EV Digest 5911
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV parts car on e-bay
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: My first week of driving.
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Gee.. no, GTE!
by "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: roll-down test
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Hybrid Taurus on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) list digest made behavior
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Pics of infloor charging plates
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Gee.. no, GTE!
by Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Currently most powerful bats or caps available?
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: list digest made behavior
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Charging AGMs for Max life
by "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Open Source Designs for Controllers
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Xebra test drive from the Arcane list.
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: list digest made behavior
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Current Eliminator - Blazing a trail
by The Terminator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Charging AGMs for Max life
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Robot lawn mower
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Steve Powers wrote:
1981 Electric VW Rabbit EV 9 inch motor Curtis Zivan Item number: 250031078621
I'd say get it. The rainwater problem in the passenger compartment is
EASY to fix: There are a pair of rubber drain guards on either side of
the spot between the front shock tower and firewall. When these get
clogged (as happened on my 84 GTI) it drips into the car. One stick and
20 seconds fixes this forever.
So what else is wrong with it? Get a rear battery box, new front box,
and 20 of those SAFT ST5-180R NiCDs and go to town forever.
Unfortunately I have two electric cars already :-(
Chris
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The batteries cost about $900 at sam's. I bought them
before the price changed.
I do plan to charge at work, and everywhere else.
I do need to go over to the emissions station. I have
the exempt tags that expire in November.
I should make an EV album page.
--- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike,
> Good job! Another Alaska EV on the road! We are up
> to 4, of the ones I know about.
>
> Is your plan to plug in at work and be topped off
> for the trip home?
>
> I ususally shift 2nd to 3rd at around 35mph-40mph.
> My ratios work out that in 2nd gear the mph=rpm/100.
> So 40mph=4000rpm. By that
> speed the power seems to be significantly diminished
> and it seems like a natural shift point. I don't go
> over 45mph in 2nd.
> Although I can start of in 3rd and like telling
> people I can go 0-85mph rught from 3rd gear.
>
> Have you done the registration thing yet? Do they
> do emissions in Fairbanks?
>
> Got pics?
>
> Thanks for the report. BTW, what did you pay a
> piece for the floodies at Sams there in Fairbanks?
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of mike golub
> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:36 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: My first week of driving.
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I finished this week of driving my newly converted
> > 1986 toyota pu 4x4 to the landfill. They weighed
> my
> > truck for free. It was 4340 lbs. total. I and my
> dog
> > were inside (~about 200 lbs there).
> >
> > There are places to plug-in all around town. Some
> > places have gotten wiser and put there outlets on
> > timers. These timers cycle on and off. Some are
> set
> > at 20, 30 or 60 minutes. But if you look around,
> > there's always a place that doesn't have a timer.
> The
> > biggest problems with those timers is that they
> are
> > off when it is not cold out...but I have places
> that I
> > know where to plug in all year long.
> >
> > My initial plan was just a vehicle that would get
> me
> > from work, a 4 mile roundtrip.
> >
> > Now after getting laid off, and almost sent to the
> > Middle East; I'm going back to school which is
> about a
> > 24 mile roundtrip.
> >
> > I'm using the sam's club batteries. They say 75
> amps
> > at 110 minutes. I figure those are 137 amp hour
> > batteries.
> >
> > Using the emeter. I was able to do one leg of my
> > journey using only 27 amp hours. But that was
> going
> > really slow, with cars passing me. Don't worry I
> don't
> > have any bumperstickers saying the car is
> electric.
> >
> > Today was my best drive. Just got on the highway
> and
> > got to 55 mph. I keep changing the transmission by
> > force of habit. But I'm driving in 2nd gear with
> the
> > 72-120v 1209b that logi upgraded to 550amps.
> >
> > I did throw it into 3rd at 45mph. I don't
> understand
> > why.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael G.
> > Fairbanks, AK
> >
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If any of you remember me at all, you may remember me as the newbie with the
Comuta-Van.
After months of reading here, and trying to learn, I've finally gone for the
conversion of a "real" car.
Because they were briefly built as pure-electrics in the past, I've opted to
convert a Bradley GT II.
They're light, sporty, and Bradley built a few hundred as dedicated
electrics. In the original configuration, they made 75+mph and a range of
about 40 miles. 96 volt system.
If you're not familiar with VW kit cars, Google for Bradley GT II or GTE.
Wish me luck!
Rich A.
Maryland
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> You don't have washer/drier hookups?
> Electrical drier outlets are all 240V, ditto on electrical stove
outlets.
>
>
I use gas, but there probably *are* 240 outlets somewhere - I'd still
need an electrician, since those wouldn't be in the garage -- there is
no garage (converted to living space) and running a 240V extension
cord from the stove or dryer areas, out a window, and over to the
parking area doesn't seem like a safe choice, especially if any
insurance people get involved - also would need a pretty heavy cable
to prevent losses on its long trip.
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> I think if you found two different known, long grades you could do it.
> The terminal velocity would depend on the grade and from the
> two different grades you could tease apart the aero factor from the
> rolling resistance factor since they depend on grade differently.
> You'd have to measure the grade somehow like with a level maybe. I
dont know
> about averaging, I dont see how you'd get the car to go up the hill
unless you
> wait until nighttime when the world is upside down.
>
You have the wrong idea of a "roll down" - it's not downhill, it's
done on as flat a road as possible and involves bringing the vehicle
up to a certain speed and letting it 'roll down', measure speed and
time (and maybe distance?) and calculate drag (rolling and aero) from
the numbers - again, I don't know the specifics or how accurate it is,
but I'd like to be able to guage the affect of changes I make.
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No EV specs - anyone on the list recongnize this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110037091303
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For the last few months, the list has been randomly skipping digests for me.
they usually show up 3 days later, but not always. Anyone else having similar
problems? David, any comments or possible remedies?
David Brandt
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Apparently, it's fully automatic. They have a wall of Zivan NG5
chargers hooked up to these:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7685/chargekh2.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/97/charge1pg4.jpg
I'll try and get some better pics of the Zivan's tomorrow:
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3992/zivanfz0.jpg
http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/charger.shtml
http://racep2r.com/
Supposedly they are opening up tracks in Vegas and Dallas soon.
These carts also have a setting that will let them run 75mph(after you
get enough experience points). The guy working there said they took
one out in the parking lot and clocked it doing 89mph.
They can remotely at anytime either turn the cart off or on, or set
the speed to presets (15/25/35/45) or maybe even potentially any
speed? At the start and end of the race, they have the carts capped
at about .5 or 1mph. Those motors have the strangest feeling hp/tq
curves. Reminiscent of a turbo spooling up and the power increase as
a result of that. Exponential.
Smooth indoor concrete floor, temperature controlled, silent, no
fumes, absolutely flying... Makes me want an EV even more.
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It appears as if you are bidding on someone's dream. The key words in the ad
says "will have". The part about that it will even run on garbage cracked me
up the most. And what about that bigger battery that will allow for two hour
run times. Thanks for laughs!
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
No EV specs - anyone on the list recongnize this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110037091303
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I own a Bradley GTE that I plan to get on the road in the near future.
There are a lot of differences between the GT11 and the GTE. The battery
box was a subframe that bolted to the vw suspension, so all batteries
were outside the passenger compartment.The front hood was much larger to
allow battery access, with 8 batteries in front and 8 in back, 4 on each
side of the motor. I have a GT11 that I bought for parts and found that
the body is built different to allow for battery placement. Even the
bumper brackets attach in different places. If you need information or
pictures, let me know, and good luck.
Bill
Richard Acuti wrote:
If any of you remember me at all, you may remember me as the newbie with
the Comuta-Van.
After months of reading here, and trying to learn, I've finally gone for
the conversion of a "real" car.
Because they were briefly built as pure-electrics in the past, I've
opted to convert a Bradley GT II.
They're light, sporty, and Bradley built a few hundred as dedicated
electrics. In the original configuration, they made 75+mph and a range
of about 40 miles. 96 volt system.
If you're not familiar with VW kit cars, Google for Bradley GT II or GTE.
Wish me luck!
Rich A.
Maryland
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Any ultra or super caps available that can get ~20+ miles of range?
What kind of power output?
How about on the battery front?
How much hp can be had from a 348V pack with currently available
energy storage devices?
Anyone have any inside info on any products that are on the verge of
actually being released?
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Hello David,
Check your E-mail settings.
I had my junk E-mail guard set to Exclusive which may block new senders or
senders that are not in your safe list or list of E-mail addresses. Many
of these come in as junk, and then I transfer to the Safe list at that time.
Also while you are in the E-mail Setting menu you may want to adjust the
other settings.
Roland
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From: "David Brandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: list digest made behavior
> For the last few months, the list has been randomly skipping digests for
> me. they usually show up 3 days later, but not always. Anyone else
> having similar problems? David, any comments or possible remedies?
>
> David Brandt
>
>
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Hi John ,,, I've talked about my lawn mower with uses 8 12v orbitals , and
dump charge from my EV 120v truck , . I have used excide orbitals in cars
before , but had never looked at them like I do with the lawn mower . 90% of
the charging on them has started at over 200 amps . 90% of the time they are
charged in 10 minutes . Many days this summer they got charged 10 time .
What I'm seeing now as the batteries are getting older ( I've pulled 2
stinkers out , which both had had there bolt's melted off , before going to
automotive post clamps) is that they fall out of balance after sitting a
day of two , even in the morning the first yard is for getting the batteries
warmed up . I have a 10 position switch watch I have set up so I can look at
each battery voltage . Each charge seems to bring them closer , buy the end
of the day they are all working as a team with all voltages very close .
I'm going to add a roving 15v charger like you talked about to help keep
them balanced . The one problem with a beefy 15v charger is that what ever
you use to switch it from battery to battery will have to handle the hi
charging amperage. .... so 50 amps on a 100 ah battery , is that hi. :-)
...you'd need 500 amps to do the same 5c ( or is it c5) 250 amp on a 50 ah
, .
ot
The other day I got a call from what I will call my worst customers, They
hadn't called in 6 weeks and I knew the grass would be very high, I did the
usual wine " when the grass gets to hi ,,,," so with the promos of extra
money, my camera , new belt and new sharp blades I'm off. I get there and
the grass is 4 feet tall easy " I'm so sorry I ment to call you , it just
grow over night " . This was the tallest , grass I've ever cut and if I
still had my gas mower , it would have been a long job. I turned the Curtis
up ( but still not close to all the way ) and the 8 in net gain sounded like
a air plane and drove straight through it , like a hot knife through warm
butter. Its a short clip , with no sound , ( cheep camera) , where on the
web could I put this . ?
Steve Clunn
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From: "John Foster" <
if I rotate thru the pack charging each for a minute or so at 40-50A?
Thinking of one or two dumb & beefy 15V power supplies roving the pack
under
control of a Lee Hart Balancer type of module.
Thanks,
John
John Foster
"If it ain't broke, keep it away from me."
I like that one . :-)
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> It appears as if you are bidding on someone's dream. The key words
in the ad
> says "will have". The part about that it will even run on garbage
cracked me
> up the most. And what about that bigger battery that will allow for
two hour
> run times. Thanks for laughs!
>
*I'm* certainly not bidding! His response to a question shows it is
not a hybrid, he just turns off the alternator and uses a bigger SLI
battery - I didn't think the drain from electrical systems in an ICE
would be so high as to save you 15% when they are not fed by the
engine, unless you're driving a sound-off car with low-rider hydraulics!
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I didn't plan on releasing the details.
I use MSP430 microprocessors. The 48v version uses a LT1161 mosfet
driver and IRF2807 3.8mOhm 160amp mosfets.
A jetski doesn't need regen or even reverse, so its pretty simple,
I'll have to see if the 48v will limit its top speed once I get it on
the water. Its been most of the work to get the motor waterproof, it
will be watercooled and the controller. I'll have more pics when I
create a EV album entry once its done. It sure is simple compared to
the gas motor!
I'm working on a high-voltage 120+v IGBT version currently.
Jack
Rod Hower wrote:
"to build my BLDC controller for the jetski,"
Do you plan on sharing more information on your
design?
One of my designs is listed here, on the OSMC yahoo
group,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/osmc/files/Rod%27s%20BLDC%20control/
Thanks,
Rod
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Don, a number of links to designs and papers have
been posted on this
list. Motor controllers are very well-understood
technology.
Commercial controllers available for sale for EV's
are rare because of
the high-power and normally they are part of an
integrated solution, not
an independent component.
Here are just two links:
Curtis schematics
http://cafeelectric.com/curtis/index.html
AC controller:
http://www.egr.msu.edu/~mattes12/appnote3.pdf
personally, I've used this microchip app note:
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00899a.pdf
to build my BLDC controller for the jetski, which I
hope to have out on
the water next week. :)
Jack
Don Cameron wrote:
One of my other hobbies is electronics for music
(amps, effects, etc).
There exists on the net a huge number of designs
and plans for hobbyists to
build many these circuits. In fact there are
whole sites set up just around
a single amplifier.
I realize the hobbyist EV is small in compared to
the hobbyist music
industry, but are there any open source designs
for AC or DC controllers?
Or maybe chargers? (notwithstanding Lee's fine
battery balancer).
thanks
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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I'd think it'd have as much traction as your typical rear wheel drive car...
slightly better than a FWD model... of similar weight. I couldn't recall the
answer, all I recalled is that they look like group 31 batts (and weigh 74
lbs each). Here's what Noel posted on another group:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes, the battery pack is 72V. ZAP are using 6 X 12V East Penn
maintenance free lead acid batteries. There is a link to the type in
the links section here at the group. There is also a 12V auxiliary
battery that is used as a reservoir while the lights etc run from a DC
DC converter of the main traction pack. I think the Aux battery
prevents total loss of power to the auxiliary equipment if you loose
the traction battery but I can't be sure on that.
The controller is an Altrax 72V controller and it comes with a 2 year
warranty while there is 6 months on the other equipment.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This is the link to the batteries, model DEKA 8G31:
http://www.eastpenn-deka.com/products/solar.html
There's a Xebra group on Yahoogroups.
> 2 rear wheels but only one that is powered? I had a Marketeer like
> that. Guess you wouldn't want too much torque from a take-off, so a
> PMG upgrade may be too much. What is the Ahr capacity and how good are
> the batteries themselves?
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Hahaha!
How far do you want to stretch the definition of Hybrid?
In this case, at least the seller is honest - he describes it
as hybrid because he >disconnected the alternator<
so, the "heavy" load from the alternator is not bogging down the
3-liter 6 cylinder engine (waaaa) and he gets up to 15% better
gas mileage from this modification, using his battery as a
deep cycle aux battery.
H eclearly says that the battery is NOT used for any propulsion,
so I do not know why he is claiming it to be a hybrid in the
first place, but it sounds good.
Two other modifications have nothing to do with the "Hybrid"
and the last modification sounds like he has a biomass
processor in his garage that produces combustible liquid that
he is pouring in his gas tank.
Too far removed from anything EV that I would stay far away from it.
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Roderick Wilde
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
It appears as if you are bidding on someone's dream. The key words in the ad
says "will have". The part about that it will even run on garbage cracked me
up the most. And what about that bigger battery that will allow for two hour
run times. Thanks for laughs!
Roderick Wilde
EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Hybrid Taurus on eBay
> No EV specs - anyone on the list recongnize this:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110037091303
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On 24 Sep 2006 at 13:01, David Brandt wrote:
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Gee what happened to the stopwatch function on your watch & the speedometer.
However I bet you could program a GPS to tell the 0 to 60 time. Lawrence
Rhodes......
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
> Since as far as I know non of the faster EVs out there have been
> independently tested by any of the major automotive magazines. I therefore
> would not be able to research this for you Lawrence. O to 60 mph times can
> not be obtained from going to a drag strip. The equipment must be on board
> the vehicle. If you are concerned about acceleration for entering the
> freeway the quarter mile times will give you some idea. Look at the ETs
for
> similar gas cars and look up their 0 to 60 mph times and realize that an
EV
> most likely will be a bit quicker as EVs get most of their acceleration in
> the first half of the track. Mike Phillips asked me how I verified my 0 to
> 60 mph time. I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about. As to my
> recollection I have never posted a 0 to 60 mph time for any of my
vehicles.
> If you want to get a fairly accurate 0 to 60 mph time you can purchase a
> fairly inexpensive G-Tech Pro accelerometer from Tesla Electronics, Inc.
> http://www.gtechpro.com/ They claim an accuracy better than the $5000.00
> VBOX in the 0 to 60 mph range.
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
>
>
> > While you're at it Rod would you mind mentioning just what the 0 to 60
> > times
> > for some of the faster EV's is? We always get the 60 foot time or the
> > quarter time but that's pretty useless to the average driver that wants
to
> > get on the freeway. 0 to 60 is what I'm concerned about. I would
really
> > like to see the X1 or Tzero vs. Zombie. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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> > From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo
Alto
> >
> >
> >> I hate to be the one to bring up that silly word reality but can anyone
> > one
> >> this list document where any of these EVs have actually done 0 to 60
mph
> > in
> >> less than four seconds in other than a press release. I realize I am
> >> going
> >> to piss off some CEOs by this post but please, let's keep it real here.
> > Let
> >> the gas boys do the BSing.
> >>
> >> Roderick Wilde
> >> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> >> www.suckamps.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo
Alto
> >>
> >>
> >> > On 9/12/06, bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> A reminder to make a note on your calendars to attend the 34th
> >> >> annual Silicon Valley EAA Chapter Rally being held Saturday
> >> >> September 30th from 10am to 4pm in the Palo Alto High School front
> >> >> parking lot (across from Stanford U.). Map:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=el+camino+real+at+embarcadero&csz=94301
> >> >> See their web site for details http://eaasv.org
> >> >>
> >> >> The Chapter's President mentioned that they are working on having
> >> >> both the Tango EV as well as AC Propulsion's vehicle at the Rally
> >> >> to be along with Tesla EV.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It looks the Wrightspeed X-1 might be able to make it as well.
That's
> >> > 4
> >> > different EVs that go 0-60 in 4 seconds or less!
> >> >
> >> > jorg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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I would just like to congratulate Dennis for an outstanding job by racing
The CE-V all the way to Bakersfield this season! It was amazing to
witness competitive racing of one EV in in a sea of ICE vehicles last
night at Speedworld. I checked the standings late today and the CE-V
finished with a second place out of the total of (29) Super pro cars for
the season at Speedworld. http://speedworldmotorplex.com/results.htm
Although lady luck was with Mike Z. last night, you should be proud
Dennis, of your accomplishments. I know I can speak for all of us in the
Px EAA when I say; we all wish you the best of luck in the upcoming
Division 7 events at Bakersfield California!
http://www.nhra.com/aboutnhr/etseries.htm#finals
Good Luck,
Mario
https://www.dm3electrics.com
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A stopwatch and your speedometer should be accurate within a second or so
give or take. The Flintstones used the rate of droppings from a Pterodactyl
for checking the acceleration of their stone wheeled human powered car. It
was considered state of the art at the time :-)
Roderick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
Gee what happened to the stopwatch function on your watch & the
speedometer.
However I bet you could program a GPS to tell the 0 to 60 time. Lawrence
Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
Since as far as I know non of the faster EVs out there have been
independently tested by any of the major automotive magazines. I
therefore
would not be able to research this for you Lawrence. O to 60 mph times
can
not be obtained from going to a drag strip. The equipment must be on
board
the vehicle. If you are concerned about acceleration for entering the
freeway the quarter mile times will give you some idea. Look at the ETs
for
similar gas cars and look up their 0 to 60 mph times and realize that an
EV
most likely will be a bit quicker as EVs get most of their acceleration
in
the first half of the track. Mike Phillips asked me how I verified my 0
to
60 mph time. I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about. As to my
recollection I have never posted a 0 to 60 mph time for any of my
vehicles.
If you want to get a fairly accurate 0 to 60 mph time you can purchase a
fairly inexpensive G-Tech Pro accelerometer from Tesla Electronics, Inc.
http://www.gtechpro.com/ They claim an accuracy better than the $5000.00
VBOX in the 0 to 60 mph range.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
> While you're at it Rod would you mind mentioning just what the 0 to 60
> times
> for some of the faster EV's is? We always get the 60 foot time or the
> quarter time but that's pretty useless to the average driver that wants
to
> get on the freeway. 0 to 60 is what I'm concerned about. I would
really
> like to see the X1 or Tzero vs. Zombie. Lawrence Rhodes.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo
Alto
>
>
>> I hate to be the one to bring up that silly word reality but can
>> anyone
> one
>> this list document where any of these EVs have actually done 0 to 60
mph
> in
>> less than four seconds in other than a press release. I realize I am
>> going
>> to piss off some CEOs by this post but please, let's keep it real
>> here.
> Let
>> the gas boys do the BSing.
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
>> www.suckamps.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jorg Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo
Alto
>>
>>
>> > On 9/12/06, bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A reminder to make a note on your calendars to attend the 34th
>> >> annual Silicon Valley EAA Chapter Rally being held Saturday
>> >> September 30th from 10am to 4pm in the Palo Alto High School front
>> >> parking lot (across from Stanford U.). Map:
>> >>
>> >>
>
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=el+camino+real+at+embarcadero&csz=94301
>> >> See their web site for details http://eaasv.org
>> >>
>> >> The Chapter's President mentioned that they are working on having
>> >> both the Tango EV as well as AC Propulsion's vehicle at the Rally
>> >> to be along with Tesla EV.
>> >
>> >
>> > It looks the Wrightspeed X-1 might be able to make it as well.
That's
>> > 4
>> > different EVs that go 0-60 in 4 seconds or less!
>> >
>> > jorg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: EVent: Silicon Valley EAA Rally Sat Sept 30 10a-4p Palo Alto
> Some of the auto magazines like Car and Driver are using VBOX by Racelogic
> and many, many auto manufactures including Aston Martin, Ferrari, Daimler
> Chrysler, Porsche, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, Volvo, Ford and
> countless others use Racelogic equipment. http://www.racelogic.co.uk/
Check
> out the accuracy of their VBOX product. What is the big deal with you
folks
> about asking for verifiable data? I have information from a reliable
source
> that one of the vehicles mentioned isn't even close to being under four
> seconds from 0 to 60. Please offer some verifiable data. I guess Lee Hart
> was right on. BS sells!
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
I am with Rod on this one..
0 to 60 in 4 seconds..
Ok lets see the time slip.. You folks WERE at a Race track...? What was the
60 Ft and the 1/8 time and Speed???
I am Sure Rod has the slip from the Late night on Gp...
I have a ash stray full of slips on Goldie...
Wayland has a box full And I know Dennis has a Large Moving box size Bin of
slips. So
When you post stuff that looks like it's a World record.. have the Stones to
measure it the way Men do... with honest trap speeds and time slips.
Both Rod and I are sick of one offs with Mega Buck batteries and drives..
and heck folks.. just make a good run and Post the time slip.
As we both expect.. most of the numbers are posted for the Coprate folks
that think Virtual speeds and numbers are worth Other folks spending money
on.
Madman
>
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steve clunn wrote:
my lawn mower uses 8 12v orbitals, and dump charge from my EV 120v
truck... 90% of the charging started at over 200 amps... 90% of the
time they are charged in 10 minutes... as the batteries are getting
older... they fall out of balance after sitting a day of two...
Yes, this is common for old AGMs. The apparent self-discharge rates goes
way up, and varies drastically between batteries. Fully charge them, let
them sit a few days, and they will be at considerably different states
of charge.
It takes a fairly aggressive balancing system to force them back into
balance. Without it, you have to seriously overcharge the better ones to
get the "stinkers" back up to full. This just hammers the good ones
down, so they soon become "stinkers" as well, and the whole pack is shot.
To keep using them, keep them warm, and don't let them sit idle for even
a day without charging. You can extend their remaining life as long as
you charge them immediately before use, keep them warm, and draw out
your amphours right away.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Death to All Spammers wrote:
You don't have washer/drier hookups?
Electrical drier outlets are all 240V, ditto on electrical stove
outlets.
I use gas, but there probably *are* 240 outlets somewhere - I'd still
need an electrician, since those wouldn't be in the garage -- there is
no garage (converted to living space) and running a 240V extension
cord from the stove or dryer areas, out a window, and over to the
parking area doesn't seem like a safe choice, especially if any
insurance people get involved - also would need a pretty heavy cable
to prevent losses on its long trip.
Extension cords for 240v look exactly like the ones for 120v -- just
different connectors so you can't plug them into the wrong outlets. The
size of the wire doesn't change with voltage, since a 240v outlet has
exactly the same voltage with respect to neutral and ground as a 120v
outlet -- there are just two "hot" wires instead of one.
The size of the wire actually depends on the current rating; not the
voltage. A 15-amp cord will use #14 wire, 20-amp is #12, 25-amp is #10,
and a 30-amp cord will use #8 wire. If the cord is especially long, the
wire size can be increased (lower numerical #) to reduce the voltage drop.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Steve Clunn's post on his EV lawn mower prompted me to mention a new EV
at my place. I got a Friendly Robotics RL850 RoboMower.
First impressions: It's a neat toy. The neighbors are more impressed by
it than my other EVs. It's very quiet, but slow. Does a good job on
large rectangular parts of the yard with no obstacles, but misses many
spots when there are obstacles (trees etc.) or narrow, awkward shapes.
It's difficult to use by hand to touch up the spots it misses. Burying
the "electronic fence" wire that keeps it in your yard is a royal pain.
Quality seems OK, but many parts have an overly-cheap toylike feel.
Now for the EV related content: The battery pack is a rectangular box
that has a nice handle and just drops in the top. It contains two 12v
13ah AGM batteries, wired in series with a 30amp fuse. They look exactly
like Hawkers, but have "MK Battery" stickers.
It comes with the usual consumer-grade charger; just a cheap
transformer-rectifier, rated 32vdc, 900ma. But there is a regulator
inside the mower itself that charges at 800ma constant current until
29.5v, then it switches to a constant 27.0v forever.
That's likely to kill the batteries from slow overcharging in a couple
years. Normally, I'd just leave a charger like this unplugged once it is
fully charged and not in use. But the RoboMower has a beeper that
complains if you don't keep it plugged in. Its electronics also draws
27-110ma when not on charge, so it would kill the battery if it sat
idle. The only alternative is to physically remove the battery. I
haven't figured out yet if this causes it to forget important information.
The manual is typical; almost nothing but legalistic safety warnings and
and dumbed-down descriptions that say almost nothing. You won't learn
anything from it about how it works.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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