EV Digest 5874
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Hybrid Pony
by MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Australian EV group
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) RE: Dateline is stirring interest in EVs down under
by "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Hybrid Pony
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Bizarre ADC 8" intermittency?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Any Ideas
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Any Ideas
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Any Ideas
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Any Ideas
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Any Ideas
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
by "David Ankers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Building A Performace EV
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Any Ideas
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Building A Performace EV
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Any Ideas
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Australian EV group
by "David Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Australian EV group
by "David Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Any Ideas
by "Mark McCurdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Auburn Kodiak
by James H Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Any Ideas
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21) Re: Any Ideas
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: Any Ideas
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Any Ideas
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Re: Any Ideas
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) RE: Bizarre ADC 8" intermittency?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Any Ideas
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Check out page 20 of this magazine. It has a good dyno performed on a Ford
Escape Hybrid showing what a 2.3L with Electric does compared to the 3.0L V6.
The graph shows the interesting concept of of the high initial torque of the
electric motor.
http://www.mustangguides.com/issue22/MustangMTG_Issue22.pdf#search=%22wgf-an%20axle%20code%22
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Having said all I said previously I just got a letter from the Australian EV
Assn today saying they are getting back on track.
So interested parties can got to http://www.aeva.asn.au
Maybe we can get a yahoo mailing list going here in Oz.
Regards, Rod Dilkes
http://www.dilkesmotors.com
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Mike;
You have put a lot of your own time, and I assume money in maintaining
the EV Album site to the enjoyment of everyone on this list.
Is it time for you to cash in?
With all the hits on the site, maybe some our EV component manufacturers
or others would be interested in advertising.
Batteries, motors, contactors, electric scooter manufacturers, etc.,
etc.
Set it up similar to Google where the advertiser only pays if someone
clicks on a link to their site.
In a few years you can retire to Florida.
Just a thought.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chancey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dateline is stirring interest in EVs down under
Yes, the interest in EVs is up and growing everywhere. The EV Album
site is getting a real workout, August averaged about 5100 page
impressions per day for a total of 306,778 for the month. So far it is
even higher for September, 118,204 total or about 8443 per day. Since
it is counting page impressions, I don't really know how many visitors
that is, but it has to be a bunch.
Thanks again to Aaron Choate for hosting it and Jerry Halstead for the
killer code, the site has been rock solid under the load.
Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV Photo Album
http://evalbum.com
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Shoot, I thought I was going to see a electric pony. Well, horse power is
horse power. I wonder if we did not have any horses, what the power of
machines would be rated as. Maybe we would be saying, I have 50,000 chicken
power.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:15 AM
Subject: Hybrid Pony
> Check out page 20 of this magazine. It has a good dyno performed on a Ford
> Escape Hybrid showing what a 2.3L with Electric does
> compared to the 3.0L V6. The graph shows the interesting concept of of
> the high initial torque of the electric motor.
>
> http://www.mustangguides.com/issue22/MustangMTG_Issue22.pdf#search=%22wgf-an%20axle%20code%22
>
>
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Although I cited jiggling the cables, they were rock
solid tight-- both @ motor, and controller.
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Bob
>
> I doubt this is a motor problem. Unless your
> brushes are worn out and loosing contactto the comm.
> A short to frame from a loose coil or carbon dust
> would not keep the motor from running (where
> jiggling cables would do anything). Sounds more
> like a controller issue or loose connection to the
> motor. Your lurching comment points me also to the
> controller, motors just doing what it's told so to
> speak. Anyway just thought I'd chime in on the
> motor side of things that I don't think it's the
> problem just showing the symtems. I'd check to see
> whats causing the noise though.
> Hope this helps
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
> Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy!
> Well this is a new one...
> I charged the EV while outside last night. Humidity
> up, temp down (5C)?
> When I went out to drive it at 5:40 am, the Raptor
> 600
> turned on the green LED; dash lit up, and... no
> motor.
>
> Took the gas-burner to my meeting, then back at 7:15
> to see what happened in the light.
> Jiggled the A1-S2 cables, turned on the keyswitch,
> and... no problems.
>
> So here I am, wondering why.
> a) Loose field coil issue.
> b) brush carbon dust inside the motor causing an
> intermittency.
>
> I'm also wondering if a strange rattly sound I have
> on
> hard acceleration is related to it.
>
> For the short term, it's on the road again, but my
> grin is more of a look of perplexion.
>
> Your ideas?
> Thanks as always!
>
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lots of options.
the two motor stacked connected with a box containing roller chain or
belts, then shaft out bottom
there is a pickup and of course otmars porshe
what kind of suspension? if it is like my 300zx wher the differential
doesn't move up and down, independent not hotchkis, i was thinking of a
box mounted to pinion with two stubby drivelines back over the drive
axels to the motors side by side in the old fuel tank area
If it is an axle that moves up and down with leaf springs then perhaps
get a motorcycle sprocket and mount it to the brake drum such that a
nice roller chain can get to it. Bolt the front leafs together turning
them into a link and mount the motors such that the shaft coincides with
the pivot point of the front spring perchs. A small chain tensioner will
probably still be required. This allows you to set the reduction ratio
without a gearbox while you are at it.
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Already existing in 400-500hp range?
Boat drives, they make Vdrives to give reverse mounting and they make
2 motor 1 prop boxes for jet boats, but we aretalking some major $$$
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...would mounting electric motors on a suspension part lead to an
early failure of the motors?
No. Most electric motors are tough! It's common to mount traction motors
directly to the axle. You'll see it in all sorts of commercial EVs; golf
carts, trucks, buses, trains, fork lifts, etc.
The weight might be a problem with the vehicle ride.
Yes; it leads to a high unsprung weight, which worsens ride quality. The
wheels can lose contact with the road on bumps.
Would this be done with a chain type drive?
Yes, you could do it with a chain or belt drive. The motors could be
coupled face-to-face, with a sprocket or pulley between them. Or, the
motors could be mounted side-by-side and coupled with a belt or chain.
You could also use two differentials, one for the front wheels and one
for the rear, each with its own motor.
You may be able to modify the shaft of one of the motors, so it has a
shaft at both ends. Motor shops often have the equipment to press the
shaft out of a motor, and could press a new longer one in its place.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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A friend of my down the street from me, Jean Burkland, broke the land speed
record coupling four engines together using something like a X drive, which
was over 6000 hp.
Dodge Power Transmission Systems has gear boxes where you can have two
inputs with one output.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
> Already existing in 400-500hp range?
> Boat drives, they make Vdrives to give reverse mounting and they make
> 2 motor 1 prop boxes for jet boats, but we aretalking some major $$$
>
>
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If you study up on the Solectria S10 they used 2 motors belted
together and a gear reduction as well.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Any ideas on how to install two electric motors to one single drive
line.
> All the reasonable priced AC motors I have found do not have a
double shaft or
> are not the pancake type. An all wheel drive vehicle weight is not
acceptable.
>
> Don
>
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Thanks guys, glad you like it.
I was seeding it 4 times myself (I'm a network engineer and have access to a
few machines at various places). I also sent the torrent to a few others and
asked them to seed before posting it here as I know what its like to get a
torrent with 1 slow seed and all peers synchronised.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dmitri Hurik
Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 12:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
Yeah, and I'm now one of the seeds :-)
"I was expecting both these numbers to be less than 5." Exactly what I
thought!!
Thanks for sharing the link. I luv bittorrent.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
> Wow - there are currently 56 seeds (people who have already downloaded
> it and are still sharing it with the world) and 19 peers (people still
> downloading and sharing what they have)
>
> I was expecting both these numbers to be less than 5.
>
> Cool!
>
> Mark
> P.s. thanks for the link - I may be in Aus, but I don't get SBS :-)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ankers
>> Subject: bittorrent of Dateline EV Episode
>>
>> Found this on mininova:
>>
>> http://www.mininova.org/tor/422839
>>
>>
>
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Does street legal mean without slicks?
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe I am missing something here but why would someone pay
$664,000 base
> price for a dog slow EV that did barely over 100 mph. The looks are
> unquestionably great but the performance is ten to twenty years
behind state
> of the art. A street legal DC powered Ford Taurus did 132.353 way,
way back
> in 1997 in the last century. We are talking about the old days of EV
> performance here. Whoever built the Fetish needs to wake up and
smell the
> cappuccino. We have now entered the 21st century. 132 mph for a
street legal
> EV was in the last century.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Building A Performace EV
>
>
> > The ACP motor won't have a problem driving a 2000lb vehicle. It
is the
> > powerplant at the heart of the Venture Fetish.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
> >
> > see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: September 9, 2006 2:11 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Building A Performace EV
> >
> >
> > I just missed buying a used AC Propulsion system a couple of
months ago
> > new
> > they are 25 thousand the last time I checked.
> >
> > The AC Propulsion vehicle is lighter than what I am building I would
> > guess
> > by 800 to a 1000 pounds. I don't think one motor would do it.
Using two
> > of
> > their motors would be a large expense.
> >
> > Running two motors is an option if they can drive one single drive
shaft.
> >
> > Don Blazer
> >
> > In a message dated 9/9/2006 9:37:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > How much money you got?
> >
> > http://www.acpropulsion.com/ AC-150 Gen2 System is what you
> > want...........
> >
> > If you can afford it.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:54 AM
> > Subject: Building A Performace EV
> >
> >
> >>I am looking to build a very fast EV with a minimum range of 40
or 50
> > mile
> >> under normal conditions.
> >>
> >> The vehicles I have bought weigh 1550 to 2000 pounds with the
ICE still
> > in
> >> them. Datsun 1200, Opel Kadet, Opel Manta. I looked at all the
newer
> >> cars
> >
> >> and
> >> they all started at about 2800 pounds.
> >>
> >> I picked these cars because they were the light vehicles and
rear wheel
> >> drive that would not be too difficult to change over. As far as the
> > visual
> >> looks
> >> of them they will be modified.
> >>
> >> The plan is to use a very heavy duty rear end and couple an AC
motor
> >> directly to it with a drive line. I have NiMH batteries but am also
> >> considering the
> >> Valence batteries if the weight is still unacceptable.
> >>
> >> I do not have an AC motor yet and am concerned that it might not
> >> perform
> >
> >> as
> >> I hope. I am going to be using a lot of regeneration with the
hills in
> >> the
> >> area. I had a Solectria and one hill took 3 Ah to climb and I
regained 1
> >> Ah on
> >> the way back.
> >>
> >> Any recommendations on the motor?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Don Blazer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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You are still missing the point. You would hook one motor up to each
"axle" side of the IRS differential and take the output /from/ the prop
shaft.
In essence you would be running it backwards, instead of splitting the
prop shaft input between two axle outputs, you would be taking input on
the axles and combining it on the prop shaft.
You would then connect the prop shaft output of this differential to a
drive shaft connected to the prop shaft input on original differential
driving the wheels.
Clear now?
Also, they make lots of industrial stuff that uses chains.
Some motorcycles produce hundreds of HP and use chains. If one chain
can't handle the power, then use two of them. Two sets of sprockets on
the same shafts with two parallel chains, or three or four...
>
> I have never really looked at a rear IRS. If you have one prop shaft you
> still have the same problem of how to connect two electric motors to one
> shaft.
>
> What uses require a chain that can handle 400 to 500 horsepower? It would
> be
> easier if I could find something already existing and modify it.
>
> Don
>
>
> In a message dated 9/14/2006 10:38:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> I was thinking that the diff could be the center section from an IRS,
> such
> as a late T bird or Corvette. The assembly could be mounted underneath,
> near
>
> where the trans would go, solidly mounted to the chassis. Then a prop
> shaft
> to the original diff.
>
> David C. Wilker Jr.
> United States Air Force, Retired
>
> "The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
>
> ~Calvin Coolidge~
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Any Ideas
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess that would work but would mounting electric motors on a
>> suspension
>> part lead to an early failure of the motors? The weight might be a
>> problem
>
>> with
>> the vehicle ride.
>>
>> Would this be done with a chain type drive? If so I could mount the
>> motors
>> where the ICE was with a chain drive to each motor. The question then
>> would be
>> is chain the best way to do this.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> In a message dated 9/14/2006 9:01:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> Shot in the dark here, but maybe put a motor on each axle of a
>> differential,
>> and take the power off the prop shaft?
>>
>> David C. Wilker Jr.
>> United States Air Force, Retired
>>
>> "The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
>>
>> ~Calvin Coolidge~
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Any Ideas
>>
>>
>>> Any ideas on how to install two electric motors to one single drive
>>> line.
>>> All the reasonable priced AC motors I have found do not have a double
>>> shaft or
>>> are not the pancake type. An all wheel drive vehicle weight is not
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>> Don
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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That is a rather vague and strange question. If you are referring to the
Ford Taurus it ran regular street tires. There are many "Street Legal" 9
second ET drag cars that run DOT approved slicks. They usually have a groove
in them or something resembling tread but they are an all out wrinkle wall
drag slick. There are Federal laws and state laws that determine if a car is
street legal. The state laws very from state to state. For instance here in
Washington if your car is a street rod over forty years old you can run
without fenders in nice weather: RCW 46.37.500
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.500 All in all "street
legal" is a very nebulous term.
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roderick Wilde" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Building A Performace EV
Does street legal mean without slicks?
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe I am missing something here but why would someone pay
$664,000 base
price for a dog slow EV that did barely over 100 mph. The looks are
unquestionably great but the performance is ten to twenty years
behind state
of the art. A street legal DC powered Ford Taurus did 132.353 way,
way back
in 1997 in the last century. We are talking about the old days of EV
performance here. Whoever built the Fetish needs to wake up and
smell the
cappuccino. We have now entered the 21st century. 132 mph for a
street legal
EV was in the last century.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: Building A Performace EV
> The ACP motor won't have a problem driving a 2000lb vehicle. It
is the
> powerplant at the heart of the Venture Fetish.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
>
> see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: September 9, 2006 2:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Building A Performace EV
>
>
> I just missed buying a used AC Propulsion system a couple of
months ago
> new
> they are 25 thousand the last time I checked.
>
> The AC Propulsion vehicle is lighter than what I am building I would
> guess
> by 800 to a 1000 pounds. I don't think one motor would do it.
Using two
> of
> their motors would be a large expense.
>
> Running two motors is an option if they can drive one single drive
shaft.
>
> Don Blazer
>
> In a message dated 9/9/2006 9:37:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> How much money you got?
>
> http://www.acpropulsion.com/ AC-150 Gen2 System is what you
> want...........
>
> If you can afford it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:54 AM
> Subject: Building A Performace EV
>
>
>>I am looking to build a very fast EV with a minimum range of 40
or 50
> mile
>> under normal conditions.
>>
>> The vehicles I have bought weigh 1550 to 2000 pounds with the
ICE still
> in
>> them. Datsun 1200, Opel Kadet, Opel Manta. I looked at all the
newer
>> cars
>
>> and
>> they all started at about 2800 pounds.
>>
>> I picked these cars because they were the light vehicles and
rear wheel
>> drive that would not be too difficult to change over. As far as the
> visual
>> looks
>> of them they will be modified.
>>
>> The plan is to use a very heavy duty rear end and couple an AC
motor
>> directly to it with a drive line. I have NiMH batteries but am also
>> considering the
>> Valence batteries if the weight is still unacceptable.
>>
>> I do not have an AC motor yet and am concerned that it might not
>> perform
>
>> as
>> I hope. I am going to be using a lot of regeneration with the
hills in
>> the
>> area. I had a Solectria and one hill took 3 Ah to climb and I
regained 1
>> Ah on
>> the way back.
>>
>> Any recommendations on the motor?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Don Blazer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have never really looked at a rear IRS. If you have one prop shaft
you still have the same problem of how to connect two electric motors
to one shaft.
You could use the rear suspension out of an old Chevy Corvair, either
1960-64 with swing axles (like the old VW Beetle) or 1965-69 (fully
independent, like a Corvette). The differential on these cars was
double-ended; the case was rectangular, with a flat mounting surface on
both ends, and a hollow pinion shaft that went right through it and came
out on both sides. You could therefore easily couple one motor to the
front (where the transmission originally was) and one to the rear (where
the engine originally was).
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There is a crack in everything
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The Melb branch has meetings once a month. Unfortunately there are not many
with EVs. I don't attend regularly ( and use it to go to the meetings) but I
do have a registered EV that I use most trips around Melb. Meetings are held
2nd Friday of the month Oakleigh Library. Sydney has more members with
working EVs eg Claudio & the doctor. David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Massey
Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 7:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Australian EV group
At 02:19 PM 15/09/06 +1000, David Sharpe wrote:
>Heres putting that last remark to rest-Im from Melbourne & a member of AEVA
>David<snip>
>(Earlier I wrote:) I know this sounds negative and unhelpful, those who
>are in the AEVA
>branches should jump in at this point and say what they're up to. (I'm
>tipping you won't hear from anywhere other than Sydney).
G'day David
So what is Melbourne branch of AEVA up to? Just being there and a member of
AEVA doesn't put my last remark to rest. I'm a member of the IICA
(institute of instrumentation and control) and in Tassie, but apart from a
couple of table-top 'expo's' nothing is happening for IICA in Tassie.
Where and how often does the Victorian division of AEVA meet? Where can
'Joe Public' come and see your EVs?
Regards
[Technik] James
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This web page is dated but the email link is responded to.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 8:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Australian EV group
Having said all I said previously I just got a letter from the Australian EV
Assn today saying they are getting back on track.
So interested parties can got to http://www.aeva.asn.au
Maybe we can get a yahoo mailing list going here in Oz.
Regards, Rod Dilkes
http://www.dilkesmotors.com
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You'd need one CW and one CCW motor for that application.
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
You are still missing the point. You would hook one motor up to each
"axle" side of the IRS differential and take the output /from/ the prop
shaft.
In essence you would be running it backwards, instead of splitting the
prop shaft input between two axle outputs, you would be taking input on
the axles and combining it on the prop shaft.
You would then connect the prop shaft output of this differential to a
drive shaft connected to the prop shaft input on original differential
driving the wheels.
Clear now?
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Lawson,
I saw your note to Dave on the list about having a manual for the Kodiak
C-600.
I am also looking for a copy of the manual or at the least the hook-up
schematic.
Do you have or could you put the manual in a digital form?
Anyone else have a copy of the manual?
Thanks,
Jim
'93 Dodge TEVan
'88 Fiero ESE
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I think I understand now where the hook up point would be. Would the axles
would have to be offset from one another and the motors mounted at an angle?
In a message dated 9/15/2006 8:35:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You'd need one CW and one CCW motor for that application.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
> You are still missing the point. You would hook one motor up to each
> "axle" side of the IRS differential and take the output /from/ the prop
> shaft.
>
> In essence you would be running it backwards, instead of splitting the
> prop shaft input between two axle outputs, you would be taking input on
> the axles and combining it on the prop shaft.
> You would then connect the prop shaft output of this differential to a
> drive shaft connected to the prop shaft input on original differential
> driving the wheels.
>
> Clear now?
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I was aware of the Solectria pick up. They flip the rear end to the rear. I
was not too sure that it would be best solution to use belts. Although this
would allow an easy way to change the drive ratio.
Don
In a message dated 9/15/2006 7:26:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you study up on the Solectria S10 they used 2 motors belted
together and a gear reduction as well.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Any ideas on how to install two electric motors to one single drive
line.
> All the reasonable priced AC motors I have found do not have a
double shaft or
> are not the pancake type. An all wheel drive vehicle weight is not
acceptable.
>
> Don
>
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You still put a motor on each axle of the IRS.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
I have never really looked at a rear IRS. If you have one prop shaft you
still have the same problem of how to connect two electric motors to one
shaft.
What uses require a chain that can handle 400 to 500 horsepower? It would
be
easier if I could find something already existing and modify it.
Don
In a message dated 9/14/2006 10:38:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was thinking that the diff could be the center section from an IRS,
such
as a late T bird or Corvette. The assembly could be mounted underneath,
near
where the trans would go, solidly mounted to the chassis. Then a prop
shaft
to the original diff.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
I guess that would work but would mounting electric motors on a
suspension
part lead to an early failure of the motors? The weight might be a
problem
with
the vehicle ride.
Would this be done with a chain type drive? If so I could mount the
motors
where the ICE was with a chain drive to each motor. The question then
would be
is chain the best way to do this.
Don
In a message dated 9/14/2006 9:01:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shot in the dark here, but maybe put a motor on each axle of a
differential,
and take the power off the prop shaft?
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Any Ideas
Any ideas on how to install two electric motors to one single drive
line.
All the reasonable priced AC motors I have found do not have a double
shaft or
are not the pancake type. An all wheel drive vehicle weight is not
acceptable.
Don
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Would these differentials handle the horsepower and torque of two electric
motors?
In a message dated 9/15/2006 8:09:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have never really looked at a rear IRS. If you have one prop shaft
> you still have the same problem of how to connect two electric motors
> to one shaft.
You could use the rear suspension out of an old Chevy Corvair, either
1960-64 with swing axles (like the old VW Beetle) or 1965-69 (fully
independent, like a Corvette). The differential on these cars was
double-ended; the case was rectangular, with a flat mounting surface on
both ends, and a hollow pinion shaft that went right through it and came
out on both sides. You could therefore easily couple one motor to the
front (where the transmission originally was) and one to the rear (where
the engine originally was).
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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If it was direct drive 1 to 1 there would be no reduction in the drive ratio.
In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:17:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You still put a motor on each axle of the IRS.
David C. Wilker Jr.
United States Air Force, Retired
"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
~Calvin Coolidge~
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Any Ideas
>
> I have never really looked at a rear IRS. If you have one prop shaft you
> still have the same problem of how to connect two electric motors to one
> shaft.
>
> What uses require a chain that can handle 400 to 500 horsepower? It would
> be
> easier if I could find something already existing and modify it.
>
> Don
>
>
> In a message dated 9/14/2006 10:38:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> I was thinking that the diff could be the center section from an IRS,
> such
> as a late T bird or Corvette. The assembly could be mounted underneath,
> near
>
> where the trans would go, solidly mounted to the chassis. Then a prop
> shaft
> to the original diff.
>
> David C. Wilker Jr.
> United States Air Force, Retired
>
> "The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
>
> ~Calvin Coolidge~
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Any Ideas
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess that would work but would mounting electric motors on a
>> suspension
>> part lead to an early failure of the motors? The weight might be a
>> problem
>
>> with
>> the vehicle ride.
>>
>> Would this be done with a chain type drive? If so I could mount the
>> motors
>> where the ICE was with a chain drive to each motor. The question then
>> would be
>> is chain the best way to do this.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> In a message dated 9/14/2006 9:01:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> Shot in the dark here, but maybe put a motor on each axle of a
>> differential,
>> and take the power off the prop shaft?
>>
>> David C. Wilker Jr.
>> United States Air Force, Retired
>>
>> "The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten."
>>
>> ~Calvin Coolidge~
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Any Ideas
>>
>>
>>> Any ideas on how to install two electric motors to one single drive
>>> line.
>>> All the reasonable priced AC motors I have found do not have a double
>>> shaft or
>>> are not the pancake type. An all wheel drive vehicle weight is not
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>> Don
>>
>
>
>
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As Jim indicated - the connection may not be so
rock solid INSIDE the motor.
It would not be the first time that a cable
loosens itself from the bolt and has intermittent
contact inside the motor when cold, if it
warms up it may stretch and make good contact, so you
would be OK once you get going, there may be an
issue when there are vibrating forces, which may
be the issue you see with hard accel-noises.
Better pull your motor and inspect it before
you damage it.
Especially with unexpectedd noises emanating from it.
Success,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bob Bath
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bizarre ADC 8" intermittency?
Although I cited jiggling the cables, they were rock
solid tight-- both @ motor, and controller.
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Bob
>
> I doubt this is a motor problem. Unless your
> brushes are worn out and loosing contactto the comm.
> A short to frame from a loose coil or carbon dust
> would not keep the motor from running (where
> jiggling cables would do anything). Sounds more
> like a controller issue or loose connection to the
> motor. Your lurching comment points me also to the
> controller, motors just doing what it's told so to
> speak. Anyway just thought I'd chime in on the
> motor side of things that I don't think it's the
> problem just showing the symtems. I'd check to see
> whats causing the noise though.
> Hope this helps
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
> Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy!
> Well this is a new one...
> I charged the EV while outside last night. Humidity
> up, temp down (5C)?
> When I went out to drive it at 5:40 am, the Raptor
> 600
> turned on the green LED; dash lit up, and... no
> motor.
>
> Took the gas-burner to my meeting, then back at 7:15
> to see what happened in the light.
> Jiggled the A1-S2 cables, turned on the keyswitch,
> and... no problems.
>
> So here I am, wondering why.
> a) Loose field coil issue.
> b) brush carbon dust inside the motor causing an
> intermittency.
>
> I'm also wondering if a strange rattly sound I have
> on
> hard acceleration is related to it.
>
> For the short term, it's on the road again, but my
> grin is more of a look of perplexion.
>
> Your ideas?
> Thanks as always!
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would these [Corvair] differentials handle the horsepower and torque
of two electric motors?
Well... even ONE big series motor can produce enough torque to break
almost anything! Feed it thousands of amps, and you'll burn rubber, do
wheelstands, or get to the other end of a drag strip very quickly!
But, the later Corvairs used the same "guts" in their transaxles as all
the other Chevy full-size cars of the period. There was a Corvair van
that used these same parts. People put V8 Corvette engines in the back
seat of Corvairs and went racing. Drag racers were pulling wheelies with
them.
So, I'd guess it is likely to work for a car driven on the street, but
not for all-out drag racing.
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