it were electric I'd look at it.
At 8/31/2006 06:37 PM, you wrote:
It sounds like Zap (or one of their dealers) is clearing out cars again.
They did this with the original few they imported. From the couple folks
I've talked w/ that bought... 40MPG is actual mileage, in town or out.
(Higher with the diesel engine.) That's, at least, better than the 30MPG
for the best cars currently selling in the US, IMHO.
> It's rated to get only 40mpg from a 700cc engine? Doesn't sound very
> aerodynamic:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160024644297
>
> Needs that ICE crap yanked out and a little EV-ing instead!
>
>
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I am not sure where the rating of 40mpg comes from, but it is incorrect.
The Canadian govt rated this vehicle to get 61mpg city and 74mpg highway.
In US Gallons that would be 50mpg city and 61mpg highway. These are
realistic numbers, I have spoken with owners who are seeing these numbers.
These are very common vehicle on the west coast of Canada.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gordon Niessen
Sent: September 1, 2006 6:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SMARTcar on eBay
I bought a Honda Civic Vx in 1992 that got 42-46mpg. It had a 1.5L engine
and seated 4, costing only $11,600. I ran it for 8 years and 160,000 miles
before giving it to my Niece. She still has it and has put another 60,000
on it. And the last I heard it was still getting about 40mpg. The smart
car seems pretty dumb to me.
Now if it were electric I'd look at it.
At 8/31/2006 06:37 PM, you wrote:
>It sounds like Zap (or one of their dealers) is clearing out cars again.
>They did this with the original few they imported. From the couple
>folks I've talked w/ that bought... 40MPG is actual mileage, in town or
out.
>(Higher with the diesel engine.) That's, at least, better than the
>30MPG for the best cars currently selling in the US, IMHO.
>
> > It's rated to get only 40mpg from a 700cc engine? Doesn't sound very
> > aerodynamic:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160024
> > 644297
> >
> > Needs that ICE crap yanked out and a little EV-ing instead!
> >
> >
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From: "James Massey"
Once Bill has been "featured time-slip of the month" there will no longer
be any EVs on their "top 10" list - just back in the pages on the previous
featured cars. Has no-one else got a respectable timeslip to put up?
There's a couple of others that come to mind right off.
It would be nice to eventually build up their "EV page" until it's
a neat little album of some of the best looking And performing
EVs and a nice variety at the same time. One great addition would
be Dennis Berube's dragster, and the other one that came to mind
right off is Roderick Wilde's yellow roadster.
I haven't had any trouble with the numbers, but I do have to
take an extremely close look at the screen to figure them out. It
might be possible to adjust the screen controls a bit to make it
easier to decipher them.
John
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Anyone ever have the pleasure of seeing/driving the 550 Spyder at
http://www.ohler.com/ev/spyder/index.html? What did/didn't you like?
Thanks,
Ron Archer
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James
I know, it's just me being a curmudgeon. I even copied the box to Word and
blew it up 500%. I just couldn't get it right. I have seen other
verification boxes that I CAN read more easily. No, I don't want the
cheaters to win. Cheaters should be circumcised with a rusty tin can lid.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
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From: "James Massey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Bill Dube' and Killacycle staged for a win on Dragtimes
At 03:39 PM 1/09/06 -0700, David C. Wilker wrote:
Too bad the webmaster has that stupid verification thing on there. After
10 tries, I give up. Sorry, Bill.
G'day David
5 goes for me, but would you rather the cheaters get to the top? I had an
Email exchange with their webmaster a few months ago, someone went to all
the trouble of writing a computer program to fake IP addresses and read
the verification numbers! They had to make it as hard as they have to stop
the cheating.
There were a Merc and another car, IIRC that would jump ahead 500 votes
overnight, then sit for a few weeks until someone else caught up, then
jump ahead again. Not very subtle.
It'd be better for the verification to be on a dark page, so that it is
easier to see (a cheaters' computer doesn't care about the background of
the page).
Once Bill has been "featured time-slip of the month" there will no longer
be any EVs on their "top 10" list - just back in the pages on the previous
featured cars. Has no-one else got a respectable timeslip to put up?
Regards
[Technik] James
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Anyone ever have the pleasure of seeing/driving the 550 Spyder at
http://www.ohler.com/ev/spyder/? What did/didn't you like?
Thanks
Ron Archer
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Better late than never.
According to my sister-in-laws fit in my driveway the GRVW is 3446
On Tuesday, August 29, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Seth Rothenberg wrote:
Someone asked about GVWR of a Honda Civic -
it would be great to have a lead on
a reliable source for this info -
ConsumerGuide.com sometimes has curb and gvwr on one page,
but not for every car.
Someone mentioned Honda Fit to me,
and I looked a few places and did not find GVWR
Curb Weight is about 2400 lb.
Thanks
Seth
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Again, the glove box or the driver's side door jamb is
where this will be.
peace,
--- John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Better late than never.
>
> According to my sister-in-laws fit in my driveway
> the GRVW is 3446
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Seth
> Rothenberg wrote:
>
> > Someone asked about GVWR of a Honda Civic -
> > it would be great to have a lead on
> > a reliable source for this info -
> > ConsumerGuide.com sometimes has curb and gvwr on
> one page,
> > but not for every car.
> >
> > Someone mentioned Honda Fit to me,
> > and I looked a few places and did not find GVWR
> > Curb Weight is about 2400 lb.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seth
> >
>
>
Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? My $20 video/DVD
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Fix it, You'll be glad you did!
Are you gonna go racing later? Take this oppurtunity to get that
line-lock :-)
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In weight order...
carmake | carmodel | carweight
------------+---------------------------+-----------
Geo | Metro 3-door | 1591
Subaru | Justy 3-door | 1745
Honda | CRX | 1967
Mazda | Miata | 2182
Volkswagen | Fox 4-door | 2203
Mazda | 323 3-door | 2238
Volkswagen | Golf 5-door | 2246
Volkswagen | Golf GTI 16V | 2262
Geo | Storm | 2282
Plymouth | Horizon | 2296
Volkswagen | Jetta | 2305
Ford | Escort 5-door | 2310
Toyota | MR-2 | 2350
Subaru | Loyale wagon | 2370
Toyota | Corolla 4-door | 2390
Isuzu | Impulse | 2411
Chevrolet | Cavalier 2-door | 2436
Volkswagen | Jetta GLI 16V | 2440
Subaru | XT | 2455
Peugeot | 405S 4-door | 2460
Toyota | MR-2 Supercharged | 2493
Ford | Tempo | 2515
Acura | Integra 3 door | 2544
Alfa Romeo | Spider | 2550
Mazda | MX-6 | 2560
Honda | Prelude Si | 2571
Mitsubishi | Galant | 2601
Audi | 80 | 2612
Subaru | Legacy 4-door FWD | 2620
Toyota | Corolla 4-door All-trac | 2650
Dodge | Eagle Talon turbo | 2651
Nissan | 240SX | 2657
Toyota | Camry 4 cyl. | 2690
Volkswagan | Coraddo G60 | 2695
Toyota | Celica GT | 2696
Ford | Probe | 2731
Saab | 900 S 3-door | 2732
Ford | Mustang LX 4 cyl.) | 2759
Honda | Accord | 2773
Nissan | Stanza | 2788
Mazda | RX-7 | 2800
Chrysler | LeBaron V6 | 2810
Subaru | Legacy 4-door 4WD | 2830
Pontiac | 6000 | 2843
Acura | NSX | 2850
BMW | 325i | 2855
Mazda | RX-7 2+2 | 2880
Chevrolet | Celebrity 4-door | 2888
Volvo | 240 sedan | 2919
Audi | 100 | 2932
Volvo | 740 sedan | 2954
Ford | Taurus | 2956
Toyota | Celica GT-S | 2975
Mercedes | 190E 2.6 | 2995
Peugeot | 505 4-door | 2998
Porsche | 944 S2 | 2998
Chevrolet | Beretta 2-door | 3000
Saab | 9000 5-door | 3004
Porashe | 911 Carrera 2 | 3031
Mazda | RX-7 convertible | 3045
BMW | 325ix | 3054
BMW | M3 | 3055
Chevrolet | Camaro V6 | 3077
Audi | 200 | 3080
Dodge | Eagle Premier | 3083
Toyota | Camry All-Trac | 3086
Plymouth | Voyager | 3100
Mitsubishi | Sigma V6 | 3108
Chevrolet | Lumina 4-door V6 | 3122
Oldsmobile | Cutlass Supreme V6 2-door | 3133
Acura | Legend | 3139
Lexus | ES250 | 3163
Audi | V8 Quattro 20V | 3174
Pontiac | Grand Prix 2-door | 3186
Nissan | Maxima | 3193
Chrysler | TC by Maserati(turbo) | 3200
Mercedes | 300E sedan | 3210
Nissan | 300ZX | 3219
Chevrolet | Corvette | 3223
Sterling | 827 5-door | 3230
Porsche | 911 Carrera 4 | 3252
Toyota | Celica All-Trac Turbo | 3272
Buick | Electra | 3288
Nissan | 300ZX 2+2 | 3313
Oldsmobile | Ninety Eight | 3325
Pontiac | Bonneville | 3325
Infiniti | M30 | 3333
Alfa Romeo | 164s | 3335
Buick | Reatta | 3379
BMW | 525i | 3395
Volvo | 780 coupe | 3415
Toyota | Cressida | 3417
Jeep | Cherokee Limited | 3453
Oldsmobile | Toranado | 3462
Toyota | Supra | 3463
Cadillac | DeVille | 3466
Nissan | 300ZX Turbo | 3474
Mazda | 929 | 3477
Pontiac | Trans Sport | 3500
Porsche | 928 S4 | 3505
BMW | 335i | 3530
Chrysler | Imperial | 3570
Ford | Thunderbird | 3581
Lincoln | Continental | 3663
Lexus | LS400 | 3755
Lincoln | Mark VII | 3779
Chrysler | Town & Country | 3817
Ford | LTD Crown Victoria | 3821
BMW | 735i | 3835
Jaguar | XJ-6 | 3903
Mercedes | 560SEC | 3915
Mazda | MPV 4WD | 3920
Infiniti | Q45 | 3950
Mercedes | 500SL | 3970
Jaguar | XJ-S V-12 | 4015
Lincoln | Town Car | 4025
BMW | 750iL | 4235
Buick | Estate Wagon | 4281
Cadillac | Brougham | 4283
Range | Rover | 4389
(120 rows)
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Saw these on eBay - no pictures, and no rating for the seller:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160024771584
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The officer drew her gun. .She approached,
cautiously, as Wayland got the car to stop rolling. "What are you
doing?" she demanded, looking into the vacant engine compartment.
"Where's the motor?" "There isn't one," he remembers telling her. "It's
electric."
I've thought I've heard all your good stories but this one must be very
interesting. The Newbie horror story of not being able to stop. John if
you did a compilation of all your stories (like the time you were out of
control down hill on a Zappy scooter and couldn't slow down.) I'm sure it
would be interesting reading. You don't happen to have your best stories on
your site? I didn't look but it'd be nice if you did. Thanks for the
stories & was the Zappy really going 50 mph???? I can hardly wait to read
stories from the "Wayland Chronicles" Lawrence Rhodes........
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gsmith52362t6d? looks like an autogenerated username
not going to get any bidding, especially with no information and a starting
bid of $600?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:35 PM
Subject: EV VW parts
Saw these on eBay - no pictures, and no rating for the seller:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160024771584
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http://www.logisystemscontrollers.com
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From: "Patrick Maston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Curtis Controller Rebuilder?
> Hello. Does anyone on the list rebuild Curtis controllers? I have a
1231C that I want to have rebuilt. I asked Curtis about it and they want
almost as much as a new controller.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
>
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Man I'm confused. I thought that Honda weighed around that as Curb weight.
How did you get that info? Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cuirb weights. Lets start a list.
> 92 Honda Civic DX weighs 2220 stripped of AC, motor,
> radiator, etc.
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I drive a smart and routinely get ~52 mpg (US gallons) and I don't try
very hard. I have seen the numbers on one driver who tries and he gets
61 mpg mostly highway with some city. 74mpg is hard but probably
doable, you would have to drive highway and keep the speed around 45 to
50 mph to avoid the air resistance. I don't try hard and one major
section on my commute is about 10km highway at 100kph or 62mph.
I have been running it on mixed diesel / biodiesel for some time now. I
have wondered if I could drop the power plant and put an electric motor
in. The whole drive unit seems to be package and I understand the
dealer just drops it out the bottom for service. It would be neat to
have a plug and play electric package and just swap the diesel back in
for long trips. I gotta spend some time and find the service manuals
for the car some day.
Lawrence
Don Cameron wrote:
I am not sure where the rating of 40mpg comes from, but it is incorrect.
The Canadian govt rated this vehicle to get 61mpg city and 74mpg highway.
In US Gallons that would be 50mpg city and 61mpg highway. These are
realistic numbers, I have spoken with owners who are seeing these numbers.
These are very common vehicle on the west coast of Canada.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gordon Niessen
Sent: September 1, 2006 6:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SMARTcar on eBay
I bought a Honda Civic Vx in 1992 that got 42-46mpg. It had a 1.5L engine
and seated 4, costing only $11,600. I ran it for 8 years and 160,000 miles
before giving it to my Niece. She still has it and has put another 60,000
on it. And the last I heard it was still getting about 40mpg. The smart
car seems pretty dumb to me.
Now if it were electric I'd look at it.
At 8/31/2006 06:37 PM, you wrote:
It sounds like Zap (or one of their dealers) is clearing out cars again.
They did this with the original few they imported. From the couple
folks I've talked w/ that bought... 40MPG is actual mileage, in town or
out.
(Higher with the diesel engine.) That's, at least, better than the
30MPG for the best cars currently selling in the US, IMHO.
It's rated to get only 40mpg from a 700cc engine? Doesn't sound very
aerodynamic:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160024
644297
Needs that ICE crap yanked out and a little EV-ing instead!
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