EV Digest 5872
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVLN(Steven Mueller's 98 Ford Ranger EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EVLN(The co$t of EV commuting)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) EVLN(Hot-pink 3-wheeled Xebra EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: fevehicle.com
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5) Re: Australian EV group
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Potter & Brumfield Relay for Ceramic Heater
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Another One!
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: fast EV
by "John J Januszewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Dateline is stirring interest in EVs down under
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Battery Pricing
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: fast EV
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Battery Pricing
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EV-200 on e-bay
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) replacement shaft end for stater / generator 2CM77
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Bizarre ADC 8" intermittency?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Cobasys NiMH battery module contract
by John Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Australian EV group
by DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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EVLN(Steven Mueller's 98 Ford Ranger EV)
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http://www.wsbtv.com/money/9803537/detail.html
Clark Howard Investigates Electric Vehicles
POSTED: 11:51 am EDT September 7, 2006
ATLANTA -- Despite big drops in gas prices recently, were still
paying more than a year ago! Most of us would love a way to cut
the costs of driving. Channel 2 Consumer Advisor Clark Howard
shows you one local mans solution that Clark is about to try!
Steven Mueller doesnt have to travel far to fuel his truck. And
when he backs out of his Gwinnett County driveway, you have to
strain to hear the engine.
Steven and his wife bought a 1998 Ford Ranger EV to save money
and protect the environment. Its no longer in production but
Steven believes it should be!
Its exactly like a Ford Ranger, the only difference its
electric, says Steven.
A 90 horsepower engine, no emissions and it costs just pennies a
day to run!
We put like 40 or 50 miles a day on this vehicle driving locally
here. And like I said, its oly $5 a month we spend on
electricity, explains Steven.
Clark says, Five bucks a month? Thats my kind of price! You
know I like cars and Ive owned hybrids before. Now Im on the
list for the next generation of electric cars!
Hybrid cars have stolen the spotlight in recent years and they do
save gas. But several manufacturers are already or plan to soon
start, making electric cars that require no gasoline at all.
Steven says he felt the electric vehicle was a better buy and a
bargain in the long run.
We havent had any type of maintenance on it at all, says
Steven.
For those who think electric cars and trucks cant compete on the
road? Stevens truck reaches speeds of 75 miles per hour on the
highway, and can go between 50 and 60 miles between charges.
And you never have to stop at a gas station.
If youre driving, commuting less than 50 miles a day back and
forth to work, this is the vehicle you should be driving, says
Steven.
Steven declined to tell us how much he paid for his Ranger he
bought it from the Acworth Power Company. But he says hes seen
the same model on eBay and on electric vehicle sites for about
$20,000.
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http://www.redding.com/redd/nw_science_tech/article/0%2C2232%2CREDD_17538_4969630%2C00.html
A big plug for electric cars By BRUCE SICELOFF September 4, 2006
Your math may vary, but here's how Sam L. Rogers figures the cost
of commuting in his electric car:
About a penny per mile to recharge the batteries. He plugs his
ordinary-looking 1995 Geo Prizm into a household electrical
outlet.
Plus about $2,000 when it comes time to replace the batteries,
which he hopes will last 25,000 miles. That will be another 8
cents per mile.
That's about it - roughly 9 cents a mile. By comparison, he
points out, a car that runs 30 miles on a gallon of $3 gas costs
10 cents per mile for fuel.
"It works out to about the same cost as driving a gasoline
vehicle in terms of dollars you'd pay out for gas," said Rogers,
57, of Raleigh, N.C. But there are some bonuses.
"You do eliminate things like frequent oil changes, belts, spark
plugs, tune-ups, things of that nature. They just don't exist on
an electric vehicle. The only maintenance is the battery
itself."
Rogers doesn't want to say what he spent for the car when he
bought it used in January. But he says he is considering an even
swap with the owner of an electric compact pickup truck listed on
eBay recently for $10,000.
His electric vehicle was one of eight or nine on display recently
at an EV Expo at the Galaxy Cinema in Cary, N.C. EV devotees
organized the event around the local premiere of a documentary
film, "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
The movie centers on the short history of the battery-powered
EV1, introduced in California by General Motors in 1996. In 2003
GM repossessed the cars, which had been leased rather than sold
to drivers, and destroyed them.
Other manufacturers briefly made and sold a few models in
California, but the few passenger electric cars and small trucks
on the road today are mostly converted gas vehicles. Their
engines and tanks have been replaced with electric motors and
batteries. Speakers and displays at the EV Expo included other
automobile alternatives such as ethanol and bio-diesel, and
"plug-in hybrids" - commercial gas-electric hybrid cars modified
with added batteries. It was packed, Rogers said.
"About 800 people showed up," Rogers said. "They gave us EV
owners a free pass to the movie, and I almost couldn't find a
seat when I got in there."
Don F.P. Crohan II, a counseling psychologist in Raleigh,
organized the EV Expo with the help of several local
organizations. Crohan drives a converted 1986 Pontiac Fiero that
he bought in January.
"You wouldn't know it's an electric car, except that it's quiet
and there aren't any fumes," Crohan said.
Crohan and Rogers say their cars have plenty of power around town
and at highway speeds.
"Driving it is extremely smooth," Rogers said. "There are no gear
changes. Very smooth acceleration. The most fun part is when you
let off the accelerator to slow down, you put energy back in your
batteries.
"That's impossible with a gas engine - when you slow down, you
cannot put gas back in the tank."
Rogers' employer permits him to plug in for a recharge at his
workplace, and he recharges it again at home - usually on a
slow-charge setting for about seven hours.
"I just like the idea of not using any fossil fuel - no war is
fought over it, and all that good stuff," Rogers says.
Then he laughs and acknowledges that fossil fuels do provide a
lot of our electricity.
[...]
(E-mail Bruce Siceloff at bruce.siceloff(at)newsobserver.com.)
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service,
www.scrippsnews.com.)
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EVLN(Hot-pink 3-wheeled Xebra EV)
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http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2006/09/01/news/regional/626b673ad0d30345872571db00661282.txt
Woman gets charge out of three-wheeled car
By FELICIA RUSSELL (Longmont) Daily Times-Call
LONGMONT, Colo. (AP) -- Some laugh. Many point. And others ask
for rides.
Kay Evatz has been getting a lot of attention since a hot-pink,
three-wheeled electric car was delivered to her north Longmont
home Aug. 14. The ride in the 4.5-foot-wide Zap Xebra gets a bit
bumpy on rough roads, and it's somewhat slow on hills. But Evatz
said she loves her new town car.
"I'm getting to know the best streets in Longmont for the least
bumpy ride," she said.
There are some disadvantages to her new ride -- it can't carry
more than 500 pounds -- but for Evatz, the Xebra is the best
alternative to pollution and high gas prices.
"It used to be $20 to fill my tank; now it's $40. ... This year,
to drive to school is going to cost me twice as much," she said.
Evatz works as a media specialist at an elementary school in the
Adams 12 School District. Her school is too far away to drive the
all-electric Xebra, which has a 40-mile range at 45 mph on fully
charged batteries, so she'll continue to use her Chevrolet Cougar
to drive to and from work. However, she plans to use the Xebra
for all her around-town travels.
"I really think I'm going to be able to save $20 a week," she said.
Evatz bought her Xebra from S.T. Tripathi, who owns Elizabeth
R.V. and Automotive Center. Tripathi is the only auto dealer in
the state who sells the Xebra and the SMART car, a
gasoline-powered car that gets 70 miles per gallon.
"I want to sell 5,000 of these (Xebras) this year," Tripathi said.
He got his first shipment of Xebras at the beginning of August
and sold all six cars. He has a second shipment of three more
cars, and two have already been sold. The cars are being bought
by people as far away as Alabama.
Evatz is the first person in Boulder County to buy a Xebra,
Tripathi said. She had hoped to buy one with black and white
zebra stripes but had to settle for lipstick pink. However, she
is considering painting white stripes on the car to make it a
"She-Z," with feminine zebra stripes.
Evatz hopes to use the car as part of her school's "Get Wild
About Reading" program. This year, students who read 100 or more
books will earn a ride in the low-pollution Xebra.
The Xebra is powered by six batteries that Evatz charges with a
100-foot extension cord that she keeps coiled inside a paper
hatbox in the back seat. Whenever the batteries need a boost,
Evatz just plugs the car into a 110-volt wall outlet.
George Douglas, a spokesman for the National Renewable Energy
Laboratory in Golden, said that even though most electricity in
Colorado comes from coal-fired power plants, the emissions caused
by generating the electricity necessary to power an electric car
are several times cleaner than tailpipe emissions from a
gasoline-powered car.
In fact, if Evatz charges her car at night when demand for
electricity is low, she'll be drawing from voltage that Xcel
produces whether it's used or not, he said.
"In other words, she's not making any new pollution and she's
avoiding the pollution of a gasoline-powered car," Douglas said.
"So it's a win-win."
In 2000, Evatz was interested in buying one of General Motors'
first electric cars, the EV-1. However, the EV-1 was available
for lease in Arizona and California only. GM canceled the program
in 2003 and repossessed the cars, crushing Evatz's hope of owning
her own electric car.
While some historians think electric vehicles may have appeared
as early as 1830, J.K. Starley and Fred M. Kimball are generally
credited with building the first practical electric cars in
1888.
Electric cars were a popular form of high-end transportation in
the early 20th century, but the more powerful and longer-ranging
internal combustion engine vehicles soon pushed battery-powered
cars to the realm of tinkerers.
In the late 1990s, several car manufacturers -- including GM --
introduced a new generation of more powerful electric vehicles.
None of them are on the market.
Last month, Evatz's interest in electric vehicles was renewed
when she read in Popular Mechanics magazine that each gallon of
gas burned releases 19 cubic feet of carbon dioxide, a gas that
contributes to global warming.
The Xebra was Evatz's first opportunity to own an electric car.
"This one is the best we have available now, so I bought it, but
it's not as good as the GM car," she said.
On a recent Thursday morning, Evatz was on her way to a birthday
party. With little more than the whir of a fan, she and the Xebra
were on the move.
"Maybe it's good gas went up so high. Maybe people will start
thinking about getting something else," she said. "Hopefully, in
the next five years, people will force GM to put that car back on
the market. ...People are ready."
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regarding the fevehicle.com
I like the price, but I can't expalin a 115 mile range on 72 Volts & 4.5 kw
of lead acid batteries. I have 34 kW for range of 50 (using 50% discharge)
Its hard enough to explain 70 mph on 72 Volts.
I wouldn't trust it until there is more detail and proven road data on the
car. There are no refunds on something shipped over the ocean.
It'll probably be proven to have 30 to 40 mile range unless you have LIION
or a larger PbA pack.
Ben
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At 08:45 AM 14/09/06 -0700, you wrote:
There is the AEVA, the Australian Electric Vehicle Association,
http://www.aeva.asn.au but please send them as much info and links as possible.
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
G'day Rod, Chelsea and all
From what I gather the Sydney branch is starting to get active, but apart
from that the Australian EVA has been dormant for the best part of a
decade. This may have changed in the last few months, as my information on
the AEVA came via an ex-friend (as a result of what he did in becoming an
ex-employee). Apart from the AEVA though, there is pretty much a collection
of individuals doing things in isolation, and a few forklift/RE businesses
who are happy to do what they can to help an EV converter, but are not
focussed on EVs at all, and may not be in a position to give meaningful advice.
I know this sounds negative and unhelpful, those who are in the AEVA
branches should jump in at this point and say what they're up to. (I'm
tipping you won't hear from anywhere other than Sydney).
Regards
[Technik] James
Isolated in Tasmania
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Here are two (possibly) interesting things that I learned installing a
ceramic heater element in my Echo.
First - the original ICE car had a PTC ceramic heater element incorporated
into the same frame that held the coolant-heated element.
It was only about 600 watts, and was set to turn on only when: 1. the
coolant is not hot. 2. the heat control is on max. 3. The heater fan is
on,. and, 4. the car has been moving faster than 15 MPH for more than 5
seconds. It's apparently meant for a little fast heat before the engine
warms up, and, since it draws so much 12V current, it only turns on if the
car is moving so as not to draw down the battery.
Second - the ceramic element I bought and installed ( I got it from KTA -
but it looks like the same one EVParts sells) draws the most current when
warm, not cold. When it's dead cold, it draws less current. The current
rises as it heats up - until it gets above a certain temperature, when the
current drops again.
SO, in the car, the heater actually draws less power on the highest fan
setting, because the airflow is too high to allow the heater to be very
warm.
Because of this, ( and to save 12V power) I defeated the highest fan speed.
Phil
From: Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Potter & Brumfield Relay for Ceramic Heater
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:26:02 -0700
To avoid all that switching of multiple relays and stuff,
I thought that when using a ceramic heater, the speed of
the fan will impact the amount of heat produced by the
heater, as it is self-regulating due to its property of
large increase of resistance with higher temps, so it
will draw less current at low fan speed due to the element
being hotter, as the air is not removed quickly and drawing
more current (producing more heat) at higher fan speeds.
I have heard of people simply using one relay to switch the
heating element on as soon as one of the heater positions is
chosen and still regulate the heat with the fan speed.
It could be necessary (or safer) to remove the lowest fan speed
(wire it as the next higher speed) if that would result
in very high temperature from the element, possibly too high
to be safe for the air ducts and controls.
Hope this helps,
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lee Hart
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Potter & Brumfield Relay for Ceramic Heater
MIKE WILLMON wrote:
> My fan switch has 4 indents. My thought is that I could get 3 more
> of these KUEP-11D15-12 and tap each fan speed power input to a coil
> on a KUEP-11D15-12.
If I understand it correctly, you want to use the fan motor voltage to
operate the relays? If so, this won't work.
The low/medium/high fan speed is accomplished with a resistor controller
(just like EVs in the 1900's). Low connects a higher resistance between
12v and the fan (~6v at the motor), Medium a lower resistance (~9v), and
High is direct to 12v with no resistor.
Relays depend on "instantaneous" application and removal of coil current
to turn on and off quickly. If you apply a low or slowly ramping
voltage, the contacts open and close slowly. This makes them arc more,
and reduces their voltage rating.
So, if you connect a relay coil across the fan, it sees a voltage that
slowly ramps up as the fan comes up to speed, and slowly ramps down when
the fan is turned off (it's a PM motor, and so acts as a generator). The
relay's contacts will quickly burn up.
If you use separate relay coils for each fan speed, each wired ahead of
the fan speed dropping resistors, the relays pull in fast, but still
drop out slowly due to the generated voltage from the motor.
> I would series the poles on each of the DPDT relays to be able to
> break my 192V
Each contact of the DPDT version is rated 3amps at 150vdc MAXIMUM.
Exceed these limits and the life goes down fast. Two contacts in series
will be ok for your 192vdc pack, which could reach perhaps 250vdc during
charging.
> and the 1.25A draw (average) from each individual element in the
> ceramic module should be within the range of the 3A contact rating.
It's clever to wire each element of the ceramic heater to its own relay
contacts. But what matters to the relay is the PEAK heater current that
it has to switch; not the average. I'd be surprised if the peak current
for *each* element isn't in excess of 4 amps. Test it at the coldest
ambient temperature, maximum supply voltage, and maximum airflow.
Heaters are tricky because the failure modes can be catastrophic. I'd
suggest doing a FMEA (Failure Mode Effect Analysis). This means you
consider each part individually; what is its worst failure mode, and
what happens next if it occurs? From best to worst-case:
Best: - system quits working safely, and user can tell it's broken
- system generates some kind of warning or alarm, but still works
- system keeps working, with no apparent consequences
Worst: - system sticks "on", melts down, starts a fire, etc.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Hi EVerybody;
Just took delivery on another EV, well EV wannabee. The Junkyard guy just
brought over my NEW Sentra; A 97 4 door sedan, with the gas engine GONE! Gas
tank, too. it is a rolling donar that is a complete, non working, but CLEAN
silver automobile. I was out in the rain washing it, and NO dings, dents or
ANYTHING that I have to do to repair it. Just convert it.It is a clean, rust
free car. In Corrupticut that is saying something!, EVen underneith, upholstery
clean. If ya met my Silver Sentra I went to PDX ewith twice, looks like that.It
set me back 500 bux, but the TIME I will save NOT having to do remedial
bodywork, it's worth it.Will do my signature fiberglass grill filling thing.
Quick taping around I can fit 5 badderies in front easily, havent crawled
under the back to see where the saber saw will go. I think 10 will go in
nicely. Funny the Family resemblence of Sentras, from 78 to 97 is very similar.
Wish I had THIS car a few years ago I woulda junked the 87 in a heartbeat!Looks
like the same adapter plate?Driving the 78 will give me an idea how a 90 volt
97 would be like. Other thoughts is to go 12 volt and a higher voltage like a
Force?I don't wanna make a Led Sled out of it, but I wanna see it keep up with
traffic, not at PIR, but around town.The pretty Inpulse 9 asked if it could go
in, so I think it would be happy there, A Rapture controller an' a PFC -30.
Hey! Rich? How's my PFC -30 heeling? Gunna need it someday?
The EVer growing collection of cars sez" Cottage Industry"Wew'll see if
there is an EV market?
Seeya
Bob.
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http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/
Anyone seen this before?
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Subject: electric car
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:58:56 +0100
From: Edward Brightman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Just seen this video, will yours be quite this fast?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3624337653720181416&sourceid=zeitgeist
Very impressive stuff.
ED
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Yes, the interest in EVs is up and growing everywhere. The EV Album
site is getting a real workout, August averaged about 5100 page
impressions per day for a total of 306,778 for the month. So far it
is even higher for September, 118,204 total or about 8443 per
day. Since it is counting page impressions, I don't really know how
many visitors that is, but it has to be a bunch.
Thanks again to Aaron Choate for hosting it and Jerry Halstead for
the killer code, the site has been rock solid under the load.
Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV Photo Album
http://evalbum.com
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one word from this side of the pond:
THANKS !
hope it would be possible someday to have Chris Paine Movie this side
too...why not with canadian soundtrack :^)
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
> Wow - there are currently 56 seeds (people who have already downloaded
> it and are still sharing it with the world) and 19 peers (people still
> downloading and sharing what they have)
>
> I was expecting both these numbers to be less than 5.
>
> Cool!
>
> Mark
> P.s. thanks for the link - I may be in Aus, but I don't get SBS :-)
>
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ankers
> > Subject: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
> >
> > Found this on mininova:
> >
> > http://www.mininova.org/tor/422839
> >
> >
>
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I recently purchased them from Pacific Power Battery in Everett WA for
$169 each (qty. 10.) I just called them and they told me $172.95 each
(if you get a manager and tell them how many you want you will likely
get a slight price break.) That is a lot better price that you where
quoted but it is a few extra miles away.
Paul G.
On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:36 PM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
I just priced Optima YT's (Ground 34) for the Sparrow I'm getting.
$212 ea in Qty 13.
This is from the local interstate dealer.
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>
> http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/
>
You have to get a sign-in at http://www.arielatom.com/ to "build your
own" Atom for US purchase -- with just about every option, it's $50K
for a 1000lb street-legal racer with a 300hp motor. The site says Jay
Leno already has one, so maybe Mr Wright can challenge him to a drag
race. Isn't this a more honest comparison than a high-end luxury
sportscar like a Ferrari or Porsche? Maybe Jay will agree to carry a
grossly overweight passenger to level the playing field.
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> I recently purchased them from Pacific Power Battery in Everett WA for
> $169 each (qty. 10.) I just called them and they told me $172.95 each
> (if you get a manager and tell them how many you want you will likely
> get a slight price break.) That is a lot better price that you where
> quoted but it is a few extra miles away.
>
My local Costco has both the blue- and yellow-tops, about $162-167 each
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EV-200 PANELA LIKE NEW WITH CARD Item number: 150033739966
$950 seems like a lot of $
I don't know what an EV-200 can do, but I thought these were pretty powerful
controllers.
Steve
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I hear they are replacable (a simple bolt on). Where can I get a new shaft end?
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Howdy!
Well this is a new one...
I charged the EV while outside last night. Humidity
up, temp down (5C)?
When I went out to drive it at 5:40 am, the Raptor 600
turned on the green LED; dash lit up, and... no motor.
Took the gas-burner to my meeting, then back at 7:15
to see what happened in the light.
Jiggled the A1-S2 cables, turned on the keyswitch,
and... no problems.
So here I am, wondering why.
a) Loose field coil issue.
b) brush carbon dust inside the motor causing an
intermittency.
I'm also wondering if a strange rattly sound I have on
hard acceleration is related to it.
For the short term, it's on the road again, but my
grin is more of a look of perplexion.
Your ideas?
Thanks as always!
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Hello everybody,
This is a test, see if you can solve it.
I am inspecting and test run all my electric heating for my EV which totals
120 VAC 60hz at 20.8 amps @ 2500 watts.
A alternator-inverter rated at 7kw at 120 VAC is ran off the pilot shaft of
the main motor.
The motor has to be running at about 350 rpm for the alternator-inverter to
be excited, raising the voltage to 120 vac.
Running the EV with a motor ampere at 150 amps and the battery ampere at 45
amps, I turn on the heating system, and the motor remain at 150 amps and
battery ampere still is at 45 amps?
I normally run the alternator-inverter with a HoneyWell 180 vac motor that
comes off the battery pack in the summer time. The main motor powers the
alternator-inverter during the winter time when the streets are icy and snow
pack. This gives me some mechanical REGEN (slows the EV down)
The HoneyWell motor draws about 12 amps at 180 volts, but when my main motor
drives the alternator-inverter, why is there no ampere increase in the motor
amps? I have two motor ampere meters and both read exactly the same.
If this is the case, I am going to not use the Honeywell motor to drive
these units.
Do you think that the mechanical REGEN has something to do with this? or at
dead level constant speed cruise, the motor amperes reduces a bit canceling
out the increase of the heater load?
Roland
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This appeared in Auto Spectator
(http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5807) :
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Rod: In the future I'll just post a link if that's preferred.
John
EV Wannabe (heavily leaning toward Gonnabe)
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Roland,
At your 180V battery level, you would see about 14A difference
between no load and 2500W heating when ignoring the conversion losses
(I am ignoring the idle losses as the alternator is already on the
motor even when not loaded)
There are several ways how the AC load can "not show up" when you
switch the heater on:
1. The heater is broken or its thermostat says it does not
need to heat and therefore it draws 0 amps
2. Your controller regulates to a certain amount of amps, so when
adding (inverter) load it takes away from the propulsion but does
not change the motor or battery amps (until the car starts slowing
down, then the motor will start turning slower)
3. You accidentally let the accelerator up a bit when switching
on the load, so the total power to the motor did not change.
4. The idle losses are so high that switching on the load only
causes some of these idle loads to disappear, total power did not
change (I find this hard to believe).
There probably are more.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Roland Wiench
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:39 PM
To: ev
Subject: Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
Hello everybody,
This is a test, see if you can solve it.
I am inspecting and test run all my electric heating for my EV which totals
120 VAC 60hz at 20.8 amps @ 2500 watts.
A alternator-inverter rated at 7kw at 120 VAC is ran off the pilot shaft of
the main motor.
The motor has to be running at about 350 rpm for the alternator-inverter to
be excited, raising the voltage to 120 vac.
Running the EV with a motor ampere at 150 amps and the battery ampere at 45
amps, I turn on the heating system, and the motor remain at 150 amps and
battery ampere still is at 45 amps?
I normally run the alternator-inverter with a HoneyWell 180 vac motor that
comes off the battery pack in the summer time. The main motor powers the
alternator-inverter during the winter time when the streets are icy and snow
pack. This gives me some mechanical REGEN (slows the EV down)
The HoneyWell motor draws about 12 amps at 180 volts, but when my main motor
drives the alternator-inverter, why is there no ampere increase in the motor
amps? I have two motor ampere meters and both read exactly the same.
If this is the case, I am going to not use the Honeywell motor to drive
these units.
Do you think that the mechanical REGEN has something to do with this? or at
dead level constant speed cruise, the motor amperes reduces a bit canceling
out the increase of the heater load?
Roland
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I think this may be a answer.
I preheated the heaters before I left with commercial power by using a
transfer switch.
The high limits turn off the heaters and there is a 20 degree differential
before they come on again.
The cabin heated up to 80 degrees which turns off the thermostats.
I then open the door to get which cools down a little, but not enough for
the heater fans to come on.
Driving about 2 miles and then the fans come on, but the heater elements did
not cool down to 20 degrees below the maximum cutout.
The fans only draw about 0.5 amp, so I don't notice and difference in motor
amps.
Start to coast down a long 2 mile hill, the heater limits turn on the heater
element. I can feel this holding the EV back a little.
While coasting down hill, the motor and battery amps are now reading 0 amps,
but still turning the alternator-inverter which is still producing power.
I drive this route every day, and if I preheat and time this distance just
right for the heaters to come on again, while I am coasting down a hill,
the motor and battery amps are at zero.
My heaters are turn wide open, so I can heat as much as I can when I coast.
Then when I see the temperature getting to where the high limit switch will
kick in, I then have a master switch that operates a solid state 100 amp
relay that opens the heating circuit at that time.
This is how I can heat my EV with hardly any motor and battery ampere.
I thinking of coming off the micro switch on the accelerator to the
Auto-Off-Manual heater control switch, so when I have it in Auto position,
it will turn off the heaters while the motor power is on.
This is what I call Mechanical REGEN.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
> Roland,
>
> At your 180V battery level, you would see about 14A difference
> between no load and 2500W heating when ignoring the conversion losses
> (I am ignoring the idle losses as the alternator is already on the
> motor even when not loaded)
>
> There are several ways how the AC load can "not show up" when you
> switch the heater on:
>
> 1. The heater is broken or its thermostat says it does not
> need to heat and therefore it draws 0 amps
>
> 2. Your controller regulates to a certain amount of amps, so when
> adding (inverter) load it takes away from the propulsion but does
> not change the motor or battery amps (until the car starts slowing
> down, then the motor will start turning slower)
>
> 3. You accidentally let the accelerator up a bit when switching
> on the load, so the total power to the motor did not change.
>
> 4. The idle losses are so high that switching on the load only
> causes some of these idle loads to disappear, total power did not
> change (I find this hard to believe).
>
> There probably are more.
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tel: +1 408 542 5225 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Fax: +1 408 731 3675 eFAX: +31-87-784-1130
> Proxim Wireless Networks eFAX: +1-610-423-5743
> Take your network further http://www.proxim.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Roland Wiench
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:39 PM
> To: ev
> Subject: Electric Heating System at 0 amp?
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> This is a test, see if you can solve it.
>
> I am inspecting and test run all my electric heating for my EV which
> totals
> 120 VAC 60hz at 20.8 amps @ 2500 watts.
>
> A alternator-inverter rated at 7kw at 120 VAC is ran off the pilot shaft
> of
> the main motor.
>
> The motor has to be running at about 350 rpm for the alternator-inverter
> to
> be excited, raising the voltage to 120 vac.
>
> Running the EV with a motor ampere at 150 amps and the battery ampere at
> 45
> amps, I turn on the heating system, and the motor remain at 150 amps and
> battery ampere still is at 45 amps?
>
> I normally run the alternator-inverter with a HoneyWell 180 vac motor that
> comes off the battery pack in the summer time. The main motor powers the
> alternator-inverter during the winter time when the streets are icy and
> snow
>
> pack. This gives me some mechanical REGEN (slows the EV down)
>
> The HoneyWell motor draws about 12 amps at 180 volts, but when my main
> motor
>
> drives the alternator-inverter, why is there no ampere increase in the
> motor
>
> amps? I have two motor ampere meters and both read exactly the same.
>
> If this is the case, I am going to not use the Honeywell motor to drive
> these units.
>
> Do you think that the mechanical REGEN has something to do with this? or
> at
> dead level constant speed cruise, the motor amperes reduces a bit
> canceling
> out the increase of the heater load?
>
> Roland
>
>
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Chelsea,
Welcome. Just an fyi, There have been several TV and movie productions
made and/or based out of Australia that address the alternative fuel
subject. One bloke that had/has? a TV show in Australia is Shaun Murphy,
he is a big promoter of alt fuels and electrics in his country. He made
an alternative fuel roadtrip movie across half of Australia a few years
ago. Recently, he filmed and released the "CoolFuel Roadtrip" series here
in the states, he utilizes EVs through more than half of the 16,000 mile
trip! It was a kick to lend him my Voltbuggy on his leg through Arizona.
It just finished its first round of distribution here, I am sure it is in
syndication in Australia by now.
Shaun or Gus should be able to connect with the EV efforts underway down
under. Their website is:
http://www.coolfuelroadtrip.com/
They are selling copies of the 13 part series for $49. It is a fun and
positive movie that promotes our cause!!!
Take Care:
Jimmy (mario) https://www.dm3electrics.com/
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>From: "Chelsea Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Australian EV group
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:33:37 +0000
>Hey all...
>Plug In America has been getting several folks writing in from Australia
>since the Dateline piece (and a few before) wanting info on local EV
>resources. I've noticed several Aussies on this list- is there an EAA
>equivalent there at all or any specific place you'd like me to refer them
>to, besides the EAA and PIA sites?
>Thanks,
>chelsea
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