EV Digest 5851
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Battery costs/pricing
by Patrick Maston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Electric Go-Kart track coming to town
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Electric Go-Kart track coming to town
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Reply Editing?
by "Rush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: driving an A/C compressor
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Reply Editing?
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Reply Editing?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Reply Editing?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: driving an A/C compressor
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: driving an A/C compressor
by "Jerry Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) subaru adapter plate help.
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Jerry Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: battery costs/pricing
by "Matt Kenigson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Generator Trailer
by Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: battery costs/pricing
by "Matt Kenigson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
19) Re: Reply Editing?
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: LEM Module use for current monitoring
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Building A Performace EV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Fwd: [whidbeyfreecycle] offer reposted free car
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: i'm Very skeptical
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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OK, I found my old contact info for U.S. Battery. I paid $43.55 ea for 20
US-2200s (which I think are a close match to the Trojan 115s) plus $143.33
shipping from their plant in California to Las Vegas where I used to live in
2004. It would probably cost a lot more for shipping to Arkansas, but I think
US Battery has several plants throughout the states, so you might be able to
get them shipped from a closer plant for a reasonable fee.
Contact person is:
David Mason
U.S. Battery Manufacturing Co.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(909) 371-8090
(909) 371-4671 FAX
Let him know that you are an EV hobbyist and would like the discount on the
batteries.
Please let us know how it goes.
Blue skies,
Patrick
----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark McCurdy
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: battery costs/pricing
gah, battery prices are inSANE in arkansas
just called interstate batteries here, they said their 6v 115ah batteries
were $73 each
I think I'd rather order some and have them shipped from me
anyone got suggestions on a good place?
---------------------------------
Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small
Business.
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I wonder what motor that is? Controller?
http://www.racep2r.com/karts.html
Really surprised at their battery setup. Exide Orbital Blue Tops?
Pretty impressive recharge time.
Anyone near Corona, CA?
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I couldn't find additional information about the motor
and control, wonder if anybody has a link with
additional information?
Rod
W8RNH
with two electric carts that use my 3 phase BLDC motor
and control that I designed for evaporator/condenser
cooling systems in transit/tour busses.
They have 100A peak on a 48V system using 4 12V 28Ahr
batteries from a UPS backup system.
(on busses these motors run at 55 amps continous with
a 27.6V system)
--- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder what motor that is? Controller?
>
> http://www.racep2r.com/karts.html
>
> Really surprised at their battery setup. Exide
> Orbital Blue Tops?
> Pretty impressive recharge time.
>
> Anyone near Corona, CA?
>
>
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 9 Sep 2006 at 8:38, Rush wrote:
>
>> I personally edit my replies to include only what I am addressing.
>
> For which we are all grateful! Thank you.
Just common netiquette
> However I think a significant contributor is the ubiquity of Outlook and
> Outlook Express. IIRC (I haven't had to use them in several years, thank
> goodness ;-) these programs' default is to append the entirety of the
> original message to the end of your new message, below your signature.
As with any program that comes installed or you personally install, take the
time to look thur it to see how you can change it to better suit your needs. In
Outlook to change the 'append or not append', go to Tools/Options/Send tab and
check or uncheck 'Include message in reply' box.
> 1. You could stop using Outlook and use some other more versatile client
> instead, such as Pegasus or Eudora. (There are MANY other alternatives and
> there is no need to use the mail program which came with your computer.)
I have used Pegasus and Eudora, I find that Outlook suits my simple needs.
> I hate to take up too much more bandwidth on this thread.
I have nothing more to say, I only wanted to show that using 'lines' as a basis
to cut down on message length was not fair. I wonder how the 'judgement' of
length will take in to account the various mailer programs...
> To email me privately, concatenate the mailname, sld, and tld given below,
> using the at sign and the dot, like this :
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mailname is evist
> sld is drmm
> tld is net
> Sorry for the antispam dodge.
By the way below are 2 ways I have found to fool the email harvesters... 1) can
be put in a web site in html language, 2) is just splitting up the email
address in two lines in a text message, both are effective in their respective
applications.
1)
<script language=javascript>
<!--
var showlink = "Email Me";
var showname = "RushD";
var showhost = "ironandwood.org";
document.write("<a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + showname + "@")
document.write(showhost +">" + showlink + "</a>")
//-->
</script>
2)
Rushd@
Ironandwood.org
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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I'm interested. Figured out where it came from yet?
Jude Anthony
Jerry Rhodes wrote:
Dave, I have a small controller I got for a scooter shop ( on the
internet) in Columbis OH it is about the size of a pack of smokes an
sold for $49 I'l dig out the info if you want, it's on my scooter
which I just got the batteries for last nite, le tme know
Jerry NWO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: driving an A/C compressor
--- Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My 1.5HP motor over-revved, turning the brushes glowing orange in
seconds. I'm not sure why; it appears to be a 120V permanent magnet
motor. Anyone willing to say if this ebay motor would work instead
from
144V of Optimas?
I also have a treadmill motor I'd like to use for AC and power
steering. My issue is finding a
controller for it. Has anyone found a reasonable controller for a
small motor? I've seen very
small PWM controllers, but nothing appropriate for this sized motor.
(And if I put another Zilla
in my car, it's going to be part of the drivetrain.)
Thanks
Dave COver
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This is obviously a representative here in the US of one of the many Chinese
companies now building electric vehicles. All you have to do is call them to
find out. In my opinion China is far ahead of the US in bringing viable and
affordable EVs to market. I will call on Monday myself to confirm my
suspicions but the broken English and the pictures of the vehicles on the
site lead me to this conclusion.
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
Why does the 4-6 passenger mini van look identical to the 1980 Jet
Industries ElectraVan? I find this suspicious, at best
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
On 9 Sep 2006 at 10:35, ROBERT GOUDREAU wrote:
> they can offer EVs at that price.
> http://www.fevehicle.com/services.html
These don't appear to be new vehicles. And notice that it says "Price
(starts from)." Maybe the body is optional. ;-)
This is interesting :
"the main features: voltage =72V, DC power =4.5KW, battery=2(6x100A),
current leakage time=3.5hrs, lead acid battery, full charging time
4-6hrs."
"Current leakage time"? Say what?
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Rush wrote:
> 'Lines' are relative.... You can see this by expanding and
> contracting the width of the pane that you see the message
> in. So the larger the pane, the less 'lines', the smaller the
> 'pane', the more lines. My Email program is Outlook Express,
> I'm not sure why, maybe somebody else has the tech knowledge
> to explain.
I use Outlook, and have it set to send plain text. Under Tools,
Options, Maul Format, select plain text for the message format. Click
Internet Format, and on the window that pops up you will see the ability
to set the plain text option of having Outlook automatically wrap your
lines at a fixed number of characters (I use 76).
This way, when you compose your message, your lines will expand with the
window size just as they do now, but when you send the message, Outlook
will automagically break the lines at a fixed 76 characters. This makes
it much nicer/easier for those replying to you messages, and sometimes
for people viewing them.
Outlook Express has the same ability: Tools, Options, Send. Select
plain text as the sending format, then click plain text options and
specify the number of characters you'd like OE to automatically wrap
your text at when sending.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Oh, please don't take this literally. Idea was to cut off
trails of replies to replies to replies.
You can limit amount of characters to some number.
You can have it set up so that if you really want
all entire reply to appear with no change, you put
(or add) a keyword command in the subject and then
list server does not change your message at all.
It's SMOP of list server.
The point is if you *consciously* want it, you can
send long email, but most of people just hit "reply"
without much thinking. I proposed to truncate *only
those* kinds of replies. Gurus can figure out how
to distinguish between them. Last thing I want is
to shut off people from posting what [and how long]
they want.
Victor
Rush wrote:
How about instructing web server to truncate every email
to EVDL to so many lines, say, 20 or 40?
Hi all,
'Lines' are relative.... You can see this by expanding and contracting the width
of the pane that you see the message in. So the larger the pane, the less 'lines',
the smaller the 'pane', the more lines. My Email program is Outlook Express, I
don't have any other email programs, and I'm sure that Outlook is the most
popular. Below is a perfect example of how 20 lines does not equal 20 lines, or 40
lines does not equal 40 lines. The way to see the number of lines is to count the
>'s, that is what Outlook considers to be the start of a line. The first post
is copied from Lee Hart and is 28 lines, signature included ( 3KB in size). The
next one is from Jim Husted and is 26 lines, including the signature, ( 7KB in
size). The width of Lee's email is fixed, whereas Jim's (and mine) will expand
or contract to fill up the pane width no matter the size.
I'm not sure why, maybe somebody else has the tech knowledge to explain. But in any case to define the length of the email by a specific line number is senseless.
I personally edit my replies to include only what I am addressing.
Just my .3Kwh worth.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: motor HP relation to ICE HP
William Padgett wrote:
Is there a reliable conversion between electric motor power and ICE
power? Or is it the same?
No, there is not. While the mechanical definition of horsepower is the
same, ICE and electric motor horsepowers are rated under totally
different conditions.
ICE manufacturers give you the absolute peak horsepower, obtainable for
one instant, with everything optimized to produce the biggest number
possible.
Electric motors generally give you the continuous-duty horsepower, that
the motor can produce for hours on end.
The other confusion factor is that an electric motor behaves more like a
transmission. It simply converts whatever (electrical) power you put in
into (mechanical) power out, at some basic efficiency. The supply
voltage and controller current determine the power input, and thus the
motor's power output -- not the motor itself. So, and electric moto's
"horsepower" only makes sense when they also specify the voltage and
current.
--
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citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
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From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVDL" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: From woodburn last year to WOW this year, Late Night Nationals Report
Hey Everyone
Well I'm finely back home and able to get some posting in!
I decided to play hooky Friday and shot from my place straight over to the Wayland's juice bar. I figured I'd miss breakfast being I didn't get a real early start. When I made it over the hill I called John, where one of his servants answered his phone. I was informed that it was still on going to my delight. I was passed over to John who had finished woofing down the 1/2 of waffle he was chewing on when I called 8^P. John took my order and Breakfast was served as I was sipping on my fresh cup of coffee 2 minutes after I arrived 8^ )
The Village Inn is so hospitable! I wanted a soda and told the guys I had to go get one as it was pretty hot out this weekend. They ran up behind me and asked me where I was going to get a one! I'm like Dahhh we're at a restaurant! Short story was, 4 of us all ordered pops and the gal Cheryl there said they were complimentary, as were a couple of refills, just great folks there! At one point during breakfast this big sewage sucking truck pulled along the side of the road and blocked like the whole car display from the road! John just couldn't believe it when they all got out. John mumbled something about having a Greek moment and shuffles out the door toward these heathens who have partitioned the show from traffic. Well John came back laughing, the guys had stopped to check the cars out, he he. The pulled up to where they were supposed to be working promptly, funny stuff though.
Off to the Juice bar! This is where Steve's video was shot, funny stuff! Describing the Juice bar for those who have not been there... It's like a big ant hill, some bringing things in, some out. Some struggling with things ten times their size while others swifting away small egg like pods, it's...unworldly! With Car and Driver there interviewing John I felt that Tim was going to finish reverse with no problem with the princess occupied. Tim worked through out the day as did most getting ready for the ride to PIR. Well I'm someone who will admit when I'm wrong, well John saved the day when he had to direct Tim on how to rework the mistakes Tim had done 8^ ( So although Tim is still Wonder boy to me, he has not yet achieved Plasma Boy abilities, LMAO!
Well Tim's screw up 8^P caused us to miss are 4:30 departure time so with FT and Roy in lead, a small group of us headed out to lock in the electric area where the power is. Well lets just say that trip was an adventure! Turns out that none of us had positive memories of how to get there so with this snake chain of cars we crisscrossed half of the metro-Portland area, LMAO!
Okay so now that we arrive at the track that same ant mentality starts up again and everything that was done at Waylands repeats backwards! That's how it felt to this ant anyway, he he. Running late and with a packed house at PIR things were hectic. Rudmans barking orders the NEDRA banner is hoisted and shirts laid out. Cars are plugging into the PFC's like clockwork when WZ pulled in with it's newly installed reverse! This is where it starts to get fun...
Ted West from Car and Driver lets Tim do the first run, maybe two. I missed a lot of the first runs as I was busy with raffle tickets and other support agendas, so others will have to chime in here. I did shoot some video as did Dan the airplane man who also came out to watch and learn about EV's so I'll get it to peeps when I can get it transferred. What I can say is that I got to tape a few Ted runs and as the evening wore on the burnouts got meaner, the times got better and it looked like he was having a ball. I hope it shows it on tape but on one burnouts the car started to do that crab walk thing and the nose started pointing to the wall as the front wheels strained to keep the rears from unleashing their fury. I remember thinking let up, let up, he he. Like I said I hope it comes out good as it was a good burnout 8^ )
Not all was well at the track though as Dave Cloud's car came back towed from a previous run. The damage was catastrophic! A fire broke out and was not put out before the whole motor / battery area burnt up 8^ ( Dave's heart had to be breaking but he kept the mood light and told stories of how he'd just spent two weeks getting his reverse going for this event. I'll post pics in memory in the Hall of Flames for those to pay their respects (and to gock) 8^ P
On some fun news Otmar pulled some batteries (because he's Otmar) and went for the 192 volt record and succeeding it with good margin 8^ ) GP had some good launches as Rod had locked the front end down which seemed to really help, but it's times were not as good as Rod was hoping for. Goldie ran without any problems but, being the first time Ive seen it run I'm not sure how it compared to prior events. There is so much more to tell but I'm really tired and must end now. I promise more tomorrow as well as posted pics.
Till then, One tired pup (but happy)(more on that tomorrow) 8^ )
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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Oh, please don't take this literally. Idea was to cut off
trails of replies to replies to replies.
You can limit amount of characters to some number.
You can have it set up so that if you really want
all entire reply to appear with no change, you put
(or add) a keyword command in the subject and then
list server does not change your message at all.
It's SMOP of list server.
The point is if you *consciously* want it, you can
send long email, but most of people just hit "reply"
without much thinking. I proposed to truncate *only
those* kinds of replies. Gurus can figure out how
to distinguish between them. Last thing I want is
to shut off people from posting what [and how long]
they want.
Victor
Rush wrote:
How about instructing web server to truncate every email
to EVDL to so many lines, say, 20 or 40?
Hi all,
'Lines' are relative.... You can see this by expanding ...
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Me too.
--- Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm interested. Figured out where it came from yet?
>
> Jude Anthony
>
> Jerry Rhodes wrote:
> > Dave, I have a small controller I got for a scooter shop ( on the
> > internet) in Columbis OH it is about the size of a pack of smokes an
> > sold for $49 I'l dig out the info if you want, it's on my scooter
> > which I just got the batteries for last nite, le tme know
> >
> > Jerry NWO
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I agree. If you look at the full screen photos of these EV's there are
large banners on the walls written in an oriental language.
Something just occurred to me...EV's have fewer parts than it's ICE
counterpart. That's one of the major selling points of EV's. So why are
mass produced EV's potentially more expensive than an ICE? Why can't EV's
be manufactured inexpensively?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
> This is obviously a representative here in the US of one of the many
Chinese
> companies now building electric vehicles. All you have to do is call them
to
> find out. In my opinion China is far ahead of the US in bringing viable
and
> affordable EVs to market. I will call on Monday myself to confirm my
> suspicions but the broken English and the pictures of the vehicles on the
> site lead me to this conclusion.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> EV Parts, Inc.
> www.evparts.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
>
>
> > Why does the 4-6 passenger mini van look identical to the 1980 Jet
> > Industries ElectraVan? I find this suspicious, at best
> > Don
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
> >
> >
> >> On 9 Sep 2006 at 10:35, ROBERT GOUDREAU wrote:
> >>
> >> > they can offer EVs at that price.
> >> > http://www.fevehicle.com/services.html
> >>
> >> These don't appear to be new vehicles. And notice that it says "Price
> >> (starts from)." Maybe the body is optional. ;-)
> >>
> >> This is interesting :
> >>
> >> "the main features: voltage =72V, DC power =4.5KW, battery=2(6x100A),
> >> current leakage time=3.5hrs, lead acid battery, full charging time
> > 4-6hrs."
> >>
> >> "Current leakage time"? Say what?
> >>
> >>
> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> >> EV List Assistant Administrator
> >>
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> >> To send a private message, please obtain my email address from
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> >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) will soon disappear.
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Jude, Dave, found it.. www.electricscooterparts.com it is a Curtis PMC
model 1505 PWM dc motor controller... all the spec sheets are on the site
for their parts.\, hope this helps, O I paid $52.65 shipped
Jerry NW Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude Anthony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: driving an A/C compressor
I'm interested. Figured out where it came from yet?
Jude Anthony
Jerry Rhodes wrote:
Dave, I have a small controller I got for a scooter shop ( on the
internet) in Columbis OH it is about the size of a pack of smokes an sold
for $49 I'l dig out the info if you want, it's on my scooter which I just
got the batteries for last nite, le tme know
Jerry NWO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: driving an A/C compressor
--- Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My 1.5HP motor over-revved, turning the brushes glowing orange in
seconds. I'm not sure why; it appears to be a 120V permanent magnet
motor. Anyone willing to say if this ebay motor would work instead
from
144V of Optimas?
I also have a treadmill motor I'd like to use for AC and power steering.
My issue is finding a
controller for it. Has anyone found a reasonable controller for a small
motor? I've seen very
small PWM controllers, but nothing appropriate for this sized motor.
(And if I put another Zilla
in my car, it's going to be part of the drivetrain.)
Thanks
Dave COver
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Michael Brown wrote
"Subarus and rotary Mazdas have a design that recesses
the flywheel into the back of the engine. This
requires a very thick and expensive adapter plate for
the electric motor. For that reason I don't recommend
them."--Page 31, CONVERT IT
Isn't that because he mills them out of piece of
aluminum? I mean he does great work, but perhaps
there's an easier method.
Could I make a stell plate and then add brackets on
the sides?
Here's a top view of the car minus ICE.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeak/238592966/
I was thinking the sides of the bell house could be
enlarged somewhat?
Seems to be many subaru's in my town, and it would be
pretty cool if I could figure this out.
Thanks,
Michael
Fairbanks, AK
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Rod, I hope they are still alive by monday the way the guys have been
beating them up ..VBG ..
Jerry NWO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
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Aha! Brilliant. Thanks for the explanation. I'll see what I can do about
this. I bet I'm not the only gmail user on the list, so thank you on behalf
of all of us... :)
Matt
On 9/9/06, David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 9 Sep 2006 at 9:37, Matt Kenigson wrote:
> Okay. Here's another example of a post that I don't see due to its
being
> sent in a non-text format.
There are two problems here.
1. Calvin King did not send a plain text post. His mail program (Apple
mail) sent a multipart MIME message in two formats, plain text and HTML.
The
list's html filter whacked off the html and replaced it with the warning
message, but left the plain text.
2. Your mail reader (Gmail) assumed that since this was a multipart
message
with html, that you'd want to see the html version. It had no idea that
the
the html had been blasted.
Calvin should set Apple Mail to send plain text ONLY, and you should tell
Gmail (if possible) to let you see the plain version, not the html
version,
in multpart messages.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Assistant Administrator
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:
Yup, but even when travelling long distances, I don't usually drive
1000 miles without a break!
So even if it doesn't quite keep up with power requirements, it should
extend the range considerably.
One other problem that has been mentioned in the past with respect to
portable gensets: the motors we use in our EVs are generally not rated
for extended use. Most of us drive less than an hour, rendering this
consideration moot. Will the insulation hold up to the heat of a
six-hour continuous trip's usage?
Jude "Spark Lad" Anthony
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Well, I can't find a setting for this, so I sent a feature suggestion
in to gmail. For those of you gmail users playing along at home, this
is how you can see the plain text message attached to one of those
annoying REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED boxes:
1) In the upper right-hand corner of the message with the box, click
on "more options"
2) Below the message headers, there will be some links presented.
Click on "Show original"
3) Scroll through the pop-up window that appears past the message
headers and you should be able to find the plain-text content.
If you want to quote the messge in a reply, remember you'll have to
cut-and-paste the portion you want to quote from the pop-up window,
then close the window, click on "reply", and paste in the portion you
wanted to quote. It would be list-friendly if you were to also add
">" characters to the beginning of each quote line.
Well, there you have it!
Of course, it would be really nice for all the rest of us if everyone
would be sure to set their email preferences so that outgoing messages
to the list always go out as plain-text only.
Thanks,
Matt
On 9/9/06, Matt Kenigson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aha! Brilliant. Thanks for the explanation. I'll see what I can do about
this. I bet I'm not the only gmail user on the list, so thank you on behalf of
all of us... :)
Matt
On 9/9/06, David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9 Sep 2006 at 9:37, Matt Kenigson wrote:
>
> > Okay. Here's another example of a post that I don't see due to its being
> > sent in a non-text format.
>
> There are two problems here.
>
> 1. Calvin King did not send a plain text post. His mail program (Apple
> mail) sent a multipart MIME message in two formats, plain text and HTML. The
> list's html filter whacked off the html and replaced it with the warning
> message, but left the plain text.
>
> 2. Your mail reader (Gmail) assumed that since this was a multipart message
> with html, that you'd want to see the html version. It had no idea that the
> the html had been blasted.
>
> Calvin should set Apple Mail to send plain text ONLY, and you should tell
> Gmail (if possible) to let you see the plain version, not the html version,
> in multpart messages.
>
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EV List Assistant Administrator
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In a message dated 9/9/2006 2:25:38 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something just occurred to me...EV's have fewer parts than it's ICE
counterpart. That's one of the major selling points of EV's. So why are
mass produced EV's potentially more expensive than an ICE? Why can't EV's
be manufactured inexpensively?
VOLUME!
ICE manufactures buy their parts in staggeringly large volumes. That makes
the end product much cheeper. EV's are more expensive because EV manufactures
can't buy the parts in large volume because they can't sell in large volume
because people won't pay the price of low volume. So, it's a catch 22 thing.
If the general public can, somehow, be swayed into buying EV's, the cost will
come down as the sales go up. But, people have to buy them first!
Ken
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> 3. You could eliminate your signature, so Outlook drops the quoted
text in
> where you notice it.
>
4. Set the listproc to stop sending email (but remain a member of the
list), read posts online (yahoo and other sites), and post from an
online email account.
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> It can do a fine job of replacing a shunt on a 96V system. What
feature
> is worrying you?
>
>
Mainly, how to wire it up!
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I just missed buying a used AC Propulsion system a couple of months ago new
they are 25 thousand the last time I checked.
The AC Propulsion vehicle is lighter than what I am building I would guess
by 800 to a 1000 pounds. I don't think one motor would do it. Using two of
their motors would be a large expense.
Running two motors is an option if they can drive one single drive shaft.
Don Blazer
In a message dated 9/9/2006 9:37:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How much money you got?
http://www.acpropulsion.com/ AC-150 Gen2 System is what you want...........
If you can afford it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Building A Performace EV
>I am looking to build a very fast EV with a minimum range of 40 or 50 mile
> under normal conditions.
>
> The vehicles I have bought weigh 1550 to 2000 pounds with the ICE still in
> them. Datsun 1200, Opel Kadet, Opel Manta. I looked at all the newer cars
> and
> they all started at about 2800 pounds.
>
> I picked these cars because they were the light vehicles and rear wheel
> drive that would not be too difficult to change over. As far as the visual
> looks
> of them they will be modified.
>
> The plan is to use a very heavy duty rear end and couple an AC motor
> directly to it with a drive line. I have NiMH batteries but am also
> considering the
> Valence batteries if the weight is still unacceptable.
>
> I do not have an AC motor yet and am concerned that it might not perform
> as
> I hope. I am going to be using a lot of regeneration with the hills in
> the
> area. I had a Solectria and one hill took 3 Ah to climb and I regained 1
> Ah on
> the way back.
>
> Any recommendations on the motor?
>
> Thanks
> Don Blazer
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If someone wants to do a REALLY low cost conversion, you could start
with something like this....
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "plushgirl_00" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:10:48 -0000
hi all free 1996 escort with 118k with large dent on pasenger side. car
over heated oil looks great but all the water leaked out car doesnt
start my husband noticed it over heating the car died and he coasted it
to the side of the road. its greenish alright interior i drove it with
kids its 2 door automatic. may be engine or may not be we dont know. it
has good tires on it.it also has dark tinted windows. good project car
for thr right person.... Also for some reason tranny locked up. . and
its free i live in concrete wash. near sedro-woolley. first come
first serve....email me for directions.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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More like a morphed Toyota Minivan. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
> Why does the 4-6 passenger mini van look identical to the 1980 Jet
> Industries ElectraVan? I find this suspicious, at best
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
>
>
> > On 9 Sep 2006 at 10:35, ROBERT GOUDREAU wrote:
> >
> > > they can offer EVs at that price.
> > > http://www.fevehicle.com/services.html
> >
> > These don't appear to be new vehicles. And notice that it says "Price
> > (starts from)." Maybe the body is optional. ;-)
> >
> > This is interesting :
> >
> > "the main features: voltage =72V, DC power =4.5KW, battery=2(6x100A),
> > current leakage time=3.5hrs, lead acid battery, full charging time
> 4-6hrs."
> >
> > "Current leakage time"? Say what?
> >
> >
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> > EV List Assistant Administrator
> >
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> >
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Maybe the photo is misleading, but the tires on this mini van look small (10 or
12 inch maybe?). The Jet ElectraVan is based on a 1980 Subaru 600 Mini Van.
Don
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From: Lawrence Rhodes<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
More like a morphed Toyota Minivan. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
> Why does the 4-6 passenger mini van look identical to the 1980 Jet
> Industries ElectraVan? I find this suspicious, at best
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
>
>
> > On 9 Sep 2006 at 10:35, ROBERT GOUDREAU wrote:
> >
> > > they can offer EVs at that price.
> > >
http://www.fevehicle.com/services.html<http://www.fevehicle.com/services.html>
> >
> > These don't appear to be new vehicles. And notice that it says "Price
> > (starts from)." Maybe the body is optional. ;-)
> >
> > This is interesting :
> >
> > "the main features: voltage =72V, DC power =4.5KW, battery=2(6x100A),
> > current leakage time=3.5hrs, lead acid battery, full charging time
> 4-6hrs."
> >
> > "Current leakage time"? Say what?
> >
> >
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> > EV List Assistant Administrator
> >
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former contact address
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just like computers got much cheaper
because they are coming out in such massive quantities
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: i'm Very skeptical
In a message dated 9/9/2006 2:25:38 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something just occurred to me...EV's have fewer parts than it's ICE
counterpart. That's one of the major selling points of EV's. So why are
mass produced EV's potentially more expensive than an ICE? Why can't EV's
be manufactured inexpensively?
VOLUME!
ICE manufactures buy their parts in staggeringly large volumes. That
makes
the end product much cheeper. EV's are more expensive because EV
manufactures
can't buy the parts in large volume because they can't sell in large
volume
because people won't pay the price of low volume. So, it's a catch 22
thing.
If the general public can, somehow, be swayed into buying EV's, the cost
will
come down as the sales go up. But, people have to buy them first!
Ken
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